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Anonymous No. 16469723

Why are scientoids so triggered by /ourgirl/?

Anonymous No. 16469779

>>16469723
What does Dave's list of publications look like? Let's compare it to that of Sabine's to see which one is more qualified to make sweeping statements about science.

Anonymous No. 16469793

>>16469779
You are committing a credentialism, which is the sin of agreeing with a crackpot Science denier, and then pointing out their (supposedly) legitimate credentials. Unfortunately, this does not make for a valid argument, for only conforming to the Science, as Professor Dave does, grants validity to an argument.

Anonymous No. 16469795

I'm confused. Is science failing?

Anonymous No. 16469799

>>16469793
it is a valid argument, your opinion on a subject is only valid if based on your experience of it, Sabine is entitled to her opinion as she did experience academia and research, "professor" Dave has not in any way, so his opinion is rubbish. People shouldn't have opinions on what they do not know.

Anonymous No. 16469856

>>16469793
>believing the more credentialed scientist is science denying
retard

Anonymous No. 16469867

>>16469856
Ever heard of Nobel disease? Even credentialed scientists can be Science deniers.

Anonymous No. 16469962

I've seen this woman and that neckbeard over and over here, what the fuck is the drama even about?

Anonymous No. 16469997

>>16469723
God bless this woman doing the lords work of trolling reddit fags.

Anonymous No. 16470013

>>16469962
I have no idea but I just saw a single image of this Dave dude and I instantly knew he was a retarded Jewish manipulative "I fucking love söyence" "trust the experts" faggot

Anonymous No. 16470017

>>16470013
Imagine being so retarded you push big corp and jewish propaganda without even being paid off by them

Anonymous No. 16470076

>>16469793
>credentialism
His whole video's argument is literally "you can't tell if the whole science is failing because you are doing only one field of science and not all of them". Let's now agree with his statement and look at who the guy is:
>chemistry bachelor drop out
>most of his youth spent trying to be a musician in LA
>never worked as a scientific researcher, only worked as school staff
It seems like he can't really know either if science is failing or not.

Anonymous No. 16470090

>>16470076
No but he is a youtuber and he copmmunicates science! and he debunked flater earfers and moon hoaxes and climate tards!

Anonymous No. 16470116

>>16470076
i think he calls himself professor for the same reason women insist on being called dr. last name or name ph.d.
>men go by first name with no phd or dr
>women require dr or phd for status
this guy is the same

Anonymous No. 16470123

>>16470116
It's literally just narcissism, women and effeminate men are more prone to narcissism.

Anonymous No. 16470211

>>16469793
Credentials are proof of merit though. Do you have intelligible reason to distrust her merit? If not, then decrying "credentialism!" is a fallacy iself!

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Anonymous No. 16470215

>>16469793
>>16470211
Also where I am from "Professor" is a protected title.

Consider this, why would a guy with objectively worse credentials give himself a title which he categoricaly cannot have? Because he is a sour grape fraud!

Anonymous No. 16470219

>>16470211
Credentials are only proof of merit as defined by those handing out the credentials. Do you really trust the academy to be the arbiter of who possesses this merit?

Anonymous No. 16470228

>>16470219
What arbiter gave Professor Dave the credential of Professor?

Anonymous No. 16470297

>>16470215
>Imagine being watched and caught stealing then doubling down
Hamburglar tier retardation

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16470328

>>16470116
Meanwhile Sabine doesn't even attach any titles to her name even though she could

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16470332

>>16470116
Meanwhile Sabine doesn't even attach any titles to her name even though she could because she her work can stand on its own without relying on her status

Anonymous No. 16470333

>>16470116
Meanwhile Sabine doesn't even attach any titles to her name even though she could because her work can stand on its own without relying on her accreditations

Anonymous No. 16470347

>>16469723
Interesting how leftist “trust the science” antiracist basedbeard guys have wrapped around the horseshoe to meet far right conservative guys like Motl.

Anonymous No. 16470353

>>16470297
>>16470219
t. "professor" dave

Anonymous No. 16470370

>>16470228
Himself? Do you consider "Professor" Dave a legitimate arbiter of the credential? I certainly don't. It's just branding bullshit to make himself attractive to pseuds and midwits. My point above is that credentials are only as valuable as the people handing them out can justify. Someone can say "credentials are proof of merit" but that statement is meaningless because you have to define what merit is and how it is measured. The Academy defines merit in a few ways, the most easily measured are degree attainment and number of publications. Degree attainment itself is a bog of bullshit and number of publications has more to do with how good you are at jerking off other academics than actually doing science. Sabine is right that the academy is a corrupt institution in service to its own perpetuation rather than actually doing science and exploring reality. This is blatantly obvious because every human institution succumbs to the same thing -- it is human nature, the nature of human societies, arguably even the nature of any "life" structure under thermodynamics, to accumulate, build palisades, and stagnate. This is the nature of all things in the face of scarcity.

Anonymous No. 16470471

what's sad is he's not wrong and this thread is exactly what's wrong with Sabine's videos.

Anonymous No. 16470489

>>16470471
>incel mansplainers questioning the expertise of a female scientist even though she has a PhD
Not surprised we’re seeing an uptick in this behavior with drumpf in office

Anonymous No. 16470491

>>16469799
>muh experience
So, by that logic, if you as a customer are having dangerous malfunctions in a car, you cannot complain about it because you have no experience when it comes to the manufacture of said car? Sure doesn't sound valid. Your credentials don't matter. You only need your arguments to be backed by sufficient evidence.

Anonymous No. 16470500

>>16470489
Sabine would vote for dumpf if he was german

Anonymous No. 16470505

>>16470491
No. sabine is complaining after having crashed her car, the youtuber is saying all cars drive fine without having a driver's licence. His opinion is worthless.

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Anonymous No. 16470525

NOOOO! YOU ARE COMMITING LE CREDENTIALISM!! YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT!! GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!!! THIS IS SO PROBLEMATIC SWEATY! NO BAIL!!

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Anonymous No. 16470806

>>16470500
That would prove that she is smart.
And you just exposed yourself to be a midwit or a sneaky chink.

Anonymous No. 16470832

>>16470489
This misogynistic underachieving Dave is gaslighting Sabine into thinking she's insane when the scientific community is the one that's failed
If Dave beat his hotwife he'd make a video saying he's not the failure

Anonymous No. 16470837

>>16469723
They hate her because she is more successful than them both as a researcher in terms of h-index and as a popular influencer.

She doesn't support the usual pseud science fanboy perspective so she is especially attacked by this group who is extra jealous and desperate for her attention.

I can assure you that most professionals and faculty completely agree with most of her points. We have a huge problem in Science right now, not just due to the reproducibility crisis.

Anonymous No. 16470844

>>16469793
>credentialism, which is the sin of agreeing with a crackpot Science denier,
"I get to stick on labels even if they're untrue!"

You are literally also trying to argue credentialism, except you don't have actual facts backing you up.
>and then pointing out their (supposedly) legitimate credential
They are legitimate.

Anonymous No. 16470848

>>16469867
What do you people think is more likely? That Nobel prize winners and prestigious scientists are all "deniers", or that your cult of redditors, science journalists and politicians simply don't actually represent the viewpoints of actual professionally employed researchers?

Anonymous No. 16470857

>>16470837
>We have a huge problem in Science right now, not just due to the reproducibility crisis.
Most of the problem will go away once governments stop funding and influencing academia. Then you will only have to eradicate agents of the church.

Anonymous No. 16470893

>>16470215
>Also where I am from "Professor" is a protected title
Public misrepresentation is illegal in America too. If you sued him for fraud you would win. In this context for example, if you lose out on a job, professional relationship/contract or any other kind of financial loss because you were misinformed by something he said (and e.g. offended some potential employer/business partner) while representing himself publically as a "Professor" despite not actually having that job title.

YouTube and YouTube advertisers could also sue him and win, very easily, if they wanted to.

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Anonymous No. 16470898

https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

Anonymous No. 16470923

>>16470491
It is quite literally illegal for someone who is not a certified mechanic to represent himself as a mechanic and then tell you how to fix the dangerous malfunction in your car.

Credentials do matter, you are just as delusional as they are for thinking otherwise. Public perception and opinion in research is especially important for grant allocation and other public resource spending. This is precisely why a professional like Sabine is commenting on these issues because public funding is being misallocated.

All these reddit s*y science fanboy journalists, youtubers, political thinktanks and influencers like Dave who pretend to be a part of the "scientific community" are not just operating in some legal grey area; they are deep in the black. What they are doing is fraud and it is illegal.

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Anonymous No. 16471427

>me when a credentialed person speaks on an issue within the field they habe credentials for knowing about

Anonymous No. 16471448

I wouldn't bother with that guy's channel. Seemed decent to me at first and got pretty obviously political and irrational with Trump and Covid.

Anonymous No. 16471457

>>16469723
"Dr. Dave" reeks of kike.

Anonymous No. 16471786

>>16470898
>le popsoi unaccountability chart

Anonymous No. 16472068

>>16470505
No. That's clearly not what he's saying. Here, I'll answer your analogy with an analogy.

German lady who designs BMWs crashes her BMW then says that all cars are flawed like BMWs are flawed.

Guy carefully explains that just because you know about BMWs, you can't claim that all cars are flawed the same way.

People double down saying that because she designs BMWs she's an expert on all cars and gets to say that all cars are flawed the way BMWs are, just like she says.

You don't need a PHD in physics to see where her argument is flawed and you don't need a PHD in physics to see why he has a fucking point.

Anonymous No. 16472131

>>16472068
This is not even true. If we were too ignore that interdisciplinary work is present in academia, which in turn would enlighten an "outsider" of a field on its health, Sabine is a science-"journalist" nowadays of how little value that may be, but nevertheless she is one. If you had seen her body of work, you would know that she does indeed come directly in contact with papers produced in other fields such as sociology and group psychology. Fields that are famous for their reproducibility and preposterous research claims. So, yes she is indeed more qualified to make sweeping statements about this topic than you or me. I don't even agree with her on most things, because her recent physics opinions are literal garbage.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16472517

>>16472068
>implying someone that designs BMWs wouldn't know about car design in general
>meanwhile the closest the guy doing the criticism has gotten to working on cars is watching the Fast and the Furious franchise and thinks it is a realistic portrayal of automobiles

Anonymous No. 16472520

>>16472068
>implying someone that designs BMWs wouldn't know about car design in general
>meanwhile the closest the guy doing the criticism has gotten to working on cars is watching the Fast and the Furious franchise and thinking it is a realistic depiction of automobiles

Anonymous No. 16472527

>>16472068
Bad analogy Dave. Your hypothetical is also borderline slanderous. When did BMW have any such wrecks? You could have at least used something tangible like firestone tires. Even though it isn't contemporary, it is at least meaningful.
But even that wouldn't work, because firestone produced a viable product, which the theoretical physishits have yet to do. And yet they demand more and more money.
So yeah, the actual analogy is like this:
Firestone pushes a tire to the market that causes SUV roll-overs.
Firestone claims to have a hypothetical tire without this defect.
They demand the government to pay them for this hypothetical tire even though it doesn't exist.
You, Dave, come along and give your blessing on non-existent tire even though you know nothing about government, tires, or firestone.

Anonymous No. 16472571

>>16469779
Agreed
I can't believe more people aren't talking about this
Sabine is basing her argument about physics on her experience working as a professional within the field and yet people want to act as this guy's perspective is someone as valid as hers is?

Anonymous No. 16473055

>>16472068
Even in your analogy the lady who design the BMW is absolutely right and the guy has no reason to comment on it except for attention and grifting. She is the designer. For all you know she literally could've been the one that implanted if not discovered the flaw and now there's a ticking time bomb in the BMW that the person who designed it is aware of. Just like in real life this flaw then spreads to all other car brands because Chinese manufacturers stole her CAD drawings and copied it wholesale.

The entertainment monkey is a distraction which will cause mass economic damage and death.

Anonymous No. 16473079

>>16469723
Cause of unpopular opinion about sacred word. Even if this word undefined.

Anonymous No. 16473093

>>16472131
>I don't even agree with her on most things, because her recent physics opinions are literal garbage.
>it's fine until MY fields gets under fire

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Anonymous No. 16473218

Gonna have to side with Sabine in light of the fact that I want to sex her

Anonymous No. 16473485

>>16473093
You're misconstructing what I said. You never attacked her points on substance, just all unrelated crap. My arguments against her opinions in physics are not that she herself enables ""unscientific theories"" or something of that nature, which has no bearing on the actual arguments presented. Unlike you spewing sophisms as a "defence". Neck yourself you disingenuous fool.

Anonymous No. 16473691

NO STOP IT STOOOP THE COUNT
YOU ARE ATTRACTING SCIENCE DENIERS!!! OH MY HECKIN BASEDENĆERINO

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Anonymous No. 16473814

>The invocation of science, of its ground rules, of the exclusive validity of the methods that science has now completely become, now constitutes a surveillance authority punishing free, uncoddled, undisciplined thought and tolerating nothing of mental activity other than what has been methodologically sanctioned. Science and scholarship, the medium of autonomy, has degenerated into an instrument of heteronomy.

Anonymous No. 16473898

Daves asshurt is hilarious.

Anonymous No. 16473954

Anons, one with PhD and long research experience in hard science , other barely sophomore yet uses professor title to deceive and grift for a living. I wonder who's more familiar with in and out of research and is in a status to criticise science.

Anonymous No. 16474079

>>16473954
Dave is right because he isn't criticizing the science. He knows the pecking order. Youtubers are downstream of science, science is downstream of God. He will not upset the balance like Martin Luther Hossenfelder.

Anonymous No. 16474802

bump

Anonymous No. 16474829

>>16474079
So he's criticizing Sabine for clickbait, as in slightly misleading information. Meanwhile he appends Professor to his name for clickbait which is a lie. He knows people would take him less seriously if he didn't (illegally) use the professor title

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Anonymous No. 16474835

https://www.edweek.org/technology/professor-dave-explains-how-he-attracted-345-000-youtube-subscribers/2019/03
>Farina, who taught in high school and undergraduate classrooms for 10 years before turning into a YouTuber, received a bachelor’s degree in chemistry from Minnesota’s Carleton College and a master’s in chemistry and science education at California State University. His career included a full-time position teaching chemistry, biology, and physics at a private school in Hollywood, and substitute teaching in the San Francisco Bay Area, before transitioning to lecturing at a trade university.
>I apply for every grant, funding, incubator--whatever I can find, and I have been very disheartened to receive none of them.
This is the faggot criticizing Sabine.

Anonymous No. 16474838

>>16474835
For those who can't parse the information, he taught at a private high school, then as a substitute teacher, then at a vocational tech school for bottom of the barrel retards. "Professor" Dave. Lmfao. He's a glorified high school teacher.

Anonymous No. 16474849

>>16469723
Sabine's converted her career over to just being someone that bitches about mainstream research instead of doing constructive work in the field or as a communicator collating information for a presentation.
Her videos are getting more shallow with time and are focused on topics that are algorithmically popular rather than ones that she is a real subject-matter expert on.
She should return to doing quantum physics news and explanations rather than generalized topics where she has less professional knowledge to share.

Anonymous No. 16474857

>>16469723
Science can't test their theories

The fascists have won

Anonymous No. 16474950

>>16474079
>he isn't criticizing the science
The what is he citicizing?

Think about it before answering.

Anonymous No. 16474951

>>16474835
So he doesn't even have a postgrad degree, but still applied for grants thinking he could get them.

And this twat thinks he understands the research landscape and professional scientific community?

Anonymous No. 16475102

>>16474835
Nothing wrong with being a teacher. But he is pretending he is a scientist

Anonymous No. 16475510

>>16469723
Two unemployed non-scientists talking about Science........mmmmmmkay.

Anonymous No. 16475690

>>16469793
>crackpot
Define this scientifically, and stop capitalizing the concept of science, it's not a proper noun you cultist.

Anonymous No. 16475694

>>16469867
>>16470848
Nobel was a dynamite salesman and his award does not indicate goodness in science, it's about baseline competency in one field and how many influential Jews specifically you know. Just like Obama got a Nobel peace prize for becoming a wartime president. Just like a Michelin star is just a vote of confidence from a tire manufacturer grown unruly.
Equally and on the other hand, this autistic lady on Youtube pointing out the bullshit of your precious global circlejerk doesn't make her wrong or a crackpot, you're just an obnoxious faggot who embodies the concept of worshiping rather than applying science.

Anonymous No. 16475807

>>16475690
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_S._Carberry
http://psychoceramics.labs.crossref.org/

Anonymous No. 16475813

You have Sabine which is a depressing channel constantly complaining just to profit off YouTube videos knowing full well she has zero effect on the problem, and then Dave with his toxicity and aggressive behavior. It feels like there are no intellectuals on YouTube that talk about the state of science nowadays, but then again I try not to get involved in this stuff.

I can't believe that when I was a child, I thought scientist=stable, rational human being, how naive.

Anonymous No. 16475825

>>16474849
Why didn't the thread end here?

Anonymous No. 16476023

>>16475813
There's plenty of really high quality STEM content on that platform, it's your own fault if the algorithm only recommends you clickbaity stuff now.