Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:43:19 UTC No. 16469390

>>16469386
You should seek help for your mental anguish. It can get better for you if you open your heart to the possibility (including things getting better in ways you may not have foreseen or accepted at first).

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:48:09 UTC No. 16469396

>>16469386
Why do you think God sent Jesus? You still have time to accept him as your savior and spread his word across the flat Earth, with the help of the God King Trump and his superhero friend Elon Musk.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:48:18 UTC No. 16469397

>>16469390
>You should seek help for your mental anguish
Nah, we're staying on-topic. If you don't have answer... STFU
We're not on 4chan to talk about vanilla topics, you pussy

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:49:19 UTC No. 16469398

>>16469396
>Why do you think God sent Jesus?
this is the /sci/ board
fuck off:
>>>/x/

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:51:33 UTC No. 16469402

>>16469398
Repent, or face the fires of hell.
-with love, Jesus

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 08:02:52 UTC No. 16469412

>>16469402
>epent, or face the fires of hell.
>-with love, Jesus
Take your demon god and shuv it up your ass, idiot. What a fucking tool you are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcWwq26ehe0

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:34:49 UTC No. 16469492

>>16469386
>in the meantime, mankind might be able to espace that fate and populate the universe beyond the solar system.
>How can we make sure that that never happens?
we can start by defunding or stop supporting engineering efforts that have as a goal the spread of human population beyond Earth.
Elon Musk is an obvious problem, and he must be stopped at all costs, no matter how amazing Space-X's achievements might be, he is working for the devil, he wants to perpetuate our suffering.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 13:20:09 UTC No. 16469565

>>16469386
>Is there a scientific way to stop this madness called "life"?
Oh yes. Now antinatalists aren't ideologically serious; they like to grandstand as morally superior just because they're incels but they'd never do what it takes to follow their so called beliefs to their logical conclusion.
Just detonate thousands of salted nukes accross the entire planet. It probably won't kill all life but it will likely kill all multicellular life, and there isn't enough time for multi cellular life to arise again before the sun boils the Earth's oceans.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 13:53:15 UTC No. 16469586

>>16469386
>Is there a scientific way to stop this madness called "life"?
You can start by killing yourself OP.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:05:52 UTC No. 16469594

>>16469397
It's not "vanilla" to suggest that you should probably seek guidance from a professional if your worldview is that the process of living is so bleak that all of the universe must be snuffed out.

Your mentality isn't some philosophical one which rational actors can come to after some deep introspection. It is a pathological form of nihilism that displays a deep form of mental anguish on the part of the thinker. Debating over the merits of a death cult is entirely fruitless if you are unable to acknowledge that it is, in fact, a death cult.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:11:32 UTC No. 16469598

>>16469586
>You can start by killing yourself OP
this isn't a philosophy of suicide thread

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:14:46 UTC No. 16469600

>>16469565
>just because they're incels
wait, what? lol
I'm an antinatalist, I've had countless women in my life, been married once for nice years, had a total of six long-term relationships, including my current gf, who is herself an antinatalist. You assumed too much. Fail.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:31:09 UTC No. 16469616

>>16469386
>Yes, birthrates are falling across the globe, that's a good sign, but how can we accelerate the process?
Well, you're spreading the word, it increases awareness, and "scientifically speaking", that might increase the number of people who might join us in our conclusions. Depending on each person's abilities, they might have to work on their rhetoric/knowledge regarding the multitude of areas of knowledge that arguing properly about the subject might require, such as psychology, ecology, economy and finance, politics, etc. To be a convincing antinatalist, you have to be an excellent and very knowledgeable debater.
>How can we, scientifically speaking, terminate all of this once and for all?
I assume that "this" means life and that's quite a hard task to achieve, how one would assure the termination of all life, permanently, and without suffering? Short of an instantaneous colossal global extinction event, I don't see a sure way to achieve it.
>How can we make sure that humans will not populate space beyond the solar system?
I second this anon's words:
>>16469492
>How can we speed up the Sun's final demise and avoid that?
I don't think we have the technical knowledge nor the resources required to achieve it. The sun will go red giant once it runs out of hydrogen to fuse at its core, so we'd need a way to diminish the concentration of hydrogen at the sun's core... I have no idea how that could, theoretically, be achieved.
What can be done though, regarding incoming interstellar bolides, if keep working on better planetary defense against bolide impacts. That's something we're already working on, so maybe we'll get good enough at it to stop something incoming that fast.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 16:00:40 UTC No. 16469699

>>16469600
On top of this I would add that antinatalism seems to be nearly as common or more common among women than men, which makes sense considering women are the ones who have to actually go through the whole pregnancy and childbirth thing.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 16:43:38 UTC No. 16469724

>>16469386
Suffering serves a n utilitarian urpose. We developed a pain response to stimuli associated with harmful phenomena so that we have a strong incentive to avoid said harmful phenomena. All other suffering works the same way, bad things make us suffer so we have a reason to avoid/prevent said bad things from happening.

To desire suffering to not exist, rather than sources of suffering to not exist, is to miss the forest for the trees.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 18:36:16 UTC No. 16469836

>>16469594
>that you should probably seek guidance from a professional
There are no professionals that can deal with existential anguish

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 18:38:06 UTC No. 16469838

>>16469724
>To desire suffering to not exist, rather than sources of suffering to not exist,
>Says suffering is a good thing
>Then says you should wish for suffering to not exist

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 19:57:26 UTC No. 16469891

>>16469838
Is this is what having double digit IQ feels like?

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:20:05 UTC No. 16469977

>>16469390
>why don't you just keep working for Mr shekelstein then coonsume and reproduce to keep the work force
yeah no I'm not doing that shit, post nose

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:57:25 UTC No. 16470020

>>16469977
Man, there's more options than "determine life is so meaningless that you pray for the extinction of all life in the universe" and "trap yourself into an endless cycle of consumerism and self-hatred."

If you let yourself be trapped into a position where you feel that you have no control over your own happiness, then you truly will allow that to happen. Your life is yours to live. Start acting like it.

>>16469836
Any competent psychologist can help you develop skills to manage depressive episodes. In terms of profound existential anguish, you unironically need to start taking small steps that help you feel like you're competent and in control of your life again. Just like I said to the anon above, the only way to guarantee that your life is pointless suffering, is to make it pointless suffering by refusing to do the bare minimum to try and make your own life meaningful. Go for a hike or two. Find God. Read some good books that make you think and entertainment. Find the joy in exercise at the gym. Find literally anything that you feel gives you relief and fulfillment.

Literally anything is better than spending your life praying for death because you're too afraid to actually live a little.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 06:02:05 UTC No. 16470466

>>16470020
>Any competent psychologist can help you develop skills to manage depressive episodes
im not depressed and existential angst isbt depression. Psychologists cant cure that, not can they cure depression so your idea of getting some professional to deal with this problem isnt serious, its simply an unsolved problem

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:55:22 UTC No. 16470594

>>16470466
>Existential angst isn't depression.

If you are letting your worries about the futility of life on Earth in the face of the expansion of the sun (over billions of years) in the way of your daily life now, you are very likely depressed. It's not the same depression that you'd normally see with someone with clinical depression, but it is definitely a depression.

You are not behaving rationally when you let distant problems that are entirely out of the control of any human rule your life.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 17:04:05 UTC No. 16471003

>>16470594
>If you are letting your worries about the futility of life on Earth in the face of the expansion of the sun (over billions of years) in the way of your daily life now\
It isnt affecting me in any way, you are imagining too many things about someone elese state of mind. It seems you are unable to discuss ideas without essentially attacking someone's character.
>Its just a type of depression
All you are doing is sticking a label and calling people other labels
>You are not behaving rationally when
Im not "behaving" in any way when i'm just discussing an idea.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 17:09:37 UTC No. 16471012

>>16469386
There is no way. The suffering will continue for as long as life exists, and we do not have the capacity to end life.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 17:17:13 UTC No. 16471017

>>16469386
Easiest scientific method would be to report all the spam and troll threads so the jannies remove them.

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:21:54 UTC No. 16471102

>>16469386
If everyone who finds life to be sufficiently miserable to not be worth continuing refuses to reproduce, then maybe eventually only the retards who actually enjoy life will be left, and they'll go on to have comparably retarded children, pushing humanity over many generations toward being incapable of unhappiness. Then the only issue is whether the rest of the animal kingdom will still be miserable. Luckily that will probably be solved as well, because the retards will enjoy life so much that they'll reproduce until they decimate all other life on earth and finally themselves, enjoying it all the while. So don't worry OP, it'll all work out eventually.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:33:47 UTC No. 16471335

>>16469386
>If realism, or dualism, is the true nature of existence,
imagine choosing philosophy over biology and be wrong about everything. intellectual cowardice.

>chain of suffering
>chain
did you have an anterior life?
you were born to reproduce but you are resisting it. this is causing friction and is causing your suffering

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:44:01 UTC No. 16471344

>>16469386
>Is there a scientific way to stop this chain of suffering?
yeah

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:24:24 UTC No. 16471386

>>16469838
your suffering doesn't make you special, it's just a tool

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:36:51 UTC No. 16471397

>>16471335
"you" don't exist, instead of a chain think of life as a tree and "you" being the apple. The apple is born and dies but the tree goes on

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:51:53 UTC No. 16471409

This is probably the most retarded fucking thing I have ever seen posted. Super duper bait OP

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:53:03 UTC No. 16471414

>>16469598
This isn't a philosophy of fucking anything thread

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:53:30 UTC No. 16471415

>>16471397
still pretending to be interested in science
you're not fooling anyone faggot

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 00:11:40 UTC No. 16471429

>>16471415
100%, OP is just a fucking moron

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 01:07:00 UTC No. 16471475

>>16471003
I'm not attacking your character. I'm trying to help you understand what this person is advocating for and what it actually means. If you believe that all life needs to end because suffering occurs to the living, you need help. It's not a character issue, it is a psychiatric issue.

You aren't immoral or a bad person for thinking this. You are in need of medication and therapy so that you can reconnect with reality.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 09:59:12 UTC No. 16471812

>>16471344
>suicide
as pointed out earlier:
>>16469598

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:01:53 UTC No. 16471816

>>16471475
>If you believe that all life needs to end because suffering occurs to the living, you need help.
Yes, in spreading the idea, lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1LhmXEOoU

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:03:24 UTC No. 16471817

>>16471386
>it's just a tool
yes, it is through suffering that animals seek ways to avoid it, and thus survive and transmit their genes to their offspring. Pretty fucked up, if you ask me.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:15:46 UTC No. 16471823

>>16471816
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1LhmXEOoU
interesting video, I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but this is an interesting comment

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:19:45 UTC No. 16471825

>>16471012
you might be right, even if you kill everything on the surface and in the waters of planet earth, life still lives deep inside the earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD6xJq8NguY
The whole planet would have to be destroyed, or at least life eradicated down to several hundred of kilometers, where physical conditions just do not permit life as we know it.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 11:01:21 UTC No. 16471837

>>16469386
A whole bunch of orbital mirrors to trigger a runaway greenhouse.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 11:15:35 UTC No. 16471845

>>16471812
Why would an antinatalist choose to continue existence if they hate it so much they'd rather not impose it on others? Seems inconsistent.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 11:39:31 UTC No. 16471859

>>16471845
I can't answer for every antinatalist out there, but I personally prefer to remain here to inform others about antinatalism and prevent any further humans from being born. Besides, my life is very nice and comfortable, so I'm in no rush.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 12:22:06 UTC No. 16471882

>>16471816
There is no idea. There is only artful dancing around a suicide cult.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 12:41:08 UTC No. 16471889

>>16471882
>There is only artful dancing around a suicide cult.
you disingenuous fuck
>>16471823

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 12:41:59 UTC No. 16471890

>>16471859
> All life brings suffering. There is some good but the balance is overwhelmingly negative for living beings! That's why we should prevent all future life from happening!
> Okay, so what's stopping you from ending your life then?
> Oh, my life is actually quite nice and comfortable. It barely has suffering at all! It's those other lives that are so dreadful and shouldn't be allowed to exist.
> Well, how do you know that those other lives won't also be nice and comfortable like yours?
> Uhhh uhhh Benetard's Asymmetry! Uhh uhh we're destroying the planet and should be stopped...Uhhh uhhh but it's not fair to make a baby that couldn't consent to being born because .... Uhhh...

Even dignifying this slop with the label of "thinking" is giving it too much credit. The most braindead of religious fanatics have a better grasp on reality.

I say this with the most compassion I can muster. Throw your fucking computer out and spend some time outside and reading the writing of people outside of this cultish bubble you've trapped yourself in. If not, just live up to your actual principles and kill yourself. Shit or get off the pot.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 12:42:10 UTC No. 16471891

>>16471889
wrong fucking link, but you're still a disingenuous fuck. Fuck you, piece of shit.
>>16471812

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 12:47:26 UTC No. 16471896

>>16471889
There's literally nothing of substance in that comment. All it does is spend dozens of sentences masturbating in circles over the idea that all things must put in effort to life and all things must experience some pain and eventually die.

That's not some profound realization, and it certainly isn't something worth extinguishing all life in the universe over. If the only way you can bear to live is if you are hooked up to an endless pleasure machine, you are not alive in the first place. You have been deprived of the very thing that makes you living! You cannot grow or develop or find meaning in existence if your whole life is numbed to negative consequences for failure or lack of effort. This is something you should have realized when you were 14, and it's frankly embarrassing to see so many stunted adults coming to this position now as if it's not a sign of their own lack of moral development.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 12:49:28 UTC No. 16471897

>>16471891
Do you think calling me a piece of shit will make your philosophy any less braindead and vapid? Do you think it will remove the death cult at the center of it that worships the void of nothingness that is "existence" without life?

There is literally nothing of substance in this. It is masturbation over the thought of an existence it literally cannot comprehend.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:02:01 UTC No. 16471905

>>16471890
>>16471896
>>16471897
this thread isn't about the philosophy per-se, it is about the feasibility of it as a technical objective.
It says right there in the OP.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:06:49 UTC No. 16471909

>>16471905
> it is about the feasibility of it as a technical objective

So it plainly is a suicide cult then. The only way to accomplish this technically would be to kill all life on Earth (and in some greater sense, the capacity for biological chemistry in the universe). That is the definition of a death cult.

Stop pretending you have a coherent philosophy. You don't. You have a death cult with nothing of substance at the center of it.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:13:47 UTC No. 16471913

>>16471909
No, suicide is ending one's own life.
Voluntarily avoiding parturition, by definition, is not that. Very different things. You can stop misrepresenting antinatalism now, thanks.
If the OP is talking about killing other people against their will, that's homicidal, but I think the OP is just asking if there were to be a far-fetched way to avoid life from replicating on and on. It's a pseudo-sci-fi thread, like there are so many others on here. If you don't enjoy the topic, no one is forcing you to be in here.
Goodbye, and have a nice day.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:26:11 UTC No. 16471923

>>16471913
OP says "end all life." Even if you magically convince every person to sterilize themselves, killing all life requires the (by definition unconsenting) killing of entire ecosystems of creatures until there is nothing left. Stop fooling yourself.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:44:27 UTC No. 16471931

>>16471923
>killing all life requires the (by definition unconsenting) killing of entire ecosystems of creatures until there is nothing left
No, it doesn't necessarily mean that. It might just require making sure that life would not reproduce, for example, not killing everything. Again, DIFFERENT THINGS.
Discussing if that would be possible to achieve, or not, is part of the topic.
Personally, I don't think there is a way to do it.
Red giant it'll be, I guess.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 13:53:12 UTC No. 16471938

>>16471859
>I can't answer for every antinatalist out there, but I personally prefer to remain here to inform others about antinatalism and prevent any further humans from being born.
So, in other words, you're willing to deal with suffering of existence to accomplish your goal. Curious.
>Besides, my life is very nice and comfortable, so I'm in no rush.
So why do you want to deny new human to experience this, again?

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:42:48 UTC No. 16471970

sorry, but these types or discussions are outside the scope of this thread, and I'll refrain from continuing as such. I apologize to the OP for having engaged.
Maybe start your own thread if you wish to specifically discuss antinatalism?

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:43:48 UTC No. 16471971

>>16471970
that was meant for you:
>>16471938

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:46:59 UTC No. 16471972

fags

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 19:49:27 UTC No. 16472284

>>16469386
>Anti-natalism
Funny how these people don't do the logical thing and kill themselves.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:14:07 UTC No. 16473077

>>16472284
funny how stupid you are that you can't tell the difference between ending your own life, and starting someone else's

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:20:06 UTC No. 16473080

>>16471415
>>16471429
retards, this is serious. at least engage in debate.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:21:46 UTC No. 16473083

>>16469386
Yes, the science of history developed by Marx and Engels in the latter half of the 19th century. The proletariat is the self-conscious historical agent that will end the alienation of class society.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:24:47 UTC No. 16473087

OP, 4chan may not be the best platform for discussion. I have been following antinatalist posts for 2.5 years and generally discussions have not been fruitful. it's still a better platform than Reddit however.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:25:11 UTC No. 16473088

>>16473083
Marx is just an incorrect reactionary to Hegel. Those who try to short-circuit dialectic progress only cause more trauma. The jews that slaughtered millions of Christians in Russia did not accomplish a single thing in their unjustified war against autocracy or capitalism. In fact, they destroyed all material support for their basis in their hysteria.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:28:38 UTC No. 16473094

>>16473088
Marxism failed because they don't understand that the hierarchies that humans make are innate and not just social constructs. capitalism or feudalism were just natural symptoms of something much deeper. darwinism.
communists (the ones in charge) are either insanely naive or understand this and are insanely evil.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:47:31 UTC No. 16473110

I don't think we can convince more than 1% of the population when it comes to this.
biology might have a lot more to do with though processing than we might have thought otherwise.
notice how so rarely anyone ever changes their mind on the matter of antinatalism, people either get it, were on their way of getting or are vehemently against it.
for every 10,000 natalists there is 1 antinatalist. we are fucked.
some type of eugenics might be needed.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:49:38 UTC No. 16473113

>>16471938
not anon.
I'm willing to suffer in order to create less future potential suffering. what's the problem exactly?

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 07:53:00 UTC No. 16473115

>>16471909
You don't have an argument. imbecile.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 13:33:49 UTC No. 16473332

>>16473113
In other words, you consider life to be worth living, because your goal justifies the suffering. How shotsighted do you have to be to not realize this applies to other people with their own goals?

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 14:48:06 UTC No. 16473400

Suffering is great asshat. If you can't handle life KYS, instead of being a selfish bastard and trying to find ways to end everyone elses.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:25:42 UTC No. 16474681

>>16469386
Antinatalism is for cuckolds and they will be mocked by their ancestors spirits eternally. Even fucking a nigger and having a tarbaby is better than never having children.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:49:48 UTC No. 16474695

Rock shills out in full force this days.
>Nooo being life is too hardcore, just be a rock.
Nah, I think I'll be life. They're talking about suffering, like they even know what that means.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 13:28:29 UTC No. 16474733

>>16469386
Antinatalism is a retard take of Bhuddism.

Remove the spiritual component. Replace it with modern green-left activism married with communist politics.

>Be bhuddist
>Achieve happiness in the face of suffering in the pre-modern era

>Be antinatalist
>Try to inflict more suffering as a solution to middle-age teenage angst in american suburbia.

Lmao.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 14:59:05 UTC No. 16474832

>>16474733
Actually the Buddha himself was probably an antinatalist but couldn't preach it at the time because he would've been ostracised. he even got accused of leading a death cult for his Buddhist teachings. so it's probably why he had to keep it to a minimum. he was definitely smart enough to understand the immorality of creating life.