Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:23:14 UTC No. 16457686

>>16457683
No, we'll be spacefaring.
We will have to stop pandering to activists first, of course, since that wastes far too much money.

Stop guessing start learning at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:27:11 UTC No. 16457692

>>16457683
Sci-fi fantasy or fairytale.

Pure bs. The radiation will kill you before you make it out the solar system

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:28:15 UTC No. 16457693

>>16457692
If only there were some known way to shield against radiation.

Stop guessing start learning at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:32:25 UTC No. 16457696

>>16457693
Radiation shielding doesn't work 100% retard. The earth protects us from the radiation. Radiation penetrates through material we don't have a good way to protect against it.

Ask yourself why are cancer rates higher from people who live by nuclear power plants?

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:37:34 UTC No. 16457701

How would we solve the distance problem?

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:45:42 UTC No. 16457705

>>16457696
Wrap the ship with the Earth. Problem solved.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:51:44 UTC No. 16457709

>>16457683
Nobody knows the future.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 02:52:56 UTC No. 16457711

>>16457705
The atmospheric shielding around the Earth is sufficient for the distance that we currently are from the Sun. If we were any closer, we would end up like Mercury or Venus. So the question becomes, how can the shielding be amplified as the ship moves through higher concentrations of radiation?

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 03:04:05 UTC No. 16457716

>>16457683
I think we'll be an interplanetary species before the end of the century, maybe even an interstellar species by the end of the millennium... but an interstellar civilization? No. I don't think we're ever going to overcome the limitations imposed by relativity, which means even if we can get ships fast enough to reach the nearest star within the human lifespan (or a few), having any kind of meaningful interaction like trade and real-time cultural exchange and politics and other things you might associate with civilization will never be possible. Within a few tens of thousands of years we may even evolve into distinct species.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 03:08:13 UTC No. 16457720

>>16457683
It would take generational ships to reach other star systems. Not impossible, but social psychology seems like a bigger problem than technology.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 04:00:21 UTC No. 16457756

>>16457711
Don't go closer to higher sources of radiation. Most of the universe is fine for a spaceship wearing an Earth skinsuit.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 08:45:05 UTC No. 16457929

>>16457696
Yeah if technology never improves then maybe you have a point. But, technology does improve and you're retarded

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 08:47:33 UTC No. 16457931

>>16457683
Interplanitary, yes. Inevitably humans will travel to other stars but FTL entirely theroretical.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 09:30:40 UTC No. 16457943

>>16457683
Yes. Our science is only in its' infant stage right now, nobody can't even imagine what kind of technology we will have a century from now, let alone a millennium. People, as always, claim the possible is impossible. But, what do they know? Even some of the greatest of minds were wrong on what's impossible.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 09:59:16 UTC No. 16457959

>>16457683
>a spacefaring civilization
In the solar system yes. Around other stars maybe not unless they find some good planets. The exoplanets discovered so far mostly suck.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 10:30:03 UTC No. 16457984

earth becomes uninhabitable soonish. the sun dies out later. we either become spacefaring or the story ends.

Stop guessing start learning at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 11:01:18 UTC No. 16458016

>>16457984
Wrong. Humanity can't go extinct, humanity may die but we'll live on in God's kingdom. We already know how the world ends from the book of Revelations

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 11:12:02 UTC No. 16458021

They would have to invent more spacefaring tech(other than rockets).

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 11:32:41 UTC No. 16458033

>>16458021
>They
are you an alien?

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 11:34:04 UTC No. 16458035

>>16458033
I don't agree that this IS spacefaring, it's more like failing to properly spacefare.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 11:49:07 UTC No. 16458049

>>16457683
>Do you think humanity will be a spacefaring civilization in the future,
No. Nuclear war will set us back to the stone age.
>or is that just sci-fi bullshit?
Yes.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 12:57:44 UTC No. 16458096

>>16457716
>>16457943
>blocks your path
You can't continue to allow dumb people to outbreed smart people without consequences.
If you want a continuous complex civilization, you need eugenics.
On the bright side, if you fail to impliment eugenics and allow civilization to collapse as it's done many times before, a new civilization will eventually crop up again.

Realistically leftwing ideology is too ingrained in the culture to have a hope of implimenting a eugenics program in this civilizational cycle. We're not going to space long term. Unless Elon gets lucky and puts a self sustaining colony on mars by 2070, perhaps his people will breed differently. But I doubt the current leftist governments will allow him to as we can already see with starship.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:03:12 UTC No. 16458104

>>16458049
>No. Nuclear war will set us back to the stone age.
Human civilization will eventually reach a space-inhabiting stage, but it will take another cycle of civilization or two.
Nuclear war wouldn't even do as you suggest, but pretending it did, it would only take a few tens of thousands of years at most until we reach where we are now again. Meaningless in geological terms.

Nuclear winter is a fabrication spun by communists to protect the USSR from annihilation. All that happens in a nuclear war is a significant portion of the population are killed and major industry is destroyed. A major economic disaster yes, but not a world ending event.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:08:26 UTC No. 16458111

>>16457683
>Do you think humanity will be a spacefaring civilization in the future,
No. Giving infinite welfare to refugees and niggers will send us back to the stone age.
>or is that just sci-fi bullshit?
It is physically possible and anything physically possible can be achieved.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:10:14 UTC No. 16458115

>>16457692
>DuH rAdIaTiOn

Why do fuckwits like this always think their superficial comments are worthwhile?

Yeah, mate, you are so smart, all those idiot engineers and scientists didn't think about the damn radiation! It's over!

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:21:42 UTC No. 16458130

>>16457683
You know how we were going to space then we just started spending money on welfare instead? Well that already happened and when there are no more white people no one will ever go to deep space. The world will be plunged into darkness.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:28:51 UTC No. 16458136

>>16458096
Like I said, we’ll see sustainable human populations on other planets within this century, at a bare minimum we’re going to get out and get off world before Earth gets too retarded, so I’m not worried about that.

But any chance of a Star Trek style interstellar civilization where people are visiting other systems, trading spice and wares, and maintaining any kind of cohesive diplomatic relationships is DOA.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:35:29 UTC No. 16458145

>>16458021
Imagine, you've got long and heavy rope, in 0g, you pull the rope, rope moves towards you, and you move towards rope.

Now you make rope a loop and climb forever, moving, why it wouldn't work?

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 14:49:04 UTC No. 16458243

>>16457696
>Ask yourself why are cancer rates higher from people who live by nuclear power plants?
Ask yourself why people can live by nuclear plants and not die instantly.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 14:51:36 UTC No. 16458245

>>16458145
A loop would have infinite length and therefore take infinite time to climb.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 14:55:52 UTC No. 16458249

>>16458245
Yes, but you'll move forward...

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 15:02:41 UTC No. 16458254

>>16457696
Well, so you're saying a few microTesla field is protecting us on earth? Why can't we get few tesla field on spaceship, that would protect us?

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 15:10:26 UTC No. 16458262

>>16457683
As others have said, We'd need to come together as a species to partake in any of that. Right now a considerable amount of time, money and manpower go into supporting those that are... "less fortunate" when all of those resources could be spent on advancing technology forward to the point we could be a spacefaring civilization. I don't see much chance of it happening anytime soon unfortunately.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 18:23:57 UTC No. 16458599

>>16457683
Humanity has been spacefaring for a long time, we are just a small subset of the species.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 19:12:38 UTC No. 16458715

>>16457696
>Radiation shielding doesn't work 100% retard.
>But on Earth, there is no radiation at all. It is 100% shielded. None gets down here.
I can't tell if you're larping or you're really this stupid. On the off chance that you're just stupid, I will point out that we don't NEED the shielding to stop 100% radiation. We just need it to stop enough so that it's like here on Earth.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 19:27:49 UTC No. 16458735

i see two paths for humanity

>the hard path
>we focus on space exploration and colonization
>stay in augmented human form and conquer the galaxy

>the easy path
>we stay on earth, maybe colonize the moon
>escape into virtual reality, hiding from the galaxy

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 19:49:02 UTC No. 16458763

>>16458735
A VR distraction for the unintelligent masses will likely be necessary while the intelligentsia continues to push technology and their own development.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 20:24:33 UTC No. 16458809

>>16458735
We will take the easy path but ultimately there will always be people with the frontier spirit

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 20:43:36 UTC No. 16458835

>>16457683
this civilization will end most likely before 2050 and you fantasize about a future in space.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:00:48 UTC No. 16458921

>>16457683
Humans likely won't get to see other star systems but robots might. And if we are careless enough we may release a Von Neumann probe swarm to consume the Galaxy as the final shitpost of our shitty civilization.

Self replicating Von Neumann probes could colonize the whole Galaxy in a relatively short timespan due to exponential growth but at that point it would be basically an interstellar existential threat / Galaxy-extinction event.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:06:08 UTC No. 16458930

>>16457683
>build interstellar probe from the atomic level on up with nanotech
>this probe is composed of atomically-reinforced radiation shielding and machine "cells", designed to both compute and "digest" matter to create copies of itself
>its "cells" are infinitely tougher, more flexible and smaller than living cells and can also create organic cells
>interstellar probe is only milligrams in mass...an artificial tardigrade, but a million times tougher and with thrusters instead of legs
>use enormous EM accelerator to launch several thousand of these (maybe more, maybe less) at nearby star (or stars)
>leaves solar system at an appreciable percentage of light speed
>uses a tiny store of antimatter to decelerate (again, in the milligrams, due to its tiny size)
>upon reaching nearby star, first mission is to acquire an asteroid in target star's planetary system and begin replicating nanobot assemblers by "eating" it
>then build a transmitter and establish data link to "home"
>as well as another EM accelerator and more duplicates of itself to launch at more stars (a la Von Neumann)
>it will never be necessary to send more than one successful probe...all it needs to "build" another civilization around the target star (whether its biological, or more likely, virtual...this would be a Matrioshka Brain) is information from the data link to "home"
>galaxy and universe eventually enveloped by this machine "organism", at a significant percentage of light speed, or something faster, it that's at all possible

Should be possible in ~100 years, definitely 1000. Galaxy "conquered" in less than a million years. If it's scientifically possible, it's eventually doable.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:11:23 UTC No. 16458936

>>16458930
I wonder if there are alien civilizations scanning the ether to find civilizations attempting to do this shit and wiping them out.

Because it would be basically, like I said before >>16458921, a Galaxy-extinction event.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:12:44 UTC No. 16458938

>>16457696
this anon knows. radiation is some bullshit

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:16:17 UTC No. 16458941

>>16458096
>blocks YOUR path
picrel was invented at the "depths" of the "Dark Ages" and resulted in alloys the Romans could only dream about. They didn't know shit about correctly implementing water wheels, either. And a Viking "barbarian" would have sailed rings around their best sailors, who were all trapped in a glorified lake called the Mediterranean while they actually crossed the Atlantic.

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:21:42 UTC No. 16458945

>>16457696
your own piss bag is enough to shield against radiation

Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:30:12 UTC No. 16458953

>>16458936
"Three Body Problem" premise is bullshit because they would've wiped us out when a spear was our cutting edge weapon. Most likely solution to the Fermi paradox is that a sufficiently advanced civilization is able to process and encode information with energy itself and turns stars and possibly black holes into Matrioshka Brains. Red dwarves, with their trillion year lifespan, would be ideal for this.

At this point, a civilization would be more cooperative than competitive, because there's a finite amount of knowledge to process and thus a finite number of "individuals" in such a society...is two trillion individuals really better than one? Sharing is much less energy intensive than pointless conquest. A "federation" would arise, communicating on a narrow band of laser light or an even less detectable method...the less energy used, the better. The universe would appear silent and "dead" but could in fact be teeming with civilizations in silent alliance, quietly watching and waiting for primitive societies to stop lobbing rocks and missiles at themselves and making the leap into space.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 09:40:32 UTC No. 16459486

>>16457683
No, and here's why

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 10:49:26 UTC No. 16459526

>>16459486
if white people de-suburbanized this would disappear

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 12:23:42 UTC No. 16459573

>>16458096
Does eugenics also means kill? I'm a short blackcel and I know my genes are inferior but I don't want to necessarily die just yet, will mandatory snipping suffice?

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 14:48:46 UTC No. 16459684

>>16457683
We already are. We got dumped here and the others went forward

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:28:54 UTC No. 16459800

>>16459526
If ________, white people would de-suburbanize.

Please fill in the blank.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 19:00:17 UTC No. 16459882

>>16459800
I know what you're thinking, but I'm thinking about money

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 19:04:33 UTC No. 16459888

>>16457683
we're not gonna make it

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 19:15:46 UTC No. 16459903

>>16458735
the "hard" path is ultimately pointless and rooted in the views of our past
the "easy" path is the path to species wide enlightenment

Wanting to "conquer" a barren galaxy is like a Victorian businessman opening a space agency so he can mine coal in space. Fucking why? You're not going to find what you're looking for anyways.

>>16458941
That shit was invented in like 400 B.C. in China

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 19:32:51 UTC No. 16459932

>>16459882
You don't know what I'm thinking and I don't know what you're thinking. "about money" could mean anything. I want to know what would start the causative chain from X to white people de-suburbanizing to this disappearing. They all just realize it and do it? There has to be a catalyst for change.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 19:35:12 UTC No. 16459937

>>16457683
It will be all reality TV.

On Earth there will Space Academies where they select the most gullible retards to go on "space missions"

Similar to the show "space cadets"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wjPxl1DAE

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 19:55:47 UTC No. 16459963

>>16459888
What this graph doesn't say is ho 75% of them won't get past the age of 2 because of water and food shortage over there. And if they do, it'll be to die at 16 in local wars regarding said-water and food.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 23:08:55 UTC No. 16460195

>>16457683
you can send information faster than physical objects.
therefore, future humans will be robots but you'll be able to upload your mind into a robot body, effectively controlling them.
the new currency will be adaptable algorithms rather than memories. memories will be shared so that the algorithms shall be able to adapt faster.
personalities will no longer exist because personalities are simply the expression of algorithms under the pressure of differing memories.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 23:33:00 UTC No. 16460219

Hello thare, I herd u wanted robots bodies

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 23:49:59 UTC No. 16460236

>>16457683
If you asked me if your son was going to be an astronaut but all he does is party and kill other animals and fight with his brothers I'd tell you I'd be surprised to see him alive in ten years

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 23:51:36 UTC No. 16460238

>>16458945
piss bag suits are a viable option. constantly expandable too. a non-draining still suit solution for outer space.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 23:53:17 UTC No. 16460242

>>16459888
what % of the body i the brain by weight

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 00:21:33 UTC No. 16460277

>>16460219
>>16458735
troonhumanists (which is the correct term for transhumanists) are the bane of any futurist thread. The discussions have too many parallels with arguing against trannies. They're vacuous cattle with non-adaptive beliefs. Ted K is right.

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 01:14:34 UTC No. 16460352

>>16459888
this isn't a problem if they stay in their countries. lets hope they get their shit together.
>>16459963
>What this graph doesn't say is ho 75% of them won't get past the age of 2 because of water and food shortage over there. And if they do, it'll be to die at 16 in local wars regarding said-water and food.
isnt that only a problem in LDCs and even then only in the worst places there?
Also the TFR data from sub sahara africa is probably unreliable because of political instability, so it could be lower or higher. i heard that the TFR in nigeria is probably extravegated because christians and muslims are manipulating numbers to make the other look more of a thread to their existence.

in general graphs like these have a bad case of "if current trends continue".

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 07:07:56 UTC No. 16460633

>>16460277
the future is troon, incell >:)

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:05:07 UTC No. 16460974

Interplanetary is not as far fetched as one might think. But going to a different galaxy would be so difficult and take so long I'd say hell no. But I can see humans terraforming mars and other planets and trying to start colonies there.

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:21:02 UTC No. 16461185

>>16457683
It's not even sci-fi bullshit. It's straight up fantasy bullshit. Humanity will be lucky to last til the end of the century.

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:25:22 UTC No. 16461192

>>16457709
I do. Not only are you not going to space, you're not going to survive. This is extremely fucking obvious to anyone with a room temperature IQ. Even your own scientists figured this out in the 70s, and what was your species' reaction? To retreat further into bullshit fantasy and ignore all the accumulating existential problems.

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:45:17 UTC No. 16461227

>>16461192
>figured this out in the 70s
whaddaya mean?

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:58:22 UTC No. 16461246

>>16461192
is this true?

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 23:27:14 UTC No. 16461533

>>16458930
>nanotech
Stopped reading there.

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 23:37:51 UTC No. 16461548

humanity will never expand because there is literally nothing out there
what if there were a universe and no one wanted to see it?

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 09:42:03 UTC No. 16461929

>>16457692
Even if you believe that you could still eventually go into space after gene edits with some of those radiophilic shrooms. Or just shielding on the ship...

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:58:27 UTC No. 16461954

>>16458096

Retards push this because they don't know shit about science and the length of time evolutionary selection happens over.

Societies rise and fall because when the people who built it die out, the inheritors find themselves in a cargo cult. It's not because they are weak or soft, it's because nobody knows how to use the shit their fathers and grandfathers built. It has happened many times over the centuries but it has nothing to do with evolution or genetics. It is purely because of our inadequate methods of teaching the next generations and instructing them how to continue the society we built.

With the Romans, it was advanced engineering and statecraft. Once that knowledge started to slip out of society, the empire was doomed. With our modern society, it's the tangled, complex web of sanctification and digital economics that nobody alive today fully understands any more- The Market merely does what it does and we try our best to survive it. Economists are just voodoo soothsayers, the truth is some retarded speculation bubble bullshit will be the thing that ends modern civilisation.

However, that's not the end of it: The reason we suck at teaching and passing on that knowledge is because we don't actually understand what we are doing ourselves, we entirely rely on specialisation, and the whole coming together from the tiny individual units. We are not a hivemind, and the mechanisms that a strong society creates are too complex for any single individual to fully understand. The hard limiting factor on human intelligence and progress is our individuality and the preservation of knowledge.

We will probably colonise Mars and maybe some moons, but we will never unite strongly enough to achieve interstellar travel.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 14:20:35 UTC No. 16462118

>>16461192
The fact that you were born means we already failed (doomsday argument)

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 14:51:00 UTC No. 16462156

>>16457683
not a chance, you think the Jews and niggers will just let us escape them?

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 14:53:30 UTC No. 16462162

>>16461548
Dumbass take. With how many stars there are there are tons of worlds with life out there.

Only we'll never get there because it's physically impossible.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 15:15:19 UTC No. 16462195

>>16462162
it's not physically impossible (you can use nukes) it's just impractical :3

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 15:32:32 UTC No. 16462220

>>16457696
yes and that is because MAMMALS lost the gene that repairs DNA damage due to UV radiation because we lived as marsupials for fucking eons.......

IMAGINE WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN..........

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 15:48:38 UTC No. 16462244

>>16462162
there isn't life out there, we are alone. turns out reality isn't like the cool scifi marvel flicks you watch

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:14:10 UTC No. 16462269

>>16462162
drake equation and Fermi paradox says otherwise.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:31:36 UTC No. 16462307

>>16461954
we can always just ask chatgpt what to do

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 01:26:42 UTC No. 16462963

>>16461533
>lowers his smartphone and lets out a hearty laugh
>doesn't realize he's got a handful of early "nanotech" in the palm of his hand

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 01:32:36 UTC No. 16462966

>>16459903
>That shit was invented in like 400 B.C. in China

>existed in the BC era in Asia
>despite the Silk Route, Rome never even used them
>but we're supposed to believe it was a "setback" when Rome fell
Thanks for underscoring my point.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 08:40:40 UTC No. 16463293

>>16458104
Underrated post.

I would add that all papers with modern simulations on this topic failed to produce these "nuclear winter" effects. It's nonsense. That is communist nonsense I always suspected, but there were Western academics also spouting this horseshit. The reason commies benefit more is because they fear the reality that they would outright lose a nuclear exchange due to their inferior delivery capabilities and high centralisation of urban industry relative to other nuclear powers.

A nuclear exchange in reality would not be some world ending event. Maybe highly urbanised Russia would end, maybe a few Euro urban centers and DC gets nuke. That would not even dent the industrial capacity of those nations. Even if you lived in a capital city that got nuked you would probably survive if you lived in the suburbs.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 08:45:21 UTC No. 16463297

>>16459903
>That shit was invented in like 400 B.C. in China
Wrong. China didn't have steel until the early modern period when they got it from Europeans.

You're confusing steel with cast iron. The point of a blast furnace is not to produce cast iron, but to produce steel continuously (only Europeans invented this).

Cast iron is for brittle, weak things likes pots and pans. Not plate armour, construction material and guns.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 16:13:55 UTC No. 16463709

>>16457683
>spacefaring civilization
Define this.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 16:51:15 UTC No. 16463767

>>16460277
>Ted K is right.
That's that "genius" whose ideas were so shit and irrelevant he had to start a bombing campaign just to get published *anywhere*, right?

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 17:08:56 UTC No. 16463792

>>16463709
A civilization capable of
>sending people to and from outer space (preferably to other planets) on a vast scale
>building/assembling structures in space
>supporting humans living in space (be it on space stations or colonies on celestial bodies) indefinitely

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 17:52:48 UTC No. 16463845

>>16457696
>why are cancer rates higher from people who live by nuclear power plants?
they're not, unless you mean Chernobyl.
it is unfortunate that retards like you with completely counterfactual opinions are allowed a vote.

🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 18:59:35 UTC No. 16463933

>>16463767
>image obviously saved from the archive to appear as "le oldfag"
>mainstream view
oh hi shill.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:18:09 UTC No. 16464038

>>16457716
We still can have meaningful interaction with each other through religion, as religion has been proven to be able to survive over thousands of years

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:24:17 UTC No. 16464046

>>16458145
but this is just a thought experiment, right?
There is no reason to assume we cold actually create in real world

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:28:38 UTC No. 16464049

>>16459903
I really like your way of thinking. It hasn't occured to me that the desire to conquer the univers might be a projection from our imperialist past

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 01:27:07 UTC No. 16464317

oh how about that, weird huh. delete my post but not his? I wonder why that is.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 02:36:30 UTC No. 16464355

we could do it now
there's nothing stopping us but will
generation ships and colonies

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:15:06 UTC No. 16464843

>>16457683
I'm optimistic, we are meant to conquer the stars

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:37:53 UTC No. 16464849

>>16457683
There is so much space in solar system it's hard to believe we'll need more.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:46:33 UTC No. 16464853

>>16464849
Where the heck am I suppose to put my subspace?

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:48:59 UTC No. 16464855

>>16457683
It's complete sci-fi bullshit, obviously.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:49:48 UTC No. 16464856

>>16457683
I think it's doable
Soientists say they can make 4 hours wake + 48 hour sleep so 80 years journey would feel like 6 years.
You can go to alpha centauri at .05c
And then from there you hop the next habitable star system and so on.
Assuming you find earth like planet that is. So far jwst havent found a single oxigen atmosphere planet. Meaning rare earth hypothesis was true.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:51:17 UTC No. 16464859

>>16464856
>You can go to alpha centauri at .05c
Just take your meds

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:52:48 UTC No. 16464860

>>16464859
where we're going there are no meds

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:56:26 UTC No. 16464864

>>16464860
I wish space cultists would just launch themselves out of the planet

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:56:57 UTC No. 16464865

If inventions are being withheld like now,no we are not going anywhere.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:58:34 UTC No. 16464869

>>16464864
That's the idea

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:00:07 UTC No. 16464872

>>16464865
Delusional.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:51:24 UTC No. 16464910

>>16457683
No.
The US election is an example of why.

Everyone who travels into space needs to be intelligent and well educated to do so safely without accidently asphyxiating, exploding or frying themselves like a piece of bacon or somehow fucking everything up for everyone else.

Space missions are too dangerous for a species that hasn't evolved there if we have to support liabilities that are going to be born with IOs low enough to press the big 'DO NOT PRESS' decompression buttons, or get in stupid arguments over petty BS and start a war in space and try to take over technology they don't understand. On earth, those were the people who voted for Trump, still think the earth is flat, buy healing crystals, dropped out of high school. Could you imagine having to deal with those people on a space ship chimping out over dumb shit?

No, humanity can barely survive on earth. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a nuclear weapon used in war somewhere in the next 4 years.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:04:21 UTC No. 16464924

fags

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 19:16:08 UTC No. 16465254

>>16464910
g8 b8 m8 etc

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 20:30:11 UTC No. 16465327

>>16464910
Also just needlessly indecisive, flip flopping between incompatible policies because the electorate is too impatient and retarded to see anything through to completion. Pulling the rug out from under infrastructure programs that are half complete, backstabbing allies, all this shit proves that democracy is unsustainable.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 23:43:33 UTC No. 16466589

unless we figure out a new system of propulsion rather than just brute forcing our way through the atmosphere with fossil fuels, we're fucked

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 09:22:03 UTC No. 16466964

>>16461954
>With the Romans, it was advanced engineering and statecraft. Once that knowledge started to slip out of society
How does knowledge slip out?
Following recipes doesnt work but an engineer that works in projects quickly learns from nature how things actually work. Facing real problems teaches anyone anything they didnt learn from a teacher
Cargo cult is still a thing, sometimes you get forced to do things you know are dumb because legal code and social pressure so i guess thats what you mean

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 09:41:56 UTC No. 16466976

>>16461246
This one captures the true essence.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 09:43:28 UTC No. 16466977

>>16457683
No because we won't let Elon take us to the stars. We'll forever be trapped on this rock because the one person in all of time who could save us is ignored and treated like a joke instead of the visionary savior that he is.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 10:53:39 UTC No. 16466998

>>16461192
Everyone knows about Malthus but hes irrelevant because the population is crashing on its own and renewable and/or nuclear energy fixes all resource problems

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 10:54:39 UTC No. 16466999

>>16466977
>take us to the stars
mars isnt the stars nor a stepping stone to the stars.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 11:26:31 UTC No. 16467012

>>16457696
>Places very large, very powerful electromagnet on the ship
>This beauty is more powerful than Earth's magnetic field, but much smaller
>It covers the entire ship, and protects it better than Earth's weak magnetic field
Would you look at that, it looks like we solved that problem very quickly and efficiently.
You lack imagination, anon, and Earth's magnetic field is not special in any way.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 11:27:52 UTC No. 16467013

>>16462220
>MAMMALS lost the gene that repairs DNA damage
Then we should be genetically engineering that back into ourselves.
Why aren't we doing it yet, are we retarded?

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 11:41:19 UTC No. 16467027

>>16466589
nuclear salt water rocket

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 12:01:18 UTC No. 16467037

>>16457683
No but not because interstellar travel itself is sci-fi bullshit. What is sci-fi bullshit (but a necessity from the perspective of making a relatable/comprehensible story) is that happening while humans are still in charge. We are on the course of getting artificial superintelligence way before we are visiting other stars. ASI most likely will mean human extinction. Even if we somehow manage to coordinate and prevent the creation of ASI, the other alternative will be transhumanism. But there again competitive pressures if nothing else will force people to turn themselves into something unrecognizable, so the end result is the same: interstellar colonization will be done basically by a bunch of aliens from the perspective of current humans, though they will be aliens that have in one way or other originated from us.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 12:20:31 UTC No. 16467050

>>16467012
The size of the magnetic field is just as important as the strength. A bit of deflection over a long distance works is just as effective. An electromagnet would create a powerful field but not one that would extend tens of thousands of kilometers

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:19:23 UTC No. 16467108

>>16457683

The most efficient way to colonize the universe is not by using spaceships. It is by sending self-replicating drones carrying embryos or capability to 3D print them. Launch them with mass drivers and lasers, and send them to every reachable star and galaxy. Depending on how much energy you can produce you can end up with millions of galaxies colonized by these probes.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 22:56:33 UTC No. 16467666

>>16466977
Stop writing gay shit and take a bath.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 23:10:18 UTC No. 16467678

why think about travel? musk is doing the right thing and the first thing we should do is getting launch cost down massively. next we should build a real space station. big rotating one with tourism and shit. from there we can build production capabilities on moon.
the final real goal would be terraforming mars.

ultimately, life will spread to other planets. it is riding on astroids to the stars as we speak. but if we will ever reach the stars is uncertain at best.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 23:12:31 UTC No. 16467682

No we'll unlock teleportation instead

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 23:16:37 UTC No. 16467690

>>16457683
space gives me the ick

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 03:10:05 UTC No. 16467910

>>16461954
>we will never unite strongly enough to achieve _______
This never makes sense. Why would the minimum required effort happen to be exactly all of human civilization? Are the north sentinelese involved? Dumbass

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 11:02:14 UTC No. 16468138

>>16463792
So remaining in our solar system.
Difficult and beyond our current level of technology but no reason to think it's not possible.
Usually in scifi it's about colonizing other solar systems, and speed of light be damned.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 11:18:08 UTC No. 16468154

>>16467910
>Why would the minimum required effort happen to be exactly all of human civilization?
I estimated that to create and support a mars base in a non-joke form would require something like 0.1% to 0.5% of Earths GDP on a continuous basis depending on how big of a base we are talking about, you'd have to send them several tens of tons of materials every day. Mostly machinery and machinery parts.
A total economic sink BTW, but doable

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 11:53:21 UTC No. 16468182

>>16458735
>i see two paths for humanity
So basically the only choice is between self-destruction and eternal slavery?

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 12:28:02 UTC No. 16468221

>>16457683
We'll be interplanetary by the end of this century let alone the distant future. We'll be the forerunners for all alien species in the galaxy.
And the best part is that every solar system will be for the taking. You don't like the current system, you can sail on a ship and cryosleep your way to the new world you intend to colonize. Humanity won't be one cohesive civilization but our genes will spread all over.
>>16467108
I accept transhumanism but drone colonization is pointless and unacceptable. Exploration has an inherent human factor in it. A machine doesn't need or want to know what lies out there, it's soulless by definition

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 13:44:50 UTC No. 16468258

>>16461954
>but we will never unite strongly enough to achieve interstellar travel.
only whites are faustian. the rest is only in our way. "uniting" just holds us back.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 00:38:14 UTC No. 16470173

>>16467678
>the final real goal would be terraforming mars.
shouldn't the final goal be a Dyson swarm?

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 14:37:00 UTC No. 16470787

>>16470173
baby steps. who knows what will be possible once we have a decent space station and maybe astroid mining and space factories

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 15:24:16 UTC No. 16470841

>>16467108
On one end a society not corrupted by malbehaviors would be awesome.

On the other it'd be sociietes taught by robots.