Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 00:15:31 UTC No. 16456426

>outdated concept of "science"
it wasn't outdated in the 1800s

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 00:38:53 UTC No. 16456445

>>16456398
The original conception of Marxism as laid out in Marx's books absolutely WAS SCIENTIFIC to a T. The problem is that socialism has become so utterly distorted from its founding text that the idea of "scientific socialism" seems like a complete joke

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 01:49:54 UTC No. 16456524

>>16456445
No it wasn't. He ran with Hegels dialectic and just kind of assumed all of history worked like that. There was no expirement to determine the validity of dialectical materialism. Marxism is pseudoscience and always has been.

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 03:09:05 UTC No. 16456597

>>16456524
based and correct pilled

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 03:33:11 UTC No. 16456626

>>16456524
This. Marxism is basically a religious system which instead of sin vs righteousness its Workers vs Capitalists or whatever the fuck and interprets history entirely in this way. Marxists are unserious and have locked themselves into this retarded worldview, and marxism is dead and its useful aspects have already been synthesized

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 03:55:38 UTC No. 16456636

>>16456398
Just post Marx’s retarded proof and get this thread over with

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 06:19:30 UTC No. 16456703

>>16456626
Things are different now then they were during the industrial revolution.

Things are different in the richest captilist countries compared to the poorest.

Greater and lesser degrees of slavery have existed in the past and exist today.

Are any of these true statements

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 06:19:49 UTC No. 16456704

>>16456398
I read a pamphlet once published by some commie organization where they explained what scientific socialism was and they wrote that it means that its good to have an electric grid and power plants and power transmission lines and residential and industrial electricity. Electricity=science=socialism.

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 08:05:56 UTC No. 16456734

"[Scientific socialism] was only used in opposition to utopian socialism, which wants to attach the people to new delusions, instead of limiting its science to the knowledge of the social movement made by the people itself; see my text against Proudhon." - Marx

"So long as the proletariat is not yet sufficiently developed to constitute itself as a class, and consequently so long as the struggle itself of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie has not yet assumed a political character, and the productive forces are not yet sufficiently developed in the bosom of the bourgeoisie itself to enable us to catch a glimpse of the material conditions necessary for the emancipation of the proletariat and for the formation of a new society, these theoreticians are merely utopians who, to meet the wants of the oppressed classes, improvise systems and go in search of a regenerating science. But in the measure that history moves forward, and with it the struggle of the proletariat assumes clearer outlines, they no longer need to seek science in their minds; they have only to take note of what is happening before their eyes and to become its mouthpiece. So long as they look for science and merely make systems, so long as they are at the beginning of the struggle, they see in poverty nothing but poverty, without seeing in it the revolutionary, subversive side, which will overthrow the old society. From this moment, science, which is a product of the historical movement, has associated itself consciously with it, has ceased to be doctrinaire and has become revolutionary." - Marx's text against Proudhon
The word science here is the german word "wissenschaft" which means more of just a collection of knowledge than what is meant by science in the modern english sense.

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:34:24 UTC No. 16457089

>>16456398
>or was Engels mostly talking out of his ass
this

as always when someone proposes socialist propaganda and tries to somehow rationalise it

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 23:46:50 UTC No. 16459037

>>16456398
Didn't Marx leave on of his dead infant children to rot in the back room of his apartment?
1:22:00 Marx was disgusting and made his kids live in a shithole
1:25:00 Marx was a scumbag and raped his maid
1:26:30 Marx shagged his best friend's (Engels) wife and got her pregnant
1:28:58 Marx left his dead daughter's corpse to rot in the apartment
1:36:16 Marx never got a job yet had loads of kids and a maid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwC8WxKMMc&ab_channel=TIKhistory

LOL this is the person leftists worship. This is further evidence that leftism is an ontologically evil work of Satan.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 09:35:36 UTC No. 16459483

>>16456445
>The original conception of Marxism as laid out in Marx's books
No such thing.