Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 07:49:49 UTC No. 16470516

>>16470508
Science is aristocratic endeavour and it will return to its old glory when we stop subsidizing plebeian scientific aspirations

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:30:55 UTC No. 16470534

>>16470508
In the United States, schools are primarily funded and operated at the local level, with some support from the state government. That's how things operated for over 200 years until the Democrats in 1979 created the US Department of Education to tinker around with how education was implemented. This was an attempt to remove local and state control and centralize it in Washington DC, with career bureaucrats deciding what is the best way to provide education.
Conservatives have long lamented the use of the Department of Education to push ideologies onto students across the nation that don't match their local communities but are whatever is in favor by the lifelong bureaucrats in DC. They want to eliminate this department and return to the individual states the ability to regulate and operate the education system in their particular state. Why should an elementary school in Idaho have to comply with dictates from Washington DC handed down by people who have never been to Idaho?
That said, only about 30% of the department's budget is related to elementary and high school education. The majority, about 60%, is for student loans and grants to attend university. About 10% is pure overhead, though there's also lots of waste within the 30% for lower education and 60% for higher education.
Transferring the loans and grants over to the Department of Commerce would make it easier to eliminate the portion of the Department of Education that is focused on interfering with how schools are run at the local level.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:32:01 UTC No. 16470535

>>16470534
For Joe Average, this would result in hikes in their property taxes in the short term as the way the DoEd controls behavior is through "grants" that no longer would exist (nor the strings that come attached to them). School budgets could be altered over time to be smaller as they would no longer have to pay so much to comply with dictates from DC. That takes time. In theory, Joe Average should see a reduction in his income tax but since so much of federal government spending is through debt creation, the real savings would be through reduced inflation, which isn't something easy to perceive as being directly connected to the elimination of DoEd's mucking around in local school affairs.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:09:33 UTC No. 16470567

That's a good thing. America has gone stale. To continue the social experiment you need to disturb and perturb

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:22:33 UTC No. 16470573

>>16470534
>push ideologies onto students across the nation that don't match their local communities but are whatever is in favor by the lifelong bureaucrats in DC.
what are the scientific and mathematical implications of this? are schools allowed to teach conservative forces now?

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:25:08 UTC No. 16470575

>>16470534
>Why should an elementary school in Idaho have to comply with dictates from Washington DC handed down by people who have never been to Idaho?
To standardise the curriculum and not allow children born in the 3rd world states to be raised as slaves

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:26:07 UTC No. 16470576

>>16470508
That's a good thing you unironically uneducated retard. Consider the following. The department of education was created in 1980, which means that only two generations experienced schooling under it: millennials and genz (not counting alpha since they're still in school). These two generations have, on average, the worst critical thinking skills. Or how about this. How the fuck do you think education worked prior to the 80s? Hint. They had higher standards.

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:27:52 UTC No. 16470577

>>16470576
>These two generations have, on average, the worst critical thinking skills.
I guess this is self evident if they voted for Trump

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:28:15 UTC No. 16470578

>>16470508
Public schools are horrific propoganda machines catering to the lowest common denominator and stifled on a top down level by bureaucratic parasites.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:31:55 UTC No. 16470580

>>16470576
What made the department of education so bad compared to the department of health, education, and welfare? Can anyone cite some /sci/entific studies?

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:33:04 UTC No. 16470581

>>16470508
Basically he wants to create a new, more stupid and more pliable working class. This will be required for his dream of bringing industry back to America to compete with China. He wants to turn white Americans back into the rural Chinese working class.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:44:04 UTC No. 16470586

>>16470581
>Create the US Department of Education, students become dumber.
>Eliminate the US Department of Education, students become dumber.
Perhaps there's something else at play here.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:45:28 UTC No. 16470587

>>16470576
There is a lot not nuance as to why the DoE of education has failed to produce higher quality graduates than the historical decentralized system. The potential for producing higher standards was there and some of the pedagocal approaches that they tried to implement were genuinely good (e.g. much earlier focus on arrays/linear algebra over single variable arithmetics). The standards dropping is literally due to catering to the lowest common denominator (niggers; no point in minching words).

The fact is that not everyone needs a highschool diploma, never mind a university degree. For most people they would be far better served ending their general education at 14 and being taught a trade (as well as all the "life skills" things quarter wits always complain about not being taught and being too dumb to figure like opening a bank account or whatever). The earlier start to income earnings will culminate into better home and retirement savings later in life. A big win for these individuals and the economy. The midwits should be taught liberal arts in greater depth (especially the trivium logic, rhetoric and grammar) and these people should aspire to start and run middle sized enterprises and companies that garner real wealth instead of being cog stamped wagies.

Only the highwits should be given top tier education leading into STEM, medicine and law. And here we will be able to invest far more into their education and students will be able to move faster without the previous two groups.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:51:23 UTC No. 16470590

>>16470581
There will be a massive difference in lifestyles of Chinese to American workers. Without hordes of third world immigrants American wages are about to rise again for the first time in 50 years.

Statistically the US is one of the least trade dependent nations on Earth. You're making a massive mistake if you think it needs to export or imported slave labour produced goods to be prosperous. The American domestic consumer economy will actually increase massively from the higher worker earnings and if tariffs increase American companies and workers will have a massive opportunity to eat that cake.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:51:57 UTC No. 16470591

>>16470580
>HEW ran a Community Public Health Program, which was famous for its grants to cities like Chicago for rat control. It ran a Solid Waste program focused on municipal waste issues, like how to build sanitary landfills rather than dumps. It also had a radiation program under which it wrote standards on things like microwave ovens.
Interesting how much of what it did involved running city services that locals weren't competent enough to run themselves. Guess that's were the core mindset came from when they created the Department of Education from splitting up HEW. As for your question, education doesn't appear to have been a very big part of what the agency did, while the agency overall was much smaller then than the Department of Education itself is now.
>>16470575
We have illiterates graduating high school now due to "civil rights" enforcement eliminating standards. You've traded your fantasy of what Idaho used to be like for the reality of what Baltimore is like today. If you were a smart partisan, you'd point out that some of the blame rests on 'No Child Left Behind, which was a creation of the Bush administration.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 15:04:02 UTC No. 16470816

>>16470591
You can't expect leftists to be fact based when their entire ideology is about emotional manipulation to begin with.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 15:22:44 UTC No. 16470838

>>16470575
You say that in country where the average graduate can't read at grade level, math is an unknown concept and test have been dumbed down or straight up removed to lower the bar to this new generation of cattle

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 17:42:23 UTC No. 16471065

>>16470508
DOE is designed to destroy the education system, not improve it. If you want to more easily control a population you dumb them down, teach them the wrong things, they become more controllable.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:01:38 UTC No. 16471087

>>16470516
>>16470534
>>16470567
>>16470576
>>16470578
>>16470586
Retards.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:05:46 UTC No. 16471090

>>16470587
>>16470590
>>16470591
>>16470816
>>16470838
>>16471065
Retards.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:13:18 UTC No. 16471096

>>16471087
>>16471090
Retard.

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:26:30 UTC No. 16471105

>>16471096
It's 4chan man, everyone loves trump, wants white men to control everything and suck the republic white penis, what can you do?

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:31:30 UTC No. 16471109

>>16470516
Flat Earther engineers, mathematicians, physicists, geophysicists and other chads are working right now outside of academia to bring back real science, don't worry

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:40:55 UTC No. 16471118

>>16471109
Retard take

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:42:46 UTC No. 16471123

>>16470516
Absolutely based. Only the elite should lead the progress of the nation, the rest ought to go and pick apples.
>>16470534
Seems like abolishing the DOE is a good thing overall.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:46:34 UTC No. 16471127

ITT people who are mad they failed in school

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:49:58 UTC No. 16471133

>>16471127
I got a perfect highschool GPA including for AP classes, perfect SAT score and would eventually go on to get my doctorate.

That doesn't mean I appreciated being slowed down by disruptive niggers in class for my most of schooling years.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:59:38 UTC No. 16471142

>>16470508
>>>/pol/

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:12:27 UTC No. 16471152

>>16471133
Uh huh. Sure, kid. You know the department of education has nothing to do with No Child Left Behind, right? Weird that the Department of Education didn't "slow down" education before Bush jr, huh? You're just mad that you failed in school and you're looking for someone else to blame.

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:51:52 UTC No. 16471176

>>16471142
Read the subject field of the OP.