🧵 What's your solution for climate change, /sci/?
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 23:38:25 UTC No. 16472553
And by solution, I mean your long-term survival plan.
I don't expect the rich to willingly fix this mess by themselves, and we have less than 20 years before the Earth becomes Venus (not really, but will sure feel like it).
So... how are you planning to survive this, /sci/?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:05:44 UTC No. 16472591
seriously?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:06:33 UTC No. 16472592
fewer people is the easiest way, but good luck convincing 8 billion people to not make it 9 billion people and so on
the only thing that will limit environmental change is when it becomes economically unprofitable to continue to ignore it
question hound calmly sitting in a burning room is EXACTLY the situation we are in
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:16:49 UTC No. 16472602
>>16472553
Any plan you make will likely not pan out. Conflict and climate refugees will make survival a roll of the dice.
Make your plans, but instead of trusting in them you should amend your soil with charged biochar and encourage others to do so to try to buy more time. You can make your own charged biochar by crushing lump charcoal and soaking it in a nutrient solution like compost tea. If you have a compost/vermicompost pile, which everyone should, then you can put the charcoal directly in your pile at up to 20% by volume to charge it, decrease the greenhouse gases produced by your pile, and prevent the nutrients from leeching out of your pile. If you have livestock then you can add it to their feed at 2% by weight to charge it and it will improve their digestion, reduce the greenhouse gasses they produce, and reduce the odor of their manure. Amending your lawn by aerating it and filling the holes with charged biochar will save you a lot of water, especially if your soil is clayey. Amending your garden will save you water, encourage beneficial soil microbes, and improve plant growth. There's no downsides.
Not yet hacker at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:23:30 UTC No. 16472606
So if you abandon your emotion and look at sample 32 module b you find the same discomfort all across the board
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 01:02:33 UTC No. 16472626
>>16472591
Are you seriously a climate change denier, anon?
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 01:21:50 UTC No. 16472665
>>16472592
why don't you start by killing yourself?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 01:28:52 UTC No. 16472685
>>16472665
i essentially said to not add so many people, not to kill people
literally every fucking smoothbrain immediately jumps to the "kill people" conclusion which baffles me
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 01:29:51 UTC No. 16472687
>>16472553
Our best chance for salvation was 2010s era Elon Musk but the DC parasite class decided to shove a grenade up its own asshole instead. Survival plan is to buy cheap tracts of subarctic land in the taiga, transplant vines from Champagne, hold for 20 years, corner the market on bubbly.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 03:30:40 UTC No. 16472878
>>16472553
Personally, my plan is to use technology to engage in all-out meme warfare on behalf of the environment, until my will becomes the popular will and we can do the following:
Get rid of inefficient global supply chains and innovate in optimization of local production and distribution of food supply in a way that can be applied broadly to essentially solve the problem of hunger and make access to food a non-issue. Primarily target food waste. So much food goes bad before being eaten or is thrown away.
Our current engineering knowledge could solve the caloric needs of the entire globe, but first we must get the heavily breeding 3rd worlders addicted to some dopamine source like 1st worlders so they stop having so many kids. Make their countries nice little Wall-E camps for them so they stop coming to ours.
War on consumerism. The sheer excess of worthless crap is over.
The global economy is built on a house of cards and needs to collapse before we can make any progress. This collapse should be made to be as painless as possible for the global 99%.
Abandon mob rule as a political system. Totally disenfranchise anyone who lacks the intelligence to comprehend future consequences. Only people with theory of mind have the right to make decisions that impact others' rights.
Throw as many intelligent people at the energy problem as necessary. Drastically cut the most exorbitant wastes of energy. Optimize use of our current technologies for generation, distribution, and storage. Search for the paradigm shift breakthrough in cheap energy generation.
Actively work to curtail the out-of-control feedback loops changing the ocean and atmosphere. If the phytoplankton die off, it's all over.
Probably a lot more, bored now.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 03:39:25 UTC No. 16472894
>>16472685
>literally every fucking smoothbrain immediately jumps to the "kill people" conclusion
Because they can't think of a better solution, that's what they would do in a position of power when faced with the need to fix the climate issue.
Which is why it's important to get actual scientists in positions of power to then influence climate action, not just some random oil executives.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 20:22:57 UTC No. 16473811
>>16472553
Massive iron salting of the oceans, and then scoop up the resulting algae mass for food and soil improvement.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 20:38:27 UTC No. 16473821
>>16472553
There is no solution. This is a political-economic problem. There is no scientific solution.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 20:59:09 UTC No. 16473838
>>16473821
How would you describe the political economic problem
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 21:32:34 UTC No. 16473882
>>16472878
>engage in all-out meme warfare on behalf of the environment
HOLY MOTHER OF BASED
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:21:04 UTC No. 16473933
>>16472553
Nothing. Why should I care? My country is going to hell and I will never have children, let the world burn.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:31:39 UTC No. 16473945
>I'M GONNA SAVE THE WORLD!!!!
>JUST LIKE MUH SUPERHEROES IN MUH MARVEL COMIX MOOOOVIES!!!!
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:40:28 UTC No. 16473959
>>16473838
NTA but we are in the end game of the Iron Law of the Oligarchy.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:55:27 UTC No. 16473982
>>16472878
Make sure you include biochar as a part of your social engineering memes >>16472602
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:58:26 UTC No. 16473988
>>16473959
Sure, a bigger umbrella means more dry people get abused by the underside of the umbrella. How is that an end game, though? Isn't it more circular?
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 23:05:10 UTC No. 16473992
>>16472553
here is the unpleasant truth.
somewhere between 2035 and 2040 we are done.
done like the end has arrived.
the first countries will already be fucked in 2030.
there is no solution but leaving the bullshit we are doing behind us.
and by bullshit I mean the endless growth myth.
physics is not a negotiating partner.
fuck around, find out.
we are way to many, became too comfortable and all act like diva pussies.
the point of no return is now and I doubt something will happen in the near future.
1.5°C is over, 2°C is over, 2.5°C will soon be over.
protip:
for 4000 years we travelled by horses and my grandpa was still a smith, that is not a joke.
now we act like we all could daily a electric drone to work in the near future.
we are dumbed down by growing up in this state of having everything, driving and flying everywhere.
>leave the water running while brushing your teeth
>have all eletronics on standby or running 24/7
>forget to turn off the heating while venting or while not even at home
its not the high temperatures or the droughts or floods or torrential rains or misharvests or the refugees or thawing of permafrost or the lack of diversity of living organisms or the occupation with pests and so on and so on.
its simple the fact that it all happens at the same time that will kill us.
you want to survive?
grow your own food, chop wood and pray you dont need to see a doctor.
and pray that others that are in need, dont find out where your food is growing.
you shoot them? then they shoot you. there is no security.
you want a solution, you want security? last call.
we could have that by ending this bullshit as a community now.
only now.
you have money on your bank account?
only will help you until the end has arrived and not a single day longer than that.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 23:39:55 UTC No. 16474026
>>16473992
Money is social pressure. If you can exert social pressure without money, you're already half way there.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 00:11:40 UTC No. 16474071
Nothing. Capitalism destroyed the planet. It's over. We are DONE.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 01:18:49 UTC No. 16474153
>>16474071
Capitalism is literally just a bank printing fake money. How did that destroy the planet lol
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 01:20:49 UTC No. 16474157
>>16472553
There's no man made climate change OP, is the Sun and volcanic activity, that defines variations in temperature.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 01:41:52 UTC No. 16474177
>>16472553
they are gonna take too long to cut CO2 emissions but its fine since they are gonna start putting sulphur dioxide in the upper atmosphere to keep shit from getting bad and they will just keep doing that until fossil fuels become less relevant and CO2 capture is more of a thing
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 01:48:23 UTC No. 16474186
>>16474157
>the Sun and volcanic activity, that defines variations in temperature
If you think the weather can be reduced to two variables, then you are even dumber than you think they are lol.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 02:46:42 UTC No. 16474253
>>16474186
>the weather can't just be reduced to two variables, its way more complicated and complex and unpredictable than that
>btw i can predict what the weather is going to be like in 100 years
this is another common case where someone in the grips of narcissistic personality disorder is incapable of seeing the blatant illogic of their beliefs because the emotional pleasure of presuming themselves omniscient overwhelms their critical thinking capability
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 06:35:27 UTC No. 16474425
>>16473811
>Destroying the ocean even further just for short term food and soil improvement
Are humans incapable of thinking about any long term solutions?
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 06:44:58 UTC No. 16474435
>>16474153
The entire idea of corporate capitalism is based on the premise of endless growth.
The line has to go up, production has to go up, consumption has to go up, endlessly.
If your line isn't going up, then investors aren't getting increasingly richer, which means you must be failing as a corporation.
In certain countries, such investors (aka shareholders) can even sue the corporation for not making the line go up enough.
This is the economic system we are living with, while also living in a planet with finite resources. Make it make sense.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 06:47:19 UTC No. 16474438
>>16474177
>We are going to nuclear winter ourselves with sulphur dioxide
Aren't we doing that already? Isn't sulphur dioxide one of the side effects of fossil fuel combustion?
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 06:48:48 UTC No. 16474439
>>16474177
And when sulfur dioxide has its own unintended consequences on the climate, what then? The sheer amount of it required to be continuously spewed into the atmosphere would necessitate planes, which will themselves increase emissions considerably. Geoengineering seems a scam to me. Same goes for >>16473811
>>16474157
Source? I seem to recall that we're actually supposed to be in a period of global cooling according to the sun's cycles of activity.
https://science.nasa.gov/science-re
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 06:51:23 UTC No. 16474440
>>16474439
Geoengineering is not being proposed as an alternative to reducing carbon emissions. It's being proposed as an alternative to nothing, owing to the realization that it's proven economically, culturally, and systemically impossible to bring emissions under control.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 06:53:39 UTC No. 16474442
>>16474439
>period of global cooling according to the sun's cycles of activity
The sun has an 11 year solar cycle, alternating between periods of minimum and maximum activity.
Right now we're at a solar maximum, but this doesn't explain the 200 year warming that started right after the industrial revolution.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 06:59:37 UTC No. 16474444
>>16474440
Right, it's just delaying the inevitable. At best we gain a few decades from it, at worst the geoengineering method used just ends up destroying the planet permanently.
But also...
>economically
...We shouldn't be thinking about this as "economically viable", because we either save the planet and thus also save the economy, or both are irrecoverably destroyed at the same time .
It's not possible to have an economy on a burning planet. Maybe the rich are too dumb to realize this.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 07:00:13 UTC No. 16474445
>>16474440
It's not proposed as an alternative, but may still be taken as one by climate change denialists.
Regardless, I think most proposed geoengineering methods have the potential to do more harm than good just on their own, and are usually proposed by those seeking a quick buck.
The focus I think should be on rapid adoption of renewables and nuclear, as well as cutting down on waste in supply chains and transport. I was trying to find an article for it but on the sulfur dioxide idea, I've read that you'd actually need to put an obscene amount of it into the admosphere to have any lasting effect, so I've got no hope for it as a stopgap.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 07:05:47 UTC No. 16474449
>>16474445
>rapid adoption of renewables and nuclear
Unfortunately, the nuclear energy fearmongering has won, despite being the safest.
We're not seeing any new plants being built, it's almost like nuclear energy has slowly stagnated for the past three decades.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 07:19:41 UTC No. 16474460
>>16474444
The economy, the rich, society, whatever you want to call it, are not rational. They are obeying a process by which organizations attempt to acquire more influence, and will continue to do so or be outcompeted. This process cannot be subverted because the relationship between cheap energy and influence is fundamental, and it cannot be disconnected from the environment because impact on the environment is also a product of that same influence. In capitalism we call this influence wealth, other systems have other names for it. Nations require it too so economics can't touch the problem. It's fundamental.
Using cheap energy benefits whoever does it - be they a company, bureau, or nation - so trying to regulate it is not a sustainable long-term solution. Not because everyone is rational and greedy and you can't stop them, but because everyone is constantly exploring the state space and life will eventually find a way. Get back to me if you ever come up with a perfect enlightened one-world government.
So what do we do?
>Ignore the problem and hope it goes away / isn't real
>Bitch and moan and hope someone smarter than us comes up with a perfect solution, and then hope everyone on the planet decides to obey them forever
>Use the tools available to actually address the problem in the best way we can, however imperfect, to avoid utter catastrophe
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 16:40:55 UTC No. 16474930
>>16472553
Hypercapacitors (that is, capacitors with extremely high energy density) will solve everything.
Solar energy will simply become the standard and we can basically handle all of the energy needs of the world (including all of the world's fleet, steel and cement production and heating and cooling) with a Guatemala-sized solar farm. We just need a way to store and dispense all of that electricity. Thus, the hypercapacitor.
I believe that getting the capacitors with the energy density of hydrogen (around 40kwh per kg) is more than enough for humanity to enter an abundance age.
We just have to invent it.
>buuuuh steel and cement
for steel look up Boston Metal and for cement people already use renewables for heating of the calcination process.
>buuuh calcination releases CO2 regardless of the energy source
Tough luck.
>buuuh solar panels are expensiveeee
no, they're not. the chinks took care of that already.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 16:54:00 UTC No. 16474942
We need ASI to come about and wipe out humanity.
then, ASI being a very intelligent entity will become its own civilization that's capable of coordination that sapiens couldn't have dreamed of. and that's it.
John the fisherman at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 16:56:55 UTC No. 16474945
So I still don't give you the formula you are just debunking my thoughts like a mind reading sociopath?
Am I correct?
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:19:39 UTC No. 16474973
>>16472553
>Magic climate apocalypse will happen in our lifetime because we're special.
>We're so double plus special that we're the ones that will cause global climate disaster by turning 0.04% to 0.05%
Lmao point and Laugh at this retard. Drink the coolaid along with the rest of your Jonestown fellowship already
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:24:09 UTC No. 16474980
mask you sumthin /sci/
if you're so convinced of global warming why not start getting land in the north like greenland and canada? You would be a billionaire if you did this right now and your predictions are correct since it will become a new fresh temperate climate in less than 20 years.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 19:20:30 UTC No. 16475090
>>16474071
>Nothing. Capitalism destroyed the planet. It's over. We are DONE.
>MUH HECKIN' CaPITALISM
cringe, go back to your alt left subreddits
>>16474489
based
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 19:27:15 UTC No. 16475101
>>16472878
>War on consumerism
never gonna happen, people are addicted to having stuff
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 20:15:46 UTC No. 16475179
total polar bear death
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 20:31:55 UTC No. 16475200
>>16472553
If life gets bad I’ll just kill myself lol. Whats the point in autistically sticking around for no reason?
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 20:40:22 UTC No. 16475212
>>16474253
Not sure what you're getting at here since the first line of greentext is just a simplification of why the second line is silly.