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๐Ÿงต /scg/ - STEM career general

Anonymous No. 16478039

Studying for over a decade so you can end up poor and angry edition

Previous Thread: >>16441427

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Anonymous No. 16478310

>>16478039
We REALY need some more upbeat images for these threads.

Anonymous No. 16478313

How high of an IQ should you have for various branches of STEM?
ex: electrical engineering, computer science, applied mathematics, and how does this vary by subfield? for instance, one who focuses on topology vs number theory for instance

Anonymous No. 16478315

>>16478313
I would like to know what the lowest and highest IQ engineers are, I only ever see that one chart where it's all lumped into "engineer"

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Anonymous No. 16478323

Would I be a tit for /goingback/ for a chemistry degree at 30? Please respond.

Anonymous No. 16478329

you guys actually like science and shiet. i just want to program for a check.

Anonymous No. 16478337

>>16478323
I'm le going back for an EE (assosiactes) degree, but only because work is paying for it. If you have a goal in sight go for for it friendo

Anonymous No. 16478340

>>16478329
I did engineering purely for the money. I get a kick out of all these upper middle class dweebs who are anxious to get a PhD so they can fulfill their status striving.
My mom cut hair for a living. I still remember nights where she could only give a plain slice of bread to my sisters and I for dinner and she sat with her face in her hands crying at the kitchen table. I am legit retarded and put myself through an engineering program fueled by nothing but repressed rage. My only motivation was money. Never let these retards tell you it isn't about the money or meme you about "passion." They grew up bored in million dollar McMansions on daddy's money and are confused about what their life is supposed to be.

Anonymous No. 16478344

>>16478337
>assosiactes

Anonymous No. 16478357

>>16478344
FOR CHRISTS SAKE SHE HAS AN ASSOCIATES DEGREE!

Anonymous No. 16478361

>>16478344
Assosiactes - the mythological hero of ancient Greece who was slain by the vicious Bashelor of Deerge

Anonymous No. 16478424

>>16478340
>upper middle class
You don't need to be upper middle class to be able to afford food
>confused about what their life is supposed to be
About making money? Kek

Anonymous No. 16478431

>>16478313
For electrical enginering it varies a lot by subfield.
Usually for embedded software design and digital circuit design: 70 IQ
For power engineering, analog circuit design, control systems, information theory and signal processing: 120 IQ
For RF engineering and solid-state physics: 130 IQ

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Anonymous No. 16478442

>over 100 applicants for a senior vice president level position
Are there really this many qualified people out there? No wonder I can't compete. Everyone is qualified as fuck.

Anonymous No. 16478452

>>16478442
nah 90% are Indians and the other 9% are just dudes testing their luck

Anonymous No. 16478491

>>16478442
No, just steamroll em'

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Anonymous No. 16478493

I officially got my bs in physics last year and I'm making $16/hr.

Anonymous No. 16478495

>>16478431
You really think the chemistry side of things is more complicated than statistical signal processing or stochastic optimization? I only know my part of the field (information theoretic signal detection) but most of the RF and chemistry/materials EE people I know specifically went into it because the "math was easier" than the systems track (which is basically just doing an applied math degree focusing on applications of analysis to engineering problems).

Anonymous No. 16478496

>>16478493
Damn bro. Walmart starts at $14 an hour to put boxes of Captain Crunch on a shelf.

Anonymous No. 16478504

>>16478496
Should I just apply to a bunch of places and see if I can land one that pays 20+?

Anonymous No. 16478507

>>16478504
You should probably grind it out at a job that utilizes your degree even if it's low paying at first.
You might have a similar floor to a Walmart worker right now but the degree gives you a higher ceiling (unless said Walmart worker becomes general manager)

Anonymous No. 16478525

>>16478493
Don't you know a PhD is the new BSc?

๐Ÿ—‘๏ธ Anonymous No. 16478754

>>16478495
Hardware side of RF has an easier math that's true. But the electromagnetics side, not at all.

Anonymous No. 16478757

>>16478525
It makes sense considering the ease of access to the information compared to older times without computer.

Anonymous No. 16478786

>>16478495
The hardware design side of RF is simpler, that's true. But the electromagnetics side is not at all. In my experience there was more advanced mathematics in computational electromagnetics and EMI/EMC lectures than in signals and systems related stuff. You have to be good at numerics, vector calculus and complex analysis at a bare minimum and then there are the new things like differential geometry, functional and variational analysis and stochastic fields that I have never encountered in any other subfield's lectures.

Anonymous No. 16478825

Semiconductors, renewable energy, automobile, pharma.

Which sector should I pick?

Anonymous No. 16478922

>>16478825
IQ?

Anonymous No. 16478954

>>16478825
Lors IQ, Bernd?

Anonymous No. 16478963

I'm studying electrical engineering and don't know which specialization to pick:
Automation / mechatronics (is both in the same specialization) or electronics / communication engineering

Give me some advice pls
I'm in Germany btw and there are lots of semiconductor companies near my city

110 IQ and struggling with depression (especially tfw no gf) btw

Anonymous No. 16478968

>>16478039
> physics professor
> paid poorly
> homeless
start flipping burgers boomer

Anonymous No. 16478972

>>16478039
If someone is "smart" enough to get a big, fancy STEM degree, they really should be smart enough to figure out how to pay their rent, shouldn't they?

Pro Tip: if nobody is paying you good money for your "research", you aren't doing good research.

Now, STFU and go get my Latte along with the rest of the "very smart" Ph.D's working at Starbucks.

Anonymous No. 16478974

>>16478323
Not at all. Just make sure you have a job waiting and you'll probably have to do at least a Masters, so it will take some time, but no one will care much about your age, really.

Anonymous No. 16479017

>>16478963
I'm also studying EE in Germany. You should just pick what's more fun to you. I think you won't have trouble getting a job either way. I personally decided to go for automation, partially because of the versatile applicability. You can work for BASF and design control loops for chemical processes, but also work in robotics or in the automotive industry etc.
You should try out one or two lectures of each specialization if you can. Or at least take a look at the lecture notes for them to get a first impression. In my university you can still switch your specialization later on. I definitely wouldn't commit too early but instead try to get as much information as possible to see if you actually like the specialization. I originally picked something with electronics but then switched to automation later on.

Anonymous No. 16479036

>>16478922
>>16478954
131

Anonymous No. 16479486

>>16478972
Autistic people are terrible at finances, and it doesn't even occur to them to apply for other jobs, so they just scream at people until they get what they want instead.

Anonymous No. 16479625

What will put food on the table and shelter above my head, either in academia or industry, pure or applied math? Whatever it is it will have to do with analysis, my brain wrenches only that way

Anonymous No. 16479735

>>16478431
>embedded software design and digital circuit design: 70 IQ
I find that really hard to believe, especially as embedded software often requries assembly programming with very limited debug means.

t.Physicist who used to do embedded assembly programming

Anonymous No. 16479737

>>16478493
>I officially got my bs in physics last year
A congratulations! is in order.
> and I'm making $16/hr.
You are worth more than that.

>>16478525
Sadly, this is more or less the truth and a PhD is recommended in Physics in the FAQ.

Anonymous No. 16479839

>>16478825
What does this even mean?
You have a job offer from each of those?

Anonymous No. 16479946

What would the best graduate degree for a BSc in CS be, if I want to pursue one in math/natural sciences? For instance, what could I do with a masters, or even PhD in applied maths? Assume an IQ of ~115

Anonymous No. 16479960

>>16479735
No one writes assembly anymore, it's mostly C. And a 70 IQ retard can easily write 10 lines of barely-functioning C code in a day as long as you have a few overworked 120 IQs on the team "reviewing" it (i.e. writing it for them).
Limited debugging just means we have a ridiculously long turnaround for finding and fixing bugs. The solution is more overworked 120 IQs running integration testing 7 days a week and "helping" the monkeys "fix" "their" code (i.e. rewriting it for them).
t. embedded software engineer

Anonymous No. 16479964

>>16478825
murrica wants more inhouse chip making. Having the skills to run a semiconductor plant could work out quite well imo

Anonymous No. 16479973

>dropped out of CS program because maths got too hard
>changed to brainlet business major with minor in management information systems
>graduated more than 2 years ago
>still unemployed
regrets

Anonymous No. 16479989

>>16479973
From what I've seen you probably had even worse chances of jobs with the CS degree.

Anonymous No. 16480183

If I want a research role in the AI/Machine learning industry in the future, what do I need to do in my Undergraduate/Masters? Do I need to have lots of research papers published? Can I do without a PhD?

Anonymous No. 16480241

>PI wants me to do a complex, time consuming, expensive, pain in the ass experiment that will need a fuckload of optimisation and that I'm certain will show nothing of interest anyway near the end of my PhD
>do a quick, cheap, easy experiment that measures that exact same thing instead, shows nothing of interest as expected
>PI says there's probably no point doing the pain in the ass experiment now
I'm amazed by my genius and laziness.

Anonymous No. 16480268

>>16480241
There's a saying that a great programmer is lazy, impatient, and prideful. Always searching for the lowest-effort solution, preferring immediate results, and wanting the computer to do as much of the work as possible. I suspect this is true everywhere.

Anonymous No. 16480319

I got my BS in EE about a year ago, is it worth it to get a MS in EE as well?

Anonymous No. 16480351

>>16480183
You will likely need at least a masters, papers help which is why PhDs are useful. If you want a cheatcode there is a 2nd year undergraduate attached to my research group who has more papers than me because he is attached to the ai interpretability community, which anyone can get involved in by joining their discord and showing interest. On the bad side you will also need to be in a polycule and start using the word "epistemic" too much

Anonymous No. 16480400

>>16478493
Take the quant pill(I havent even get my BsC yet but I'll autism maxx on statistical mech/stochastic calc just to get them sweet quantbux)

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Anonymous No. 16480421

I have decided to REJECT the postdoc. Bye bye faggots!

Anonymous No. 16480599

Why is every civil engineering job post only about qs/cost estimation or CAD drafting? who the fuck actually designs these projects?

Anonymous No. 16480610

>>16480599
*CAD work, my bad

Anonymous No. 16480625

>>16478039
Unironically what is the point of a PhD? I seriously considered doing one because I was doing great research, but the entirety of your PhD revolves around printing papers, even more so when youre in a great school or under a famous advisor. 90% of the time, you'll be working in an overcrowded field so most of your contributions will amount to nothing, if you do work in a field where you can make real advances, it's usually underfunded. Meanwhile, the dumbest motherfuckers in your class are on their way to make 150k+ a year by job hopping, and by the end of your PhD, they visited countries, had 3 professional experiences, work in a FAANG/Big Pharma all with less effort and pain.

Even if you znd up discovering something insane, chances are some kid out of school will get rich off of your idea by building a startup around it, while you're designing your next conference poster that nobody will read.

The only explainable reason for the amount of PhDs in the US has to be euros, indians and chineses using grad studies to immigrate, there is no other way.

Anonymous No. 16480629

It will be a miracle if I am allowed into grad school. I feel humiliated just attaching my transcript. Whoever evaluates this piece of shit is going to be cringing so hard.

Anonymous No. 16480636

>>16480625
Personally I gave up on phd when I realized the only reason I was an incel was the severe lack of women in my field. I had one gap year working as an engie making 110k, and I would spend time in hobbyist/otaku/gaming communities in my spare time where most people are neets or losers, and me having my life somewhat figured out made it extremely easy to get into dating within these communities, I couldn't believe there were women out there that would even consider me as an option but here I was dating multiple girls.
I came back to academia and the incel lifestyle came back, I was making no money, had no time for friends, was overworked and had zero female presence in my life. I dropped out, fuck this shit.

Anonymous No. 16480658

>>16480629
Same
wagmi frendo

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Anonymous No. 16480717

>>16478493
I got a masters and make 14.88 dollars an hour and no i am not joking

Anonymous No. 16480722

It shows that I'd have a lot of respect for my good heart and what could have been if it wasn't for your cheating shit. Beyond that, I get a lot of respect from the generosity of mankind anyhow. That will one day be thrown at you, and witness what is to be considered existences one great painer. One in existence.

Anonymous No. 16480729

>>16480625
I thought I wanted to be a scientist.

Anonymous No. 16480785

Every day I am reminded of my failures.

๐Ÿ—‘๏ธ Anonymous No. 16480787

We're under attack by aliens. Half of our species is just probed NPCs. Birds attack us, they call niggers nigger and pave the way for their revenge to cause hell, harsher hell combo. You'll know one day and think all your actions was worthless.

Anonymous No. 16480943

Why is engineering so fucking boring? I thought they would let me build stuff but it is literally lawyers with AutoCAD.

Anonymous No. 16480996

>>16479960
>No one writes assembly anymore, it's mostly C.
I did both.
>And a 70 IQ retard can easily write 10 lines of barely-functioning C code in a day
Sure, but the topic was assembly code.
>as long as you have a few overworked 120 IQs on the team "reviewing" it (i.e. writing it for them).
Why would you emply such people??
>Limited debugging just means we have a ridiculously long turnaround for finding and fixing bugs. The solution is more overworked 120 IQs running integration testing 7 days a week and "helping" the monkeys "fix" "their" code (i.e. rewriting it for them).
Hot take: employ competent people.
>t. embedded software engineer
And what do you estimate your IQ to be?

Anonymous No. 16481128

I want a really clean looking resume to impress the HR sluts like Patrick Bateman. Do I really need to write a lot of words on there?

Anonymous No. 16481153

>>16478039
College was a mistake I shouldve done trade school and join an electrician Union lol

Anonymous No. 16481169

>>16480636
>the only reason I was an incel was the severe lack of women in my field
This will be my cope from now on. Thank you anon

Anonymous No. 16481182

>>16480636
>I was making no money,[...] and had zero female presence in my life
Just how heartfelt is it really when postdoc income is a killer for relationships? I was credit checked once by women at work (shortly after I quit academia and the postdoc lifestyle), and they deemed my financial moxie to be far too insufficient for their needs. My reputation was well and truly shot.

Anonymous No. 16481271

In my first semester of a PhD. Is it normal to be so depressed you basically can't get out of bed for days?

Anonymous No. 16481289

>>16480629
>>16480658
Baste

Anonymous No. 16481491

>>16480717
A masters in what?