🧵 Untitled Thread
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 21:13:04 UTC No. 16478174
What are the other contending theories for how the universe began besides big bang and god?
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 00:44:59 UTC No. 16478401
>>16478174
That it always existed. The universe has no beginning or end.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 00:49:17 UTC No. 16478405
>>16478174
You're not getting any replies because you're a catposter. This is a canine board
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 01:02:07 UTC No. 16478414
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 03:50:00 UTC No. 16478541
>>16478174
Simulation theory
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 00:14:01 UTC No. 16480001
>>16478541
In that theory no one should suffer consequences of their actions because muh coding.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 00:21:19 UTC No. 16480010
>>16478174
ouroboros
multiverse
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 01:04:43 UTC No. 16480062
>>16478174
Zero Ontology. The universe contains zero information, so everything is in a sense nothingness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdD
https://qualiacomputing.com/2015/11
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 01:05:46 UTC No. 16480066
>>16478174
Various theories on why reality exists:
https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-a
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 02:03:49 UTC No. 16480100
>>16478174
The big bang is not a theory of how the universe started, but how an existing universe expanded.
By the kalam cosmological argument, there must be a creator to our universe. This is outside the realm of science since it's not falsifiable, but it still logically follows from rational reasoning (math is also not scientific but we still think of it as rigorous).
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 02:47:05 UTC No. 16480136
>>16478174
>>16480066
>Why is there something, rather than nothing?
Why should we expect there to be nothing? This question assumes nothing is "default" or "normal" but we have no reason to believe this.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 02:49:50 UTC No. 16480139
When I think about this it makes me anxious so I'm just not going to think about it.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 06:37:46 UTC No. 16480277
>>16480136
Because all our physics theories imply that something cannot come from nothing (reason 1), and our logical tools tell us that everything we observe is contingent on something else, so we also require an agent that is not contingent on anything else at some point, that is NOT our universe or inside it (reason 2).
We have extremely good reasons to believe that there should be nothing instead of something by default, unless...
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 06:45:54 UTC No. 16480282
>>16480277
>all our physics theories imply that something cannot come from nothing
Except that we exist, and presumably if nothing were the default state and that were true, we wouldn't, so one of those two things is false.
>our logical tools tell us that everything we observe is contingent on something else
Except some hypothetical miracle basic thing that somehow must exist even though we can't observe or imagine it.
I don't see any good reasons here, just extrapolating models well beyond the scope of their intended use or utility.
Usually when confronted with an observation that invalidates a model, we would prefer to reject the model or at least acknowledge its limitations. But for some reason when it comes to the most obvious observation possible, nope the universe must be wrong.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 06:59:57 UTC No. 16480296
it was me
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:00:59 UTC No. 16480297
>>16478541
Besides god. Retard
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:12:27 UTC No. 16480306
>>16478174
"Electric/plasma universe theory" doesnt believe in the big bang.
It thinks the electromagnetic force accounts for gravity, dark matter, dark energy. And it also thinks (due to axial tilts) earth was once a moon of saturn, and saturn was a brown dwarf captured by the sun.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:14:54 UTC No. 16480309
>>16480306
You mean this shit?
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 10:30:06 UTC No. 16480413
>>16480282
I don't have to argue with bad faith actors
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 10:36:21 UTC No. 16480419
The great vortex.
The idea that it's just a simulation caused by a twirling vortex were trapped in that provides all the necessary source for us to experience a universe.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 12:57:37 UTC No. 16480620
Last Thursdayism
The entire universe was created last Thursday in its current condition with all our memories etc.
That's also why I always wake up with a brutal headache on Fridays, that and the vodka
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 13:04:29 UTC No. 16480635
Barkon, king of sci ism
The theory that this universe revolves around the king of sci and all matter and hope belongs to him. His blood is the reason we can all SEE, and that we should thank him.
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Nov 2024 17:09:46 UTC No. 16480883
>>16478174
>beggining
And thet's where you are wrong kiddo!
It was always there.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:28:15 UTC No. 16486085
>>16480136
>This question assumes nothing is "default" or "normal" but we have no reason to believe this.
I believe it because when I put everything down, I am holding nothing which is the default since my hands aren't grasping anything by default, I have to put effort into holding something else.
inb4: but u hold da air
No, the air holds me.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:30:11 UTC No. 16486087
>>16480277
>Because all our physics theories imply that something cannot come from nothing
No, they don't, physics says forces can come from nothing via vacuum fluctuation and casimir effects.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:30:12 UTC No. 16486088
Every theory on how universe "began" is incredibly low IQ religious cope.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:30:14 UTC No. 16486089
>>16486085
Retard nothing ain't a thing, it's no thing. You can't hold it.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:31:19 UTC No. 16486091
>>16486087
And this physics is false. So what?
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:32:20 UTC No. 16486092
>>16486088
Intelligence quotes are for the weak minded.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:33:01 UTC No. 16486094
>>16486089
Yea and atom literally means the smallest you can divide matter, but that turned out not to be true too.
Nothing means the additive element which is something that is necessary for anything else to have a stable existence.
Both my hands are unclenched, I can't possibly be holding anything else other than nothing, you being entirely dishonest since you know for a fact that you see nothing with your own two ears.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:33:43 UTC No. 16486095
>>16486094
-clenches ass cheeks and poops on you-
Retard.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:34:02 UTC No. 16486096
>>16486091
So the thing you say it implies isn't true and all you can really do is conceded and say you don't like physics now.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:34:38 UTC No. 16486097
>>16486092
nice deflection, low IQ concession accepted
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:35:09 UTC No. 16486098
>>16486095
Yes and you can only poop until nothing comes out, the only way you can know you are officially done pooping is when nothing starts coming out of your gaping butthole.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:35:45 UTC No. 16486100
>>16486098
>like
But nothing doesn't ever come out
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:37:13 UTC No. 16486102
>>16486096
Your post make no sense.
>>16486097
Didn't read.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:40:53 UTC No. 16486104
>>16486102
Nothing is anti to something, it's supposed to be used in reduction and assimilation
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:42:07 UTC No. 16486107
>>16486104
'There's nothing there' is acceptable if one knows nothing is not actually there
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:42:18 UTC No. 16486108
>>16486104
>reduction
If something can reduce to nothing, that doesn't make nothingness the antithesis of somethingness, it makes it the smallest possible amount of somethingness.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:43:19 UTC No. 16486110
>>16486100
Yea it tracks that you are completely full of shit and shit never stops leaking from your holes.
What is your diaper budget do you know diaperfu?
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:43:37 UTC No. 16486112
>>16486108
Nothing is not actually there retard, it's no thing. It doesn't have thingness to refer to or represent anything. AnY """tHiNg"""
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:45:14 UTC No. 16486114
>>16486112
>Nothing is not actually there
Yes it is, there is literally nothing in my unclenched hand, you can see literally nothing with your own two ears.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:46:00 UTC No. 16486117
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:47:15 UTC No. 16486118
>>16486102
Your brain has no capability for contextualization.
You can't coherently say physics is false while still depending on all our physics theories for your own argument.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:48:45 UTC No. 16486119
>>16486117
I literally just attached nothing to this post because I don't need to substitute logic with silly pictures.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:52:26 UTC No. 16486122
>>16486118
I depend on nothing. I stated my theory that the universe began due to a great vortex swirled into existence by another civilization.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:53:57 UTC No. 16486124
>>16486119
-farts in your mouf-
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:54:56 UTC No. 16486126
>>16486122
That doesn't make sense outside of just some retard who doesn't understand what began means trying to kick the can.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:55:57 UTC No. 16486127
>>16486124
-accepts your concession-
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:56:20 UTC No. 16486128
>>16486127
-farts in your mouf-
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:57:22 UTC No. 16486129
>>16486126
Things don't just begin without causes.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:58:07 UTC No. 16486130
>>16486129
Except of course advanced civilizations.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:58:33 UTC No. 16486132
>>16486129
(Watch how retarded the reply to this will be)
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:01:47 UTC No. 16486133
>>16486130
Hauh? What?
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:02:48 UTC No. 16486135
>>16486129
Where is the beginning of a circle and what causes that spot to be the beginning rather than any other spot on the circle?
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:03:44 UTC No. 16486137
>>16486135
You drawing it/mapping it out
You're a nincumpoop
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:03:48 UTC No. 16486138
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:07:52 UTC No. 16486142
>>16486135
You and I are not the same breed of human, you are an NPC retard actor and I am a living intelligent being. Who's right?
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:09:16 UTC No. 16486144
>>16486137
A circle can easily be stamped in whole, try again.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:10:18 UTC No. 16486145
>>16486142
>durr me da real human cuz me cant think beyond simple namecall
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:17:39 UTC No. 16486151
>>16486144
Then it depends on your reference frame
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:22:06 UTC No. 16486157
>>16486151
Then beginnings are only local relative illusions, they aren't actual universal truths and don't need cause.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:24:43 UTC No. 16486167
>>16486157
There are ways things can happen without cause. But the universe was definitely CA-USED.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:25:39 UTC No. 16486172
>>16478414
>there are "scientists" that genuinely believe matter is just created out of thin air
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:26:23 UTC No. 16486174
>>16486167
>>16486167
Such as it rests under a case that will determine it's existence.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:28:28 UTC No. 16486176
>>16486172
>There are scientists
False. There are no scientists on this planet. Only a few renegade great thinkers and Barkon the greatest thinker in existence.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:30:31 UTC No. 16486180
>>16486176
The toy is either knitted together from scratch or it comes as itself as a calling to some paradox.
Barkon at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:32:41 UTC No. 16486183
What's the matter? Why did the replies slow? Did I scare you off? I suppose high intelligence is intimidating to your egos
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:34:46 UTC No. 16486186
>>16486176
"scientists"
Barkon at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:37:03 UTC No. 16486190
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:53:18 UTC No. 16486214
>>16486172
Yea, matter isn't conserved, so most scientists understand the concept of pair-particle creation.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:54:58 UTC No. 16486217
>>16486167
>But the universe was definitely CA-USED.
But your only evidence was that things need to be caused, since you abandoned that rationale, why only the universe needs to be caused?
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:08:13 UTC No. 16486226
>>16478174
The universe wasn't created. It doesn't exist.
B00T at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:10:21 UTC No. 16486228
ITT: fags addressing the points of other fag in congestinal poop
B00T at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:14:56 UTC No. 16486236
>>16486228
AKA illusive poop
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:59:48 UTC No. 16486282
>>16480277
>Because all our physics theories imply that something cannot come from nothing
No they don't say anything about that, we just haven't observed it
>our logical tools tell us that everything we observe is contingent on something else
The world doesn't bend to our logic, its the opposite
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:29:36 UTC No. 16488002
Traffic on 4chan sometimes exceeds 5 million people, that's how we know the universe is very large
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:36:20 UTC No. 16488008
>>16486172
Well, yeah, otherwise the big bang model wouldn't work
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:36:48 UTC No. 16488009
>>16478174
The standard model in the Soviet Union was Steady State (i.e. no beginning, it was always there). They banned research on other hypotheses, because the wanted everything to fit the autistic Hegelian philosophy they inherited from Marx.
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 16:53:14 UTC No. 16488025
>>16486282
If the opposite was the case, how come you can't prove the world or even you exist to me? What is this logic good for if it is supposed to bend to a world it doesn't intersect with?
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:31:11 UTC No. 16488080
>>16478174
An inexperienced messenger goddess was tasked to run across the concept of spacetime to deliver a causality to the usual customers. The journey was very long and perilous so she drank a whole pot of ichor to sustain herself.
As she ran her bladder got heavier and heavier.
She delivered the ichor, but right as she turned to run back she lost control and her pee burst out and started to flood spacetime, the ichor now being expelled as energy. She hid her face in her hands and sprinted back across spacetime away from the usual customers in shame and mortification and fear of what she had done, spurting uncontrollably all the way.
The puddle she left at the beginning of spacetime is the big bang, and her involuntary spray is the universe, and the steam down her legs making dripping wet footprints are the biggest galactic clusters.
A lot of unfortunate things happened once matter formed from the energy she left, and after we die our neural images are copied to the heavens where a very shamefaced messenger in a white toga will apologize to us for wetting herself and ultimately causing self aware life that is doomed to realize the inevitability of its own death.
Those are just digital copies of us though, the "real you" still dies.
You may not like it, but this is what peak science looks like.
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:34:21 UTC No. 16488084
>>16486172
You believe space and time are just created out of thin theory