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๐Ÿงต What does it mean for a society to "deskill" itself?

Anonymous No. 16464064

With all the talk of "the competency crisis" floating around on the Internet I got curious: what causes a society to become incapable of maintaining itself and repeating things it has done in the past?
Are the alarmists just scaremomgering?

Anonymous No. 16464083

>system creates safety measures
>this prevents catastrophies to happen
>society feels safe for a while
>midwits midwitting take it for granted
>don't aware of anything
>think safety measures are useless and a waste of money since catastrophies do not happen

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Anonymous No. 16464089

>>16464064
competency crisis is mostly caused by unqualified people in goverment institutions altering school system to suit arbitrary useless metrics like
>diversity
>equality
>no child left behind
and a bit by greedy capitalism system where a lot of corporations prefer short term gains over long term sustainability. for example they will rather fire older skilled worker and hire 2 newbies for same cost. also a lot of corporations have completely useless human resources departments, where they dont understand the concept of junior job and think that experts with 10 years experience in the field will work for minimum wage.

TLDR schools dont teach anymore, corporations dont train employees anymore and suddenly you have incompetence pandemics

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bodhi No. 16464095

>>16464064

Anonymous No. 16464226

>>16464064
Unlikely in the US which is a shining city on the hill. Other places will suffer brain drain, not the US

Anonymous No. 16464275

>>16464064
nothing really its another fake y2k scare.

even the most complicated systems are easy to figure out nowadays.

Anonymous No. 16464280

>>16464226
Meanwhile tens of millions of the third world bottom dwellers are flooding in but since they didn't come in through legal channels, you pretend that they don't exist. For every "smart" software developer from India churning out Java Spring code, there are dozens of Central Americans with no skills showing up with the expectation of being given resources and a say in how things are run.

Anonymous No. 16464284

>>16464064
we don't "need" that knowledge anymore
like how you don't need a smith nowadays
you don't need people that know how to work steel at a "master" level... until you do

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>>16464064
The same thing that gets you banned here.
Now stop noticing, goy.

Anonymous No. 16464445

>>16464064
competence crisis is artificially created by people in power
it happens because they want to extract every last drop of value out of everything at the cost of lonevity of the system
they do it in preparation for the final push of creating eternal slave race out of 99% of the population

Anonymous No. 16464879

>>16464064
We are fucked because we're going to run out of cheap energy in the next few decades.
we are so fucked. climate change ain't nothing compared to the energy crisis which normies are completely are unaware of and the media never talks about.

we don't have enough fossil energy left to build a nuclear reactor for every couple of cities in the world. fusion is a pipedream scam.

Anonymous No. 16465279

>>16464095
>crudely quantitative priapic character
lmao he admits it. this whole things a cope for ytboiz losing to bbc

Anonymous No. 16465285

>>16464280
some day a real rain will come and wash all the garbage off the streets.

Anonymous No. 16465332

>>16464064
It's going to be all ran by AI unironcally, I'm already seeing this in my work where normies are using AI to create policy documents used to interact with other organisations.

Anonymous No. 16465335

>>16464064
E.g., Boeing

Anonymous No. 16465346

>>16464083
It's why Rule #1 in safety is "don't get comfortable". Most accidents occur because you take shit for granted and get too comfortable working around shit that isn't safe.

Anonymous No. 16465390

>>16464280
Unskilled people existing dont ake skilled people disappear. And smart people only get to use their skills if theres unskilled people to do the backbreaking physical labor that still has to be done. Those manual laborers have an intellect well suited to their jobs anyway, a match made in heaven.

Anonymous No. 16465399

>>16465390
>Unskilled people existing dont ake skilled people disappear.
Sure? I hear research and developmenrt funding is being redirected to save new countrymen. The funding for the highly educated is evaporating and in some countries such as France jobs are being defunded and redirected.
The problem is real and it is here, now.

Anonymous No. 16465404

>>16465399
>I hear research and developmenrt funding is being redirected to save new countryme
Just doesnt happen. Day laborers just add labor and take very little from the system as they are paid low wages. Without them the smart people would have to mop the floors.
Perhaps you are confusing hispanics with american blacks, hispanics are notorious hard workers

Anonymous No. 16465447

>>16465399
>and in some countries such as France
i was talking about the US, a shining city on the hill where all the smart people migrate to.

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Anonymous No. 16465466

>>16464064
>"the competency crisis"

Look to present day Africa... Zimbabwe, South Africa, etc. Skilled competent Whites left, incompetent Blacks are unable to keep the basics of a modern civilization running.

Anonymous No. 16465500

>>16465466
>teaching union
add it to the list

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Stop guessing start learning No. 16465538

>>16464064
Overcomplexity.

Nature is simple humans are simple.

Adding all this complexity requires an abundance of knowledge that isn't normal for people to aquire.

Semiconductor photo lithography is so complex and hard make the fab machines because.

You have to understand

optics
Electromagnetism
Integrated circuits
Chemistry and material science
Physics

Mathematics

And economics to create a price efficiency to scale production on the supply side and maintain consumer demand on the price side(cheap products)

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Stop guessing start learning No. 16465542

>>16465538
I may add also that once someone dies that has this knowledge the complexity could be so great that people just can't figure out how it works

Anonymous No. 16465545

>>16464064
My generation, as a whole, is NOT ready to enter to workforce. The average genZ-er has the mindset, and corresponding competence, of an eleven year old.

II hope to God that AI comes in time to save us, because we are NOT what the previous two generations were, much less the ones that built the industrial world. The people coming into adulthood today are not ready for self-determination, they need parents to look after them, and AI will hopefully be able to fill that role once their actual parents can not.

Also, society is mostly brown now.

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Stop guessing start learning No. 16465548

>>16465545
Ai won't save you.

Good luck.

Anonymous No. 16465895

>>16465542
>I may add also that once someone dies that has this knowledge the complexity could be so great that people just can't figure out how it works
Pretty typical when things dont get properly documented but also not a real problem as things get reinvented all the time. The typical research that gets lost is things like optimized production parameters like temperatures, chemical mix ratios and minor shit that can be researched in a few months time. Often these things just dont get documented for job security.
Or they are overblown. Consider how allegedly NASA forgot how to make rockets, it doesnt matter as the knowledge still exists, obviously many countries can make rockets that can go to space and now private companies make them as well, the "loss of knowledge" was fixed by just hiring a team of engineers to develop things again.

Anonymous No. 16465902

>>16465545
>The people coming into adulthood today are not ready for self-determination, they need parents to look after them
Ok Irving

Anonymous No. 16465983

Everyone keeps blaming DEI when the real problem is the decline in the rigor of high school and college education due to grad inflation among other things.

Anonymous No. 16466291

>>16465983
>due to grad inflation
and grade inflation is because giving failing grades to negroes is verboten

Anonymous No. 16466414

>>16464064
>outsource complex jobs like manufacturing to other countries
>hire immigrants to become doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc. Because they are dirt cheap and you donโ€™t have to train them
>meanwhile your own institutions and infrastructure rot, and your native populace turns to the service industry
Itโ€™s way overblown by chud fear mongering (โ€œIโ€™m incompetent = everyone isโ€) but there is a pearl of truth there.

๐Ÿ—‘๏ธ Anonymous No. 16466445

>>16464064
just look at this thread of /pol/tards and answer it to yourself.
the end is near.
shrug

Anonymous No. 16466468

>>16464064
>Are the alarmists just scaremomgering?
No. I wish they were but skill failure is everywhere to be seen, people insist on not staying abreast of their fields. They did it this way for 30 years and they shall continue so, just don't dare to tell them there are better ways. The ever growing complexities mean normies give up on keeping up to date. So we have a competency crisis that is fuelled by complacency crisis.

Hot take: why do you think Elon is forging ahead while the industries he paved over had som much more "experts"?

Anonymous No. 16466513

niggers

Anonymous No. 16466516

>>16466445
reddit

Anonymous No. 16466533

>>16465983
>the decline in the rigor of high school and college education due to grad inflation among other things.
STEM is far more rigorous than it has ever been. A third year undergraduate student of physics today is at the level of a PhD student from the 1920s.

Anonymous No. 16466542

>>16464064
>Are the alarmists just scaremomgering?
Yes. "Competency Crisis" isn't real and never was real. People are unironically more competent, knowledgeable and better educated than ever thanks to the internet and the global interconnectivity of the economy and trade. It's just retards unable to compete and keep up with the rapid progress of knowledge that screech.

Anonymous No. 16467101

>Are the alarmists just scaremomgering?
Book a plane ticket to Johannesburg and let me know what you think.

Anonymous No. 16467103

>>16465279
Worked out pretty well in Zimbabwe when they kicked out all their white farmers and subsequently starved to death

Anonymous No. 16467106

>>16465404
>take very little from the system
Considering that the housing and wages of these scab labourers is taxpayer subsidized, that's simply untrue.

Anonymous No. 16467109

>>16465983
>everyone keeps blaming DEI when the real problem is DEI

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Anonymous No. 16467117

>>16466291
In my experience, women of all races are the ones that complain about classes being too hard. Blacks just don't turn in assignments.
>>16466533
I admit I know nothing about the education level in the 20s, but an undergrad education is less rigorous than it was in the 50s and 60s. I do know that grad students in the 20s would have been much more self-directed than they are today.
>>16467109
DEI has nothing to do with high schools and affirmative action has existed for years without the drop in competency we've seen recently.


The real issue is that America is addicted to immigration. Since we can ship in talent from other countries, we believe it's not necessary to train our own. Picrel talked about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIYwryWSwm4

Anonymous No. 16467189

>>16466516
why did you feel adressed?
answer: you knew its true and it offended you.
only possible answer here and a nice proof to what I posted.

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Anonymous No. 16467190

But for a fleeting moment in time
....we created a lot of value for shareholders.


Time. To die.

Anonymous No. 16467216

>>16467106
>Considering that the housing and wages of these scab labourers is taxpayer subsidized,
If its not paid with taxes it has to paid with wages, its all the same. Any worker requires material support to be able to work, the same would be true for a literal slave. Theres a material cost in keeping a human being alive.
People need food and medical care if they are meant to work. And if you want their kids to work too, you have to pay for that too.
I'm talking from a "big system" perspective, day laborers simple take very little from the rest of the economy, just the bare bones required for their material needs which is physically required if they are going to supply labor
>but they take more tax than they pay
Same point, if they dont get paid enough in wages, they get paid with subsidies, they get paid by the rest of the economy. The labor they supply is far more valuable than what they take, which is the same for all wage labor in general.

Anonymous No. 16469033

>>16467117
>affirmative action has existed for years without the drop in competency we've seen recently.
it took a while for the problems affirmative action causes to take hold and become obvious.

Anonymous No. 16469059

>>16464064
It's what happens when you totally land on the moon several times and you shoot these cool boring movies and then suddenly you forget everything and you never get there again.

Anonymous No. 16470781

>>16464064
When wealth started flowing in to Spain, people stopped working, went for consumption, and created a demand that French and German craftsmen supplied to. Local competence went out of the window. One historian claimed that is the reason why Spain, 500 years later, still has problems.

๐Ÿ—‘๏ธ Anonymous No. 16470903

FUCK, OFF /pol/!
>>>/pol/

Anonymous No. 16471539

>>16465390
>Unskilled people existing dont ake skilled people disappear.

Unskilled people existing do commit homicides.

Criminals are historically those with the most reason to illegally migrate.

Anonymous No. 16471554

>>16464064
Outsourcing skilled manufacturing. Demanding services for things the average person should be capable of doing. Forcing schools to teach irrelevant knowledge to borderline retards.
>wearing structural gear to a brush fire

Anonymous No. 16471691

>>16471539
>Unskilled people existing do commit homicides.
Crime is done by criminals, not by unskilled laborers. Start by jailing black people if you want a big reduction in murder rates and leave unskilled workers for the next phase but that alone will solve 70% of the problem

Anonymous No. 16472225

>>16464064
>Are the alarmists just scaremomgering?
No, the problem is very real:
https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Stagnation

Anonymous No. 16472245

competence crisis is just niggers

Anonymous No. 16472610

>>16471691
>Crime is done by criminals, not by unskilled laborers

Do you really not see how unskilled people, that may not speak the language or understand local culture, could be at high risk of turning to criminality due to those circumstances? Especially in a society that idolizes wealth and envy.

Anonymous No. 16473020

>>16472610
>could be at high risk of turning to criminality due to those circumstances?
I see the risk but you know who actually commit crime? Criminals, and crime is already illegal so just jail criminals, not people "at risk" of becoming criminals.
And if you just want to prevent all crime in advance, just jail everyone. Literally send everyone to jail, lock it and too the key out so no one can open the cell.
Then there wont be any crime.

Anonymous No. 16473207

>>16465279
priapism = fucking everything you see, not "having le big penis" (this is an idea not compatible with reality, by the way)

Anonymous No. 16474150

>>16473020
>Criminals, and crime is already illegal so just jail criminals

Illegally crossing the border is a crime.

Anonymous No. 16474163

>>16464089
>no child left behind
this is a big one
12 years of school and the 17-year old coming out of it can barely read.
Do you know how smart someone should be after 12 years of real schooling? They should be able to run a business but instead they're only supposed to do pathetic menial labor for $8/hr

You can see this in schools. Older professors are hardasses and you actually have to learn things in their classes. Younger professors just let everything slide and grade as generously as possible to compensate for their inability to teach.

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Anonymous No. 16474860

>>16474163
>compensate for their inability to teach
it is not that younger teachers cannot teach, in fact i would argue they have access to tools older generations didnt have like stealing animations from youtube or textbooks from anna archive. teaching about probability of electron being there or there is easier when you have it in spinning animation showing all probabilities, instead of rigid textbook with zero images.

the issue is that if young teacher will fail kids in his class, the parents will complain to the principal that the teacher is bad, instead of beating their kids to give them motivation to learn.

older teachers already have credentials in their CVs so they no longer have to give a fuck. young teacher with blank CV cannot afford to go against the system, he needs to polish the door handles to avoid starvation.

Anonymous No. 16475205

>>16473207
priapism isn't fucking everything you see, it's having a non-stop erection

Anonymous No. 16475240

>>16470903
OP made no mention of politics or race, you liberal niggerfaggot.

Anonymous No. 16475257

>>16465983
Future historians will regard racial integration as one of the primary driving factors of the West's pending societal collapse. We tried integrating lower races and treating them like anyone else, they failed. We tried giving them special attention while keeping the standards high, they failed. So we gave up and just lowered the standards for everyone until it was down to a level where they no longer failed.

Anonymous No. 16475289

>>16475257
I think it's an experiment made by aliens.

They found Earth and are debating on how contacting us would go.

"Ayyyy lmao why don't we make the human contact the bottom feeder niggers and try to help them and we'll see a reflection of our own outcome in their interaction"

In a hundred years the Voyager probe will fly past a huge red sign facing outwards that say "don't contact, space niggers beyond this point "

Anonymous No. 16475470

>>16464064
You can think of computers.
The first users had to tinker with it to have them bend to their will and eventually built tools to make the process easier and more reproducible. Eventually these processes became the norm and now most people are so used to comfortable and overengineered UI/UX that they actually cant use a computer anymore.

Although the comparison with IT is flawed since this field pays extremely well and millions flock to study it, but in other fields that are at the other end of the CS brain drain, you have boomers with exceptionally rare and critical knowledge dying with no heir.

Anonymous No. 16475786

>>16474150
>Illegally crossing the border is a crime.
So then legalize crossing the border and there wont be any more "crossing the border crime"

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Anonymous No. 16475792

>>16474150
Crossing the border and becoming an american citizen used to be as easy as just showing up.
Just show up and register, now you are a citizen.
Tons of people hated it and everyone wanted the laws to be changed, initially by the original angloamericans but then the immigrant themselves that wanted to be the last to be let in.
Yet, it was still legal until the laws were changed so all you have to do to stop illegal immigration is to change the laws.
If you want to make a case that immigrants have a greater propensity to be criminals, that is something you can say without mixing it up with the legality of immigration. Black-americans are completely legal and have been more time in the americas than most europeans, yet they are a criminal subhuman race that commits 10 times more crime than a recent ukranian fresh off the boat.
All im saying is no one cares about your dumb rhetoric, you are coming off as a coward and a faggot for mincing words like that and hiding under the technicalities of immigration, as if you were a cop or a lawyer.

Anonymous No. 16475796

>>16475257
>We tried integrating lower races and treating them like anyone else, they failed. We tried giving them special attention while keeping the standards high, they failed.
Whos we? The media has fanned social grievances since mass media was a thing. Black gangster culture is something that is only learned through media, you dont really see those things in Africa and were non-existent in rural blacks that had no access to media.
Not saying blacks are not naturally violent, but that specifically they get brainwashed with a culture that explicitly encourages them to be violent, along with many other trappings like a whole gangster lore manufactured for blacks

Anonymous No. 16475803

>>16475792
That's anon's "rhetoric" is literally fact. If you commit a crime, you are by definition a criminal. You're projecting heavily, accusing anon of playing word games while you're playing word games. Also your understanding of history is complete shit. The US has gone through many periods of high immigration and low immigration, with most of pre-1980s 20th century being a low immigration period.
High immigration periods had a purpose, and of course not everyone agreed with that purpose. When the purpose was obsolete, immigration would be reduced. Unfortunately in the current age the purpose is to drive down wages and to select the electorate, something those in power have an endless taste for and the latter preventing the incumbent population from being able to stop through democratic means.
What's funny is eventually your dedication to self indulgent ideology and luxury beliefs is going to cause the environment around you to decay to the point your life will be endless suffering until its ugly end. And because your ideology demands there to be nowhere to escape from its corrosive effects, you yourself will be unable to escape.

Anonymous No. 16475818

>>16475803
>If you commit a crime, you are by definition a criminal.
Then just make immigration legal, hence the crime you are referring to gets immediately solved

Anonymous No. 16475820

>>16475803
>When the purpose was obsolete, immigration would be reduced.
Funny how immigration is the only act that needs to be labeled as illegal to be a crime.
No one would say theres such a thing as legal murder, or legal theft, or legal rape.
But with immigration, it need to be explicitly called "illegal immigration". Because on its own its clearly not a crime and it isnt, its a misdemeanor, a minor issue that leads to a fine or deportation and never considered a crime in the legal system.
You dont want immigration because of reasons that have nothing to do with the legalities of the immigration process. By the same token, you oppose legal immigration because you are simply against immigration

Anonymous No. 16476673

>>16475792
>just make murder legal, then you'll have less crime

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>>16464064
Rapid reduction in complexity.
Collapse.

Anonymous No. 16476710

>>16464083
>system creates safety measures
>without harsh negative selection, lower castes proliferate
>previous innovations are so overwhelmingly beneficial, complex society carries on with momentum.
>midwits overwhelm institutions, incorperate actively dysgenic practices into society (welfare, women's suffrage, etc), upper castes penalized to the gain of the lowest.
>groundbreaking innovations no longer made, established technology falls into disrepair as society lacks people smart enough to maintain it.
>society undergoes rapid reduction in complexity. Collapse.

Communism and other leftwing ideologies are a result of dysgenic breeding practices.

Anonymous No. 16476713

>>16464089
>unqualified people in goverment institutions altering school system
>He doesn't consider that government's ought not even be involved in education.

Anonymous No. 16476718

>>16464089
>greedy capitalism system where a lot of corporations prefer short term gains over long term sustainability
Encouraged by government meddling.
E.g banks, 200 years ago there was a robust department monitoring the saftey of a bank's investments. Today such departments have atrophied, the excuse is "Well the government mandates particular targets which keep our operations safe. So why bother checking things ourselves?".

Regulations reduce competition. Without competition, companies get sloppy because there's no need not to be.

Anonymous No. 16476721

>>16465466
genetic based problem. Technology & culture are downstream of genetics in the long term.

Anonymous No. 16476726

>>16465538
>It's that all the low hanging fruit has been picked!
wrong

Anonymous No. 16476740

>>16465542
>the complexity could be so great that people just can't figure out how it works
That holds true if the successors are dumber. The genetic component of intelligence is dropping, so this will happen unless that rate of change is reversed.

Anonymous No. 16476838

>>16464083
Reminds me of many many IT departments
>Why am I paying you? Everything is working fine.
>Why am I paying you, nothing is working right now!

Anonymous No. 16476847

>>16466533
>STEM is far more rigorous than it has ever been
Your whole post is so wrong that not even the opposite is true.
t. university lecturer

Anonymous No. 16476853

>>16476710
The lower classes had always made up the majority of society.

Anonymous No. 16476855

>>16466542
Dude, people don't learn to think anymore because of the Internet and especially because of AI. Pupils and students literally let ChatGPT do their homework, sometimes they don't even alter it. There is no thinking process involved anymore and people hardly think anymore. If you had witnessed the following generation do their thing you'd know were fucked.
There was also a recent study about "digital natives" showing that despite them growing up with the technology, they don't understand it at all.

Anonymous No. 16476865

>>16476855
If anything, it's evidence that nature > nurture.

Anonymous No. 16476880

>>16476865
How?

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Anonymous No. 16476896

>>16466542
>People are unironically more competent, knowledgeable and better educated than ever thanks to the internet and the global interconnectivity
Maybe in the upper levels of society with wealthy established older men. On the ground the newer generations of students are getting more and more fucked. Look at the children's slang:
>skibidi toilet
>rizz
>brain rot
>BRAIN ROT
Every child in America is forced to sit through twelve years of mandatory education and half of them can barely read after that.
Also "unironically" is a funny joke word but don't use it if you're trying to make a case for intelligence

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Anonymous No. 16476929

>>16476896
If you read "The Shallows" there and "Amusing Ourselves to Death" here then you get a takeaway lesson.
The primary driver for intelligence is books. "IQ" is a low level intelligence where it's just grasping patterns, taking things in quickly, like wittiness. There might be ways to train that but people chalk it up to genetics - it doesn't matter. The ability to understand large complex issues is done through literacy.
A non-fiction paragraph or chapter can list out any sort of complicated issue in an explanation that's thorough, consistent, and unchanging. Anyone having trouble grasping one part of a concept can revisit the area they're missing. This can happen at any pace, quickly or more slowly pending one's capability.
Instructors therefore are really just for helping slower students that can't sort it out independently, and providing encouragement through grades. You can't really teach people, you can only provide tools and motivation for them to teach themselves.
Anyway, share of time spent reading took a slight hit with radio, a large hit with television, but there was still a niche for hand-held alone time quiet entertainment. Now phones have cornered that out and the younger generations are totally absentmindedly lost.
Even fiction has it's merits. Doctor faggot will say fiction "builds empathy" but it really just enables your ability to retain information consistently. You'll take in new information through dialogue while still holding in the setting's appearance and character's pasts. Fiction is great training-wheels for non-fiction. Even if you think it has no merit otherwise, it imparts slightly different skills.
tl;dr literacy = skills. no books = no brains = no skills
read books nigga

Anonymous No. 16477204

>>16476673
>>just make murder legal, then you'll have less crime
Murder is a crime regardless of some legal code saying it is. But immigration only becomes illegal because some law says it is
This is why you have to add "illegal" to immigration to explain that its a crime, while you dont have to write something like "illegal murder" to make clear that murder is a crime.
Theres nothing criminal about immigration. And the illegal variant isnt a crime, its a misdemeanor.

Anonymous No. 16477229

>>16464064
>what causes a society to become incapable of maintaining itself and repeating things it has done in the past?
>invent engineering
>ship engineering to foreign countries because it's cheaper
>local engineering expertise dies because all the factories close and the skilled machinists now have to work in call centres
>also technological advances render older knowledge obsolete to the point nobody really knows the steps they took to get where they are today

Anonymous No. 16477281

>>16464064
>what causes a society to become incapable of maintaining itself and repeating things it has done in the past?
Cultural Marxism destroying Western Men and Western values.

Anonymous No. 16477287

>>16477204
What's the point of legal immigration if illegal immigration isn't a crime?

Anonymous No. 16477403

>>16477287
Its not a crime, its a misdemeanor, and only because a law was passed to make it so. Unlike acts such as murder, theft or rape which are near universally seen as criminal regardless of some law saying they are so
Thats why you dont have to write "illegal murder" because its redundant.
Illegal immigration is as illegal as illegal rainwater collecting or illegal misgendering.