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Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 11:46:18 UTC No. 16460812
Is evolutiona finally proven to be true, or is it still a theory?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 11:48:55 UTC No. 16460814
>>16460813
who?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:51:39 UTC No. 16461026
>>16460812
nope, still a theory
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 16:07:59 UTC No. 16461052
>>16460812
It's a theory that is extremely plausible, it is impossible to confirm evolution since that would require us to literally go back in time and monitor the life and genome of every single organism. Evolution cannot be proven, but there is evidence that supports this theory.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 16:41:11 UTC No. 16461090
>>16461052
We demonstrate it all the time with fast-lived organisms like bacteria, slime molds, fruit flies, etc. When placed under ecological stresses physical traits that make future generations incrementally more suited to living under those stresses are statistically more likely to be passed on than traits which make them less suited.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:15:25 UTC No. 16461266
>>16461090
Lol, that's not evolution, That's a mutation
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:26:30 UTC No. 16461278
>>16461266
What do you think causes evolution
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:49:41 UTC No. 16461293
>>16461290
Creationists HATE chromosome 2.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:55:28 UTC No. 16461297
>>16461290
The many similarities between bacteria and mitochondria/plastids is also pretty good evidence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sym
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:58:33 UTC No. 16461306
>>16461293
They also hate endogenous retroviruses
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/End
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 20:42:28 UTC No. 16461373
>>16460812
Science is never proven. Proofs are for math only.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:19:33 UTC No. 16461404
>>16460812
>"still a theory?"
People misuse the word "theory" in day to day talk to mean "guess"
In science an explanation for something is called theory
Special/General theory of relativity? both confirmed with observation and yet "is still a theory"
Atomic theory, Molecular theory, Germ theory etc.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 21:26:07 UTC No. 16461420
>>16461404
Only creationists do this and they only do it with the theory of evolution. They don't seem to have problems with gravity or electromagnetism.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:10:37 UTC No. 16461940
>>16460812
its unproven and not really real
Stabilization theory is more plausible
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:08:21 UTC No. 16462353
>>16461266
>organism changes over several generations
>THAT'S NOT EVOLUTION, THAT'S JUST MUTATION
>organism changes over several hundred generations
>THAT'S NOT EVOLUTION, THAT'S JUST GENETIC DRIFT
>organism changes over several thousand generations
>THAT'S NOT EVOLUTION, THAT'S JUST MICROEVOLUTION
>organism changes over several million generations
>THAT'S NOT EVOLUTION, YOU HAVEN'T OBSERVED THAT HAPPEN IN REAL TIME!
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 23:20:12 UTC No. 16462839
If evolution isn't real, then genetics aren't real. We know that genes exist and have measured their effects, and get better at doing so all the time, so evolution (adaptation combined with successful genes spreading further) is an obvious conclusion.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:19:15 UTC No. 16463199
>>16461090
That's simply the allele frequency changing due to selective pressure. In other words the selection process is working with genetic material that was already present from the very beginning. Evolution implies new genetic material getting created for the first time. Evolutionists claim that the mechanism that drives this creation of new material is mutation of the nucleotides during the replication process. However mutations have never been shown to be beneficial. Mutations are always neutral or deleterious. Neutral because there is a redundancy built in. But deleterious because a corrupted nucleotide base pair is going to encode the wrong amino acid if redundancy does not bail it out. There is no process by which the wrong amino acid will some how lead to a brand new gene, no less a brand new gene that could be beneficial to survival.
Besides, DNA encodes amino acids. That’s it. DNA does not encode morphology or structure. No where in DNA is the shape of somebody’s bicep. Only the proteins which are used in muscle tissue is encoded in DNA. So the entire discussion isn’t even worth having. Humans and cats share 90% of our DNA. Why? Because we’re built mostly out of the same exact type of proteins.
>>16461278
certainly not mutation
>>16462839
>If evolution isn't real, then genetics aren't real
non-sequitor
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:43:32 UTC No. 16463210
>>16463199
First of all, learn to format and stop reddit spacing.
>mutations are always neutral or deletions
This is false, you can find studies where e. coli become able to digest and process chemicals they weren't able to before. Totally novel mutation, never before seen, and it evolved in the lab within one study's lifetime.
Your thoughts on this purely beneficial mutation?
And to put it in perspective, it'd be like if your grandpa literally couldn't eat apples at all, and then your grandson can eat apples. It's literally an entirely new food for the bacteria they've never had access to before.
There's also the nylon eating bacteria, nylon literally didn't exist until we created it halfway into the last century. Totally novel, never before seen.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 09:03:46 UTC No. 16463308
>>16460812
Evolution is a fact, and it is as true as the fact that humans were created by God himself using his DNA and the DNA of a creature that lived on this planet.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 09:30:35 UTC No. 16463321
>>16461420
>They don't seem to have problems with gravity
Try telling that to a flat earther
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:09:33 UTC No. 16464150
>>16463199
>However mutations have never been shown to be beneficial. Mutations are always neutral or deleterious
Except for sickle cell in places with high malaria presence, cane toad toxin resistance in monitors, melanism in sea snakes making them pollution resistant, antibiotic resistance in bacteria, the appearance of nylon digesting enzymes in lab microbe cultures, etc
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:12:20 UTC No. 16464154