Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 23:41:31 UTC No. 16467733

>>16467669
>rolling back all the modern scientific progress in agriculture
They'd have to apply it first!

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 01:06:15 UTC No. 16469053

RFK Jr is a hippie fruitcake and I can't believe Trump is letting him have any sway whatsoever over the administration let alone with something as important as agriculture. We will all starve while the hippies virtue signal and purity spiral

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 01:14:04 UTC No. 16469061

>>16469053
trump is appeasing the hippies, won the election because of the fucking niggers, and is going to support a nation of literal jews.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 01:37:35 UTC No. 16469087

>>16467669
>What is a regenerative organic farming?

Regenerative organic farming is just permaculture.
No fertilizers, no tilling, no herbicides, no pesticides, you use a combination of cover crops, hedges, crop rotation, mixed planting, and grazing, to restore soil health while growing whatever you're growing.

>Is it good or bad?

This trend was largely first introduced to the world by Masanobu Fukuoka, a Japanese microbiologists and agricultural scientists. As far as he was concerned he was looking for a minimal-effort, no-inputs, means to produce food indefinitely. Fukuoka's hypothesis of permaculture was that everything was dictated by the relationship soil had with weeds, microbes, and insects, and if he could just groom those three aspects into some kind of homeostasis that benefited him - he wouldn't have to do anything else.

>Are we all going to starve to death because retarded organic hippies are taking over the FDA and rolling back all the modern scientific progress in agriculture?

Yes.
Permaculture & organic farming are excellent for the environment, but they're not productive, nor efficient enough, to feed the billions of people that largescale industrial agriculture does. Switching to permaculture methods would be beneficial to the environment, but it would make every single scrap of food infinitely more expensive, and meat a rare luxury.

>Is he a headcase or is he legit?

He's lying a little bit.
-Salatin uses heritage chickens for his eggs, but industrial hybridized broiler hens for meat, as normal chickens simply cannot gain enough mass.
-Likewise, he also finishes his pigs on grain he purchases.
-Salatin hires hippy 'interns' that he pays very little, doesn't train (everything is a trade secret), and has them live in shacks that consistently infect them with campylobacteriosis, due to an improperly installed plumbing system in said shacks.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:44:00 UTC No. 16469632

>>16467669
Nutty low-grace /x/ tard but the "Back To Eden" gardening methods are great for individuals and small farms. It's basically just using lots of mulch along with "chop & drop" techniques to add organic matter to the soil to reduce the amount of external fertilizers you have to add.

It won't "Feed the World", but if you have a yard/small farm it works great once you get the system up and running, but it's nothing all that "innovative", really.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 02:40:17 UTC No. 16471551

>>16469632
Feeding the world is bad.
Thats what causes overpopulation.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 16:59:17 UTC No. 16472079

>>16471551
quality > quantity

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 04:54:21 UTC No. 16472962

I get really good results with organic fertilizers like blood meal and kelp meal, manures, and leaf mold. Great productivity and good nutrition and flavor profiles. I don't know how I could grow dozens or hundreds of acres of food with it, though. We need a broad scale "almost organic" system, imo. If more people grew some kind of food and kept a few animals and coordinated with neighbors we would all be healthier but less rich you can't reduce much GDP.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:06:12 UTC No. 16472968

>>16469087
This. Most of the celebrity agriculturalists are grifters, even if they have a few good ideas.

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:08:44 UTC No. 16472970

>>16472962
Sending gigaton of cheap grain to Ethiopia doesn't make money for anyone except the Rothschild bankers who loan the money that government uses to buy the grain from the agribusinesses.
Monsanto makes a pile on that too. The farmers themselves get screwed, most of them have gone from being landowners to tenants &/or employees under the system.
And Ethiopians who end up selling it all on secondary markets probably make some money too.
Its ridiculous that the American government is in the business of providing cheap food for foreigners instead of being concerned about Americans.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:09:15 UTC No. 16472971

>>16469087
>>16472962
Try incorporating biochar into your soil. Make sure it's charged first or it will soak up nutrients from your soil and fuck your productivity until you add more nutrients. You can make your own charged biochar by crushing lump charcoal and soaking it in a nutrient solution like compost tea. If you have a compost/vermicompost pile, which everyone should, then you can put the charcoal directly in your pile at up to 20% by volume to charge it, decrease the greenhouse gases produced by your pile, and prevent the nutrients from leeching out of your pile. If you have livestock then you can add it to their feed at 2% by weight to charge it and it will improve their digestion, reduce the greenhouse gasses they produce, and reduce the odor of their manure. Amending your lawn by aerating it and filling the holes with charged biochar will save you a lot of water, especially if your soil is clayey. Amending your garden will save you water, encourage beneficial soil microbes, and improve plant growth. There's no downsides.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:10:16 UTC No. 16472972

>>16472970
You are the only one ITT talking about Ethiopia.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:26:21 UTC No. 16472990

>>16472971
My soil is loam and drains pretty well. The water table is also between 10 to 100 feet down depending on the neighborhood. It's not unusual for fruit trees and grape vines to establish into it and go months without irrigation no problem despite 100F temps. The native trees get 70 ft tall and we have no summer rain. Water is cheap too because it's snow pack melt. Slightly acidic and clean. I'm in probably the world's greatest Ag region (Sacramento, CA). For lawn i just seed in annual ryegrass and wildflowers and a bit of Bermuda persists because I don't irrigate the lawn at all.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:33:20 UTC No. 16472994

>>16472990
Try it anyways. Your soil will lose less nutrients as it drains which will help keep your aquifer and nearby waterways from being contaminated by the runoff. Even if your soil wouldn't benefit from it at all it's still great for composting and livestock and as a bonus every pound you put in your soil is about 3.7 pounds of carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. That's not counting the reduction in methane and nitrous oxide from composting, livestock, and from denitrifying bacteria in your soil.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:05:23 UTC No. 16473071

>>16472994
Should I always source certified biochar or can I make it? I'm worried about toxicity from the charcoal and I'm already incorporating a fair bit of carbon without paying for any.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 11:26:07 UTC No. 16473241

>>16469087
>>Are we all going to starve to death because retarded organic hippies are taking over the FDA and rolling back all the modern scientific progress in agriculture?
>Yes.
>Permaculture & organic farming are excellent for the environment, but they're not productive, nor efficient enough, to feed the billions of people that largescale industrial agriculture does. Switching to permaculture methods would be beneficial to the environment, but it would make every single scrap of food infinitely more expensive, and meat a rare luxury.
Wouldn't it be a realistic model if a much larger part of the population was dedicated to farming? I've also heard about some of these permaculture farmers claiming decent outputs but I don't know how true that was, so land usage could also become a concern, although I don't know if that was ever put into numbers

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 11:29:20 UTC No. 16473246

Expanding on the a political undertones/context of my post here: >>16469087

The other thing I'll add is this is just another land-grab. It's always a land-grab. It's never not a land-grab. The primary benefit of "regenerative organic farming" is a greenwashing land seizure technique, used by *these people to sell you grossly inflated lean beef and to gain public/social consent to graze previously protected, inexpensive, parkland meant to house wildlife.
*This is very much a status, image, "playing cowboys", kind of thing for them. There's very little money to be made in farming, but 'this' industry is populated by retirees playing the part of agri-influencer. A lot of them used to work in the oil industry.

With that said, if you actually want to change anything about how Americans treat food, eat, etc.. You have to let every day people own and farm it - not let some aging white-collar hippie faggot larp on 100's of acres.

>>16472962
>We need a broad scale "almost organic" system, imo. If more people grew some kind of food and kept a few animals and coordinated with neighbors we would all be healthier but less rich you can't reduce much GDP.

This unironically happened in Detroit. Large portions of their suburbs had become derelict and completely overgrown, but sometime in 2013 people started buying the empty houses nearby for like a buck, demolishing them, and then working the land.
According to their own statistics there's around 2,200 urban farms (pic related), employing 20,000 people, across what was once suburban Detroit. Everybody is still poor, but food security isn't a problem anymore and crime has dramatically lowered. Supposedly, it's also been a great community builder: Detroit has a lot of black seniors living pension cheque to pension cheque, but now they have easy work and are engaged with young people.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 11:49:42 UTC No. 16473257

>>16473246

Here's another farm from above. Detroit also has the advantage that it to be at least somewhat fertile (despite its' urban history) and in the absence of development or maintenance - will become pleasantly forested if allowed to.

>>16473241
>I've also heard about some of these permaculture farmers claiming decent outputs but I don't know how true that was, so land usage could also become a concern, although I don't know if that was ever put into numbers

The Soviet Union accidentally did something like what we're talking about.
During the 70's through to the 90's, something like 25% of the urban population owned rural summer cottages called "Dacha". Russians used them to take it easy during the summer months, but they also used them to grow like 65% of domestic produce for almost 30 years because the centralized communal farms were failing and everyone was fucking starving.
Basically, you worked full time in the city, and then work a 600m2 private garden plot all 4 months of summer to grow as many potatoes and cabbage as possible.

Organic agriculture 'can' meet domestic demand, but only if an entire portion of the countries' population is put to work.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 12:06:08 UTC No. 16473266

>>16473257
I'm pretty sure we will have to come to this (many more people being involved in farming) in a relatively near future. When energy becomes scarce, it will be primarily used to satisfy basic needs such as feeding ourselves. This would make food much pricier and small-scale farming more interesting in economical terms.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 14:46:55 UTC No. 16473396

>>16473071
You shouldn't need to worry much about contaminants. Biochar can even be used to absorb contaminants from soil. Just get whatever's cheapest. There's not any difference between certified biochar or lump charcoal unless they've already charged it for you. You can make charcoal yourself in a barrel or you can buy lump charcoal from the store and crush it yourself. Don't use charcoal briquettes because they have weird additives and the structure has been destroyed when the briquettes were formed so it doesn't work the same way. I've found that unless you're ordering in the cubic yard range the cheapest lump charcoal is at Walmart or other grocery stores that offer cheap products. If you decide to make it yourself, but you don't have the wood handy then call tree trimming services and ask them to dump their trucks on your property or use service like chipdrop. That will be a lot cheaper than buying anything, but making charcoal can be a lot of work.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 14:51:28 UTC No. 16473407

>>16473241
Personally, I think the best place for people to start is with composting or vermicomposting. It makes people really think about soil health and encourages them to start a garden, even if it's just some tomatoes or an herb garden. Honestly tomatoes are also a great place for most people to start. They're mostly water so it's better to grow them where they're going to be eaten instead of transporting them and it encourages you to learn how to store your harvest all year by canning and drying.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 03:46:30 UTC No. 16474321

>>16467669
Its pretty funny that the Trump administration is the one promoting healthy farming practices and the liberals, who all brag massively about being environmentalists are the ones who want to poison the planet with toxic pesticides and gmo frankenstein crops.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 06:04:17 UTC No. 16474405

>>16467669
>What is a regenerative organic farming?
>Is it good or bad?
It requires a lot of fertile land to go unused. Land naturally regenerates carbon, nitrogen, and minerals in decent soil with enough water, but you can't extract very much from it per year. It's a good thing to try and recycle agricultural waste, however a lot of that is already being done and so to go even further would mean to let land go fallow for extended periods and waste production capacity.
Therefore, synthetic fertilizers are necessary and will never be replaced.
>>16473241
There is like 45 million acres of lawn in the US so yes people could grow massive amounts of food if they wanted to, but it's a difficult thing to make efficient and we don't have the cultural capital either. Neighborhoods could be filled with nuts and fruits and herbs and veggies but it only works if tons of people believe in it so much they want to participate extensively, which they don't.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 15:40:48 UTC No. 16474869

>>16474321
Retard take

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:58:09 UTC No. 16475006

>>16473241
>if a much larger part of the population was dedicated to farming?
Otherwise known making every single scrap of food infinitely more expensive.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 20:10:15 UTC No. 16475172

>>16474321
>oy vey stop noticing

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 15:46:02 UTC No. 16476300

>>16475006
t. can't grow a plant to save his life

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 20:34:54 UTC No. 16476778

>>16474321
What do you expect from a people who chimp out at a guy for using the slogan "make America great again"?
>REEEEEE STOP IMPROVING MY COUNTRY!!!
>I HATE YOU!!!!

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 20:58:17 UTC No. 16476817

>>16472962
>We need a broad scale "almost organic" system, imo.
look up Garty Zimmer. That's basically what he's all about