🧵 Metacognition of math/physics
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:12:43 UTC No. 16488052
How important would you say working memory is when it comes to math skills? To physics?
Can someone with poor working memory be good at math?
Would cognitive training(such as the n-back meme) and practice/approaches based on metacognition to improve/make the best use of one's working memory indirectly improve math/physics skills?
Richard Feynman had a deep understanding of his own cognition through self-experimation. He seemed to have insane working memory. He was able to keep 8 physics problems in his working memory at all times. But he also had very interesting metacognitive approaches to utilize it as best as he could, intuitively understanding concepts of "phonological loop" and "visuospatial sketchpad" way before modern cognitive scientists. Here is a video where he discusses his approaches and cognitive strategies :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4
And a nice article :
https://generallythinking.com/richa
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 23:45:49 UTC No. 16488523
Memory is everything. memory is intelligence.
I'm smart in the sense that I could understand concepts, but dumb because I can't "see" enough with my limited memory, which filters me from doing any engineering, but i'd make an ok theoretical physicist if I could get through the knowledge base
memory is IQ.
my theory is that eventually, with enough memory, you start being able to understand concept you had no way of "seeing" before.
Anonymous at Fri, 22 Nov 2024 01:17:16 UTC No. 16488630
>>16488052
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Anonymous at Sat, 23 Nov 2024 21:07:16 UTC No. 16490842
working memory is highly correlated with intelligence so yes the best students and academics will all have vwry high working memory
there is very little evidence that it can be trained to produce meaningful gains though
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Nov 2024 21:27:00 UTC No. 16490870
>>16488052
>there are no special or talented people
The copium of a man who finally found happiness, after he forgot about vNeumann.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 18:55:47 UTC No. 16491793
>>16490842
I have ADHD so my working memory is shit.
What can I do to cope?
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 03:50:39 UTC No. 16492388
>>16491793
>>16488523
>>16488052
Short-term memory is not really necessary for math. Just memorize definitions and theorems. Be very good at recalling them by spaced repetitions and use them on exercises.
You need time to get used to definitions even if they don't make sense at first.
I don't think I have extraordinary working memory and I did good at my math undergrad. It's more about knowing how to learn yourself.
Short-term memory is important for cashiers, going to the grocery store without a list, etc. Just monkey tricks. To solve actual problems in math that you didn't get asked on the spot, working memory is almost useless.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 11:13:13 UTC No. 16492675
>>16490842
>>16488523
Working memory is severely bounded to approximately 3-4 chunks across all humans
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 17:27:36 UTC No. 16493023
>>16492388
What would you say are the most important cognitive skills for math?
Is "creativity"(divergent thinking) important in problem-solving?
Pattern recognition? Information processing? Logical reasoning?
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 19:18:03 UTC No. 16494335
>>16493023
early it's memorization and logical reasoning, later is creativity, but you have to go down from creativity to formality.
usually in math little creativity is involved in exercises, it's not until you hit difficult problems that creativity is involved, and is usually not in undergrad math at least in my college. maybe in masters level you get hard problems. in undergrad is about understanding and using the definitions and theorems so that you can prove or give counterexamples to statements.
Just being able to stay for a while repeating and using the definitions gets you pretty far, definitions is 80% the of the pareto rule
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 02:44:57 UTC No. 16495780
>>16494335
Thank you
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 23:07:21 UTC No. 16497665
>>16488052
Working memory is extremely important to mental arithmetic.
Nobody can visualise or imagine more than 3 dimensions. Physicists only use mathematics to prove it, they can't actually think about it.
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 23:18:25 UTC No. 16497675
>>16491793
>>16492388
Indeed, neurodiverents like Autists and ADHD typically have shit executive function and hence working stm same too yet often do very well in science, tech etc as mere arithmetic etc. predicated on WM is not the same as abstract mathematical thinking. Hence the stereotype of absentminded geniuses as well.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:42:02 UTC No. 16498489
>>16491793
>>16497675
People with ADHD/autism typically do not actually have poor working memory.
What they have is too much noise, or too much sensitivity to noise. Which clogs up their working memory and gives the impression it's poor. The ADHD fags typically gets distracted very easily and has 100000 thoughts at once so obviously his working memory is clogged up. The autist feels overwhelmed by sensory shit so obviously is working memory is clogged up.
When you remove that "noise" suddenly the faggot with ADHD/autism actually has much better working memory than normalfags because his actual cognitive skills for working memory were never poor to begin with he is just scatterbrained and wasting them.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:53:28 UTC No. 16498500
>>16488052
>How important would you say working memory is when it comes to math skills? To physics?
I don't think it's very important.
>Can someone with poor working memory be good at math?
Yeah.
>Would cognitive training(such as the n-back meme) and practice/approaches based on metacognition to improve/make the best use of one's working memory indirectly improve math/physics skills?
No, I think the best way to improve math skills is to study math or how to approach math correctly. Cognitive training minigames are a meme IMO.
>>16488523
I don't think that's true.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:54:02 UTC No. 16498502
>>16491793
>ADHD
The diagnos IS the cope. Solution? Fix your diet (gut flora)
>Gut bacteria and mind control (timestamp @ 39:54)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=239
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 20:03:02 UTC No. 16498507
>>16498489
>What they have is too much noise, or too much sensitivity to noise.
They lack ability to focus. Focus requires dopamin and energy.
With the skyrocketing statistics of diagnoses consider an environmental cause:
>Gut bacteria and mind control (timestamp @ 41:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=246
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 20:20:33 UTC No. 16498512
>>16497675
Psychiatry is mostly devoid of solid scientific foundation. It's A LOT of inherited guess work, lose causation and some neurology.
The treatment is a couple decades after the research and it's killing people. Some guess patientsare just waiting for the industry's return on investments before the cure is announced wide and loud - a balanced diet.
Gluten sensitivity is a major contributer in depression, anxiety, paranoia, BPD etc. by destroying the gut villi (habitat for neurotransmitter producing bacteria) and letting toxins through the intestinal wall.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 20:28:07 UTC No. 16498518
>>16498502
for many people it is but there are people who do have poor executive function for mainly neurodevelopmental reasons. I don't know why it's so hard for people to accept.
Sure some people have poor executive function for environmental reasons ranging from poor sleep, to poor diet/gut flora, thyroid issues, vision problems, poor oxygenation, vitamin D deficiency, etc... but for some others (like me) it's truly neurodevelopmental and we still have these issues with all of these other things under control.
I don't have gut issues and my diet is full of whole foods, fibers, probiotics, lean proteins especially eggs, liver and fish. I cook most of my own food. I'm African so I grew up on yams, A LOT of cassava/millet/maize/sorghum based probiotics/lactic acid fermented foods, stews made with jute leaves, okra, cassava leaves and egusi seeds etc.... I drink fermented millet in Greek yoghurt (my own take on dèguè) with dry peanuts almost every morning.
I have Asian friends who grew up on diets similar to what this guy praised too and also have my issues infact this is probably part of why we are friends/relate to each other.
ADHD is over-diagnosed in the modern day because there are many, many, many environmental things in modern times that give you symptoms of poor executive function, and the criterias are quite loose. A lot of people also purposely attempt to get the diagnosis to have access to stimulants and get a "boost" in their career or academics. That doesn't mean neurodevelopmental hyperactivity does not exist. I have always been like this from age 0. Jittery, overtly curious, scatterbrained, inattentive, easily absorbed, and rambling.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 20:48:01 UTC No. 16498537
>>16498489
How do you remove the "noise"? I have legit ADHD (literally 1000 thoughts go through high speed constantly, even when taking shower, I think like 1000 things at once, makes it harder to focus on one thing at hand). The only thing that worked is noise cancellation earplugs and amphetamine. But I have times with genuine hyperfocus also. My faggot brain is too infested with ADHD and I give in to instant gratification a lot.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:17:45 UTC No. 16499491
>>16498537
learn meditation and then you can ignore the thoughts
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:28:54 UTC No. 16499503
>>16488523
Literally LLM's, scale memory and at some point you'll be forced to do logical links (even if very weak).
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 22:01:09 UTC No. 16499592
>>16499502
in my opinion the best way to develop math intuition and creativity is to autistically do proofs.
They should teach proofs before teaching calculus in my opinion.
Also "discovery" books like pic related
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 22:04:35 UTC No. 16499597
>>16499592
>the best way to develop math intuition and creativity is to autistically do proofs
case in point.
This curry retard was autistically trying as hard as possible to prove by himself theorems in Carr's pure math book because they weren't provided and developed outstanding mathematical intuition.