Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:35:54 UTC No. 16462478

>>16462473
i don't think so, i guess if you would throw the amount of money at we that we currently do with ai we'd get it to work quite soon

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:36:08 UTC No. 16462479

a few billion here, a few billion there, before long you might actually be talking about real money
the pay off is potentially too big not to pursue, and refinements in associated technology and theory can be applied elsewhere even if it takes another 100 years

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:54:08 UTC No. 16462498

>>16462473
>Is the nuclear fusion net energy producing reactor actually impossible to do?
they can do that now, the problem is energy output is only a tiny bit more than input required to sustain the reaction. it's a nice grant/funding sinkhole but it is never going to produce enough power to be useful.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 20:17:34 UTC No. 16462626

I am not seeing it nowhere close to life before 12 or 14 years desu, that being optimist

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 23:45:26 UTC No. 16462880

>>16462473
its a fucking experimental reactor.
it should clear out all the uncertanties there are left and confirm models.
its not build to produce, its built to settle the things.
and it doesnt give a fuck about your time schedule.
it takes as long as it takes.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 23:48:15 UTC No. 16462887

>>16462498
People like you were saying the same thing about steam hundreds of years ago.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 00:01:21 UTC No. 16462908

>>16462473
If you define net positive to include ALL inputs then it's not even close to being possible!
If all you want to do is calculate the energy absorbed by the plasma itself then sure you could get some results to justify the existence of this monstrosity.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 01:07:32 UTC No. 16462954

>>16462908
no one knowledgeable advocates for fusion unless they are entwined in the grant / funding / venture capitalist boondoggle.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 01:11:09 UTC No. 16462956

>>16462473
>Is the nuclear fusion net energy producing reactor actually impossible to do?

If it was EASY we would have already done it.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 01:37:55 UTC No. 16462969

>>16462473
Is this the ITER project?

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 02:10:03 UTC No. 16462997

>>16462473
Impossible? Idk. But they are not even close.
>>16462498
Energy output is more than some component of the input (I forget which), but it's much less than the total input. It's just a meme, in other words. Source: I looked into it.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 02:15:40 UTC No. 16463009

>>16462997
>Energy output is more than some component of the input (I forget which)
yeah as I recall its the laser output power, but it takes orders of magnitude more electrical energy to produce that laser power so its nowhere even close to a net energy gain.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 02:17:01 UTC No. 16463011

>>16463009
That's it. What a joke. Or at least the reporting on it was, I respect the experiment.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:56:36 UTC No. 16463526

>>16462478
>Just two more AI super computers bro and we'll finally figure it out...(<---YOU ARE HERE)
>Two decades later
>Hey bro we did good science and it's not my fault the AI was to weak to solve the problem.
>Let's build FOUR MORE super AI computers to solve the problem. I'll call my friend Professor Moshe to run the program, don't worry he has very reasonable salary requirements. He'll also need a house, for life.
>Two decades later
>Hey bro it's not my faulty Dr. Moshe couldn't crack cold fusion, but we did some good science.
>No refunds

Only in science can men and women get paid very well to look important all day next to large contraptions that accomplish nothing. It's literally millions of retarded children in adult bodies LARPing as scientists. They accomplish nothing besides wasting money and time. They spin tall tales of things they can never do and the mindless faggots of the world throw barrels of cash at them in exchange for endless lies. We've gone from scientists to grifters or retards. That's why we have no advancement, because scientists are flawed humans who would rather be lazy and grift than do real science which is hard.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:02:36 UTC No. 16463530

>>16462479
>>16462880
>>16462887
>>16462956
Pure cope likely written by grifter scientists who have vested interest in the grifter model of science.

I've got a lot of projects but I've been brainstorming some non-fiction books. I would really like to deep dive this grifter scientist model of humanity. Future generations will study this time as "what not to do" as we will have squandered generations of advancement in the name of feeding lazy faggots in lab coats. They drive nice cars, live in nice homes, eat great food, and have all their bills paid....all while contributing nothing to society except draining it of resources. Literal ticks.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:06:18 UTC No. 16463538

>>16462473
It's worth a shot because the payoff is so huge, same reason we threw $36B (inflation adjusted) at the Manhattan Project.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:13:55 UTC No. 16463544

>>16463526
Mega AI!
LHC!
MARS!
Black hole pictures!
Fusion!
GO SCIENCE!

By your powers combined, I am Super Grift!
Super Grift, he's the hero
Gonna make the future look legit!

He's our knowledge amplified
And he's working on the science side.

Super Grift, he's the hero
Gonna make the future look legit!

Gonna help him unlock the cosmos,
Cracking codes the bad guys don't want to know!

You’ll pay for this, Super Grift!
We’re the thinkers, you can be one too!
’Cause exploring space is the thing to do!
Messing with the universe is not the way!

Hear what Super Grift has to say!
The power is yours!

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:14:19 UTC No. 16463546

>>16463530
If you hate science so much then go to some other fucking board. Maybe >>>/x/ is more your speed

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:41:03 UTC No. 16463565

>>16463538
So the entire hope and possibility of the idea, and this is the only method and sense of fusion, is to build a stable, dependable, confined long lasting mini star on earth? That would be very cool, and maybe very possible, but you would think they would be closer, all the Sun needs is mainly hydrogen right?
Funny that hydro gen (the kind of water stuff) is mainly responsible for that big fire

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:49:40 UTC No. 16463571

>>16463544
Mega Ai is legit, what llm ai, smart phones, smart robots, automated factories can do is beyond sci fi of 30 years ago.

I don't know what the lhc has been focused on or learning lately, but human kinds understanding, control, manipulation, use of electrons and protons and neutrons is beneficial and astonishing.

Mara, maybe the moon should be the jumping stone test run for human expansion into space baes and colonies.

Fusion might be possible (isn't there a mini star of sorts at the center of the earth, not that it can ever be gotten too (isn't solar 1 step removed fusion energy from the sun?), But causes lava and thermal energy, what are the ways that can be harnessed and stored as energy?

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:52:08 UTC No. 16463578

>>16463565
The sun weighs about 333,000 times as much as Earth, we are trying to maintain that level of pressure without needing to destroy the earth.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 15:46:20 UTC No. 16463670

>>16463578
>The sun weighs about 333,000 times as much as Earth, we are trying to maintain that level of pressure without needing to destroy the earth.
Yeah, hence mini mini mini.....mini mini star; which means still need a lot of pressure, just much minier than the sun.

So hydrogen bombs work via fusion?
So just build an incredibly strong sphere, I geuss an anon in another thread already mentioned it exploding bombs underground and absorbing the energy.

So it is proven there is the capability of fusing hydrogen, just need to intelligently and strongly control and harness it.

These methods of plasma, is the attempt to use plasma to fuse hydrogen? The thought that plasma gets so hot and energetic more then most any other earthly thing and it's strong association with the sun?

So build made of extremely resistant material, a series of concentric spheres, the inner most being the one you wish to try to make a mini star in; the idea would seem to be, fill it with a ton of hydrogen, make a hydrogen fusion reaction in there;

If that is the spirit of the fusion hope in principle, then it has to be considered, how would such a reaction:
1) not obliterate the sphere/s it's contained in
2) how to harness all the energy yielded
3)how to continously keep it going (pump more and more hydrogen in?)

That's the idea, once the fusion chain reaction occurs, as long as more and more hydrogen is present in the vicinity the chain reaction will continue?

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 16:50:53 UTC No. 16463766

the energy required to both fuse the nuclei and contain the fuel in a sustained reaction is basically always going to exceed the energy released from fusion. it's one thing if you're in the core of a star where strong gravity does all the work, but we can't generate those conditions on earth. all we can create is either a device that induced fusion for a microsecond before blowing itself apart (h bomb) or a device that can sort of maintain fusion at massive energy losses plus lots of neutron radiation.
>>16463670
>once the fusion chain reaction occurs, as long as more and more hydrogen is present in the vicinity the chain reaction will continue?
fusion doesn't have a chain reaction.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 17:56:43 UTC No. 16463851

>>16463546
better he goes straight to /po/.

Stop guessing start learning at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 18:28:34 UTC No. 16463882

>>16462473
They should scap the parts and make some cool shit with it.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 19:31:46 UTC No. 16463991

>>16463766
Maintain pressure; hydraulic (or some other state of the art pressure providers maintainers) pres sure

5 or so concentric strongest material I geuss cube would make more sense than spheres (original star wars trash compactor scene)

Concentric cubes, the center one has pressurized compact ability.

The outer and outer and outer cubes are for protection: and filtering out the energy, and supplying more hydrogen in.

The center cube is filled with hydrogen, hydrogen bomb/s, and plasma inputer devices.

When the device goes off, the central cube pressurly compacts, and the energy seeps into the next chambers and is some how extracted through the walls or whatever water heating and what not techniques to harness abundant energy in midst

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 19:42:01 UTC No. 16464003

>>16463991
>When the device goes off, the central cube pressurly compacts, and
All the materials involved obliterate?

>Concentric cubes
As long as the center is that strong fast collapsible pressure cube, the outer sections don't need to be cubes, whatever is determined to be the best would be outside.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:04:11 UTC No. 16464018

"A star's core typically occupies only a very small percentage of its total volume, usually around 3% for a star like our Sun, meaning the core takes up only a tiny fraction of the star's overall space despite containing a significant portion of its mass."

This got me wondering about gravity and why the center is so dense and so like this, and the idea of pressure, rock and a hard place
A requirement of pressure is sturdiness, if everything was flimsy there could be no pressure, just pushing easily pushed things this way and that, no grounding, no ground for no leg to stand on.

This may not be relevant, but yeah, center of gravity, it is feeling the weight the push on all sides.

The image of a large crowd of people confined in a space came to mind, and they are all facing 1 direction, call it left they are all facing, and those most left at the front of the line, are slow, let's even say not moving, those right of the area (it's not a line, say its a circular room they perfectly fill) begin running forward, compression, they push everyone forward, from the right everyone is pushing everyone forward, the people all the way in front are not moving, eventually max compression will be reached, and maybe those in front against the wall feel it most, I assumed with this description it would be made a center of gravity, a center of compression and pressure, but maybe to do that we simply remove the wall in the front left, and say they are now jogging forward, while the on the right side of the area, they are sprinting and pushing forward:

Slower front, quicker back, compressing everything into the middle? This still doesn't seem to suggest the tiny percentage of exactly in center being most pressed, perhaps the Suns rotations have something to do with it then,

The massive body is constantly slamming into plowing into field, this is a from outside inward pressure, a person running into 200 mph headwind while holding a large kite: but the person is very massiv

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:24:08 UTC No. 16464045

>>16464018
>The massive body of star is constantly slamming into plowing into field, this is a from outside inward pressure, a person running into 200 mph headwind while holding a large kite: but the person is very massive, so they can keep running, but also the person is 10,000 people tied together by rope, so as they run into the wind, those infront are slowed down, while shielding those in back who keep running full speed, those infront are not stopped, just slowed, those in back running full speed, those in center as well, but I geuss everything compresses in the center, and the spinning likely has something to do with it, we have never tested gravity of a planet that does not rotate I don't think, we only know of gravity on rotating celestial bodies.

So along with maybe sum of parts magnetic and nuclear forces everything being compressed, some how the push and pull and offset momentum speeds of sides and spin, results in the center of a body being the hard place, that all surrounding rocks pile on and forcefully lay on top of.

Now there also could be something to however the bodies were first formed, earth for instance, believed to have very hot center, is it thought early earth was not so solid, but by virtue of being exposed to space, the inside remains more hot, and the outside cool? Lost the plot bit there but trying to wonder

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:32:35 UTC No. 16464053

>>16463882
>picrel
fucking cringe and unrelated, my guy. I can't wait until February when all the mutts' attention span is fried and they collectively shut the fuck up about politics

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:34:27 UTC No. 16464054

In theory assuming perfect control and feasible abilities with fusion reactor, would it even be that much better than fission and I geuss I answer my question by realizing fission depends on rare uranium and fusion uses more abundant material. And the looking at the sun and saying look at all that energy we should do that here

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:36:35 UTC No. 16464056

>>16464054
Nature shows us the beauty of fusion captured solar panels by the example set by all leaf having trees with all their uses of wood, fruit and fiber

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:49:20 UTC No. 16464066

>>16462473
My theory is that it's probably impossible without a strong gravitational field. It is doable because we see it in nature but never held together with magnets.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:34:33 UTC No. 16464242

>>16462473
Fusion works better the bigger the reactor is, the thing is no one wants to fund some reactor the size of a city
Plus theres a big problem with radioactivity, all that fusion will attack the steel of the chamber and it isnt clear what to do about it, many untested ideas

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 01:13:24 UTC No. 16464313

>>16464242
>Fusion works
(citation needed)

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 11:01:46 UTC No. 16464812

>>16464313
Just reports from all the tokamaks being bult to date. The progress is measured by the Lawson criteria or triple product. Essentially the energy confinement time
When a tokamak is bigger, it takes more time for the heat to escape. The same thing happens in the sun, if fusion stopped in the sun it would still glow hot for millions of years because it has so much thermal inertia
Same thing for a plasma, a small plasma will cool faster than a large plasma.
One of the challenges in fusion is how to minimize heat losses so you can get away with a smaller plasma, but if that fails you can brute force it with a larger reactor. It doesnt have to be as big as the sun but still huge, like a city

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:13:52 UTC No. 16464881

>>16464812
Why does it have to be big as a city, what are the fundamental techniques that would cause that to work much better, when seemingly according to everyone the current scale is far from producing valid or valiant results

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 15:37:44 UTC No. 16465007

>>16463571
>is beyond sci fi of 30 years ago.
>has never seen star wars or star trek, the two most well known sci-fis every invented or heard of Clarke or asimov.
I personally believe in the power of future AGI. A self learning, self improving super intelligence will solve problems that humans will never, ever be able to touch. You could copy the minds of the most brilliant AI a million times over and have them do the work of a billion scientists. The entire point of the singularity is that technology will grow at such an exponential rate that it becomes literally impossible to guess what will come out of it.

I also believe AGI won't be a thing for another 150-200 years so we have to use our stupid human brains to solve complex problems like nuclear fusion.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 16:51:28 UTC No. 16465088

>>16465007
>solve complex problems like nuclear fusion.
What would happen if in a 100^3 yard building full to the brim with hydrogen and some hydrogen bombs in the center, had 2 facing walls that right at the moment of detonation shot toward one another powered by bullet train and hydraulics and whatever (trying to make the pressure, trying to make unstoppable force squeezing immovable object), and also plasma sprayed in the chamber why not, what might happen, would this create any or a decent amount of fusion?

Because tokamak and stuff, does theory really suggest you can fuse hydrogen by throwing hot as can be made lightning bolts at them? And then collapsing walls bullet train hydraulics pressure compartment?

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 23:16:21 UTC No. 16465451

>>16464881
>Why does it have to be big as a city,
Why does a start have to be big like a star? Why cant a star be the size of a golf ball?
Why do nuclear bombs have a critical mass?
Such things just are.
>techniques
Having really strong magnetic fields and active diddling of it to prevent hydrodynamic instabilities from growing. You dont want the plasma to swirl around as that gives the heat a path to the vessel walls

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 23:19:35 UTC No. 16465455

>>16465088
>, had 2 facing walls that right at the moment of detonation shot toward one another powered by bullet train and hydraulics
Well this is how a hydrogen bomb works, the hydrogen fuel gets compressed by a shockwave caused by a first smaller nuke. You can then chain them, make the bomb the detonator for a bigger bomb

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 04:52:20 UTC No. 16465729

>>16465455
So the most obvious technique of harnessing fusion energy, is hydrogen bomb technique in a safe sturdy location equipped to harness the resultant release of energy?

The current tokamak hopes and such techniques of harnessing fusion is motivated by a non explosive method?

Because such an explosive method would have conceptual engineering drawbacks, and waste, and difficulty continually manufacturing the product and procedure?
And it would have to be done in a crazy environment to avoid crazy radiation after running the underground bomb exploding energy generator for 50 + years?

An anon in this thread of another posted that drawing of such plans and initial response is to laugh at it, and the later response is to ask why not, and what other conceptual options for fusion might there be?

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 05:01:03 UTC No. 16465732

>>16465451
>>16465455
So the attempted method of current fusion producing attempts do involve hydrogen(?) And it is trying to confine lots of hydrogen pressurizedly in one location, and use strongest magnets along with strongest hottest plasma, to fuse x amount of hydrogen (and there is no chain reaction) so the hope is to: zap hydrogen, fusion, capture energy. Reset up. Zap hydrogen, fusion, capture energy. Reset.

Or, hopes even for: zap hydrogen, fuse, capture energy, zap zap hydrogen harness zap fuse zap fuse zap harness zap zap fuse fuse harness zap fuse harness zap zap zap harness fuse fuse fuse harness harness zap fuse harness

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 05:30:19 UTC No. 16465751

>>16464045
>So along with maybe sum of parts magnetic and nuclear forces everything being compressed, some how the push and pull and offset momentum speeds of sides and spin, results in the center of a body being the hard place, that all surrounding rocks pile on and forcefully lay on top of.

I don't know how it's verified the claim (I geuss using all other knowledge to process of elimination infer) that the core of a star is 3% of its volume and 20% or so of its mass, but if it is nearly so:

There might be something to the physical fundamentality of fields, the rotation of the massive body, and the exact center being so far from the surface, so far from accessing the external fields, different rates of twisting of the particles of the Sun, as you go down the layers, so the core center is experiencing so much of what surrounds it, and so much of its compressed local interaction with the fundamental fields

The thought that there is no such thing as centrifugal or centripetal; naturally you might think if you spin there is an outward flowing feel, angular momentum, parts are placed in a motion but elecmagno forces keep things contained:

Again maybe, a merrygo round, sitting in the exact center you don't really feel an outward pull, for you have such a faster revolution/rotation. If you sit towards the edge, all the sudden you feel an outward pull, the same way sitting passenger in a car making a left hand turn.

Are the outer layers of sun not feeling that outward momentum pull?

But being forced inward by the fields that surround, and this forced inward from all sides is then possibly not caused by the massive pressurized center, but causing the massive pressurized center, or column A and B.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 16:26:59 UTC No. 16466141

How much hydrogen is hoped to be attempting to be fused at once in fusion reactors?

It is verified now that: if you hit x amount of contained pressurized hydrogen, with the strongest possible man made units of plasma, y amount of hydrogen fuses?

Pressurized hydrogen, magnetic containment, strongest plasma = fusion? Verified

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 16:50:50 UTC No. 16466164

>>16463578
>we are trying to maintain that level of pressure
the funny thing is fusion chambers end up being around atmospheric pressure. they work by putting a minuscule amount of fuel in a vacuum chamber then trying to make the particles fly around really fast. it's pretty much the opposite of what the sun does, which is restrict the movement of particles so that they occasionally do quantum tunneling

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 20:01:31 UTC No. 16466343

>>16466164
"The energy released by the fusion of two hydrogen atoms is approximately 0.0918 MeV"

-Can you fuse hydrogen by particle accelerating it into one another?

-what quantity of hydrogen is attempted to be fused in the reactors?

-what level of rigor is the theory supporting the fusion reactor designs planned for how much energy output?

-if they accidently succeeded in fusing a significant amount of hydrogen would the result be explosion?

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 00:11:05 UTC No. 16466605

>>16466343
>Can you fuse hydrogen by particle accelerating it into one another?
Yes but the chance is low, most impacts would fail to fuse and just dissipate the energy as waste heat, with no gain from fusion. This would only work with a mass large enough that the waste heat is retained by inertia and not diffused. You need to generate heat faster than it dissipates
Its like trying to set wood alight by rubbing two sticks heating>cooling leads to ignition

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 00:22:48 UTC No. 16466619

What if they just made it a big piston engine but with a tiny explosive fusion reaction instead of gasoline