🧵 Scientist Warns that Elon Musk will ruin Mars
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 02:42:43 UTC No. 16463043
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech
>Responding to the claims, Professor Andrew Coates spoke about the prospect of humans on Mars and argued that it could contaminate the planet and threaten space exploration in the future.
>Professor Coates, who is a physicist from UCL, told the BBC's 'Today Programme': “The last thing we need to be doing is taking life from Earth to Mars. Robotic exploration is the way to go.”
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 02:47:36 UTC No. 16463052
>>16463043
Seems like the media ran this because they don't like Elon Musk. There is nothing wrong with putting life on other planets.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 02:47:43 UTC No. 16463053
>>16463043
ruin it as in "put happy productive people there to build and develop it for the benefit of all mankind" like we did in North America, or ruin like "carpet bomb all the churches and hospitals" like is being done in Gaza?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 02:49:05 UTC No. 16463056
>>16463052
Yeah, but what if that comes at the cost of killing any microbial live that could potentially be living there? Especially when those microbes would be a massive discovery and possibly beneficial?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 04:47:29 UTC No. 16463181
>>16463053
>ruin it as in "put happy productive people there to build and develop it for the benefit of all mankind" like we did in North America
you introduced globohomo and are in the process of destroying all your old growth forests.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:01:47 UTC No. 16463187
>>16463056
If the microbes want to survive, they can bloody well adapt and earn it like the rest of us.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:11:37 UTC No. 16463195
Hope Musk names the first manned spacecraft on Mars the Botany Bay.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:17:25 UTC No. 16463198
People are such risk averse cucks these days its properly gay. If it was up to these people we'd never have domesticated animals or left Africa.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:20:23 UTC No. 16463200
>>16463056
If humans discover alien microbial life there, we can change our plans accordingly. We could introduce invasive organisms, but they couldn't take over the whole planet from the landing sites. Do you know how long it would take for a micro organism to travel the circumference of mars if it never died and just swam unimpeded? Let alone reproduce enough to take over the whole planet. And it's dry and and bombarded with radiation. Basically this is the most retarded idea ever and this thread shouldn't exist.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:26:27 UTC No. 16463204
>send robots to mars, they find little bacteria fellas
>can't send humans as we'd contaminate them
>send robots to mars, they don't find little bacteria fellas
>can't send humans in case the bacteria are somewhere haven't looked
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:32:07 UTC No. 16463207
>>16463043
Do these "le scientists" realize they are reactionaries to a level of fundamentalism? They seem to be gatekeeping any progress because it would harm le planets, microorganisms or bipocs. They are the equivalent of the 17th century Catholic church.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 05:45:36 UTC No. 16463211
>>16463052
>>16463043
Its not just they dislike Musk, that much is very well known. The more pressing concern for these "people" are that Musk wants life to flourish. That is a threat to their death cult. These people see humans as evil upon this planet and want humans to go extinct.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 09:23:44 UTC No. 16463317
>>16463043
>Scientist Warns that Elon Musk will ruin Mars
Fucking hell, Environmentalist HATE humans with such a passion that ANYTHING humans do is EVIL in their eyes.
Never forget that modern environmentalist complain about solar farms in the desert... the fucking DESERT, because it MIGHT harm the desert ecosystem.
Modern environmentalist are a death cult that prays that there will be less humans... in their eyes humans are the problem.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 09:57:41 UTC No. 16463342
>>16463056
There's no fucking life on Mars. It's a toxic, irradiated wasteland.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:35:57 UTC No. 16463372
>>16463043
Its not like contaminates could hop a ride on the machinery or anything and its not like all the machinery is going to be left behind as litter to contaminate the planet with a bunch of junk just like earth's orbit is filled with space junk.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:38:31 UTC No. 16463374
>>16463211
A lot of scientists that study space are really mad at musk for deploying starlink and creating a ton of sky light pollution that makes looking into space that much more difficult.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:40:11 UTC No. 16463375
>>16463211
Sure, all scientists who study space want humans to go extinct, but not the guy who actively wants to replace brains with AI implants and force humans into the metaverse.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:54:54 UTC No. 16463384
>>16463374
No. A tiny number of astronomers who want to attention whore make fools out of themselves making public statements that are an embarrassment to the rest of the astronomic community as the problem with artificial satellites in orbit has long been a solved problem for optical observations (which is an extremely niche portion of astronomy these days).
That you fell for it shows how gullible you are and how primed you are to believe such things.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:59:31 UTC No. 16463387
>>16463384
>has long been a solved problem for optical observations (which is an extremely niche portion of astronomy these days).
Sure, there are numerous solutions if you are a multi-million dollar corporation, but gone are the days when you can buy your kid a telescope so they can look around the cosmos as kids have done for generations to get interested in astronomy.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:04:02 UTC No. 16463390
>>16463387
How can you stand to be so disingenuous? Seriously, what happened in your life that you decided to waste it on doing low effort trolling on an anonymous image board? What is it that you believe you are accomplishing?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:06:05 UTC No. 16463393
>>16463390
Do you need a licence to ride meat that hard?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:11:01 UTC No. 16463398
>>16463390
I accept your concession, telescopes are useless now without a bunch of tracking software to block out all the light pollution to the point that you are looking at cgi images rather than an actual view of the sky.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:16:10 UTC No. 16463401
>>16463043
But these same people want to send black women to mars
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:16:26 UTC No. 16463402
>>16463390
I didn't move the goalposts at all, I demonstrated that what once had such a low barrier to entry has had the barrier increased significantly because of all the light pollution created by starlink that requires digital telescopes with real time tracking software to counteract instead of simple traditional telescopes that had been used by kids for generations.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:18:33 UTC No. 16463404
>>16463374
Only the ones that are part of the death cult.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:19:26 UTC No. 16463405
>>16463398
Retard, the problem is for wide array radio telescopes. Starlink's radio interference is the problem, they aren't visible once they reach their final orbits.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:20:54 UTC No. 16463409
>>16463402
You fucking retard, there's no "light pollution". Unless you have a massive radio telescope aimed and a big part of the night sky you won't experience any problems at all.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:21:49 UTC No. 16463411
>>16463404
No, anyone who obsesses with dead ass space and dead planets like mars and especially people who profit from it, like Musk, are clearly part of the death cult.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:22:49 UTC No. 16463413
>>16463405
Then why doesn't he brag more about how he invented invisibility for giant multi-ton satellites?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:27:25 UTC No. 16463418
>>16463413
Because their radio interference fucks with radio telescopes. That's the problem astronomers have. Your bullshit about visible spectrum astronomy is utterly retarded. A regular teleacope won't be able to pick up a starlink on them even with long exposure times (which is not how you do astronomy regardless as you stack images).
You're just a subhuman retard talking completely out of your ass. The only time Starlink can be seen are for like 1 week after launch when the boost themselves to their final orbit. That's 20-40 Starlink on the entire globe being on the visible spectrum at best.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:31:28 UTC No. 16463424
>>16463409
Wrong, if you point an optical telescope anywhere, you will see constant reflections and shadows from the thousands of starlink satellites everywhere because there are thousands of starlink satellites blocking the view and reflecting light.
https://www.space.com/spacex-starli
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:33:08 UTC No. 16463425
>>16463418
The long exposure time is exactly why starlink fucks up everything because you can't get a good picture without a streak of light or shadow interfering from a satellite streaking across your exposure view.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:34:15 UTC No. 16463426
>>16463424
No, you won't. The luminous flux is WAY WAY WAY too low to make that possible. You're speaking completely out of your ass on this one.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:35:38 UTC No. 16463427
>>16463426
No, I am repeating what the source I provided says, you are speaking out of your ass and preferring to use name calling instead of factual sources.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:35:53 UTC No. 16463428
>>16463425
You don't do long exposure times at all in astronomy you fucking retard. The entire sky removes around you. You stack images on top of each other while aiming at the same target. This by itself removes any satellitea because they move so fast and will not be visible in one or two images taken in the stack.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:40:14 UTC No. 16463430
>>16463427
Your source never claimed such a thing. Did you even read it?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:40:54 UTC No. 16463431
>>16463428
Sure, I bet you know more about astronomy than space.com and astronomy.com combined who both say it is a problem that is only getting worse the more people want to add artificial mega-constellations.
https://www.astronomy.com/space-exp
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:42:47 UTC No. 16463433
>>16463430
It did and it even said starlink has taken clear measures to try to reduce the amount of light pollution so it doesn't scale up as poorly as it has been up until now.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:43:31 UTC No. 16463434
>>16463431
Space.com is absolute fucking garbage so unironically yes. Have you tried to not let the first pop science headlines you see you google dictate your agenda driven nonsense? You already posted a source which didn't state at all the claims you made it did.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:45:46 UTC No. 16463436
>>16463433
No, that's from this article
https://www.space.com/starlink-stre
from the beginning of 2022 you absolute fucking retard. Not whatever you posted. It very fucking clear you only read the fucking headline of another article which was present in the article you posted. Embarrassing. It's not relevant at all now has the new generation of Starlink has long since taken measure to mitigate that. These are 3 years too old news.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:50:29 UTC No. 16463439
>>16463434
I accept your concessions.
>>16463436
No, its definitely from the article I originally posted, maybe you should try reading it before critiquing it.
https://www.space.com/spacex-starli
>SpaceX has taken action to this effect. For example, recently launched Starlink satellites sport visors designed to prevent sunlight from glinting too brightly off their most reflective parts.
>But the huge numbers of satellites in megaconstellations from SpaceX and other private space companies, such as OneWeb, suggest that light pollution and other issues may continue, and advocates have called for greater regulations from government agencies.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:50:29 UTC No. 16463440
>>16463411
So anyone who want to bring life to a dead planet is a death cult, but people who are part of group who promote castration of children, killing babies, degrowth, deindustrialization, depopulation, are not? Yeah, I think your brain has been broken.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:55:24 UTC No. 16463445
>>16463440
No, anyone who wants to change your focus to a dead planet instead of focusing on what is happening on the one living planet we actually know about is clearly pushing death cult propaganda whether or not they mutilate their children.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:59:31 UTC No. 16463450
>>16463445
>instead
Space budget is 0.0001% of Earth's budget. That instead doesn't work. Sorry sister, you will never be a woman.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:59:34 UTC No. 16463451
Isnt the whole point of colonizing mars.. to uhhh colonize mars?? Doesn't that imply bringing LIFE over??????
FUCKING GRIFTER MORONS
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:00:33 UTC No. 16463453
>>16463451
90% of current academia is of the far left party, which believes humans shouldn't exist, universe should be left dead, earth will be in a better place without humans, etc etc. So they come from that ideology
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:04:49 UTC No. 16463454
>>16463450
>Space budget is 0.0001% of Earth's budget.
Yet its over half of what elon talks about because he is a death cultist straight from the World Economic Forum's official Young Global Leaders list.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:08:13 UTC No. 16463457
>>16463454
Nice try, WEF tranny. Your gaslight wont work. You will STILL never be a woman, you have no womb.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:12:59 UTC No. 16463463
>>16463457
Too bad I am not the one the WEF actively endorsed as a young global leader whose kids are actual trannies.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:13:35 UTC No. 16463464
>>16463463
Too bad, you've castrated yourself to WEF propaganda. Nice job.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:15:19 UTC No. 16463466
>>16463464
>t the anon who literally physically removed their own testicles because elon musk convinced them long term space travel would be easier without them
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:24:17 UTC No. 16463470
>>16463043
Musk will not be able to do anything to Mars. He'll probably die of old age before the first person goes to Mars.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:28:53 UTC No. 16463474
>>16463457
>nobody:
>poltard: TRANNIES
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:33:22 UTC No. 16463476
>>16463387
>>16463398
>>16463402
>>16463424
lol. what a load of crap.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 12:36:41 UTC No. 16463478
>>16463476
kek. what a bundle of concession.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:06:41 UTC No. 16463485
>>16463478
i accept your concession
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:07:39 UTC No. 16463486
>>16463474
Everyone can spot a commie tranny from a mile
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:14:31 UTC No. 16463491
Elon Musk dickriders getting absolutely CREAMED in these threads.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:15:06 UTC No. 16463492
>>16463491
Homos dreaming about homosexual activities, you out yourself
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:23:07 UTC No. 16463495
>>16463492
Still crying?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:27:45 UTC No. 16463500
>>16463491
is elon in the room with you now?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:04:00 UTC No. 16463532
>>16463445
>No, anyone who wants to change your focus to a dead planet instead of focusing on what is happening on the one living planet we actually know
Why do you never use this logic when people spend their time and money on watching sportsball games? Or playing video games? Or scrolling TikTok? Are these peope helping the planet?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:15:50 UTC No. 16463548
Really, how stupid do you have to be to think that humans can colonize Mars in the next two thousand years at least?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:24:02 UTC No. 16463556
>>16463548
In your eyes, what does "colonization" entail? So we know what exactly it is your calling "impossible" here.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:27:41 UTC No. 16463559
>>16463556
Turning Mars into Earth 2.0, terraforming, that kind of stuff
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:31:08 UTC No. 16463562
>>16463043
They would be in a stronger rhetorical position if they were actually looking for life, instead of the geologists who run NASA funding all of their surveys under the guise of looking for life they know isn’t there in just two more weeks.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 14:53:32 UTC No. 16463580
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 15:00:28 UTC No. 16463586
>>16463043
There is nothing to ruin there
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 15:02:16 UTC No. 16463589
>>16463580
And Jesus will be back in 2060 to prove the atheists wrong
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 15:28:20 UTC No. 16463631
>>16463043
Anyone against space colonization is a traitor to mankind and must be burned alive.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 15:30:27 UTC No. 16463638
>>16463200
/thread
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 15:50:21 UTC No. 16463678
>>16463559
that's why we need to do paraterraforming, that is, living in bubbles and air mattresses spread across the surface
only resource acquisition specialists ever leave the bubble
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 15:53:13 UTC No. 16463685
>>16463631
stupid frogposter, we will simply soar above their tombs
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 15:59:10 UTC No. 16463690
>>16463631
You will never leave this planet
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 16:17:35 UTC No. 16463717
>>16463043
>living in ze pod
>eating roaches and bioengineered gruel
>waging 24/7
REEEEE jewish globohomo WEF shill
>same but on mars
WAOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE ME DADDY MUSKY
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 16:32:55 UTC No. 16463742
>>16463559
Good you clarified, because I agree that this stuff won't be done for a long time. But I won't even have to be done by Earthers, either. It will be done by Martians who have developed a certain patriotism for their home planet in the preceding centuries of settlement of the planet.
Like another anon said, this initial settlement will be accomplished via paraterraforming -- just put a thick tarp over some valleys and pressurize the volume.
>why would anyone move to Mars?
1. dreamers who want to make Mars happen, 2. motivation for others. Powerful interest groups will entice people.
>what motivates THOSE interest groups?
The dream of wanting to make Mars happen. People want to do it, therefore, given enough time and resources, they will do it.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 18:12:28 UTC No. 16463863
>>16463717
>same on mars
lmao you are delusional
mars will be a republican commune
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 19:25:21 UTC No. 16463979
>we can't immigrate to the USA because maybe there's indigenous tribes in some areas.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 20:02:11 UTC No. 16464015
>>16463043
musk is cool, he should be the first man on mars.
bodhi at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:25:58 UTC No. 16464099
>>16463056
no borders no wall no mars at all!
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:50:54 UTC No. 16464120
Keep sucking a fascist billionaires cock.
He does nothing but browse twitter, inject ket and play diablo all day.
He has personally done nothing for science and his only role at space X is being contained by his handlers.
Bunch of yankified retards ITT.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:10:48 UTC No. 16464152
>>16463548
As stupid as an American Republican/ Musk.
Ie all of the people here apart from us.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:19:03 UTC No. 16464161
>>16463043
>"NOOOOOO! WHAT ABOUT THE COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL MICROBES THAT WE HAVE NO TRACE EVIDENCE OF BEING THERE ON A NOTORIOUS DEAD WORLD?!?!"
There's nothing really to ruin. Even if there's microbes on Mars, it's 99.8% likely they were blown from earth via a meteorite within the past 3.5 billion years.
There's no proof life ever existed with the few robotic probes we sent. An actual research colony is going to discover far more stuff, far more quickly.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:24:18 UTC No. 16464169
>>16464161
What the fuck can humans do that rovers can't already do?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:25:36 UTC No. 16464173
>>16463631
Have fun getting perchlorate exposure and dying.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:32:04 UTC No. 16464179
>>16464169
Not take 20 minutes to make a decision to keep digging or not
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:35:13 UTC No. 16464183
>>16463439
>suggest that light pollution and other issues may continue
>SUGGEST
>MAY
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 00:56:46 UTC No. 16464302
>>16464183
>Continue
As in, Starlink is still an issue.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 01:34:28 UTC No. 16464323
>>16464173
skill issue desu
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 02:17:06 UTC No. 16464344
>>16463742
Unless there's some massive financial incentive to go to Mars, it simply won't happen. Going to the moon is far more likely as there's plenty of material on the moon to be mined and the potential for many different facilities to be built on it.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 02:34:53 UTC No. 16464354
>>16463056
they need to adapt or die like all life
you can't stop evolution
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 09:40:13 UTC No. 16464764
>>16463387
>but gone are the days when you can buy your kid a telescope so they can look around the cosmos as kids have done for generations to get interested in astronomy.
That is so wrong we just reached an entirely new level of wrongess previously not thought possible.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:40:40 UTC No. 16464851
>>16464179
Marstards who can't even make decent rovers hallucinating about having civilizations on Mars. This is really peak delusion.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 12:52:53 UTC No. 16464861
>>16463374
No meaningful astronomy is or can be done on Earth's surface any more. Orbital telescopes do all relevant work now.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:18:22 UTC No. 16464885
>>16463211
Muskrat is delusional. life on Mars is a massive economic sink. we are no where near ready nor actually capable of creating livable conditions in inhospitable planets.
even if Mars was exactly like Earth, it would still be an insane undertaking to create a functioning civilization there.
Musk should just focus on electric cars and AI.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:28:33 UTC No. 16464887
>>16463440
Is this death cult with us right now?
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:30:22 UTC No. 16464888
I think there's no life on Mars, never was, and the first gen of colonists is also going to perish horribly in front of cameras, from mental and physical conditions, and the future mankind is going to feel real stupid about this centuries-long sink of time, effort, and money.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:31:46 UTC No. 16464890
>>16463450
And you will never be martian, nor will your descendants.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:37:31 UTC No. 16464895
>>16464888
you sound very weak
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:47:00 UTC No. 16464907
>>16463056
From my point of view that's just a little bonus.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:52:28 UTC No. 16464911
>>16464895
Nice projector. Did your dad buy it for you?
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:52:36 UTC No. 16464912
>>16464888
Mars was once wet, and there might be some lichen like life left, assuming the process of drying out took sufficiently long time.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:55:08 UTC No. 16464915
>>16464912
It has been nuked by the sun and sanded down for billions of years. I doubt there's even any trace of life left, if there ever was any.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:57:47 UTC No. 16464918
>>16464911
weeeeeeakk
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:03:18 UTC No. 16464922
>>16464918
Underage taaaaaard
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:03:39 UTC No. 16464923
>>16463742
All it takes is one eccentric billionaire (see Musk) and its possible.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:08:40 UTC No. 16464931
>>16464923
>see Musk
Lmao, I can't wait to hear your excuses 4 years from now
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:12:32 UTC No. 16464933
>>16464923
Where's the return on his investment?
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:15:03 UTC No. 16464937
>>16464933
Probably wouldn't work for Mars but I've always suspected a private moon landing could make its money back auctioning off moon rocks.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:16:39 UTC No. 16464938
>>16464937
Well, yeah, moon mining and other facilities being built is almost a certainty, but for Mars, there's really nothing we could get from it.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:19:56 UTC No. 16464940
>>16464938
Nah I don't mean mining (though that's a good idea too), I mean just auctioning off the rocks to people that want a piece of the moon. Wouldn't work more than once, but I think the art industry has shown there are enough rich idiots willing to pay for something rare simply to have something other people can't to fund the first one.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:25:54 UTC No. 16464946
>>16464937
Most of the moon rocks the US handed out were lost or otherwise misplaced. Doesn't seem like they have much novelty value since more than one of them exists.
>Of the 270 Apollo 11 Moon rocks and the Apollo 17 Moon Rocks that were given to the nations of the world by the Nixon Administration, approximately 180 are unaccounted for. Many of these rocks that are accounted for have been locked away in storage for decades.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:28:26 UTC No. 16464948
>>16464946
NASA's made a big stink about keeping them out of private hands, though, and have sent the FBI around to take them back whenever they've become aware of it. Hearing about one of the cases was what gave me the idea.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:39:58 UTC No. 16464951
>>16464940
So you're just promoting a grift. Not surprising at all.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:43:00 UTC No. 16464952
>>16463043
why worry about something that isn't going to happen.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 14:44:10 UTC No. 16464955
>>16464915
Also on Earth there are complex life forms that can survive a lot of radiation. Given millions of years in preparation, life might also survive martian climate.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 00:20:54 UTC No. 16465509
>>16463043
>threaten space exploration
>so just don't explore space
brilliant logic for libs as always
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 06:30:35 UTC No. 16465791
>>16463204
We must preserve wild Mars.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 08:45:53 UTC No. 16465865
>>16463387
I just bought my niece and nephews a telescope for Christmas tho.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 09:14:01 UTC No. 16465875
I'd rather save the animals on Earth first, and not many people seem willing to do that anymore.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 09:34:31 UTC No. 16465879
>>16464946
Defence and aerospace have enormous requirements for logging and accountability, it is incredible that this has even happened and that the responsible have not been locked up. Perhaps they were promoted to those responsible for the space shuttle disasters, also never jailed or even prosecuted.
Meanwhile the value of the rocks have declined as they were impropoerly stored and are probably well oxidized by now. Lunar terrain is highly varied so many samples did have a significant value.
>>16464948
I suspect that was a deflective maneouvre to avoid being investigated themselves for sloppy handling of government properties.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:33:43 UTC No. 16465897
>>16463387
>but gone are the days when you can buy your kid a telescope so they can look around the cosmos as kids have done for generations to get interested in astronomy.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 13:56:58 UTC No. 16465989
>>16465879
>the value of the rocks have declined as they were impropoerly stored and are probably well oxidized by now.
lol
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 09:28:33 UTC No. 16466968
>>16465875
Bring them to Mars and repopulate Mars
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 09:30:44 UTC No. 16466969
Mars is stupid because no one can live there and it cant have an economy. Any talk of trade with Mars is stupid and any mars colonist would have an easier life on Earth, no reason to live there.
Only industries in Mars would be tourism and rape bases for ultra elites, basically paid by billionaires that want to do something with their billions.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 09:32:41 UTC No. 16466971
>>16463043
Greta thurnberg wants to ban him from sending ships there, because he might pollute the enivronment (possible life) here.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 10:38:48 UTC No. 16466991
>>16463678
That seems super sustainable and not all all inviting calamity.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 11:12:18 UTC No. 16467004
>>16463043
>...could threaten space exploration in the future.
continues to berate current space exploration.
what is this dimwits logic here ?!
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:08:43 UTC No. 16467094
>all the seething
Those who can't do, teach.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:10:47 UTC No. 16467097
>>16463491
The first thought in your head was gay sex. Interesting./home/carsonb/Downloads
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:14:02 UTC No. 16467100
>>16467097
kek dummy
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:36:46 UTC No. 16467119
>>16463043
Environmentalism is anti-human
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:38:41 UTC No. 16467121
>>16463056
And those microbes, much like a rare amazonian tree frog, server little to no purpose for mankind.
That being said, if you want to personally conduct a mission to mars/amazon to collect these creatures to keep as pets, go ahead. Just don't demand the government does it for you or prevents other people doing greater things.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:43:46 UTC No. 16467125
>>16463181
>in the process of destroying all your old growth forests.
Nobody's stopping you buying some old growth forest and keeping it as a pet.
>introduced globohomo
There was no globohomo in the 1800s. Also Elon and globohomo clearly don't get on well.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:45:20 UTC No. 16467127
>>16463207
They're much worse. The 17th century Catholic church acted the way it did to maintain power. These people genuinely hate humanity and want to see all trace of it destroyed. These people are the product of dysgenics.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:46:21 UTC No. 16467129
>>16463317
Yes. They are dysgenic spiteful communist mutants.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:47:28 UTC No. 16467130
>>16463374
That's unfortunate. You do not own a good view unless you own all that you see. Same argument for neighbours growing pine trees to block your view; solution is to own that land too.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:49:01 UTC No. 16467132
>>16463375
>replace brains with AI implants
i don't think he's suggested anything like that, please post if otherwise. At best an assistant, but not replace
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:51:50 UTC No. 16467136
>>16463387
I can look at the sky right now without any issue.
Admittedly if you're doing a timelapse you can get streaks across the cam, but software has already exists to solve this: when a satellite (or aircraft, existed longer) goes across the FOV, the software just doesn't take a photo.
Importantly, this sort of timelapse astronomy is a new innovation for amateurs, so it's not a case of "gone are the days" for those days never existed.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:53:23 UTC No. 16467142
>>16463398
>to block out all the light pollution
Face reality, as humanity grows and civilization complicates, you will have less untouched environment around you.
There is no solution to this. Stop using the government to halt humanity.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:53:41 UTC No. 16467143
>>16466991
correct
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:55:04 UTC No. 16467146
>>16463424
>you will see constant reflections and shadows from the thousands of starlink satellites
I went to an astronomy night a month ago, this did not happen. You have been disproven by evidence.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:56:39 UTC No. 16467149
>>16463411
>anyone who obsesses with dead ass space and dead planets
Nobody on the dead red planet; its free real estate, no red indians to genocide, so nobody to cry about colonizing it.
Yet even with this, leftists still find a way to complain; because they hate humanity.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:58:08 UTC No. 16467150
>>16463445
>instead of focusing on what is happening on the one living planet
You're right, we must engineer society around force-feeding morbidly obese niggresses.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:59:19 UTC No. 16467152
>>16463450
>Space budget is 0.0001% of Earth's budget
Not just that, but Elon's funding a lot more of it with private capital compared to the moon landings. With any luck he could eventually drop subsidies entirely.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 14:00:20 UTC No. 16467154
>>16463453
this
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 14:03:01 UTC No. 16467156
>>16464173
Wash the salt out retard.
>finite water supply
>wash salt out
>get salty water
>boil/distill water
>repeat
Is this really beyond leftist "scientists"?
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 14:04:42 UTC No. 16467159
>>16464885
>life on Mars is a massive economic sink.
Yes and?
It's his pet project, why stop a fool parting from his money?
That's not to say in 500 years time the seeds sown now won't turn into an strong economy.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 14:04:52 UTC No. 16467160
>>16467154
NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BRING LIFE TO MARS IT'S TOO EARLY OMGGG THE ICKK
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 14:05:59 UTC No. 16467162
>>16464888
>first gen of colonists is also going to perish horribly in front of cameras, from mental and physical conditions
James town didnt go well either yet the USA exists quite well.
Benefit of mars is there's no red indians to genocide so nobody to complain about it 500 years after the fact.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 18:03:06 UTC No. 16467372
>>16463056
>cost of killing any microbial live that could potentially be living there?
Fuck microbial life
> Especially when those microbes would be a massive discovery and possibly beneficial?
AI will make all discoveries we possibly need
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 23:47:11 UTC No. 16467746
>>16467160
There is rape, murder suffering and decay on earth in the trillions.
you know how much rape, murder, suffering and decay is there on Mars? zero >> ( " 0 " ) <<
humans are a childish species, we are not mature enough to populate the galaxy.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 23:57:29 UTC No. 16467759
>>16463342
There’s life in chernobyl and in the crushing depths of the mariana trench. If life ever made it to mars, there’s a good chance it’s still around in some form. Or at least the signs of it being there are.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 01:56:32 UTC No. 16467863
>>16463056
I don't care if there are actual intelligent aliens there and we end up killing them all. Helldivers 2 is the future pussy.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 02:03:02 UTC No. 16467868
>>16467863
I see you!
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 02:05:19 UTC No. 16467870
>>16463580
NYT is legendary for peddling tripe like this, same horseshit for space exploration. They helped popularize the myth that thrusters can't work in a vacuum.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 02:28:29 UTC No. 16467884
>>16467156
It's literally in the dust that covers the entire planet.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 03:07:17 UTC No. 16467907
>>16467884
don't eat the dust then
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 03:07:21 UTC No. 16467908
>>16467884
Just bubble over part of it and clean the dirt in there lol. This stuff is not complicated
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 08:39:22 UTC No. 16468091
>>16464885
Same tier of dumb fuck that thought 44 billion for twitter was a "waste".
Controlling both legislative branches, the executive and the judicial is not waste.
He got it all for less than 1/2 what Soros spent trying to get it.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 09:23:13 UTC No. 16468111
It is humanity's destiny to ensure the continued existence of conscious life.
It's such a shame there are so many traitors amongst us.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 09:45:42 UTC No. 16468116
>>16467908
Are you going to magically boil it out of the air when planet wide dust storms start rolling in and hitting your settlements?
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 10:01:35 UTC No. 16468118
Assuming an incredibly optimistic cost of sending goods to mars of $10.000 per kilo how much money would it cost to establish and sustain a Mars base?
I also assume no one will try to build anything, a base should be located inside some large cave and the only construction ought to be a series of gates.
To bring a million tons of supplies would cost 10 trillion dollars. This is required for construction equipment, a few nuclear reactors, vehicles. I dont see mars ever beibg able to have a complex manufacturing industry but they could be setup to manufacture expensive steel for construction and food. The equipment and spare parts would have to be sent.
1 million tons is the weight of a skyscraper. Insane? You have to do some heavy construction.
Cost would be 10 trillion dollars at least.
Thats 10% of the global GDP. Humanity could do it by agreeing to spend 0.5% of global GDP over a 20 year period.
Its up to the elites to decide this.
Imagine a base with 2000 people, getting 50 kilos of supplies each day, 100 tons a day, spare parts for the nuclear reactor, a new rover, something new each day.
500 million dollars a day
Like 0.2% of Earth's GDP
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 10:27:53 UTC No. 16468126
>>16463043
>let's stay on Earth until the Sun burns out because we risk killing some irrelevant microbes
>>16463470
If we can't get a person to mars before 2050 then humanity has some serious competency problems
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 11:39:51 UTC No. 16468165
>>16468118
>$10k/kg
anon...
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 11:43:36 UTC No. 16468168
>>16468165
too cheap?
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 11:46:15 UTC No. 16468170
>>16468168
you're off by a few orders of magnitude
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 13:42:24 UTC No. 16468255
>>16463440
>So anyone who want to send living people to die on a lifeless hunk of rock is a death cult.
Yes.
>but whatabout people who...
Not an argument.
>>16463532
>Why do you never use this logic when people spend their time and money on watching sportsball games? Or playing video games? Or scrolling TikTok? Are these peope helping the planet?
For 3 reasons:
1) At least those people are having fun, which by itself increases mankind's well-being by an amount that's at least above zero (as it is in the case of space colonization)
2) Those people are spending their own money, not mine.
3) Those people are not virtue signaling about how much their playing videogames will somehow make mankind progress toward some kind of glorious utopia
>>16463631
>Anyone against paying even more money to build a fancy space-resort for the jews is a traitor to mankind
more like a traitor to subhumans like you
>>16463717
This. Space colonization is literally globohomo soience, except for chuds.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 18:15:27 UTC No. 16468480
>>16467121
And those microbes, much like a rare amazonian tree frog, server little to no purpose for mankind.
That being said, if you want to personally conduct a mission to mars/amazon to collect these creatures to keep as pets, go ahead. Just don't demand the government does it for you or prevents other people doing greater things.
Rare amazonian tree frogs actually have viable uses. They tend to have very interesting skin secretions, often alkaloids that can manipulate vertebrate heart and nervous system, compounds that are extremely virulent against fungi and even their skin structure often is destructive to bacteria. I think it was the dendrobates that turned out to have spikes on the cellular level that act like copper and silver at the nano scale and tear bacteria cells up on contact
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:38:50 UTC No. 16468702
>>16468111
>t.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 20:42:36 UTC No. 16468705
>>16467125
>Nobody's stopping you buying some old growth forest and keeping it as a pet
It’s a bit hard to keep a forest that’s already been chopped down
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 21:14:08 UTC No. 16468727
>>16463043
>NOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN BARON WASTELAND PLANET DEVOID OF LIFE YOU CAN'T J-JUST ADVANCE HUMAN CIVILIZATION LIKE THAT REEEEEEEE
The biggest thing holding humanity back is the mainstream "experts" religion of thou MUST protect everything at all costs and have minimal impact on every environment we encounter.
It's the idea that we're better of being 99.9% safe rather than 90% safe plus 10% risk. The 10% risk is what moves the needle, we just have to stop listening to these fucking pussies.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 21:21:54 UTC No. 16468737
>>16463043
Implying anyone will ever survive the trip.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 01:15:14 UTC No. 16469064
>>16468702
I see exhibit A has willingly presented himself.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 03:22:10 UTC No. 16469168
>>16463043
How do you "ruin" a currently 100% useless wasteland that no one even thought about until groups like spaces considered colonizing it?
Such a massive fucking cope, and I don't say that lightly. Andrew Coates sounds like a tremendous faggot.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 05:54:58 UTC No. 16469285
>>16463043
Funny enough we 'need' to pollute the great living crap out of Mars to terraform it to becoming a livable environment for humans. Fuck the microbes when we can jump start a semi decent earth-like colony by pumping China-amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere via production of usable materials found on that planet and hydrogen electrolysis refineries.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 05:56:32 UTC No. 16469287
>>16468170
so its like 10 dollars a kilo?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 06:05:10 UTC No. 16469297
>>16469287
probably 10x that for Mars but yeah
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:31:15 UTC No. 16469464
>>16463187
This.
Further if we happen upon lifeless place that could theoretically support it then we, as spacefaring sapients, ought to seed life there.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:39:59 UTC No. 16469469
>>16463548
Terraforming is pie-in-the-sky for sure.
Creating a breeding settlement of humans is also pretty unlikely.
You'd need to engineer a self-sufficient closed system, but at such a small scale it would be horribly sensitive.
Building a outpost with a rotating staff is possible, but why do it?
Collecting material samples? Performing geographical surveys? On-site analysis? Straight-up resource acquisition?
The scientific value seems shallow for the effort.
The economic value... seems easier to acquire elsewhere.
Maybe just being able to say we can do it is enough reason?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 13:50:23 UTC No. 16469584
>>16469469
>at such a small scale it would be horribly sensitive.
thats what she said
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:29:34 UTC No. 16469614
>He already ruined the feelings of millions of Americans, imagine what he could do to Mars!!!
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:47:17 UTC No. 16469684
>>16464885
Yes we are, we create massive acre upon acre sterile greenhouses to grow hydroponic vegetables under led lighting so that grocery stores have tomatoes year around. We have the technology
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:49:10 UTC No. 16469686
>>16464915
We have found life feasting on radioactive decay inside naturally occurring nuclear reactors and in Chernobyl. Not just bacteria, but fucking fungi using radiation to shuttle electrons akin to photosynthesis
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:53:02 UTC No. 16469690
>>16468118
Musk r/n is putting stuff into space for 1200 a kg. Like you can pay him and he will ship it right now.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:55:24 UTC No. 16469691
>>16469469
How is it a closed system? You can literally drive out to the Marian dunes and mine more of what ever the fuck you need
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:56:31 UTC No. 16469692
Are the perchlorate all bound with oxygen or do they have nitrogen too?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 16:32:10 UTC No. 16469712
Mars.
Raw materials everywhere.
Non-issues on Mars:
>chemical waste
>heavy metal waste
>spent nuclear fuel
>the (indoor) carbon dioxide that is slowly lowering global IQ rn
>plastic waste
>predators (other than an occassional crazed human (probably rare and quickly dealt with)
>if you're /x/ then spirits and ghosts
>seasonal flu because who's gonna infect you with a new strain in an isolated population of 1k or so
>smoke (pack your cigs boyos!)
>corpses (toss them outside)
>idiots
Okay maybe not idiots, but the rest applies.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 16:34:20 UTC No. 16469714
>>16469712
They'll probably land and die the same day retard
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 16:39:36 UTC No. 16469719
>>16469714
See >>16467162
>James town didnt go well either yet the USA exists quite well
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 19:56:58 UTC No. 16469890
>>16468091
>He got it all for less than 1/2 what Soros spent trying to get it.
That is the crazy thing about Elon. He does strange things, people complain it is stupid, yet somehow he ends up winning every time. Is it his power level?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 20:42:23 UTC No. 16469932
>>16469712
>raw materials
Yeah man we're gonna have so much useless toxic dust right at our fingertips
>chemical waste
Mars comes prepolluted. The air is toxic, the sunlight is toxic, the dirt is toxic.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 20:49:26 UTC No. 16469941
>>16463187
/thread
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:19:08 UTC No. 16469974
>>16469932
>Mars comes prepolluted. The air is toxic, the sunlight is toxic, the dirt is toxic.
So was ur ex and yet u still wish she was with u chump
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:57:38 UTC No. 16470021
>>16469974
That's not a very nice thing to say about your own mother
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 22:20:35 UTC No. 16470039
>the ship you need to get to Mars would supersede ever needing to land on Mars
>retards still go on about landing on Mars
This shit is so ass. Humans are never going to live on another planet. Humans are going to eventually develop a way to live permanently on spaceships. Eventually they may even develop ways to live within the vacuum of space itself.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 04:15:49 UTC No. 16470401
>>16467372
>AI will make all discoveries we possibly need
anon, the only thing we need living microbes for is to check their dna or equivalent
if it doesn't match ours, that's spooky
if it does match ours, we can estimate how long ago we had a common ancestor
we can then get mommy AI to tell us the implications
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 05:16:26 UTC No. 16470443
>>16463372
mold will definitely catch a ride. mold is everywhere. The ISS is filled with it.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 05:55:36 UTC No. 16470462
>>16469690
its likely to cost more to go to mars.
>>16469712
>Raw materials everywhere.
Good for making steel and rocket fuel but all machinery has to be sent from earth. Any economy on Mars will be simple and not self-sustaining. The goal is to minimize the shipments to items of higher value and make bulky items of low value in Mars, such as food and steel, which will still be extremely expensive compared to prices on earth
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:16:28 UTC No. 16470609
>>16470462
You're wrong.
There is an initial investment requirement which will produce exponential returns. You need very little equipment before manufacturing in space becomes cheaper than lifting equipment from Earth. Because Mars' gravity well is much shallower than Earty it also won't be long at all until you start seeing return on investment being sent to Earth.
I did my PhD designing chemical engineering production equipment on Mars. I can back this up with very precise numbers.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:23:13 UTC No. 16470614
>>16467121
>server little to no purpose for mankind.
Except the ones that cure cancers and act as super-antibiotics against the ultra resistant which we may never find because you are too buy trying to destroy the ecologies that harbor them instead of trying to study them.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:24:13 UTC No. 16470615
>>16467125
>There was no globohomo in the 1800s.
Bullshit, freemasonry has existed long before the 1800s.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:46:02 UTC No. 16470624
>>16463043
It's already ruined if you didn't notice doc
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:50:10 UTC No. 16470626
>>16470615
Freemasonry is not globohomo, it's always been globo yes (if the borders of Christendom was the globe), but not homo.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:04:47 UTC No. 16470630
>>16470626
Wrong, they have definitely had a long held goal of global standardization with a borderless one world government dictated by universal maritime laws because they believe the globe is the domain of some homo creator of all, not to mention all the gay orgies because they are as homo as homo gets in every sense of the word.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:10:55 UTC No. 16470632
>>16470630
>Wrong, they have definitely had a long held goal of global standardization with a borderless one world government dictated by universal maritime laws
For Christian Europeans, yes.
>because they believe the globe is the domain of some homo creator of all, not to mention all the gay orgies because they are as homo as homo gets in every sense of the word.
The whole "you just have to believe in some higher power homo" is a modernism that didn't exist before the 20th century.
They used to be exclusively Christian and hardly tolerated the schisms. The institution just got corrupted like everything since WW1 did.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:20:45 UTC No. 16470636
>>16463043
>200 billion+ planets in the milky way
>Death cultists want to put red tape on number 1
Yeah, it'd be sad to over-write whatever primitive fucked up life is on mars but we really don't have much time to get this show started.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:22:53 UTC No. 16470638
>>16470632
>For Christian Europeans, yes.
Do you just ignore massive historical events like the Crusades when they don't suit your argument or you are actually that ignorant to not even know about them?
>corrupted like everything since WW1
The schisms predate ww1 by centuries, Christianity has been measurable corrupt since the fall of the 2nd temple.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:40:20 UTC No. 16470647
>>16470609
Even with the shallower gravity well, what is on Mars that would be worth shipping back to Earth for sale? Please don't say novelty gifts.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:44:52 UTC No. 16470649
We should wait and see what Alyssa Carson has to say on the matter.
>“I think the University of Arkansas plays a huge role in my career goals,” Carson says. “I was really lucky to find a professor and research at the U of A that I’m passionate about and excited to pursue.” As a doctoral student working with Kral, Carson’s research centers on Mars – and whether certain types of bacteria can survive and grow in Mars’s atmosphere.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 12:13:13 UTC No. 16470668
>>16470638
>Do you just ignore massive historical events like the Crusades when they don't suit your argument or you are actually that ignorant to not even know about them?
What do you mean?
The Crusades are not relevant to anything I said. They were neither globo nor homo, simply reclaiming lands that, at that point in time, was a part of Christianity for 700 out of the last 1000 years and before that it belonged to the Greeks for another 500 years.
Fighting to protect and restore European lands has nothing to do with globohomo.
>The schisms predate ww1 by centuries,
The Lutheran based Christian schisms are not relevant to the overly inclusive modernist schisms of Freemasonry. Lutheranism is far more anti-homo if anything than Catholocism.
>Christianity has been measurable corrupt since the fall of the 2nd temple.
Fuck off you dumb LARPing kike, Kike structures have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity which is a Europeanized religion ultimately stemming from Sumerian creation myths predating both Egypt and Hebrews who stole it from them. Trying to imply otherwise is in itself a globohomo modernism.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 12:17:55 UTC No. 16470670
>>16470668
>durr all the globe spanning attempts at homogeneity don't count because I don't want to be wrong
>hurr all the schisms that prove me wrong don't count either
For the record, the original is the The Great Schism, where orthodoxy was abandoned, not the the protestant ones and beyond where the schisms just evolved.
>Kike structures have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity
Rome and its fall due to widespread corruption after adopting Christianity definitely does count, though.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 13:00:32 UTC No. 16470703
>>16470670
>The Great Schism, where orthodoxy was abandoned
I know, these are uninteresting to us as well in this thread as it has nothing to do with Freemasonry.
In the time period we are talking about Orthos were mostly dead already or hanging on by on a thread behind the walls of Constantinople.
>Rome and its fall due to widespread corruption after adopting Christianity
>after adopting Christianity
Rome was declining before that, but I do agree with you that was the nail in the coffin for Ancient Rome. That being said the 9th century revival is the ultimate source of all great institutions of our modern world (universities, scholarship, the mathematized profession of engineering etc.).
>definitely does count, though.
The only relevant institution surviving the collapse of the Roman Empire is the office of the Pontiff. This is a continuous institution which dates based even to even Ancient Republican times and started with worship based on the old Gods evolving to the cult of Sol Invictus and eventually ending with the new Christian religion based New Testament (originally written in _Greek_ and therefore an Indo-European religion through and through). On any given facet of Christianity studying this institution (and its influences from other Indo-European religions) is far more relevant to Christianity in the high medieval period (including all its tenants and traditions; the concept of the immortal soul and heaven, the concept of sin and Hell, its traditions like Christmas, Easter, etc.).
In any case, the further you move back, ironically the more globohomo it all gets. Freemasonry was founded in the low point of both globo and homo ideas. It is a pan-Christian movement yes, but during a time when Western Europe had the only viable Christian states.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 13:51:10 UTC No. 16470744
>>16470647
Actually afaik no one is planning to ship back goods from Mars directly to Earth.
The benefit of Mars is to aid in the industrialisation of space, i.e. the entire solar system, not just Mars. Mars provides a cheaper source of fissible materials (e.g. it contains more surface Uranium and Thorium than we have on Earth), propellant (produced from water in the poles) basic construction material (refined from regolith). This allows for the construction if cheap manufacturing facilities to build at first reactors and then miners, probes, energy infrastructure and finally launch sites. This will allow us to build cheap infrastructure in Martian orbit which in turn allows us to cheaply probe and mine the asteroid belt. Here is where the ROI for Earth finally comes in: a near infinite source of high purity PGMs (worth trilions). Bringing the PGMs back to Earth will revolutionize many industries by bringing down the price of these materials: the market for them is virtually endless in the form of catalysts, engineering materials etc.
They are amazing to use in everything from renewable energy generation to high value strong, lightweight material applications. The main limitation from an engineering perspective is their price.
All of this from the first landing on Mars to the amortization is only 6 years. Only 2 years longer than the average manufacturing plant investment on Earth.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 16:57:28 UTC No. 16470992
>>16470609
>PhD designing chemical engineering production equipment on Mars
interesting!
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:29:03 UTC No. 16471106
>>16470744
is there any way to read your dissertation? understand if you dont want to give away your identity though. it would just be interesting. maybe there are related papers not by yourself that you could link to covering similar ground?
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:35:47 UTC No. 16471112
>>16471106
It's not published in public domain yet anyway, I only defended only a few weeks ago.
I will shill it twitter relentlessly when that happens, but yeah sorry not gonna post the title here to protect privacy.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:34:26 UTC No. 16471164
>>16471112
>not gonna post the title here to protect privacy.
yep, totally understand. might come across it some time and think of you lol
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:40:55 UTC No. 16471227
>>16470443
The ISS also has humans aboard
you can't sterilize the surface of humans like you can sterilize a chunk of steel
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 21:41:28 UTC No. 16471286
>>16471227
>like you can sterilize a chunk of steel
100% sterilization of steel is a statistical impossibility anyway.
See literally any biochemical engineering textbook.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:20:19 UTC No. 16471319
>>16463056
>THINK OF THE HECKIN MICROBES, BIGOT!
they future is grim
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:22:33 UTC No. 16471323
>>16463393
Why is it whenever I see a discussion about musk online, some faggot is projecting his fantasies about gay sex?
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:57:43 UTC No. 16471359
>>16470744
I think your timeline is optimistic to say the least, given orbital transfer windows. Also needs to have all red tape cut and let capitalists start mogging the red planet unhindered. I just don't see that happening, at least not for a while. You would also need a laser sail network across the system. Chemical fuel not going to cut it given the quantities needed, massive energy to produce, dogshit travel times, rocket equation tyranny, aerobraking requirements due to lack of dv, etc etc etc. Laser power has been increasing faster than moores law so this will be viable very soon. Chemical rockets will be like the covered wagons to the laser sail networks railway. I think we will see railway fever again, get your buys in asap.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:28:55 UTC No. 16471389
>>16463056
My god, Martian Microbes are now the designated Theoretically Oppressed Minority.
Expect Microbe Hip Hop, Spicy Microbe Tacos, and Mic-rapist-obes refugees that will flood our planet, all while the opposition will cry out.
>I don't see Microbes. I see doctors, lawyers, nuclear scientists...
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 00:52:18 UTC No. 16471459
>NOOO HE'S GONNA BRING COVID TO MARS!
>WITH NO MAGNETIC FIELD HOW WILL THE VIRUSES RECEIVE INSTRUCTIONS FROM BILL GATES?
>FLAT EARTH, SAVE ME! AAAA
the fucking media illiteracy of journalists
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 21:31:34 UTC No. 16472414
>>16471359
Why you have the mindset of a serf? Your overlords can't touch you Mars Anon. There is no red tape in space.
And in any case Trump won so this won't be a problem at all. You will people supporting you not hindering you.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 23:56:30 UTC No. 16472581
>>16468118
>To bring a million tons of supplies would cost 10 trillion dollars
Good think Elon can and will carry on scamming the DIE hires of NASA into giving him govt bucks. Pay of up pay pig! You're the one who want's government intervention in our lives.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 23:59:55 UTC No. 16472584
>>16471359
>Also needs to have all red tape cut and let capitalists start mogging the red planet unhindered.
feds don't want this; biden regime tried to stop elon's starship, they fear a mars colony declaring independence. Remember how the feds acted last time states tried to secede from the union (over taxes of course!).
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:03:55 UTC No. 16472589
>>16469932
you understand men won't be wandering the surface in shorts and a hawaiian top?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:05:16 UTC No. 16472590
>>16467884
>dust can't be removed
Is this really beyond leftist "scientists"?
You are not human.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:06:55 UTC No. 16472594
>>16469932
>>16468116
why do you think people will be breathing 1kPa 90% -30f martian air? where has this obsession developed?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:01:17 UTC No. 16472964
Fuck these hand-wringing cretins. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 08:54:06 UTC No. 16473147
>>16472594
Why do you think people will actually be able to live on a planet where they can't even breathe the air or touch the dirt?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 19:54:39 UTC No. 16473774
Musktards getting destroyed.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 20:12:25 UTC No. 16473796
>>16463043
I disagree with the prof but we decide that fucking Elon out of all people to spearhead a mission to Mars. To him, it's must be like another capitalistic venture. we should put someone more qualified (and less ill-intentioned) in charge.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 20:21:45 UTC No. 16473809
>>16468116
>boil it out of the air
What does this even mean??
>>16473796
>someone more qualified
Like who?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 20:31:35 UTC No. 16473815
>>16473809
>What doss this even mean??
It was a snarky remark to someone who said that perchlorate exposure could be eliminated by simply boilling water.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 20:34:35 UTC No. 16473817
>>16470636
We have like 500 million years bare minimum before the sun begins to die and we have to think about doing this.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 21:27:23 UTC No. 16473876
>>16473815
perchlorate exposure cannot be prevented
it can, however, be cleaned up, and our bodies are generally tolerant of small quantities of perchlorate
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 21:35:22 UTC No. 16473887
>>16463187
Based
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 09:12:08 UTC No. 16474540
>>16464933
Who cares?
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 09:52:14 UTC No. 16474556
>>16463043
Sure, Mars would be ruined if the Musk and his sycophants followed him there.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 11:44:56 UTC No. 16474630
>>16474556
You're correct.
The only people allowed to travel to outer space should be African Americans, as a form of reparations.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:00:28 UTC No. 16474654
>>16463056
A big step in human exploration cock blocked by a fucking germ.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:02:01 UTC No. 16474655
>>16474630
We should send as many niggers off planet as possible
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:05:13 UTC No. 16474660
>>16474655
>send nigges into the sun
>have an Ai generate videos of niggers shooting eachother on mars
>"Sorry LaSheeta but your son Wazkangus died in a gang related event"
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:28:15 UTC No. 16474684
>>16474630
Also because weak pale skin literally falls off the flesh within that intensity of solar radiation.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 16:23:00 UTC No. 16474907
>>16474684
you've never seen a black person with a sunburn before, have you
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 20:09:54 UTC No. 16475171
>>16463043
It's a nonsense concern. You have to *send stuff* to Mars to know if there is life there. It doesn't matter what you send, the risks of contamination are the same. And humans are going to be more efficient, pound for pound, dollar for dollar, at finding that life.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 13:08:15 UTC No. 16476033
>>16473147
they did it on the moon, the practically do it in the polar regions
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 13:09:32 UTC No. 16476035
>>16473815
>perchlorate exposure could be eliminated by simply boilling water.
perchlorates in the dirt. If your using the dirt for something indoors, wash out the perchlorate with water or another solvent. Recycle the solvent by distilation