Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 13:50:01 UTC No. 16469583

>>16469580
>u of sheffield, psych dept
kek

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:44:00 UTC No. 16469682

>>16469580
>it's just a bunch of magical thinking
>b-because it just is okay!!1

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:57:19 UTC No. 16469694

>>16469580
Yeah, it's worse than "le space... deforms" and "le wave function... collapses".

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:10:47 UTC No. 16469754

kys.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:18:41 UTC No. 16469763

>>16469580
Can you explain what about information theory is "magical thinking" and what this has to do with physics?

Information theory is about the measurement of uncertainty of random variables as mathematical abstractions. It isn't something directly physics related (though it does work to a certain degree on physical communication systems)

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:21:01 UTC No. 16469765

I’m normally not the type to post “schizo” theories, but here’s mine:

Matter <=> Energy <=> Entropy <=> Information

It’s all connected. ask Einstein about matter and energy.

Entropy is defined by energy * temperature.

And information is expressed in high entropy; for example, an unwritten CD is flat (low entropy), while a burned CD has high entropy (bumps and holes). (Though noise also has high entropy, which reminds me of the heat death of the universe.)

All these things seem connected.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:29:55 UTC No. 16469771

>>16469580
Retard take

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:30:19 UTC No. 16469772

>>16469765
kys

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:33:06 UTC No. 16469775

>>16469580
Wrong, the worst thing was the theory of relativity. QM is right, spacetime is universal and absolute. Only complete idiots keep pushing their heads deep inside their assholes to keep relativity alive.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:38:57 UTC No. 16469783

>>16469772
no life is fun to me, i plan to stqy around for a long time

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 17:41:25 UTC No. 16469787

>>16469763

>Information theory is a mathematical field that studies the storage, transmission, and quantification of information. It's used in many fields, including physics, but is primarily associated with communication engineering:

Information Physics as I call it is perhaps the most important and base level of all physics understanding. As it is akin to saying all science is first philosophy, thus all physics is first and foremost....information.

https://www.informationphilosopher.com/introduction/physics/

One glaring example you've missed is the black hole. The Information Paradox of black holes is a constant thorn in many a PhD's side and still unsolved with massive wide ranging implications. Also the Big Bang theory is pivoted off information physics as how can something come from nothing? Information Physics says it can not, physicists with bills piling up and grant proposals to submit claim it does.

Let's take a tangent into Computer Science even to show the study of information and Information Physics pivots all the known world off it. AGI, it's impossible and the base logic of Information Physics proves this to us. You can not create something with more information than those who created it. All to say, man can not create a god. Information is effected by entropy is the best I can describe it. Information naturally flows from concentrated to more diffuse unless acted on by outside forces. So it is with information that you can't create something smarter than yourself. This would break logic and information. It's a textbook case of trying to "get a free lunch in physics". The lunacy of saying someone with an IQ of 130 can type some commands into a computer and manifest some god machine so smart that even it's creator can't out think it.....literally never going to happen. No the chess playing computer doesn't count, not AGI. AGI will never be possible because of Information Physics. Dr. Soong was smarter than Data, Data couldn't make an android.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 18:00:59 UTC No. 16469804

>>16469787
I've read your response three times now and still don't know what to make of it. I'm an electrical engineer, not a physicist.

Are there physicists who don't realize that physics is first and foremost a modeling discipline (meaning it is entirely contingent on our human abilities to interpret and describe the phenomena we seek to model)? If so, what's your best guess as to where the disconnect happens here? Is it just that we have stopped teaching the fundamentals in a critical way and people just believe them as dogma?

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 18:32:25 UTC No. 16469833

>>16469787
>One glaring example you've missed is the black hole.
yikes

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 18:41:32 UTC No. 16469843

>>16469580
Filtered by the -log2(P(E))

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:14:35 UTC No. 16469972

>>16469580
I thought information theory was more a cs/math topic than physics?

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 21:47:55 UTC No. 16470010

>>16469580
Ever notice midwits who cant understand something just assume its magical thinking?
It must suck to be a midwit, thinking youre a genius becasue your smarter then a black person, but then not actually being smart. Its a true hell.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 03:18:26 UTC No. 16470344

String Theory is true, get over it tranny

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 03:27:59 UTC No. 16470351

>>16469787
This is why information theory is unironically the most important field of physics to ever exist. Why? Because it's still not "well defined" in any rigorous sense, despite it having existed for 80 years. We understand "what", we still don't understand "why" information is the way that it is.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:39:51 UTC No. 16471226

>>16469580
You're like the people that say quantum physics is all bullshit despite having never so much as looked up the definition of the term.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:48:02 UTC No. 16471236

>>16469765
You've got it backwards, high information is low entropy. More specifically, entropy is basically the insignificance of a configuration. I guess you could say that both the unwritten and the written CD are both low entropy, because there is only one microstate that corresponds to the macrostate of total blankness, and very few that corresponds to a watchable form of Shrek 2.

I think you made the mistake of confusing irregularity for entropy. A very complex combination of bumps and holes can still lead to special functions as the macrostate, and that "specialness" is low entropy.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:29:36 UTC No. 16471962

>>16469580
All physics has a fundamental gap in its understanding.
Physics does not analyze the information of a system or how the configuration of elements influences the existence of the system.
For theories like mechanics, electrodynamics, statistical mechanics and other branches objects are considered as just existing or uniformly distributed, eliminating the state structure.

This does not seem to be a problem for studying a fluid or a star, even a galaxy but it shows its colossal failures in studying life.

We can analyze a car with physics and a car that has been destroyed in an accident by physics analyze all its components and structure but one will be working and the other not working, physics itself cannot understand this only enumerate property in a mechanical way, a systemic information theory can describe us the difference of a working car and a non-functional one, like the difference between a cell or a living being and a cellular model and a corpse.

Life can be defined as a stochastic physical system where atoms and molecules have an order and follow physical reactions in time, both metabolism and other factors are studied as inputs and outputs in a recurrent system.

But this does not really allow to explain much, if we consider the information as the state and organization of the atoms from the water molecule and we add how the information is conserved in time and space in the order of attoseconds, we can get to think about how a chemical reaction or a series of chemical reactions is maintained creating more and more complex molecules, in this generate proteins, enzymes, lipoproteins to generate the cell that has the property to generate other cells, all the molecules keep information, all the physical reactions are information, each time the molecules and reactions are organized in more and more complex molecules creating more and more information.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:30:41 UTC No. 16471964

>>16471962
Information is the state of matter, a theory of information is how information is generated, stored and communicated and an information system is how the structure of a system is composed as the communication of information between its parts.

For example from the simplest molecule or reaction we can think of information but the interesting point is to consider the information in increasing orders of magnitude in biological molecules until these molecules can create other molecules, the information in molecules can encode how to create other molecules, or the interaction between molecules to be an information processor and how to process these information processors by other information chains, This governs all aspects of biology without even talking about DNA, the information of a biological system is like an ocean while DNA is a glass of water, but all the attention of biology is to think of DNA as the only source of information when the process of information in living beings is much more vast, DNA being an example of how this system works.

If we go back to the cell, multicellular living beings are composed of a large number of cells which end up specializing, life itself is the communication between cells or the information system replicates all the behaviors of the cell in a living being, the needs of the cell are created at scale by organs composed of cells to serve the cells themselves.

But these cellular properties arise from the matter itself that creates the cell so that life itself arises as an information system of matter, vitalism was a theory that considered living matter different from non-living matter, this theory died over time to consider life as another chemical process more, to revive vitalism in the theory of systemic information, the information of a living system is what makes this with life as a kind of spirit or informational structure as the exchange of information between the living system keeps it alive.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:35:50 UTC No. 16471968

>>16471236
>misunderstands a reference frame
>goes on a tangent

I'm not that guy, but you might have ass burgers.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:47:54 UTC No. 16471974

>>16471964
Physics as such has not integrated information or talked about it as it is an entity that cannot be described by physics as a kind of metaphysics, so this is the biggest gap in the understanding of physics, not being able to integrate the information of a physical system in its theories.

The most fascinating idea about the information system theory is to consider that if an information system communicates with itself to generate a state of increasingly complex information, we can see the evolution of life on earth and the creation of the nervous system to the brain as an increasingly powerful information system to reach self-awareness, the human being is able to understand the universe itself because the laws of the universe itself have the ability to generate self-consciousness, brains can be considered information processors in space time of the information theory itself, reaching the human brain.

Shannon's information theory is not able to describe these ideas, being focused on computer systems, the information I am talking about is found in atomic states in time, in how electrons in atoms generate chemical reactions like passing to another atom or joining another atom, this can lead to more manageable theories about how enzymes work, how proteins are structured or how things like ATP or systems like cellular respiration are generated, mitochondria, photosynthesis or DNA.

One of the most interesting ideas is how the information system creates, stores and alters information to alter other information to create more information and this information code becomes more complex and can create information codes that generate other information codes that create other information codes and so on.

All life on earth has originated as an information system that has been functioning for 3.8 billion years.

Both systems theory and information theory were left out of physics.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:49:21 UTC No. 16471976

>>16471974
The mathematician Rene Thom talks about similar ideas to those I expound on the development of living things, the biology community itself ignored his work Structural Stability And Morphogenesis.

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 15:25:23 UTC No. 16472008

>>16469765
>entropy = energy * temp
In as much as acceleration = force * mass, lol. Would you trust the physics knowledge of someone who says this? Your unit analysis is off. If you can't even do this, you gotta realize the rest of what you say regarding this topic is prob untrustable.

>info is expressed in entropy, for example...
As the other guy mentioned, your example isn't correct, lol.

It's not exactly a schizo theory, but saying shit like "it's all connected bro" and following with completely false statements just isnt making your argument great

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 15:27:11 UTC No. 16472009

>>16471968
nta, i think you responded to the wrong guy

Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 23:36:42 UTC No. 16472552

>>16471974
Energies effect plays a large role maybe too, small entities lazily wandering around to them an infinite alien landscape, injest some high energy source, and all the sudden they are able to move faster? Find more energy, get bigger, faster, etc. The propelling of the effects of energy to increase ability is something, obvious, maybe,

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:31:48 UTC No. 16472611

>>16472552
Yes thermodynamics, the mitochondria and using O2 instead of CO2 in animal cells, the food chain in more complex food for more nutrients.
For example the physical form of most living creatures is optimizer as breathing machine for getting more O2 or CO2 on plants.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 16:18:11 UTC No. 16473500

>>16472611
How does it use 02? What does it do to and with it?

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 17:26:08 UTC No. 16473566

>>16473500
Oxygen is high reactive this is the reason oxidation is big part of chemistry, Oxygen in form O2 is used by mitochondria to generate ATP the molecule of energy on biology.

Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 19:32:13 UTC No. 16473740

>>16473500
To answer in non-ESL terms, unlike >>16473566 , CO2 has a much lower enthalpy of formation than O2 and C alone, meaning energy is released when oxygen reacts with organic material to make CO2. This reaction is how cells get their energy. Plants' energy cycle involves them taking in CO2, and releasing O2, which should be net negative in terms of energy. The energy to drive this reaction (a much more complicated one than just CO2 to C+ O2) is derived from sunlight, which is why plants need sun to grow. They're able to skim some energy off of some intermediates in this reaction, which is how they ultimately get their energy.