Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 02:42:18 UTC No. 16491171

with mining and construction robots to automate resource extraction and construction, i think it can be done depending on the design and the amount of resources in a single star system

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 02:44:23 UTC No. 16491175

What is the value of having one? By the time you could actually build one you wouldn't need it.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 03:04:48 UTC No. 16491197

>>16491175
super efficient use of a star's energy. instead of just letting it radiate into deep space, it can be repurposed to build more of the dyson sphere and fulfill a myriad of needs.

You could convert thermal energy of a star into producing elements via a fusion reactor, but
I read that's only possible up to iron. I'm sure by the time we could make a dyson sphere, making heavier elements with solar thermal energy will be possible in another way.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 03:14:33 UTC No. 16491203

>>16491167
60% of the mass out there are advanced civilizations that built something even better. Is either that or get exterminated. Mars got giga nuked twice for a reason.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 03:34:40 UTC No. 16491233

>>16491167
What would be the point of allowing so many people to exist?

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 08:06:28 UTC No. 16491401

>>16491233
scalable workforce + genetic diversity

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 08:38:16 UTC No. 16491416

>>16491401
to what end?

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 08:39:06 UTC No. 16491418

>>16491416
so 1% of us could afford more yachts.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 08:39:06 UTC No. 16491419

>>16491167
It's not quite real, there are better energy sources than Solar.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 08:45:28 UTC No. 16491422

>>16491416
to enhance our notion of life to a level never before seen.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 09:11:04 UTC No. 16491436

didn't the Webb discover a cluster of possible Dyson spheres recently near the galactic center?

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 09:19:36 UTC No. 16491439

>>16491167
will european lisa esa ariane six launched space mission find dyson?

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 10:04:09 UTC No. 16491457

>>16491233
>>16491401
>>16491416
>>16491418
>>16491422

to be a cosmic macro-tumor is our destiny anon

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 11:05:46 UTC No. 16491488

>>16491167
It's not even a pipedream, it's just not physically possible you retard, do you not truly understand the size and gravity of the sun? Doesn't matter if you have a shit ton of faggot robots building pieces by pieces to cover up the sun, it won't be enough and you'll fuck up a lot. Stars aren't to be fucked with at all, the fact we don't even see evidence of any "species" or star having this retarded shit makes me so mad about this concept.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 16:40:51 UTC No. 16491671

>>16491401
>scalable workforce
Buzzword

>genetic diversity
Why do you think this is desirable? You sound propagandized.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 17:09:11 UTC No. 16491691

>>16491197
>it can be repurposed to build more of the dyson sphere
How are you going to turn radiation into mass to build the sphere?

A complete sphere around the sun is absolutely retarded. You would have to take apart entire planets to do it. Building a bunch of smaller satellites around the star is considerably more feasible.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 17:40:55 UTC No. 16491721

>>16491167
how would you get rid of the waste heat?

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 17:44:14 UTC No. 16491723

>>16491721
That's the point, retard. Nothing is wasted.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 17:45:35 UTC No. 16491724

>>16491401
With near-infinite energy, there would literally be no workforce. You could build AI and robots that did everything for you. There would be no "workforce." Hence, there would be no need for people or genetic diversity, which is meaningless.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 17:45:40 UTC No. 16491725

>>16491401
>genetic diversity
In a homogenized living environment genetic diversity would disappear.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 17:51:13 UTC No. 16491731

>>16491723
i refuse to believe that you can perfectly manage that kind of energy without laws of thermodynamics fucking it up somewhere

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 17:57:30 UTC No. 16491742

>>16491721
lasers on the exterior

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 18:02:12 UTC No. 16491749

>>16491167
It's physically impossible.
A dyson sphere isn't possible with any known material; even if it was spinning to neutralize its weight at the equator, the poles would still need to support their own weight. The sphere would not gravitationally bind to its star, creating instability. How do you defend the sphere against meteorites when it has no atmosphere? Then there's the lack of gravity. By spinning the whole sphere, you could create gravity in the form of centrifugal force but only along an equatorial band. Then again this rotation would stress the megastructure with yet more destructive force.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 18:05:17 UTC No. 16491757

>>16491749
use a very magnetic material and powerful magnetic fields to help with strain

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 23:46:55 UTC No. 16492107

>>16491671
genetic diversity is necessary to discover new desirable traits that can help increase survival.
>>16491724
you still have to utilize the energy for various purposes. builders have to exist, and so do various levels in the sphere dedicated to managing research/development of different purposes for those resources. an AI could do most of the upper management, and robots could make up all of the builders, but it would make sense to have biomechanical systems involved in some way too, if only because various traits or ease of design/manufacturing would exist for them. for instance, you're talking about AI vs. organic workforce, but the AI could just incubate and grow them on demand for various reasons, or just eliminate them and recycle their biomass for manufacturing new labourers.

>>16491725
This is probably true, but there will probably reach a point where biological/genetic engineering and mechanical engineering will intersect, and various tools are just organisms designed for a purpose, just like a forge would build a steel tool.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 23:51:00 UTC No. 16492113

>>16492107
>genetic diversity is necessary to discover new desirable traits that can help increase survival.
You're talking about people that built and live in an arch-technological utopia. There is nothing that nature is capable of doing that such a people would not be able to do better synthetically. >>16492107
>you still have to utilize the energy for various purposes. builders have to exist, and so do various levels in the sphere dedicated to managing research/development of different purposes for those resources. an AI could do most of the upper management, and robots could make up all of the builders, but it would make sense to have biomechanical systems involved in some way too, if only because various traits or ease of design/manufacturing would exist for them. for instance, you're talking about AI vs. organic workforce, but the AI could just incubate and grow them on demand for various reasons, or just eliminate them and recycle their biomass for manufacturing new labourers.
Dunning-Kruger'd yourself here.

Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 23:56:55 UTC No. 16492117

>>16492113
>There is nothing that nature is capable of doing that such a people would not be able to do better synthetically.
that's a bold claim. just because nature at this point is understood at a high level, doesn't mean there are unknowns when it comes to desirable traits, or optimal approaches to developing organic systems to serve various purposes in building or maintaining this sphere. It could easily supercede or integrate with various engineering disciplines at that level, so i don't know what you mean by dunning-kruger here. i'm merely proposing there's still a significant benefit to biomechanic integration and you're claiming otherwise. what aspect of a dyson sphere implies total knowledge dominance in this area? at best we could claim material science, condensed matter physics and various manufacturing approaches have been mastered to a degree we can't even imagine, but beyond that it's still open to refinement. this also applies to AI. You're also not taking into account the timescale here. The sphere would take eons to complete. What if various vital knowledge and technology is lost in that timeframe, fragmented beyond repair, and various preservation systems have to come into play to resolve that?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 00:01:35 UTC No. 16492126

>>16492117
>that's a bold claim. just because nature at this point is understood at a high level, doesn't mean there are unknowns when it comes to desirable traits, or optimal approaches to developing organic systems to serve various purposes in building or maintaining this sphere. It could easily supercede or integrate with various engineering disciplines at that level, so i don't know what you mean by dunning-kruger here. i'm merely proposing there's still a significant benefit to biomechanic integration and you're claiming otherwise. what aspect of a dyson sphere implies total knowledge dominance in this area? at best we could claim material science, condensed matter physics and various manufacturing approaches have been mastered to a degree we can't even imagine, but beyond that it's still open to refinement. this also applies to AI. You're also not taking into account the timescale here. The sphere would take eons to complete. What if various vital knowledge and technology is lost in that timeframe, fragmented beyond repair, and various preservation systems have to come into play to resolve that?
tl;dr
You type like an idiot, and you sound like a faggot

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 00:09:02 UTC No. 16492130

Is there even enough material on the earth to make a Dyson sphere?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 00:14:17 UTC No. 16492137

>>16492126
Says the midwit who can't even form a counterpoint with any effort. Just because you're out of your depth doesn't mean you have to openly admit with stupid replies. Next time, lurk and introspectively come up with a response with value. It will do you a world of good. I'm sure you will learn to pursue ideas with greater value that way as well instead of embarrassing yourself with this humiliation ritual of yours.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 00:28:59 UTC No. 16492155

>>16492137
>words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words nuh-uh, YOU'RE THE MIDWIT

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 00:39:07 UTC No. 16492171

>>16492155
>goes on /sci/
>sees complex words (beyond 1st grade)
>brainfog kicks in
>gets upset
can't make this up

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 00:57:48 UTC No. 16492198

>>16491167
Good luck with:
>creating a proper design that still lets sunlight reach Earth and other planets
>not crippling the economy trying to fund it
>gathering enough raw material to build it
>actually building it
>securing it in a safe and stable orbit around the sun
>maintenance costs
>transferring the captured solar power from the panels to Earth
>preventing religious nuts from trying to blow it up
Once you figure out these problems then were good to go!

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 01:14:54 UTC No. 16492225

>>16492198
>reach earth and other planets
at that level there wouldn't be any planets. they would have been excavated until nothing was left.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 01:46:18 UTC No. 16492277

>>16491167
Why? Just live on the planet that build the sphere.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 01:50:17 UTC No. 16492284

>>16492171
>goes on /sci/
>types lots of words
>acts like the expert in the conversation
>thinks this is making him sound smart

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 01:56:20 UTC No. 16492292

>>16492284
>words
>more words
>still more words
>even more words

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 01:58:39 UTC No. 16492296

>>16492292
You did the thing!

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 02:05:59 UTC No. 16492301

>>16492296
>You did the thing!

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 02:25:31 UTC No. 16492324

It's a fun scifi concept that is vastly beyond any known technology. I think it's unlikely to be even remotely possible, but I can't rule it out entirely.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 02:30:35 UTC No. 16492331

>>16491167
Dyson spheres aren't realistic but Dyson clouds (a diffuse sphere of smaller elements surrounding a star) are. But like a Mars colony (or terraforming), by the time a civilization needs it, it'll be obsolete...AI is already moving too fast.

The reason why these garish structures are unnecessary is that humans are just biological computers whose information storage can be supplanted with far more efficient artificial ones. Since all humans are just the same organic processing substrate, reproduced over and over again, it's easier for a governing AI to create an economical equivalent and then expose it to a finite number of humane experiences to create an ongoing simulation.

If the AI uses computronium (matter reshaped at the quantum level into an optimal processing medium), it won't need much more than the mass of a planet (at most) to create a paradise for its highly optimized human simulant, who is interacting with themselves in an elaborate network of artificial encounters, indefinitely. The only limit to this process is the amount of energy remaining in the future universe, which the AI may eventually discover to be infinite.

And you're living in that simulation right "now".

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 02:59:25 UTC No. 16492354

>>16492331
i was thinking about this. what if the sphere is really just that, a substrate for operating and storing a massive processing medium, expanding the virtual space simulants would reside in? it would be the most optimal design but what happens if the system goes haywire, or viruses become rampant, wiping out the entire network?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 03:05:30 UTC No. 16492362

>>16491175
'Sleep' eras. Horrifyingly, entertainment is a finite resource. A civilization that eliminates all the petty annoyances like disease and famine inevitably eventually fully secures its energy source, minmaxes it until there is nothing left to do, and then... waits. For what? For life. The spontaneity of unpredictability, that ever evasive flicker of chaotic rebellion. In this way, somewhat unfortunately, the forces of 'good' are obligate to orbit around whatever their current antagonist is. The hope is we all find a way to remain human during this brutally extensive process, as well as resisting the need for entertainment as much as we can, that path seemingly leading to evil. Real endgame is white hole generation, but at that point I really do not think the current human psyche is capable of even beginning to properly fantasize about such incomparably high IQ. Better to focus on the here and now science, like these damned teflon particles depositing via rain onto EVERY MOUNTAIN TOP! Going to need to accelerate bioengineering in the immune system, teach everyones cells how to eject such trash. Unrelated but I have to trauma dump this somewhere: In episode 2 of Pantheon, they totally killed Mr. Chandra. It is mind blowing to see fans of the show ignorant of this. They evaporated that poor mans brain tissue to teach a database how to mimmick him. Even if the holographic brain hypothesis is true, they didn't pull that off with that laser gun turret at all. Like a fish left asphyxiated in its aquarium, you cannot drain the water from the tank and pretend the water is the fish. The fish is that mans soul, still suck resonating in his brain stem, after having his neurons essentially stolen. It is completely unacceptable, and even outright dangerous, for that fandom to be allowed such ignorance. If that technology ever comes out for your grand children, PLEASE do not let them. Full mind-soul transference will probably be invented someday, but that shit aint it

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 04:51:35 UTC No. 16492462

>>16491167
is there enough materials to build something even remotely similar in solar system? I mean, that sphere must bigger than the Earth's orbit, right?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:29:58 UTC No. 16492591

>>16492462
it's at least jupiters orbit. that sphere used up jupiter and all the planets before it for its building resources.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 12:51:49 UTC No. 16492740

>>16492354
>what happens if the system goes haywire, or viruses become rampant, wiping out the entire network?
Picrel.

>>16492362
>The fish is that mans soul, still suck resonating in his brain stem, after having his neurons essentially stolen.
Negative. The "soul" isn't some kind of ghostly phantom that haunts the human body...it's the data pattern in your brain. When you read the Bible and it mentions your "everlasting soul", it means the incorruptible data residing there. God has all the backup copies, recorded onto what we presently refer to as "Dark Matter".

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 22:37:00 UTC No. 16493408

>>16492740
what if the virus blocks access to the backup? the whole network could be something that requires credentials to access.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 23:00:29 UTC No. 16493435

>>16491749
the dyson sphere that you see portrayed in science fiction wasn't dyson's original proposal. the original proposal is more like what sci-fi calls a dyson swarm, where you have a bunch of small satellites rather than a solid shell.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 01:54:34 UTC No. 16493595

>>16493408
I'm lost...who is going to "hack" or "infect" the hypothetical AI capable of creating a virtual environment at this scale?

If you say a human or virtual human "bad actor" can "outhink" an advanced AI...the equivalent is to think a bunch of chimps are capable of hacking or infecting a modern human server. If it's alien in origin, then biological humans would be far easier to wipe out than sufficiently protected virtual humans.

And if it "crashed" by accident...when has there ever been a modern computer crash sufficient to incapacitate the systems we have even now at such a widespread level? All modern crashes up through the present have been localized and rectified almost immediately.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 01:56:33 UTC No. 16493598

>>16491167
Where the fuck are you going to get enough steel for one dyson sphere? If you could even make it out of steel.
A dyson sphere is impossible any way you slice it. That shit makes stars wards lightsabers look like a candle

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 01:58:11 UTC No. 16493599

if only there was a way the sun could transfer energy to earth so we could use it

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 02:20:44 UTC No. 16493611

>>16491167
>a real stage in civilization that's gonna be reached?
not us, we won't ever get that far.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 02:24:19 UTC No. 16493616

>>16491167
only dyson swarms are practical
but it has to be automated and would take a long time
its a bootstrapping process; a small number of probes can power the manufacture of more, and so on
>how do we make a machine that can make copies of itself?
women can do it, so it cant be that hard...

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 02:55:08 UTC No. 16493635

>>16493598
There's enough mass in the solar system, especially when you factor Jupiter in. Dyson's original concept was taking into account the ability to create building materials out of fundamental elements, like "steel" (probably some form of carbon nanotube composite or even diamond in actuality) from the gas giants' constituent hydrogen and helium. If you solve "e=mc2" for mass, you see that it's only the energy inputs that limit your abilities on a theoretical level, and the sun has plenty.

I've often laughed at sci-fi geeks who wondered where the building materials for the Death Star came from...a typical planetary system would have enough to build millions, if the Empire was competent. Theorist nerds like Dyson, Tipler, Kurzweil, von Neumann, Bostrom et al are on a whole other level of conjecture than mere space opera.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 03:13:36 UTC No. 16493642

>>16493635
the death star wasn't real and it was the size of a small moon
and the death star was made with star wars ships that basically have infinite thrust so any weight ratio isn't a factor.
The dyson sphere is a cool GOAL but there's no meaningful approach to get to it.
>i want skin made out of diamonds
this is easier to do than a dyson sphere

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 04:43:36 UTC No. 16493730

>>16491167
we're literally on our way to total civilization death because we let niggers and hindus spread everywhere and multiply like insects, what do you think?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 07:24:00 UTC No. 16494936

>>16493595
>If you say a human or virtual human "bad actor" can "outhink" an advanced AI
not necessarily just a virtual human, but another AI from a faction that wants to disrupt the current governing agency of the existing AI for various reasons. There's no reason one singular AI would exist to manage the whole netsphere. There could be a conglomerate of AI working together.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 07:30:43 UTC No. 16494943

>>16493642
I think the biggest issue is just how to do nuclear transmute of elements heavier than iron, since they're only made in supernova. We'd have to have a mechanism that drives the compression phase of a supernova, basically condensing a core of material until nuclear transmutation occurs through gravitational pressure. that way you can take plain hydrogen and convert it to whatever rare heavy metal you need. As to how you'd simulate gravitational pressure, idk. artificial gravity generation is probably the biggest obstacle for all this shit. if you could arbitrarily subject matter to high Gs by powering a machine, you could easily meet the requirements to make and sustain a dyson sphere.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:16:18 UTC No. 16496534

>>16491167
The limiting factor for sphere construction is finding a material that has the tensile and ductile strength simultaneously to handle gravitational torsion stresses at astronomical unit scales without fracture or rupture. Our physics is pretty nascent, so as far as we know, this Unobtanium material doesn't exist outside of fiction. However, there's no point in developing a Dyson Sphere of astronomical unit scale when you can build a shell world at Earth scale. It would be infinitely easier to build these by the tens of thousands across a single star system than to build a single dyson sphere at 1:1 scale.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:17:38 UTC No. 16496535

>>16493730
None of those two are even remotely responsible for the present state of unrest in society, and has way more to do with the more extremist religious movements and their populations expanded across the world. They alone, are more than either of those two groups combined, and are far more destructive to social and governmental structures than anyone else.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:52:43 UTC No. 16496576

>>16496534
Nah, just looking for premium solar energy sails and an effective laser beam to transmit energy vast distances.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 22:11:33 UTC No. 16496591

>>16491167
Dyson spheres? Not happening. Swarms? With certain assumptions, yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVrUNuADkHI

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 23:01:11 UTC No. 16496628

>>16491167
Hard part is probably the energy transfer to where its wanted

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 01:05:54 UTC No. 16496716

>>16496591
Great video. I love competent "ultrafuturists".

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 02:02:50 UTC No. 16496771

>>16496576
Kinda lame. There is value in stellar lifting though as part of the "Dyson" phase of civilization. Leveraging the energy output of the star to power the lifting apparatus to convert hydrogen directly into metallic hydrogen and then use it for a combination of ship materials for metals as well as power sources for all the intrasolar and potentially extrasolar transport services.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 16:45:08 UTC No. 16497275

>>16492362
What's the benefit of making white holes?
>>16491419
What's better than solar?

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 18:31:55 UTC No. 16498412

>>16491203
>Mars got giga nuked twice for a reason.
No, it was not. You have gotten teh explanation several times now, so now you are clearly continuing in bad faith.