🧵 Gifted Education Is Fundamentally Flawed
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 15:38:16 UTC No. 16462230
Some kids are more intelligent than others. Not everyone has the same IQ. If you don't recognize this, you're either psychotic or retarded.
Anyway, you could have a kid with a legitimate 145 IQ in let's say 3rd grade, and it would be possible for the teachers to not recognize that he's clearly gifted. Remember that the average elementary school teacher isn't that bright to begin with. Some of them don't know that Georgia is a country. Some high school teachers don't even know what proper English punctuation looks like. Teachers aren't that smart. This kid could be averaging 97 on all the tests, getting scores of between 95 and 100 on nearly every exam, but this kid could still easily fail some classes because he just refuses to do any of the homework. The homework would take him between 1 to 2 hours to complete every day, and he doesn't want to waste his time on stupid bullshit. This kid could know how to build a computer from spare parts, understanding everything about compatibility and bottlenecks, even knowing a bit of real programming at the age of 8, and be particularly articulate when speaking for his age, and the teachers would still think he's dumb because his grades aren't that high.
Also, for the tests, his test average might not actually be that high. It's common in elementary school for teachers to take off points if you don't show your work, and a genius kid in third grade could potentially be stubborn and simply refuse to show his work, but this doesn't mean he's not a genius kid who should be in much more advanced classes.
The solution to this would be to have all the students take a special test to see their academic level and intelligence, and if they score particularly high, they should be placed in gifted classes, regardless of what their grades are.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 15:39:57 UTC No. 16462234
>>16462230
>and a genius kid in third grade could potentially be stubborn and simply refuse to show his work
Also probably because he's doing everything mentally. Nobody wants to show their work for some common core bullshit if they solve the problem within a few seconds in their head. It's still smart to mathematically verify your answer before you move onto the next problem, but this way of thinking is too much to expect from an 8-year-old.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:15:50 UTC No. 16462272
>>16462230
Those are flaws with public education in general
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:26:20 UTC No. 16462295
>>16462272
I grew up attending a private Catholic school, and it was the same bullshit. I got held back in PRESCHOOL for some stupid reasons. I believe it was legal, because preschool is technically still school. For that private school, you had to go through their preschool first. Anyway, I remember the math being so easy, but I still didn't get good grades, because I often didn't do the homework or show my work on tests and quizzes. I was a bit of a stubborn kid, but they really should've put me in at least some more advanced math classes.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:28:22 UTC No. 16462299
>>16462230
Ouch fuck, the smart kids are marginalized community now.
Stop guessing start learning at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:57:56 UTC No. 16462339
>>16462230
Isnt intelligence just really someone having more information and knowledge than others.
If we start humans over at this moment and burn all books and knowledge. Everyone would become pretty clueless about alot of things.
Knowledge is just passed on through writing most things were discovered by accident.
Even electromagnetism
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:01:57 UTC No. 16462342
>>16462339
>Isnt intelligence just really someone having more information and knowledge than others.
That's probably how the word used to be used, but in recent history, it's been used to refer to how fast someone can think. If you can process information more quickly and more accurately, you're more intelligent.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:02:22 UTC No. 16462343
>>16462230
>The solution to this would be to have all the students take a special test to see their academic level and intelligence, and if they score particularly high, they should be placed in gifted classes, regardless of what their grades are.
This is how it used to work in America, and presumably how it still does in other countries
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:06:26 UTC No. 16462351
>>16462343
>This is how it used to work in America
How did it work in America, and when did it change?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:44:49 UTC No. 16462402
>>16462351
I'm an early millennial that entered elementary school around 1990. I took some kind of test in kindergarten and got in a gifted and talented elementary school. Within that school I was lazy and never did any homework, but they kept putting me in math classes a couple grades ahead presumably based on my standardized test scores. When I got to high school I still did no homework but I was able to enroll in college prep classes.
I assumed it still worked like this, but if OP is correct and it does not, presumably this started to happen sometime after the "no child left behind" policy of the Bush administration in the early 2000s.
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:46:45 UTC No. 16462407
>>16462402
>I assumed it still worked like this, but if OP is correct and it does not, presumably this started to happen sometime after the "no child left behind" policy of the Bush administration in the early 2000s.
I'm OP, and I was born in 2000. My school, which was a private Catholic school, had no gifted programs or tests for those.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:48:22 UTC No. 16462412
>>16462402
>I assumed it still worked like this, but if OP is correct and it does not, presumably this started to happen sometime after the "no child left behind" policy of the Bush administration in the early 2000s.
I'm OP, and I was born in 2000. My school, which was a private Catholic school, had no gifted programs or tests for those. And it was a big school, so not some small school for only a few dozen students.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:55:57 UTC No. 16462422
>>16462230
All education should be personalized and a 1-on-1 dynamic.
>but how do we get enough teachers?
It should be expected of most people to spend time passing on knowledge to the next generation.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:57:53 UTC No. 16462426
>>16462422
>All education should be personalized and a 1-on-1 dynamic.
This would certainly be the ideal, but it's not practical.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:06:04 UTC No. 16462442
>>16462299
All of the technology of the last few hundred years that shapes every aspect of the world and our lives was imagined and realized by the top percentile of intelligence in humanity and then shared with the rest of the bell curve. Now all the morons dragged kicking and screaming into a complex world beyond their meager comprehension are exerting their superior numbers to enact tyranny of the majority over the bright.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:25:17 UTC No. 16462464
>>16462442
I understand, I don't want to brag, but I have like 99% percentile verbal memory, they prescribed me pills, so "people wouldn't look so dumb to me", (never argue with idiot, they'll brag you down to their level and beat you with experience), and now I have only like 85% verbal memory percentile. So...
If somebody guided me trough development and early stages of adulthood, instead of prescribing me pill that shrink prefrontal cortex, I could be top of the toppest.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:35:20 UTC No. 16462476
>>16462230
Who cares if this person isn't motivated enough to do anything good with his life.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:40:47 UTC No. 16462486
>>16462476
The point is this kid doesn't want to waste his time doing tons of homework for a topic he fully understood after being instructed one time by his teacher. He already learned the topic in how long it took the teacher to introduce it. He doesn't need to waste hours of his time doing mind-numbing homework that sucks all the energy out of him. He doesn't want to show his work on math problems that took just a few seconds to solve mentally. I even remember my dad getting pissed off if I had to use pen and paper or a calculator to verify my answer, so how I was raised likely played into this mentality, but smarter kids shouldn't needlessly be held back like this. I didn't have an IQ of 145 like the kid in this example, although I did know how a computer works and how to build one when I was 12, which is pretty early. I wish I got into programming back then.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:46:15 UTC No. 16462491
>>16462476
Everything about you is wrong and does not fit this world. You will never belong and everyone will look at you like a freak. They may have utility for you, but there is an aspect to you that is superior to them and that scares them.
Now imagine every aspect of reality yelling that fact at you from the time you are old enough to perceive it and you'll understand why there's no motivation to throw pearls before swine.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 19:29:20 UTC No. 16462545
>>16462230
>The solution to this would be to have all the students take a special test to see their academic level and intelligence, and if they score particularly high, they should be placed in gifted classes, regardless of what their grades are.
I didn't know whether things have changed (I guess they have because nearly everything in this country has gotten worse) but when I was in middle school and took algebra I got nearly 100 percent on every assignment so the school had me take some sort of IQ test. I dunno what I scored on it, but afterward they switched me into the gifted program.
This was in the US midwest back in the early 2000's btw (peak emo era).
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 19:30:31 UTC No. 16462550
>>16462545
*I don't know
Fucking autocorrect
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 23:52:49 UTC No. 16462896
>I'm so smart I won't try because it'll shatter the illusion.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 01:43:58 UTC No. 16464326
>>16462896
NTA but I hated school so much I began channeling it into learning other stuff. Perhaps I just have some innate issue with authority and being told what to do, but I mastered much of computer science by the time I finished high school instead of doing my homework and getting a decent GPA. I know I'm smart when I try I just hate how the whole thing is organized.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 02:34:23 UTC No. 16464353
>>16464326
School is a kind of crisis inducer.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 03:04:50 UTC No. 16464368
>>16462230
>This kid could know how to build a computer from spare parts
So, every eight year old in China.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 12:39:40 UTC No. 16465934
Bump.