Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 20:28:15 UTC No. 16493231

>I got the phd

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 20:52:37 UTC No. 16493262

>>16493231
Surely you found a job paying 300k starting?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 21:22:20 UTC No. 16493294

Got an internship, not a great one, but I got one. Might be able to use it to network a bit. I guess the battle isn't over yet. Everyone else in my lab is enjoying success way beyond this but whatever they weren't in special ed growing up by mistake.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 21:22:45 UTC No. 16493296

>>16493294
Shut up shit stain.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 21:23:53 UTC No. 16493300

>>16493296
There's no enemy in this simulation any more. The shit stain is where they were given the harshest hell and pacification for their war crimes.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 21:29:01 UTC No. 16493308

>>16493296
You jealous of my mediocre internship battybwoi?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 21:31:39 UTC No. 16493311

It's kind of whack how back in the 90s if you couldn't get a position in academia in a numerate subject you could just be a quant and now it's like this whole thing you've got to have been doing imo problems since you popped out the womb.

What's the PhD having everyman supposed to do. The average PhD Joe?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 22:05:35 UTC No. 16493358

>>16493311
>doing imo problems
What are imo problems?

Like problems in my opinion lol?

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 22:09:10 UTC No. 16493366

>>16493358
International mathematics Olympiad, it's like the Putnam, Asian tiger mom shit. How was I ever supposed to compete with this on the wrong side of the tracks upbringing and lack of emotional control from a young age.

O how cruel the life of a STEMcel can be!

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 22:26:21 UTC No. 16493389

I saw the writing on the wall during my postdoc and switched to work as a researcher at a startup.

I've been at this job a few months now. Compared to academia I'm basically coasting. The stress is much lower and work doesn't follow me home. I don't always know what I'm doing but the people around me are dumber than before. Pay is meh, but at least I can afford to not live in a shared flat.

But I don't think this is a long-term play. The pay isn't great, and they're stingy about stock options. In the short to medium term there's not any upwards mobility likely (I report to the CTO). They had huge recent investment and momentum when I applied and was hired, but they fucked up this year. It's still fine but if they fuck up next year it'll be grim. I'm learning new things, but not as much as I was hoping.

When should I make my next move? I came in and unfucked a side project that had been in the works for years. That ended up being the first proper sales deal the company made ever, as far as I'm aware. Once that's finished and delivered (hopefully by next summer), it'll be something I can write up as a success for this. Probably other projects will be ongoing/done at that point as well. If I've been there a year and have gotten some shit done, would that be sufficient time to start applying elsewhere? Bearing in mind it'd probably be another half a year to year between when I start applying and when I'd realistically start anything new.

>>16493311
The average PhD Joe these days gets the kinds of jobs the average MSc or even BSc Joe got in the 90s. Most of my PhD cohort are in corporate/government white collar drone work at best tangentially related to their research. A few are in industry. Many went to do a postdoc, of which a few are now starting their own groups.

>>16493366
I only learned about the IMO and similar competitions after I was already in university. I do think there's a whole class division thing there. It'll always suck to be poor.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 22:36:09 UTC No. 16493406

>>16493389
Do you do ML? Would you hire the worlds laziest retard as an intern?

In all seriousness if I were you I'd start looking, getting your CV in order, reaching out to recruiters, then if you're right that it takes a year to get an offer in hand you can reassess, either go for it or if things have improved at the company use it to squeeze some more stock options/a raise out.

Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 23:23:28 UTC No. 16493454

Is there a good reason to do a physics phd of any kind in current year or will I just be a highly educated hobo

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 00:44:50 UTC No. 16493522

>bachelor's of science in electrical engineering
>$55k a year
So this is the "high paying engineering field"
Pretty sure liberal arts majors get paid more than me.
2 indians on my team btw

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 01:38:00 UTC No. 16493578

after jumping through a bunch of fucking hoops i finally got an offer for an internship and it turns out they pay less than the one i had last summer (same hourly of $23/hr, couple hundred less in relocation)
should i even accept or should i tell them to go fuck themselves? my resume is way better this year but this is still somehow the only interview ive managed to get so i really doubt ill get any other offers this season. i have zero intention of working there after i graduate so i'm really only going there for pocket change and filler for my resume.
>>16493522
i don't know if im retarded or if this field is just pure ass but one of my civil friends got an internship offer for $25/hr + relocation despite having basically no work or project experience to speak of

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 07:54:19 UTC No. 16493849

>>16493203
Is it possible to get into RF/Telecommunications engineering with an undegrad degree in math and physics?

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 07:55:51 UTC No. 16493850

>>16493578
Take it but keep applying for stuff.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 09:43:44 UTC No. 16493901

Previous Thread
>>>16478039
>>>16478039

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 11:45:59 UTC No. 16493949

>>16493454
Paul Verhoeven and Elon Musk are both physicists, so the world is your oyster.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 12:41:31 UTC No. 16493978

>>16493949
So was that guy that killed himself after his PhD in the last thread, what's you are point?

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 12:48:23 UTC No. 16493987

>>16493978
My point is that you have choices and not all end in doom and gloom. And I have been there too, fresh from the end of a postdoc contract in an imploding field, fearing I now had a PhD in advanced unemployability. It was no fun, and many experience the same, also many of the anons posting here.
And yet I made it, anon, and we are ALL going to make it.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 12:49:00 UTC No. 16493988

>>16493311
None of the "average ones" I know do nothing related to their field of study. It's a tremendous waste of talent, because most of them aren't doing that because they're dumb but because relevant jobs don't exist anymore.
>>16493389
>I do think there's a whole class division thing there.
There most certainly is. The IMO kids have vastly wealthier parents in general. I coached a few and I was always disgusted at how much wealth could compensate for talent because I didn't think a lot of them really "deserved" the spot in the sense that there were plenty of better students I saw who were never going to go as far because they were born to a poorer family.
>>16493849
I've seen anyone trying to get into engineering without an engineering degree being blocked by legal nonsense. I suppose the question that matters here is whether you'll need to sign off on anything.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 12:50:40 UTC No. 16493989

>>16493987
I just hate Elon musk for what he did to my sweet grimes, never mention him in these threads ever again.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 17:09:20 UTC No. 16494230

Getting a math PhD was the worst decision of my life.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 17:23:26 UTC No. 16494239

>>16494230
Hello old friend.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 17:52:58 UTC No. 16494255

anyone in manufacturing? Our document control system is ass at my work. Anybody have examples of good ones I can try to convince my bosses to emulate?

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 18:18:47 UTC No. 16494277

>>16493389
>>16493988
The class division there is not directly about money. When I was in high school the after-school training program for math competitions was $100/semester and the invitation-only advanced program was free
The fact that tons of IMO kids have dads who are doctors or professors or other high-education jobs is entirely about the culture in their house in the first 15 years of their life, not how big the house was. Poor kids are exponentially more likely to have shit parents who provide zero encouragement to succeed at anything or even become actively vindictive when they see their kid not failing as hard as them

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 18:57:19 UTC No. 16494306

I'm thinking about going abroad and trying to find a job in the US, but is it even possible/worth it nowadays? Currently living in Poland, graduated 2 years ago with bachelor in materials science and I've been working as a CAD monkey (mech eng) since then.
Like I said, I'm not even sure if it's at all worthwhile, but if it is, then how do I go about improving my chances at getting anything decent?

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 20:01:55 UTC No. 16494377

Writing my first letter for a student applying to graduate school. Any general pitfalls to avoid for a first-timer?

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 20:13:56 UTC No. 16494390

>>16494277
What kind of school did you go to where math competition was even an option?

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 23:11:45 UTC No. 16494620

>>16494390
Public high school that ran the city's program for gifted kids. It was in an upper-class part of town but if you were out-of-district and qualified for the gifted program you could still go and you didn't have to pay anything. In theory you didn't even have to attend the school to write contests there or take the training program, although I only ever met homeschooled kids who used that

Those kinds of opportunities are out there if kids are aware of them, it's just that you have to know they exist. Lower-class kids rarely get that guidance whereas it's given to you literally automatically if you go to school in an upper-class part of town.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 03:08:48 UTC No. 16494820

We need more DEI to break down these unfair barriers and force these privileged enclaves to have the conversation.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 06:28:42 UTC No. 16494912

>>16494620
This must be a country difference, I went to a relatively large and well respected school where I live, was top of my math classes and it wasn't even on the radar.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 07:35:37 UTC No. 16494948

I was forced to go to an underprivileged elementary school. Our school only had tablets from a few years ago and could not afford the latest model, so it took me 2 days longer to learn my times tables than the rich kid school. This was through no fault of my own and this is why I didn't get into MIT.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 07:53:29 UTC No. 16494960

>>16494948
I had the police called on me and my friends because one of us (who had cerebral palsy btw) called a mixed race girl a "chocolate cookie" and after this my parents took me out of school between the ages of 11-16. I do unironically think this has negatively impacted my life in various ways. But keep laughing it up at a sensitive young thug and see where it gets you pal...

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 07:55:52 UTC No. 16494962

sure did get butthurt in here all of a sudden

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 07:58:02 UTC No. 16494963

>>16494962
This thread is for butthurt stemcels, get your head in the game wood.

Also update on my mediocre internship since I know you were all holding your breath in anticipation: I turned it down, I deserve so much better than that and I won't settle for anything less that queening out to the utmost.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 08:01:54 UTC No. 16494964

>>16494960
And despite all this I can still laugh... And love... The human spirit is so beautiful and resilient... Love and light to you all.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 08:37:59 UTC No. 16494978

>>16494962
What does it say about you being in this thread? The rest of us are hardened street toughs, former Dboys, hustlers, roustabouts, gamergate burnouts, and victims of cruel conspiracies. What's your excuse Mr my elementary school had tablets? How did you end up on the 4chan science career general? What failures of character did you commit?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 13:40:54 UTC No. 16495085

>be me, thirdie doing an integrated bachelor-master's mechE program at a big private uni in my cunt thanks to a full ride scholarship
>chink flu hits right as freshman year starts
>once everything returns to normal, decide to do master's thesis in taiwan
>finish defense and everything and let my advisor handle publication
>in the meantime, pass a scholarship scholarship for a phd in tokyo, I leave in April of next year for the internship, but actual classes are still in September/October
>deadline for graduation applicants coming up
>uni requirement for the master's degree is a scopus publication
>advisor tells me paper wont be published until January/February
>ask dean if there's anything I could do to get it waived
>"no fuck off"
>embassy says if I don't leave by April it's forfeit
>next graduation is in May/June
What do I do now (outside of an hero)?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 17:38:51 UTC No. 16495276

>>16495085
Phone up your super visor in Tokyo and ask hin kindly to talk to your advisor or to your dean.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 19:49:11 UTC No. 16495388

yall think job hopping is the path forward for chemes?

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 20:18:02 UTC No. 16495402

>>16495388
It's the future for everyone

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 21:05:07 UTC No. 16495461

>>16495402
Sadly, this. There's no reward for job loyalty anymore - no upward mobility, no meaningful promotions, the only moves are lateral.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 23:59:06 UTC No. 16495627

>>16495461
I'm sure I'm lucky, but I managed to find the opposite. My industry is full of boomers who are looking for their replacements so they can retire, and the company I recently landed at actually seems to care about training. Feels good to get paid to go back to school, gonna take those chemistry courses I always wanted to but never had an excuse for

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 00:31:57 UTC No. 16495669

Why are all mechanical engineering jobs in these shitty office complexes in the middle of nowhere?

Rectangular building with 2-3 floors in the middle of an office park. Brick walls with big rectangular windows. Cubicles as far as the eye can see. Grey carpet from the 90s.

It literally looks like the movie Office Space.

Is this just the norm or am I looking at shitty jobs at small companies?

Do big companies like Raytheon, Boeing, Tesla look like this on the inside?

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 03:15:36 UTC No. 16495811

My little brother has the opportunity to do an internship at Lausanne university in physics and I want to help him build his resume and a motivationnal letter because I have more experience but the problem is his resume is a little barebones as he's 22 with 3.8gpa, only worked at my parents bakery and does judo. He has no other relevant work experience and most critically, has no references from professors/tutors. Like does he just begs his professor for a reference? I'm not asking you guys to write me everything but give me some pointers on what should I write in order to make him more appealing, I have 0 experience with his field

Here's the link:

https://www.epfl.ch/education/international/en/coming-to-epfl/research-internships/eligibility-and-application/

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 07:30:34 UTC No. 16495991

>>16495811
>internship
>physics
He'll be fine. Just tell to e-mail one of his previous instructors/professors so they can write him a recommendation letter.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 11:50:34 UTC No. 16496102

>>16493294
>Got an internship, not a great one, but I got one. Might be able to use it to network a bit.
Anon, networking is a primary purpose of an internship.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 12:30:01 UTC No. 16496116

>>16496102
The value of networking at this place was negligible, but I might have been able to network in the city it was going to take me to. I turned it down anyway as I wasn't interested in the work and my research has started to come along quite nicely in the past week.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 13:10:24 UTC No. 16496136

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 16:03:58 UTC No. 16496249

>>16496136
People literally died for our right to have the weekend off.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 16:07:42 UTC No. 16496257

>>16496249
I find this post very annoying and disruptive to /scg/

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 16:15:37 UTC No. 16496267

>>16495811
>>16495991
Seconding, how important are references? I have a mid GPA, but could probably get a recommendation from a big dick professor

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 16:31:21 UTC No. 16496282

>>16496257
Go back to work

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 17:37:28 UTC No. 16496346

>>16496136
This is a public service announcement to any PhD/postdoc applicants to always ensure you do not end up working for a PI like this. There absolutely are batshit insane ones out there who run their labs like slave galleons and are proud of the fact.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 17:39:20 UTC No. 16496350

On this day we gather around the chicken biryani and celebrate H1B Visa.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 17:49:05 UTC No. 16496361

>>16496136
Why would anyone accept this kind of abuse?

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 17:55:09 UTC No. 16496368

>>16496361
I don't know but he's right, theres a long line of suckers who will jump at the opportunity to

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 17:55:12 UTC No. 16496369

I have an interview with yet another university for a permanent position. How do I avoid blowing it? Should I bring up my interest in anime?

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 17:56:10 UTC No. 16496371

>>16496369
Let them know that you only watch subs, not dubs (while you check these)

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 17:58:20 UTC No. 16496374

>>16496136
>Guido
I thought we called them Italian Americans now

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 18:03:11 UTC No. 16496388

>>16496361
You aren't supposed to, that's kind of the point
There are no-life autists with zero interests outside of working all day who are perfectly happy in labs like that. The failure in the chain was allowing somebody in who doesn't fit that work style

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 18:09:28 UTC No. 16496396

>>16496388
There are some people who want to have their arms amputated for kicks, it doesn't mean you should let them. Letting people like this get what they want degrades working conditions for all of us.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 22:57:05 UTC No. 16496621

>>16496346
Sure, but they are also very prestigious, have lots of funding, and their graduates have excellent job prospects. Only the weak-willed avoid these PIs, everyone else will flock to them.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 22:59:50 UTC No. 16496623

>>16496396
Talk like this is why India and China are surpassing the West.

Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 23:03:42 UTC No. 16496632

>>16496621

There are prestigious labs that aren't run like a sweatshop. It really isn't a necessary part of the equation, even if that's what you were sold.

Job prospects are only weakly dependent on the lab your worked in. Academic job prospects sure, but career wise academia is cancer anyway, and outside of it nobody knows or cares about individual lab names.

>Only the weak-willed avoid these PIs, everyone else will flock to them.
Only the weak-willed would seek success by debasing themselves to ride on the coattails of someone famous.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 01:33:44 UTC No. 16496746

>>16493203
Ending a bachelor in Warsaw in combined EE/machine vision but not really a fan of the field (electronics is great, but I am not really a fan of math desu). GPA aint great (lack of motivation (aka lazy as fuck)), but I should have no issues graduating. Was thinking about moving to medicine or neuroscience (Frankfurt). Is this advisable in any rational way? I have no idea what neuroscience can do in private sector, and EE jobs are kinda comfy with good salaries, but also boring as hell and I dont see any future there other than being a whitecollar with above average pay for 30 years with no legacy whatsoever.
Am I just retarded?

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 08:37:22 UTC No. 16497005

Got into a great PhD program (Beh. Neurosci) 10 years ago but bombed out in my 2nd year due to mental health. Went on to claw my way back and get an MSc in Cellular Biology.

Until about a year ago I was so mindbroken by my failure and also never really developing coping skills that I had basically strung up a series of failures in research labs and became unhireable (now haven't worked for 1 1/2 years). Thankfully I am more functional now than I have been in the past decade and arguably my entire life, but I am still sort of picking up the pieces and trying to figure out where to go next. Any advice?

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 08:54:24 UTC No. 16497009

>>16493366

Putnam and IMO are for teens.

Real math gets way harder and realer after that, tahn just memorizing by heart previous problem sets.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 09:13:10 UTC No. 16497016

>>16496746
Do you have an 'Excellent' average grade in all your Matura subjects? If not then you will not be able to get admitted to any Medicine program in Germany. Try Hungary, Czech Republic or maybe Austria.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 10:37:12 UTC No. 16497053

>>16497016
I do actually, I don't think getting there is that much of an issue, I am more concerned about working and financing myself there. Also not I don't want to study clinical medicine but get a Neuroscience graduate.

Ps: Is Goethe universitat really thst bad?

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 11:08:45 UTC No. 16497076

>>16497009
I am aware of that, I have a degree in math, but many quant shops explicitly ask if you have done them.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 11:10:00 UTC No. 16497077

>>16496623
India is a basket case and China's demographics are worse than even most of Europe. You are repeating memes you've heard.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 14:22:16 UTC No. 16497178

>>16497077
>China's demographics are worse than even most of Europe
Lol no they aren't. Keep huffing gayto propaganda
We must defeat China in the name of human rights.
Also we will inevitably defeat China because we are racially superior
>the libtard mind

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 15:54:29 UTC No. 16497226

>>16495811
Don't beg for references. Work for or with someone for a a few months or years and build a rapport with them, and they'll typically be happy to right you recommendations or act as a reference.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 16:23:29 UTC No. 16497254

>>16497005
I dont know. Stay out of academia if you have mental health issues

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 17:13:12 UTC No. 16497321

>>16497254
most departments would be ghost towns if this advice was followed

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 17:18:01 UTC No. 16497327

>>16497053
Neuroscience isn't a medical degree. There are very few Neuroscience programs in Germany. You won't have much choice anyway when it comes to universities.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 17:27:31 UTC No. 16497336

>failed as an academic
>failed as a software dev
>failed as a school teacher
>failed as a defense industry engineering
I just cannot keep a job

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 19:46:39 UTC No. 16497449

>>16497336
Why? So I know what not to do.

Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 20:17:14 UTC No. 16497503

>>16497449
Being a miserable stemcel 4chan poster

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 06:03:27 UTC No. 16497974

Anons, I want to and am willing to grind and work as hard as possible to get where I want to be. I'm from working class background but want to try and study biology and get job in science someday. I don't trust the typical advice about "ADHD" and think a lot of it is made to distribute stimslop medication. However, I am struggling to make it through even paragraphs at times and retain and feel like I deeply understand topics/material. This is happening even in areas of my life that are not work or school related, such as reading about hobbies. Any advice, suggestions?

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 06:20:34 UTC No. 16497988

>>16497974
Tech detox

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 07:41:53 UTC No. 16498051

I'm dumb (I think) and I have low grades.
Some of my peers have stellar grades.
I honestly think that I shouldn't be pursuing a math degree, judging by how big of a dumbfuck I'm treated as.
Help me think of a reason to not drop off. I'll probably never be a researcher anyway.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 09:45:59 UTC No. 16498091

>>16498051
You don't have to be a researcher, there are other things you can do with a math degree.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 09:47:22 UTC No. 16498092

>>16497178
The average Chinese person is 78 years old and they puff up their population numbers you sorry blue pilled election tourist...

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 10:09:08 UTC No. 16498106

>>16498051
Dropping out is almost always the worst thing you can do, it's like declaring a complete loss on your entire investment.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 10:33:56 UTC No. 16498125

>>16498051
Nobody cares about your grades two years into your first career. What a dumb reason to want to drop out for.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 15:16:33 UTC No. 16498256

It has dawned on me that applied science is not a good career path. Even outside academia it's not well paid, and basically I'm a gimped engineer. There isn't even an option to pivot anywhere at this point.

I kind of went all in on doing something I like and lost. Not sure where to go from here. Looks like I'll be making 60k a year for the rest of my life.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 15:18:03 UTC No. 16498257

>>16498091
>>16498125
I want to be a researcher. That was the plan from the start
>>16498106
I'm aware of that. But how exactly can I be a researcher if I have terrible grades?
And I don't know if it is consequence of mental health issues (which I have plenty), but I'm slow and dumb.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 16:31:14 UTC No. 16498302

>>16498257
It's still better to get the degree even if you don't become a "researcher."
Maybe you will just have to take a regular middle class job like the rest of us plebs.
Your parents must be fucking loaded if these are the thoughts that go into your decisions. I used to unload trucks in the freezing rain for $8 an hour.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 16:53:27 UTC No. 16498321

>>16498302
My father is an academic himself.
He wouldn't care if I ended up failing at my goals of becoming a researcher, but I'm willing to sacrifice a lot of things for it.
My grades are just unacceptable. Maybe due to whatever mental health handicap I have idk. I have about 4 months to sort things out before going back to uni.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 17:25:55 UTC No. 16498349

>>16498256
Defense contractors don't give a fuck and will take you, from there you just build experience in whatever engineering job you get.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 20:55:36 UTC No. 16498543

>>16498051
>I'm dumb (I think) and I have low grades.
Perhaps, but hard work goes a long, long way to compensate for sheer brilliance.

Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 22:08:35 UTC No. 16498609

>>16498257
I'll be honest with you. Academia is one of the few career paths where grades actually matter. Not in the long term, but for getting accepted for a PhD to begin with. For everything after the PhD it is just about your research output and bugman social engineering type shit.

Especially outside of the US where your PhD application is directly to a specific PI, that PI has a lot of say in who they hire. There is often a minimum grade threshold for incoming students, but it is generally not very high. So if you can get your foot in the door another way (most straightforwardly, someone they know putting in a good word for you or you doing a project for them where they see you're not a total fuckup) there is a way to make it happen. Grades will be looked at much more closely by PIs who do not know you.

So it certainly is possible to be a researcher even if your grades aren't great, and beyond this there are a fairly large number of people doing research who are not terribly bright. But if you really are a bit dumb, I do not think you will enjoy doing research.

You can always just go for it though. A PhD does not commit you to a life of research and will give you a decent idea of whether you are capable of producing high-quality research. Sounds like you'd regret it if you didn't try.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 00:23:29 UTC No. 16498720

EE New grad just got a secret clearance 65k DoD contractor job where I use 0 software that is cross-applicable to other roles and boomer-slow advancement.

How do I job hop?

Should I wait awhile to get the experience on my resume or just look right now? I had no internship experience coming out of college but a 3.7 GPA. Also I just realized I was doing all my interviews like an autistic retard because people in an office actually act so strangely and domesticatedly and I shouldve been masking and acting like that.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 00:24:26 UTC No. 16498722

>>16497226
I don't know why undergrads seem to struggle so much with this concept nowadays.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 01:25:53 UTC No. 16498762

>>16498720
>How do I job hop?
Stick with it for 2 years, or maybe even 3 due to 401k, then job hop. Immediately jumping looks bad on the resume. Good news is the secret clearance will help you in finding a new job that also requires secret clearance.
>t. EE who's been in a DoD contractor job for over a year now

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 02:00:52 UTC No. 16498782

I had a job in corporate tech, bounced between big name companies for 4.5 years. Made a ridiculous amount of money. My net savings are approx. 400k usd.

Wanted to unalive myself from how utterly miserable the experience in corporate was. I genuinely hated every single moment. Hated the people, hated waking up, hated everything. I quit and went back for Master's.

Now doing my MSc. Excellent grades so far. I'm 4 years older than everyone else with me in the program. I am having a great time just enjoying the process. Studying while having money is also great because i can make my life easier and focus on studying.

I want to do a PhD. I have this romanticized idea of the life of an intellectual/academic. Yet, everyone i ask tells me it is an absolutely horrible idea.

It feels like going back to industry is the path of least resistance. I would genuinely rather kms than go back to 70 hour work weeks in tech consulting.

What do i do? On one hand there's an option i know is ass from lived experience and on the other hand is an option which everyone I trust tells me is ass.

Is this just life? Everything sucks?

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 04:13:33 UTC No. 16498869

>>16498543
Yeah I'm aware.
It's just difficult to do hard work when I'm thinking about offing myself 24/7.
I'm not even sure I'll be able to sustain some required mental fortitude after getting better.
>>16498609
I was told that for a PhD, your grades during the masters program are way more important than your grades during undergrad. Is that true?
My country doesn't function with a GPA system. Let's say that I graduate with a 7.0 or 7.5 at best (max score 10.0), how realistic is it for me to search for grad school opportunities at good unis (by good I mean in the top 100)?

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:07:44 UTC No. 16499073

>>16498782
You didn't enjoy the projects you worked on at your jobs at all?

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:39:11 UTC No. 16499098

>>16493203
some german physics anon here? How long does it take to usually complete a master thesis? Prof says a year that would mean I am working for free on their shit for a whole fucking year 5 days a week which seems insane. Am I wrong? I would have thought 3 months getting to know the topic 3months doing real work and 3 months at most for writing.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 10:49:15 UTC No. 16499104

>>16498782
>I would genuinely rather kms than go back to 70 hour work weeks in tech consulting
>I have this romanticized idea of the life of an intellectual/academic

Academia will likely end up being 70 hour work weeks for considerably less compensation. But it's probably different from corporate in that the only person who loses if you don't put in hours is you. Academia is about building a brand around yourself. Accordingly, there's less external pressure, barring a slave driver PI. The flip side is that you can wander through a PhD and not end up with anything if you can't manage yourself/don't have a good PI to manage you.

"The life on an intellectual/academic" is indeed romanticized. Maybe the professor emeritus gets to ramble on TV, ogle at undergrads and eat canapes all day. Early career academia is brutal and gameified to the point where the science you do is secondary to what you are perceived as and by how many people. A lot of time is spent on checking boxes and getting metrics. Positions where you do science yourself suck, and the only permanent positions are essentially managerial and fiercely competed for.

If you have 400k savings in your 20s you're good. You can just try research and do a PhD while your money's compounding interest. If it looks like research isn't what you want long term then just re-enter industry. It's pretty easy to spin getting a PhD as something that served your long term goals in whatever.

>Is this just life? Everything sucks?
Pretty much. You're in a good position though.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 15:24:01 UTC No. 16499256

>>16498869
>It's just difficult to do hard work when I'm thinking about offing myself 24/7.
That is why we post motivational posters around here. Studying is hard, but we can get through it to the graduation.
WAGMI

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 16:04:08 UTC No. 16499299

>>16498349
this is true in my exp.
>t. have worked for 2 microwave EE gigs, second one is paying for me to go back to school

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 16:16:17 UTC No. 16499307

>>16495669
>Do big companies like Raytheon, Boeing, Tesla look like this on the inside?
I've worked with KLA engineers, and I currently work in the same lot as a northrop gruman shop. Yes, every lab/shop that isn't big enough to justify their own building just rents the cheap office space (get it?) in the cheap office/industrial zones part of town. Thankfully, usually the ones with decent landscaping.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 17:59:33 UTC No. 16499364

good morning
I work as a software engineer in simulations and may consider getting a masters in statistics, is this a good idea?
I'd rather not get a masters in AI or software engineering and data science seems to be just watered down CS and stat.
I think that a masters in statistics would open my opportunities for the future if something happens at my company (even though the job security seems great) and will even help with my current job

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 18:05:10 UTC No. 16499368

>>16498782
why don't you just do a decent job (as in not half-assing but not killing yourself working so hard) at a well paying job while setting up your own project/business idea?
Then if you get put on PIP or whatever you'll have good savings, not be burnt out, and have had some time to develop your ideas

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 19:11:50 UTC No. 16499426

>>16498782
>I want to do a PhD. I have this romanticized idea of the life of an intellectual/academic. Yet, everyone i ask tells me it is an absolutely horrible idea.
It depends how far you go. I did a PhD plus two postdoc contracts before I left academia, and I thought that was fine. You get to learn and experience many things but I didn't get sucked into tenure track with vague promises that one day, anon, you will become professor. Reality is that many remain hopeful for 15+ years and never het promoted. A PhD is often considered being locked into an academic career but that isnot really true.
>It feels like going back to industry is the path of least resistance. I would genuinely rather kms than go back to 70 hour work weeks in tech consulting.
Many but not all companies are slave ships. just chose carefully and never consider yourself married to the company.
>What do i do? On one hand there's an option i know is ass from lived experience and on the other hand is an option which everyone I trust tells me is ass.
Do the PhD. Consider at least one postdoc contract in a different country. Then leave for industry. Consider founding your own startup.
>Is this just life? Everything sucks?
Yes, this is life but you have a lot of say in how it plays out. I am writing from personal experience.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 19:16:44 UTC No. 16499435

>>16499426
>A PhD is often considered being locked into an academic career but that isnot really true.
Depends a lot on the field and/or which companies you target. Would you really hire some failed academic used goods, fucked by multiple PIs, over a fresh grad?

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 19:27:30 UTC No. 16499446

>>16499364
>and data science seems to be just watered down CS and stat.
It is but that only matters if you personally care on an intrinsic level
A lot of the reason "data science" blew up into a big meme career is that the statistics that is actually used in practice is little babby shit that can be taught in bootcamps. No one cares about hardass statistical theory except for statisticians

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 19:42:00 UTC No. 16499455

>>16499098
My master's thesis took one year in particle physics theory in Germany. 6 months of getting used to the research, 6 months researching and writing, but the transition is fluid. Got a PhD position afterwards.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:04:17 UTC No. 16499471

>>16499455
how much work did you have to put in per week for the researching?

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:14:39 UTC No. 16499487

>>16499471
40 hours, sometimes more, but I also started working on PhD stuff on the side. It's not a good deal, you don't get paid, but you still want to work as hard as possible to secure a PhD position and to get started on publishing papers. I think you have to be intrinsically motivated, unless you want to go into industry afterwards, then you can probably do less.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:29:22 UTC No. 16499504

>>16499487
thanks that doesn't sound very motivating luckily(?) I am not pursing a phd nor is it theory so I hope my workload is smaller.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:31:13 UTC No. 16499507

>>16498782
I can't believe a post with this aggressive amount of reddit spacing got so much engagement. This site really is dead.

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 20:52:34 UTC No. 16499523

>>16493203
I'm gonna finish my pure maths degree at 30 with a mediocre GPA. What are my options now? I probably won't be accepted for a PhD anywhere, right? I also can't become a high school teacher according to the laws of my country. Jesus Christ, I'm so fucked...

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 22:42:01 UTC No. 16499635

I am about to be done with my undergraduate degree in molecular biology. My plan this whole time was to go to medical school. However, my stats are pretty mediocre, about a 3.0 cGPA, a 3.3 sciGPA, and an average MCAT. I'm retaking the MCAT this Spring. I was going to take next year totally off and go to Europe using the money I had saved up. But I could also go to grad school next fall and do a masters with linkage to a medical school, which is expensive, but risky, because if I do bad then I'm fucked.
Part of me feels like I don't even want anything anymore, I used to be so passionate about medicine and science but I've grown uninterested and despondent. I don't even care about graduating that much. I wish I could just play piano forever and live somewhere nice in Europe. Should I apply to grad school and start next fall? How do I rekindle the passion I once had? Don't get me wrong, I still want to be a doctor, I genuinely like it, but I feel like I might just be too stupid for it and I'm just chasing a pipe dream.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 01:40:59 UTC No. 16499785

>>16499523
Don't include the GPA in your resume. Do you have a plan in mind after graduating?

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 04:20:52 UTC No. 16499867

should i switch my major from metallurgical engineering (extractive) to chemical engineering? it would delay graduation by a year, but i've already taken most of the good met classes and i am working as a research assistant with access to decent met projects. i'm just kind of disillusioned with some of the curriculum that feels like filler and i want to take chemical thermo/ more unit operation courses. however, our extractive met salaries are relatively nice out of school (my colleagues are getting offers from 83-90k right now) and the jobs are plentiful, although mostly semi-remote locations and challenging environments.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 04:39:58 UTC No. 16499883

What exactly does an engineering job involve (i.e. what is a typical 'day in the life of' look like)?

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 04:57:48 UTC No. 16499887

engineering sneedgineer. all jobs are shit. my sisters husband is a civil engineer and he cant afford to live in california. if you ask me an engineer should be to live wherever the fuck he wants. i wouldnt want to do lectures though but getting money to do experiments and being your own boss and researching what you care about must be nice.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 05:18:25 UTC No. 16499900

>>16499883
MS Excel

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 06:49:15 UTC No. 16499950

>>16499785
I wanted to do a PhD, I don't think I'm dumber than my friends who are doing one, but I messed around too much during my degree and my resume is utter shit. I don't know if it's possible to hide my GPA.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 07:39:28 UTC No. 16499990

>>16499887
What does he make? Most civils should be able to get enough by renting a studio after they acquire licensure.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 10:22:59 UTC No. 16500063

>>16499887
>he cant afford to live in california
No shit, California rarely anyone can afford to live there. Engineering salaries haven't caught up with the past 20 years of inflation.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 13:27:21 UTC No. 16500153

>>16499883
Ignoring emails and sitting in meetings until someone harasses me about actually finishing a task (the task will take no more than a few hours but I will make them wait a week before I consider starting it or delegating to someone else).
I love being a research engineer.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 15:22:56 UTC No. 16500233

>>16499867
100% switch to cheme. metallurgical is shit

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 16:31:29 UTC No. 16500283

>>16499883
Tinkering with whatever shit they tell me to tinker with until they decide they don't actually want me tinkering with that, they want me tinkering with something else.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 18:08:37 UTC No. 16500406

>>16496746
>moving to medicine or neuroscience
Utterly retarded. Let me explain: you'd be starting over from scratch as you basically can't transfer anything from EE. Studying medicine is also really boring.
Stay in EE or ML, if you hate EE try coooding in the private sector or some neuro/ML crossover project in your free time
>with no legacy whatsoever
Save the white race by having 5 kids
>>16497005
Get a job, you can always go do a PhD later if you feel like your job is too boring and not stressful enough
>>16497974
Stop using social media and watching YT videos, study with pen and paper, generic health advice (sleep, exercise, supplements). ADHD meds DO work and the side effects are minor, you should at least try them before dismissing them
>>16498869
>your grades during the masters program are way more important than your grades during undergrad
This is true.
>It's just difficult to do hard work when I'm thinking about offing myself 24/7.
Do you actually enjoy math? Or did your parents meme you into doing it? If you hate math and are bad at it, switch to a more employable major (like applied math, stats or CS)
>>16499364
>>16499446
Pretty much, masters in stats + software engineer should in theory be an awesome combo, but I feel like in practice there aren't that many jobs that require both of these skills. Usually companies want either pure analysts or pure software engineers. That said if you really like stats I'd just go for it. Do note that a lot of stats programs are really up their own ass about mathematical rigor doing stuff like deep research into measure theory which is very detached from practice. Don't take too many of those courses and do applied stuff.
>>16499635
Can you get into med school outside of the US? For example, Irish 4-year medical schools require a minimum sciGPA of 3.3, maybe worth a shot? Also University of Nicosia has really low entry requirements, but the tuition is very expensive
https://www.atlanticbridge.com/medicine/

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 18:11:09 UTC No. 16500411

>>16499883
Basically you are like a toddler putting the correct shape into the correct hole.
Your job has been streamlined by software tools designed and programmed by coders, who are the only real engineers still in existence.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 19:57:43 UTC No. 16500504

>>16499883
I wish I knew. I have been working 3 months as an engineer and I have done literally nothing. Yes, I work for a defense contractor.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 21:18:25 UTC No. 16500570

>>16500504
If it makes you feel any better I've been working 3 months and I'm pretty sure I've just burned a big pile of money on a project that's doomed.

Granted, the project came before me. I should have said it's doomed but didn't have the balls to do that week 1 so instead I downgraded it from turbo fucked to just fucked. Still think I'm gonna be the one who gets blamed when it implodes.

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 21:41:12 UTC No. 16500590

Is trump making biochemistry PhDs worthless?

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 21:54:08 UTC No. 16500595

>Get a Bachelor's in Chemistry, with focus on theochem and electrochem
>Exchange semester at foreign university
>Get an Internship in Electrochemistry at a top company (auto)
>Get some Data Analyst Certs on the side
---I am here currently here ---
>Do another internship/student job as a Data Analyst to get some IT experience
>Get a Master's in Computational Chemistry
>Third (Research) Internship, adjecent to electrochemistry/computational chemistry/simulation/quantum computing
>Get a job or PhD?

Opinion on my planned college trajectory?

Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 23:06:27 UTC No. 16500643

>>16500595
Make only 1-2 plans into the future and abandon all other plans, your trajectory can/will change so fast it will make your head spin. Put one foot in front of the other and your path will lead you somewhere.

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 00:29:32 UTC No. 16500718

Guys, I’m doing it. I’m 35 and had to start in remedial math but I’ll be taking calc 1 and 2 next year along with o-chem 1/2 :)

I’m not sure what letter even comes after A because I’ve never seen it on a report card

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 09:44:19 UTC No. 16501062

>>16499435
>Depends a lot on the field and/or which companies you target.
Definitely true. I used to work for a deence supplier wher eit became very clear that promotions were reserved for people with officer background. I left.
>Would you really hire some failed academic used goods, fucked by multiple PIs, over a fresh grad?
Sure. A fresh grad has no idea how hard life can be, and a failed academic can become a success in industry.

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 10:00:08 UTC No. 16501074

>>16499507
>I can't believe a post with this aggressive amount of reddit spacing got so much engagement.
We are comfy here
>This site really is dead.
And that makes absolutely no sense.

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 11:44:09 UTC No. 16501106

>>16501074
It makes perfect sense, but you're a moron with a moronic definition of what might make a site dead or not and so your moronic post served as a timely reinforcement of the initial claim.

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 19:24:06 UTC No. 16501366

>>16500595
Is 'do another 2 interships and choose this specialization for your major' that much of an outlandish plan? It's not like Inak talking about my whole life here.

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 20:08:52 UTC No. 16501429

>>16501366
>>16500643

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 21:52:51 UTC No. 16501522

>>16501106
This general has been running since October 2020, more or less continuously, where each thread lasts about 2 weeks. I have no idea how you can consider that dead.

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 23:36:57 UTC No. 16501598

I have a BS in math and can't even get a job at a grocery store
I had to drop out of my phd program because they had no funding for me
I'm starting to regret not taking uncle ted's letter seriously
now I'm fucked beyond repair

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 05:13:22 UTC No. 16501841

>>16498782
>What do i do? On one hand there's an option i know is ass from lived experience and on the other hand is an option which everyone I trust tells me is ass.
>Is this just life? Everything sucks?
Working is always going to be work, but it shouldn't necessarily be miserable. Find yourself another job in industry after you upskill. Maybe at a smaller corporation or an industrial research lab where you have some freedom and autonomy. Trust your friends and don't go into academia lol.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 05:14:43 UTC No. 16501842

>>16500718
I'm proud of you anon. Now leave this place and never come back.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 08:10:38 UTC No. 16501907

>>16501598
Yeah dude it was industrial society that made you fucking useless.

Pick up a shovel and get to farming then serf.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 08:11:38 UTC No. 16501909

>>16501074
I'm not comfortable. Fuck off.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 18:04:08 UTC No. 16502338

I'm living my best life.
Live. Laugh. Love.
So blessed.
And remember
~*~those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind~*~

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 18:10:32 UTC No. 16502357

if i was uber nervous and cringe at an interview and havent heard from them after two weeks although they said they'll give me an answer within a week, should i send an email asking about my status, like "hi all, i understand that i was nervous at the interview, etc etc just enquiring about my status [reiterating how am i good/want this position] but it's completely fine if im not accepted blah blah" can it work

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:16:31 UTC No. 16502680

>>16502357

People get nervous in interviews, it happens, don't worry about it. It would be a good idea to chase them up about the status of your application.

However in my opinion you should skip the "I understand that I was nervous" and "it's completely fine if I'm not accepted" parts. There's no point in reminding them of the bit that maybe wasn't so good about your interview. Your feelings about being rejected are not part of the equation and dealing with business without throwing a tantrum goes without saying. Them not responding is not because they don't want to hurt your feelings. Most likely they either have another candidate in mind but not confirmed or simply don't have their shit together. Who knows, asking won't hurt and at this stage chasing them up is fine and even the correct thing to do.

Just keep it short, polite and to the point. You might want to lead with something like "it was great to get a chance to meet the team" or whatever is appropriate to your particular circumstance. Don't wax poetic.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 22:10:27 UTC No. 16502766

Welp lads, I took the field engineering gig and about to poop sock my career traveling for 80% of the year.

Which hotel chain, airline, and rental car company have the best rewards programs?

Any tips for keeping a cheap “home base” in a big and expensive city (it’s where company HQ is)? Should I even bother furnishing it?

How did you guys who took a pay cut adjust? I know for a fact they’re gonna bump me up to $225k after 3 years and I dunno how I could shoot that down to go make $100k less. I’m afraid of getting locked into this lifestyle forever.

Lastly, what the fuck am I supposed to do on the weekends in a bum fuck middle of nowhere town besides getting drunk and playing vidya?

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 22:47:13 UTC No. 16502841

Research internship at Mexico's #2 uni university or China's #8 university? I speak passable Spanish but zero Chinese.

Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 23:54:37 UTC No. 16502944

>>16502841
China because of the extra competitiveness+IQ difference

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Dec 2024 00:29:56 UTC No. 16502981

Welp, im finally about to graduate with BS in ME(assuming i don't slip more) Only took 6 years because of covid. After getting a few interviews last year and then not hearing back several times, I have absolutely no motivation to apply to anything right now. Even though I should be applying. no internships either. how fucked am i?

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Dec 2024 00:41:23 UTC No. 16502997

>>16502841
What languages are the respective programs in?

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Dec 2024 03:20:10 UTC No. 16503161

>>16501598
Go do spreadsheets like the rest of us
>t. Graduated BS math last year

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:43:28 UTC No. 16503310

>>16502997
In China it's in English and in Mexico it's mostly in English but speaking Spanish will obviously help.

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Dec 2024 13:30:20 UTC No. 16503533

>>16502766
No I idea but I hope it involves you not posting anymore.

Anonymous at Thu, 5 Dec 2024 16:24:03 UTC No. 16503665

>>16502981
Very i did cheme but atleast i had some internships. I had 30-40 interviews before getting on somewhere and i only got on because I had experience in that niche field

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Dec 2024 02:59:50 UTC No. 16504459

i just finished my first semester for my engineering capstone project
i did nearly nothing and my group did everything for me

i also cannot do work this semester as i get distracted and have not turned in multiple assignments because of that
i might fail multiple classes this semester tarnishing a 3.7 gpa and i hate myself for it and think about blowing it smooth off every day

im not gonna make it am i?

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Dec 2024 12:33:17 UTC No. 16504732

>>16502680
very helpful brother, thank you.

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:48:53 UTC No. 16504881

>>16496136
Head editor of JACS (chemical, not ceramic) btw. Organic chemist so you know he's a pompous cunt.

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Dec 2024 15:59:38 UTC No. 16504894

>>16504881
>Organic chemist
That explains it. The biggest horror stories I hear about grad students being chained to radiators are generally from synthetic chemistry. Harvard had a rather long-running issue with suicides in the chemistry department.

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Dec 2024 16:08:41 UTC No. 16504899

>>16504894
I thought it was just that one guy?
These organic scum are really funny in the big picture. All that grinding and for what? To publish the 101st Of catalyzed directed c-h functionalization or some meme natural product? (Imagine spending years to synthesize a small sample of a thing that already existed before). Maybe one of the most dead fields in chemistry running on fumes from the PIs' collective farts and the biggest assholes competing with each other. I guess you can get a job in pharma though.

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Dec 2024 16:36:21 UTC No. 16504928

>>16504899
That one case in 1998 was particularly famous, but there have certainly been others. Around that time a certain chemistry PI there had three suicides within a fairly short time period. I was at Harvard for a while recently, not working in chemistry but interacting with people who did. This was a topic that came up a couple of times, and what was spoken of was not a one-off thing 25 years ago but rather a more recent and almost regular problem. They certainly have a reputation in the circles, but maybe not in public.

I'm therefore surprised to find few to no reliable references when trying to Google this. There are some murmurings but little else. In other circumstances I might believe people get their facts confused and rumors spread, in this case I'm not so sure.

Universities, especially the big ones, are really rather good at keeping things under wraps. They do not like their messes to be broadcast, and they are very conscious and protective of their public image. I have some first hand experiences with this, from a PI who was booted out for trying to fuck a student to a lab getting shut down because of gross, systematic and long-standing safety violations finally leading to an injury. Neither was publicised and an outsider would never know these things happened.

Anonymous at Fri, 6 Dec 2024 17:30:04 UTC No. 16504987

thinking of working in my third world country for 3-4 more years as a civil engineer, doing a master's then moving to murica to actually make some money, how does my career plan sound?

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 03:36:04 UTC No. 16505462

>>16504987
fuck off we're full

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 03:52:34 UTC No. 16505483

>>16504987
youd need to redo the courses in murifat and then get the license on top of that.
Dont believe the reported salaries sites those are bologna. look at indeed.com
None of them list the salaries though but id bet entry levrl is around $60,000
the average home price in the us us $412,000
pic related is what youd be paying for mortgage. the price of food is also pretty pricey.
youd be leaving your family and friends as well. theres all that immigration to go through.
lots of factor to consider. No 6 figures out of the airplane for you bud.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 08:35:47 UTC No. 16505616

>>16505483
>but id bet entry levrl is around $60,000
>the average home price in the us us $412,000
>pic related is what youd be paying for mortgage. the price of food is also pretty pricey.
sounds like an entry level engineer would still be saving more money than living in a third world country in their parent's house not paying for anything (like me), even if their starting monthly salary is $5,000 and $4,000 is spent on mortgage/rent+bills+food that's still $1,000 to put in the bank or do whatever you want with which is much more than you would be saving in my cuntree but maybe I am underestimating the cost of living
>youd need to redo the courses in murifat
sounds bothersome, do they not instantly accept foreign degrees as valid in the usa or is it extra courses all engineers have to take for their license?

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 09:21:59 UTC No. 16505635

>>16505616
>do they not instantly accept foreign degrees as valid in the usa or is it extra courses all engineers have to take for their license?
Not that Anon, but it depends on accreditation. If the program you studied is accredited by ABET, then you can jump a few hoops and apply for an engineer-in-training license immediately after graduating and take the Professional Engineer's exam 4 years later.
On the other hand, if it's not accredited by ABET or any other accreditation body that has a mutual recognition agreement with ABET, then having an unaccredited engineering degree will be about as useful as having a degree in German literature or none at all, meaning that you'll have to work under a licensed professional engineer for anywhere between 12 and 17 years before you can apply for the Professional Engineering exam and get licensed in one state in America.
There are some states like California and Texas that allow you to look for a credential evaluation body/company that will tell you whether or not the degree you fits the minimum requirements for an engineering degre in the state you're applying to, but many foreign engineering degree holders tend to have a slightly unbalanced mixture of courses (such as not enough math/science courses, or not enough Humanities/General Studies courses).
Whatever the case might be, I suggest you to pick one American state in particular and to study PE licensing requirements in that state. Also, I recommend you to look for a job in a multi-national company in which you could have the opprtunity to relocate to America, if you plan on eventually working in America.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 10:43:51 UTC No. 16505671

>>16505635
I see, thanks for the info

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 18:13:58 UTC No. 16505971

great, me wanting to be le basedentist researcher and starting a PhD fucked me up by having my girlfriend of 3 years, the most meaningful romantic relationship I have ever had, leave me as she can't keep coping with long distance and doesn't want to move in with me abroad, even if the country is bordering and has much better job opportunities and higher quality of life. I can't really blame her. This life sucks. Everyone expects you to be a lonely friendless loser away from home and to move every couple years to a new country, "everybody does it bro" like it's not a huge sacrifice moving away from family, friends and your own culture. And for what? Shit pay, working way more than 8 hours a day, always under pressure to produce great research, otherwise you'll have no future prospects. I hate myself so much it's unreal, why couldn't I have been something else. If I don't publish in Nature and land exactly the position I want I will do the needful.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 18:43:55 UTC No. 16505998

Is it really that bad to job hop after 3 months? I got a really great offer that I doubt I will get again any time soon. I will be switching roles and industries. Significant pay increase too.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 18:50:48 UTC No. 16506001

>>16505616
>>16505635
I studied in the UK (no ABET - Scotland has ABET I think but I didn’t study there) and they have a 3 year bachelors + 1 year masters which is literally treated identically to a masters degree (initial salary bump + quicker promotions)... And I work at a govt lab. And my clearance was fast.

Probably next to impossible though if you aren’t a US citizen.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 19:00:01 UTC No. 16506006

>>16506001
does UK have something similar to ABET accreditation for working as an engineer there?

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 19:10:48 UTC No. 16506013

>>16505971
Just get another gf.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 19:11:53 UTC No. 16506015

>>16502357
This won’t work and the fact that you’re even thinking about an interview you had two weeks ago means you will 100% never get a job if you don’t switch your strategy.

But you will if you just listen to me.


Here are things you need:
Headphones, energy drinks, a LinkedIn profile, a CLEAN resume slightly tailored to the kind of job you are applying for (or multiple if multiple types) but also slightly exaggerated (milk every last bit of experience you have, whether it be an internship or group projects or personal projects or anything - if you don’t have references then just put that you can provide them although you may need to beg some profs) and hitting as many of the major buzzwords as possible (you can infer what these are by just reading what the job postings are looking for). If there are buzzwords you don’t have experience with, double-check that it wouldn’t be trivial to pretend that you do or are at least familiar with it.

But most importantly -
Put your headphones on, search ‘jungle dnb mix’ on YouTube, crack open your sugarless red bull or monster rehab, touch up your resume if necessary, login to linkedin, apply to every single EASY APPLY posting you can find for the position you want across the entire country.

I’m talking you should be applying to 25+ jobs a day minimum, ideally 50. Don’t stop when you get an interview because they’re going to want you to do 3 interviews and you’re 99% not going to get the job. Do every interview and you will get better and better at them. If you need a script then write a script (they can’t see your screen anyway). Never look back.


The only jobs I would put effort into actually filling out their forms are defense contractors as they are the easiest jobs to get, else jobs that you have the exact kind of experience they’re looking for or interest in.

QUANTITY OVER QUALITY. If u only apply for 2-5 jobs/day & take a break every time you get an interview u will never find one

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 19:42:35 UTC No. 16506068

>>16506013
>"just find another hot looking, compatible, caring and loving companion who shares your values and is loyal and is serious about relationships, bro"
yeah only took me 23 year last time, what's 23 more

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 19:44:33 UTC No. 16506070

>>16506068
bro got into dating when he was an infant

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:17:01 UTC No. 16506110

Welp, I'm taking next semester off

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:28:21 UTC No. 16506129

>>16503161
It's not a pretentious thing I really don't know how to get an excel/spreadsheets job.
>>16501907
That's not what I was talking about, I meant his letter explaining why studying math is retarded.
I should have known better, we basically did the same kind of research.
I studied the most virgin shit in math. At least gamblers and numerologists fuck.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:31:54 UTC No. 16506133

I studied math so I'm obviously retarded, so please can you guys help tell me how to get a job?
The other guys I know are a fellow in their PhD program, make 300k in finance, and is an actuary.
The problem is that I'm not a genious, my uncle doesn't work in finance, and I didn't take (or study for) any actuary exams.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:33:45 UTC No. 16506136

>>16506133
learn to code

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 21:44:36 UTC No. 16506171

Thoughts on going for a math degree for my undergrad? Or are there better things to get a bachelor’s in that lands a well paying job out of undergrad? Regardless, I’m going to grind for my gpa for grad school just in case but I’d rather not want to need grad school in the first place

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 22:36:22 UTC No. 16506199

>>16505971
>Everyone expects you to be a lonely friendless loser away from home and to move every couple years to a new country, "everybody does it bro" like it's not a huge sacrifice moving away from family, friends and your own culture.

It is indeed a huge sacrifice and one of the worst things about academia. Especially because it happens at the age when people usually start to find more permanent relationships, buy houses, have kids and so on. But if you want to be an academic you will do a PhD, a postdoc, and whatever early career garbage you have to wade through. All stages are usually badly paid and require or heavily encourage moving, often a significant distance, and have massive uncertainty about continued livelihood. So basically you're forced to put your adult life on hold.

It is almost like a cult. Since you usually move, your social circles get severed, and since you're working long hours your new circles will almost entirely be fellow academics. Before you know it your entire existence is tied to that shit.

>why couldn't I have been something else
You still can. I went to industry after postdoc. It still sucks but it sucks differently and is much more conducive towards having an actual life.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 23:26:07 UTC No. 16506234

>>16506199
I think I will try to pivot to industry unless everything works out perfectly which probably won't, I was lucky enough to land something not too niche for my field, with applications to industry. It's so fucking telling that my PI, who started only a couple months before me as a tenure track prof, just turned 40, at the young age of 40 his life finally reached some stability. And him is someone who made it, that is the best research can offer you when you are the 1% top dog in the field, stability at 40. What a fucking joke of a "career".

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 23:39:58 UTC No. 16506254

>>16506234
Yeah. The guy I worked for during my postdoc was the youngest person I ever personally knew to get a tenure track professorship at 31 in a very prestigious university. However he was also a sociopath on a bike and a shit scientist, just pretty good at playing the game and extremely opportunistic. But also quite transparent and pathetic on prolonged interaction. Not everyone is like this, there are very talented and sincere people as well.

Realizing someone like that was the most successful scientist I'd met, as well as seeing what the end reward was (you get to become an administrator) was extremely demotivating. To be honest my own career wasn't exactly on a great trajectory. There was a way to keep pushing, but I turned 30 and had to start asking myself questions.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Dec 2024 00:05:24 UTC No. 16506275

>>16505971
I left my family too for my PhD and I'm currently poorer than ever, have no friends or connections, and get drunk alone every weekend and watch cartoons. My life sucks.

However, I have never had a girlfriend, never had any deep connections besides my mom and maybe some friends, undergrad was shit and lonely, and being a tech was total shit, lonely, I was poor, and I wasn't doing anything cool. I'm well aware that I'll probably die alone and miserable, but two years into my PHD and I still believe in the mission, at least. I want to fucking murder my PI, everyone in the lab hates him, I speak to zero people in my program, my social skills are atrophying, I drive a total shitbox, and I have rats in my roof, but, frankly, fuck me: this is still the most hopeful I've ever been about the future.

So, I dunno anon. Welcome to team loser, I guess. You can probably quit the program and be happy, but if you have bigger dreams then hang in there and stick with them. WAGMI, anyway.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Dec 2024 22:45:48 UTC No. 16507145

>>16506254
>Not everyone is like this, there are very talented and sincere people as well.
Thankfully, yes. The smartest person I even met lost out in the internal politics and had to move to another university to get tenure, but is now successful. Those that won at the first place have not really gotten anywhere.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 01:59:41 UTC No. 16507250

>>16493203
Thinking about switching about of CS to chemical engineering because CS job market is trash.

Would this be a good idea? Or is the engineering job market also fucked as well?

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 07:03:36 UTC No. 16507447

Getting a young child interested in science and putting all sorts of ideas in their head about being a scientist should be considered child abuse.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 14:02:53 UTC No. 16507633

do they value Azure certificates in bioinformatics?

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 14:25:00 UTC No. 16507649

Is there anything more useless than an astrobiologist?

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 14:59:58 UTC No. 16507696

I fell for the meme

What jobs can I get with a bachelor's degree in physics and weak coding experience?

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 15:25:29 UTC No. 16507705

any engineers actually enjoying their jobs here? I've found a nice home in industrial automation and some power distribution for manufacturing. it's fun. BSEE

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 15:49:27 UTC No. 16507729

>>16507696
PhD

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 16:01:02 UTC No. 16507739

I have a stanford professor willing to take me as RA, could lead to a PhD there. I currently work a well paid job, 140k compensation outside of the US, but its a boring job that does not use my skills at all, in a no name company that hasnt been able to sell a product and make profit 2 years in and just runs on VC money.

Is it retarded to leave that gig and jump on the opportunity to get in the US through a potential pathway to a prestigious degree? Its a money now vs money later kind of problem, but I just dont see my current startup going anywhere, I could enjoy the money while I can, but after that, I will have a shit resume stained by a career start working on a failed product, when I could do much better AND get a pathway towards a GC.

On the other hand, PhD life sounds like shit: poor and sexless incel lifestyle. I dont know how much of it is simply due to PhDs being disproportionately loser nerds. Also I would be out of it at 28 at the earliest, which is shit, Im even consider that in the country I currently live in, girls are easy to talk to and get laid with, but in California Id probably be an incel loser without money and 8+/10 looks.

Is it correct to take the gamble and join that prof in the hopes to get hired as a phd student eventually or do I just enjoy what I have? I dont want to do a PhD if its not in an elite school, otherwise theres literally no fucking positive aspect that would outweigh all the negatives I mentioned, even if I aspire to do research.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 19:51:02 UTC No. 16508015

>>16507696
Defense contractor

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 19:57:10 UTC No. 16508022

>>16493203
Geoscience is stem right?

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 19:59:01 UTC No. 16508023

>>16507739
Are you just going to keep asking this until you get the answer you want? It's a shit deal and you're a retard but you clearly want it.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 20:04:16 UTC No. 16508027

Hello, I am from India.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 21:11:14 UTC No. 16508113

>>16508027
Will you be bringing curry to the multicultural holiday celebration December 25th?

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 22:16:15 UTC No. 16508157

>>16507696
A Physics degree is good, you just need a minimum of a Master's degree to get anywhere, preferably a PhD.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 22:19:37 UTC No. 16508160

>>16507739
This is year 2024: boring job is good, no job is the alternative. And 2 years witout profit is just normal in a startup, so it is way too early to quit now. On the other hand, if you quit now it doesn't look good, wait until full launch. And if it fails, there is no shame in that; you did your best but somehow it didn't pan out. now you have gotten more experience.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 04:06:55 UTC No. 16508418

Recently graduated with a bachelors in ME, been applying for about a month and half but only getting responses from CAD drafter/designer roles. Since I have no internships/experience, would it be smart to start out with these roles to build up experience? One company reached out with a 6 month contract to hire if I do well. It just feels a little weird to get monetary compensated lower than anticipated after getting a degree that took me 5 years to get.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:07:43 UTC No. 16508450

>>16507649
u nigga

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:33:03 UTC No. 16508464

>struggle through 6 grueling years of STEM education
>electrical engineering the "high paid" degree
>my salary gets dunked on by recruiters who partied all through college (if they even went at all) and do nothing but write emails and do phone screenings all day
STEM is a joke

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 06:24:50 UTC No. 16508484

>>16508464
Yea pretty much i just got out the job hunt after graduating as cheme fag took about 6 months

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 18:49:57 UTC No. 16508976

>>16508464
university is not a school.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 19:32:22 UTC No. 16509018

>>16508976
Have you been to college recently? It's a daycare. Inflation has hit hard, you have to pass everyone now to pay for new campus buildings

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:40:24 UTC No. 16509087

>>16508976
1. No where in my post did the word "school" appear.
2. Whatever you are trying to say is irrelevant to the point I was making.
3. Your behavior is unsociable.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 21:07:42 UTC No. 16509106

>>16509018
yes I work at college for free.

>>16509087
I'm just saying it's not a work training facility it's now a place to be an academic.
You have to go to a "school" like medical school

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 21:24:14 UTC No. 16509120

>>16509106
>I'm just saying it's not a work training facility it's now a place to be an academic.
Being both pedantic and incorrect at the same time is a humiliating position to be in.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 21:27:51 UTC No. 16509126

It's not a real academy unless you are walking barefoot in an olive tree garden with your Greek philosopher mentor and discussing whether the gods love good things because they are good or good things are good because the gods love them

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 02:43:04 UTC No. 16509421

Can I go into a masters in a STEM field with a undergrad in philosophy (lol) I was thinking of hiring a tutor to teach me a STEM curriculum in 1 or 2 years and then go in.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 03:03:31 UTC No. 16509432

>>16509421
No.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 05:52:13 UTC No. 16509552

I'm biz but can I bond with stemlords over hating christards

🗑️ Cult of Passion at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 06:39:20 UTC No. 16509582

>>16509552
I am the most STEM Lord alive on this planet. Go back to the /biz-temple/ (money exchangers).

t.Knows how to make Omega-ray energy and eternal life serum like in the movie Lucy.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 11:25:54 UTC No. 16509702

>>16509552
Most people here believe in Jesus Christ, our Lord & Saviour.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 12:48:26 UTC No. 16509736

>>16509421
No they won't accept it in most cases. Unless you email 1000 unis and explain your unique situation (assuming you self teach the curriculum) and have some way of demonstrating your knowledge.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:17:52 UTC No. 16509799

>>16493203
Just returned to college, 36 years old, to finish my undergraduate degree (philosophy).
Is it worth it to try for a double major with cs? i'd technically be a junior (transfer credit hours) this spring semester. i can definitely do a cs minor within a reasonable time-span, but would that level of education give me any employable cs skills?

One hitch is i haven't taken a math class in 20 years and i have to test into at least college algebra for any cs related plans to be viable. i've never been "good" at math but i'm realizing that that notion was mostly lazy cope/avoidance. this winter break i'm planning to relearn all the mathematics i barely learned the first time around, but for real this time. i also have to see if cs is even something i would be good at. i killed it in logic 1 though and do have a more analytic bent, even though underutilized and poorly equipped.
That's a lot of broad question so any thoughts or advice would be appreciated anons. apologies for the blog. thanks guys.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 16:59:37 UTC No. 16509877

>>16509799
Im also 36 having just left academia (for good I hope). I have seen a lot of mature stundents struggle with math but also a lot of 40+ students succeeding. I think studying CS sounds a lot more marketable than philosophy.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:01:10 UTC No. 16509878

>>16508418
I have a math PhD and they put me on CAD duty.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:58:34 UTC No. 16509907

I cannot get over how cute jks are. Is high school teacher really such a terrible career path?

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 18:03:17 UTC No. 16509911

>>16509907

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 18:04:14 UTC No. 16509912

My first step towards sanity has been to decided against doing PhD in pure math. Instead, I am flirting with the idea of doing PhD in ML. However, I am being drawn towards purer topics like randomised algorithms. Would choosing randomised algorithms over ML appreciably harm my employability? I don't intend to work in academia.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 18:05:55 UTC No. 16509915

Is it better to take squishy easy classes and get a 4.0 or hard classes and get a 3.x? What gets me more scholarships and makes me more employable?

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 21:00:18 UTC No. 16510057

>>16507250
engineering market is also shit.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 21:51:45 UTC No. 16510092

>>16510057
Jobs aren't even real

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:12:47 UTC No. 16510167

>>16500590
they always have been unless you have some rare in to a place like genentech

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 01:14:34 UTC No. 16510272

The chinese and arabs provide alternative career paths for white guys that nobody wants anymore right?
I heard you have to have some experience but do they take losers who have done a PhD but no work experience?
do the chinese and arabs give fresh white guys a chance?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 01:24:27 UTC No. 16510282

>>16507250
wouldn’t it make more sense to switch from CS to EE?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 03:30:29 UTC No. 16510346

>>16500406
>Do you actually enjoy math?
A fucking lot actually. It's one of my biggest passions. I'm just not sure if my degraded mental condition impacted my grades or if I'm just bad.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 10:06:44 UTC No. 16510528

>>16509799
>Just returned to college, 36 years old, to finish my undergraduate degree (philosophy).
Philosophy is not common around /scg/, what is the job market like?
>Is it worth it to try for a double major with cs?
The CS job market is a slave ship, and synergy with philosophy is far from obvious. Physics would be better, but then you need at least a master's degree, preferably a PhD. EE is also a possibility.
>i'd technically be a junior (transfer credit hours) this spring semester. i can definitely do a cs minor within a reasonable time-span, but would that level of education give me any employable cs skills?
You might get a CS degree but I am not sure you would want to. Especially if you are in the US you will feel the outsourcing pressure.
>One hitch is i haven't taken a math class in 20 years and i have to test into at least college algebra for any cs related plans to be viable. i've never been "good" at math but i'm realizing that that notion was mostly lazy cope/avoidance.
Maths is not important for CS but it is for Physics and EE.
>this winter break i'm planning to relearn all the mathematics i barely learned the first time around, but for real this time. i also have to see if cs is even something i would be good at. i killed it in logic 1 though and do have a more analytic bent, even though underutilized and poorly equipped.
Have you considered a career as an intelligence analyst?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 10:14:15 UTC No. 16510531

>>16509912
Afaik FAIR and Deepmind do hire people for topics like numerical Lin Alg, randomised algos, but it's niche and you've got to have a very strong publication record.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:42:23 UTC No. 16510561

>>16507649
>Is there anything more useless than an astrobiologist?
I had to look, found this:
https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/career-path-suggestions/
The best way to describe the career opportinities, is as desperate.
>There is a wide range of jobs available to astrobiologists besides doing research in a lab or lecturing at a university.
Yes?
>You can work in the press office informing the media on the latest happenings; or as a science journalist writing about the latest discoveries in websites, magazines, newspapers, or books.
And so can plain journalists and people like NdgT
>Are you also an artist?
No
>You can develop educational materials like the Astrobiology Graphic Histories.
That is desperate
>Or get into science policy making sure the government makes well-informed decisions about new laws or funding;
As in pumping funds into thecareer? Good thinkingm, Batman.
>or work in project management or administration.
Project management and administration are already separate courses with tons of graduates.
>Where do you want to contribute, what’s your path?
Well, you were meant to tell.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:33:19 UTC No. 16510739

Recruiters are the scum of the earth. I am so tired of these people.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 20:47:59 UTC No. 16510990

>>16510739
You got 200k in debt for a graduate degree to get rejected by a 2.0 GPA human resource roastie who payed for school with OF
How do you feel?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:05:46 UTC No. 16511009

>>16510990
she also makes 200k a year and is married to a rich 6 pack Chad in an open marriage and gets dicked down by her friends with benefits Tyrone in the downtime.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 03:49:33 UTC No. 16511292

I probably shouldn't have signed up for a PhD program

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 06:37:58 UTC No. 16511393

I am graduating with a 3.2 GPA from a decent state school in engineering, but honestly fell like I came out of university with no specialized skills. I fucked up my first two years (linear algebra, statistics, etc) and recovered with later classes.

I want to go to graduate school to develop an actual specialization and appreciation for math, probably in a statistics or OR major and later rejoin industry as a quant or doing kind of more interesting R&D. I had 3 'okay' engineering internships, but it was mostly managerial and boring. I have zero research experience, some volunteering experience and math projects with hospitals. Should I try to apply to good masters programs with a research thesis and then apply for a PhD later or just apply to a PhD?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:05:24 UTC No. 16511476

>>16511292
What is your field? A PhD is not done for the money but rather for the life experience.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:48:43 UTC No. 16511625

>>16511292
if you aren't a doctor or a lawyer you don't really have a choice but to get a PhD if you want to be educated

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 15:21:19 UTC No. 16511654

>>16511476
Physics. Rip me for choosing a shit degree.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 15:34:49 UTC No. 16511664

>>16496623
typical bug response, you are soulless and it will catch up to you

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 15:52:27 UTC No. 16511675

>>16511393
You sound like a tremendous intellect and destined for greatness. You shouldn't settle for a "boring" engineering job - you're destined for much greater things. Get your PhD under an elite mentor and become an R&D quant, of course, although I should warn you that even this might be too boring for someone on your level.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:05:51 UTC No. 16511682

>>16511654
>Physics
Ah, fellow physicist, no doubt a man of culture. Just do a PhD and all will be fine.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:50:41 UTC No. 16511713

I have a salary increase meeting in March (before the new tax year in April).
Not sure how to approach it or what to ask for. What I was thinking of doing is looking at increases in the same field, over a similar time period and career level, and showing my boss that, then seeing what he says.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:53:58 UTC No. 16511715

I turned down 3 PhD offers.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 17:01:36 UTC No. 16511719

what's the point of doing a PhD? wouldn't doing different master's programmes be better if you want to learn a lot of stuff? or even working on your field?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 17:03:02 UTC No. 16511721

>>16511719
Research

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 17:30:52 UTC No. 16511747

>>16511719
>what's the point of doing a PhD?
It it basically a researcher training programme. Besides the actual skills/connections etc. it is also a formal requirement for all academic and most industrial research positions.

>wouldn't doing different master's programmes be better if you want to learn a lot of stuff?
No. Master of all trades doctor of none kind of situation. Masters projects are generally much more constrained in terms of scope, time and your own ability to contribute, and you don't really get involved in the other aspects of academia (teaching, conferences, publishing, review and so on). They also usually involve a substantial taught component, whereas PhDs are mainly or entirely research, so your time would not be spent similarly.

Besides, typically Masters degrees cost you money whereas PhD degrees pay you money (not a lot, but still). And for purposes of compensation, immigration etc. your educational attainment is usually counted by the highest degree achieved. Simply put, PhD is the next step on the research career ladder from Masters, and you don't climb the ladder by grinding the lower rungs more. There really isn't much of a point in getting multiple Masters degrees.

>or even working on your field?
Potentially, but academic research is quite different from industry, and you wouldn't be able to go from industry to academia in most cases. You probably wouldn't be hired as a researcher anyway without a PhD. Besides this, academic research allows for more freedom in terms research topic and more generally. Even in practically useful/applied fields, the kind of research you get to do at universities simply isn't done in industry. And, as ever, you should never underestimate the importance of connections.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 17:55:21 UTC No. 16511759

>>16511713
You should be applying for other jobs and gathering offer letters instead.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:07:14 UTC No. 16511764

>>16511759
What do you mean?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:13:05 UTC No. 16511766

>>16511764
Probably that the best way to argue that you should be paid more is to show that someone else is willing to pay you more.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:14:10 UTC No. 16511767

>>16511766
Think this type of aggressive negotiation only works in America

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:16:11 UTC No. 16511769

>>16511766
this is retarded advice unless your goal is to get laid off
>>16511767
it's stupid even in america. showing your boss
>hey, I'm gonna leave the instant anybody else offers me more money
is not going to make him think it's a good idea to move you upwards

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:21:25 UTC No. 16511773

>>16511769
My boss is a super chill genxer PhD. I only work 4 days a week, can work from home when I don't need to be present in the factory, and he gives me time off when I need it without any issues. I have so much freedom as a recent grad it's insane. I don't need to do any of the bullshit fluff nonsense most new graduates have to do, in their graduate schemes, etc, he has me already taking part in designing and improving products. I'm already designing a new product line by myself in less than a year of employment. It's partly because we are a small company making very expensive products that are primarily sold to scientists at university labs and R&D departments at companies.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:22:48 UTC No. 16511775

>>16511769
I most definitely will leave the instant anybody else offers me more money.

I do however agree that it's considered polite to pretend that this is not the case.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:25:53 UTC No. 16511776

>>16511775
Bad way of thinking.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:32:04 UTC No. 16511782

>>16511776
I make <60k after a PhD + postdoc. There are no benefits, stock options or whatever.

The work is OK but not really what I signed up for.

I quite honestly do not understand why anyone would expect me to not get the hell out within a femtosecond of something better turning up.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:33:07 UTC No. 16511784

>>16511782
In your case it sounds warranted

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 20:28:09 UTC No. 16511907

>>16511769
>hey, I'm gonna leave the instant anybody else offers me more money

Yes. You one of those cucks that think the company actually cares about you and that you are part of a “family”? Corporate loyalty is for suckers, it’s work, they pay you. And they will not hesitate to drop your ass at a moments notice if they thought it would improve the bottom line.

Bosses are like women (or in some cases they literally are). They want you more when other women want you.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 20:30:38 UTC No. 16511911

>>16511775
You don’t broach it in a combative way. You approach your boss and say “hey, this is what they are offering, can you get me a little closer to that here?” You don’t storm in and make threats.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 21:36:38 UTC No. 16511994

>>16511675
Not sure what warrants the epic sarcasm, it's not controversial to state that most undergraduate-level engineering jobs don't have an active role in development and ARE boring.

>>16511393
Apply to a PhD program if you have good LoRs, otherwise don't bother until you do.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 21:58:50 UTC No. 16512012

Always
Be
Interviewing

Even if you have a solid job, you should be applying/interviewing as often as you have time, for the following reasons

1) it keeps your interviewing skills sharp.
2) it puts your name out there, you want to be in the “harem” of talent recruiters and HR people collect. You get to talk to managers and have them put a face to a name. Maybe it doesn’t work out for that particular position but as you climb the ranks in whatever your industry in, your world get smaller and smaller.
3) you get to actually gauge the temperature of your field and talk to hiring managers, figuring out what’s lacking, what’s attractive in an applicant, what skill sets are desired, what compensation looks like. Believing Glassdoor bullshit is top tier retarded.
4) you can shoot for the moon for positions that are above your current pay grade. Are your odds low? Sure, but you never know, maybe you made a good impression (because of your practiced interview skills!) on the hiring manager and you just got offered a dream gig with a fat fucking pay raise. Worst they say is no.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 22:42:50 UTC No. 16512050

>>16511911
I don't think anyone said anything about making threats or being combative. Simply that you should apply for other jobs and get offers as this is one of the very few ways employees can have any real leverage in salary negotiations. Obviously having basic social skills to understand the difference between negotiations and open threats is necessary.

If the existence of leverage on the employee side is zero or should not be brought up then it was never a negotiation and the question of how to argue the case for your pay raise is moot. Probably any raises were decided in a board meeting three months back and it does not matter what you say.

Your job is your livelihood and just like a business looks after its own interests it is up to you to defend yours. The business will seek to maximize their profits and you seek to maximize your compensation. This is the basis for a negotiation and, like any negotiation, should be polite and rational. If your management perceives this as a threat and meets it with hostility they do not, in my opinion, understand shit about business and are not someone I would personally work for.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:01:08 UTC No. 16512082

>>16511721
>>16511747
What exactly do you do as a researcher? Finding new methods to do stuff? Even if that's the case, isn't it usually very, very few people who find something actually new and groundbreaking? What do the rest of the researchers do? Collect info and data to no avail?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:06:50 UTC No. 16512100

When using the \begin{lstlistings} command in latex, is there any way to adjust the width of the text box inside? My code runs a bit wide at parts and it doesn't fit neatly into the page format.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:25:33 UTC No. 16512121

>>16512050
Anon the instant you tell your employer you've been applying for other jobs you are now considered already on your way out the door. It makes no difference how polite you are about it
Telling your employer that you are thinking about leaving is full retard, and if you don't actually even want to leave it is 150% retard

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:29:34 UTC No. 16512124

>>16512050
>Obviously having basic social skills to understand the difference between negotiations and open threats is necessary.

Obviously. That’s the point I was trying to make. Doing market research and presenting a theoretical value of your skillset and experience leaves a lot open to interpretation from management. Having stone cold offers in hand that show you could be doing better elsewhere leaves less for quibbling. That’s when they have to argue soft benefits like PTO and “company culture” and things like that. Pulling up some screenshots from Glassdoor or Indeed is just a half assed measure.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:32:25 UTC No. 16512127

>>16512121
My dude, how ignorant do you have to be to think management doesn’t know that it’s best performers are being stalked on LinkedIn and hit up by recruiters all the time? Your thinking is that of a shitter with less than 3 YOE in a dead end field.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:40:04 UTC No. 16512134

>>16512127
>how ignorant do you have to be to think management doesn’t know that it’s best performers are being stalked on LinkedIn and hit up by recruiters all the time
Who said anything about that? Of course they know. Just like they know you will leave if you are unhappy enough with their compensation

That is not the same thing as saying you are sticking your foot so deep in your mouth it comes out your ass to stick an offer letter in front of them and suggest they should match it

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:41:39 UTC No. 16512135

>>16512121
I do agree that you should not bring up competing offers without being prepared to actually accept them. I also agree that if you absolutely intend to leave then it doesn't make sense to bring it up until you have a firm offer in hand.

But I don't agree that looking for competing offers or using a competing offer as leverage in salary negotiations is a no-go. It is simply business. You either look after your own interests or you are a door mat. If my employer wants me to get the branding iron to assure them I'll never leave them even if they walk all over me then good-bye.

>>16512124
I don't disagree with these things.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:48:51 UTC No. 16512145

>>16512134
>>16512121

I guess I'm arguing on the assumption that if you get a better job offer you would be inclined to accept it. Whereas you seem to be arguing on the assumption that the end goal is to keep your current job no matter what, in which case I guess you will just have to accept whatever your employer throws at you.

Besides, the salary matches don't need to be absolute. You're probably not gonna bother moving to a new job for $1k more. Just like your employer is probably not gonna bother getting a new guy up to speed if they could pay them $1k less. But if there's a big mismatch between your current compensation and a new offer that's a different story.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 05:01:36 UTC No. 16512357

>>16493454
it's fun
technology gets more amazing every day

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:35:11 UTC No. 16512569

>>16512082
I'm guessing you're rather young. Very well.

>What exactly do you do as a researcher? Finding new methods to do stuff?
"Researcher" encompasses very different people so it varies massively, but in the broadest terms the goal is to expand the limits of human knowledge although this sounds overly grandiose. In practice, it means the problems you solve do not have a definite known answer when you set out. The problems can vary from mundane to esoteric and the target can be to just make some damn thing work. Methods obviously vary massively, academic pure mathematicians, social scientists and industrial engineering R&D staff will have very different day-to-day routines.


>Even if that's the case, isn't it usually very, very few people who find something actually new and groundbreaking?
Very, very few people in any field do anything groundbreaking, almost by definition of what is groundbreaking. Most researchers do something actually new, and indeed this is what sets research apart from most other fields. Despite the way things are portrayed, scientific and technological progress isn't usually driven by single individuals in a flash of genius, it is much more of a collective and long-term effort.

The biggest names in any research area have almost certainly not been in the lab for the last 10 or 20 years and present the work of their students and staff which they at best oversaw. When they are presented Prof. Sir Whatshisname as having done something like "developed the new generation of solar cells", it generally means people who worked for them were the latest in line of utilizing a material synthesized 70 years ago and first applied to solar cells 20 years ago by someone else, but did so with better efficiency this time so maybe one day it will be competitive with established solutions.


>What do the rest of the researchers do? Collect info and data to no avail?
It is a juvenile and weak mindset to think that you are either the ever or a loser.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:40:11 UTC No. 16512571

>>16512082
I'm guessing you're rather young. Very well.

>What exactly do you do as a researcher? Finding new methods to do stuff?
"Researcher" encompasses very different people so it varies massively, but in the broadest terms the goal is to expand the limits of human knowledge although this sounds overly grandiose. In practice, it means the problems you solve do not have a definite known answer when you set out. The problems can vary from mundane to esoteric and the target can be to just make some damn thing work. Academic pure mathematicians, social scientists and industrial engineering R&D staff will have very different day-to-day routines.


>Even if that's the case, isn't it usually very, very few people who find something actually new and groundbreaking?
Very, very few people in any field do anything groundbreaking, almost by definition of what is groundbreaking. Most researchers do something actually new, and indeed this is what sets research apart from most other fields. Despite the way things are portrayed, scientific and technological progress isn't usually driven by single individuals in a flash of genius, it is much more of a collective and long-term effort.

The biggest names in any research area have almost certainly not been in the lab for the last 10 or 20 years and present the work of their students and staff which they at best oversaw. When they present Prof. Sir Whatshisname as having done something like "developed the new generation of solar cells", it generally means people who worked for them were the latest in line of utilizing a material synthesized 70 years ago and first applied to solar cells 20 years ago by someone else, but did so with better efficiency this time so maybe one day it will be competitive with established solutions.


>What do the rest of the researchers do? Collect info and data to no avail?
It is a juvenile and weak mindset to think that you are either the best ever or a loser.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 13:07:55 UTC No. 16512611

>>16493949
They didn't get a Phd, thoughever.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 13:14:10 UTC No. 16512615

>>16512100
Ask Claude or chatgpt man, that's a great usage of llms

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 13:15:19 UTC No. 16512616

>>16512082
Good point why do anything if you can't be the very best at it.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 13:41:28 UTC No. 16512628

>20yo starting university
>will be 25 when I graduate
will employers care? My childhood was rough so I got 3 years delayed

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 14:03:54 UTC No. 16512632

is there a high ease of doing business as a PhD?

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 14:18:54 UTC No. 16512644

>>16512628
how old with a PhD?

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 14:26:11 UTC No. 16512650

>>16512571
Alright, thanks for explaining all that. But still, wouldn't a mechanical engineer, for example, that works for some company still need to improve products or even design new ones? How is that much different for doing research?

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:03:17 UTC No. 16512736

>>16512628
Is pure math a bad choice for job prospects or can I "get away with it"? Would I benefit from focusing on more applied classes if given the choice?
I fuck around with electronics and embedded programming in my free time so maybe that might turn out to be useful
Also I'll be 30 by the time I graduate, how fucked am I?

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:04:36 UTC No. 16512737

>>16512736
30 by the time you graduate with a PhD?
Not bad, you'll have a fairly good chance. Not optimal but still closer to the average

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:14:13 UTC No. 16512749

>>16512737
>PhD
lolno

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:36:01 UTC No. 16512776

>>16512736
if you go into engineering and you can easily start a career at 30

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:43:04 UTC No. 16512792

I am about to finish my bachelor in physics and I want to take a masters but I don't know about what.
Is hpc a good masters to take? I like computers but I feel like I would be competing against cs engineers who know much more about programming than I do. I also heard that in computer science masters are worthless and you need to have projects programmed on github instead to get hired. is this true?

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 17:52:37 UTC No. 16512862

>>16512134
So just be a disingenuous faggot and tow the corpo line? Yeah, nah. That means you are terrified of saying the thing that everyone else already knows.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 20:09:19 UTC No. 16513005

>>16511766
Don't negotiate for a higher salary that way; instead just move to someone offering a better deal. Money is far from everything, but rotten offers mean they do not appreciate you and that alone means you should not stay on.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 20:14:31 UTC No. 16513008

>>16512736
>Is pure math a bad choice for job prospects or can I "get away with it"?
My man, what kind of jobs do you think you can get with a pure maths degree?? Remember that the people interviewing you will ask questions about how your degree can be useful to them, and super abstract reasons will tank your prospects.
>Would I benefit from focusing on more applied classes if given the choice?
YES
>I fuck around with electronics and embedded programming in my free time so maybe that might turn out to be useful
Yes, definitely.
>Also I'll be 30 by the time I graduate, how fucked am I?
Not a problem, science is good that way. In the software industry you are normally considered radioactive waste when you turn 40, another reason not to study CS.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 20:35:46 UTC No. 16513050

>>16512650
I'm not an engineer, but I would assume that most engineers would apply existing solutions to solved problems rather than developing new solutions or tackling novel problems. I'm sure there's cases where there is novelty in the engineering work, at which point the division is not so clear. I guess there comes a point where the novelty of your solutions or problems is sufficiently interesting to stand on its own.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 01:23:42 UTC No. 16513296

>>16512650
Depends if you get a job that warrants it. With ME you could be designing shit like car engines or designing plumbing systems. You're probably not improving or designing a new type of plumbing system.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 09:38:49 UTC No. 16513617

>>16500153
>>16500504
DEI hires

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 14:44:07 UTC No. 16513779

I am a Chemistry student, currently about to finish my undergrad degree. I have the opportunity to do a research internship at a large national science institute, adjacent to my university that does research on energy science with three big divisions: energy storage Lithium/Post-Lithium batteries), fuel cells and photovaltaics) and I can pick one area.

Should I pick PV simply because it's close to semi-conductor electronics? I have already experience with fuel cells and batteries are interesting, especially the material science part of it but I feel like the skills I learned from PV would help me pivot to something else more to do with semiconductors and away from the classic energy stuff and broaden my opportunities a little bit.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 15:01:51 UTC No. 16513787

I have no computer science degree, but I wonder what kinds of projects would land me a job? I've already worked as programmer, currently not having job, where I live, there's literally not a single company, so I hope to get some remote. I would like to hear some project ideas I can finish and add to my portfolio, it's kinda empty now, because till now I had non disclosure agreement with my employer. I'm not payeet, and sites like freelancer or similar doesn't pay enough to live from, because I'm European. I've already did stuff with blockchain, GUI's, webservers, RTC... I need something fancy that'll satisfy recruiters eyes.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 18:27:52 UTC No. 16513916

Just a reminder to get out of the UK as soon as you get your degree:
>Workers in England more likely to be overqualified than global peers, finds OECD
https://archive.is/D1UC2
>Graduate numbers have also increased more rapidly in the UK than in peer economies, meaning the share of young adults with a degree is among the highest in the OECD, at 60 per cent.
And all of that translates to the poor pay we see.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 22:38:03 UTC No. 16514124

>>16513787
ML. Literally nothing else matters.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 22:49:45 UTC No. 16514131

Im a Civil Engineer major, junior. Plan was to get a job at a construction firm, but now Im realising im gonna be making a lot less money than my other engineering colleagues. Regret. Thinking about going into CS or CompE while I have time. They seem to be the best paying degrees after all.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 22:51:00 UTC No. 16514133

>>16513916
I don't think the UK salaries are just a result of too many grads, as the salaries for non-grad roles are also shit. I'm sure it doesn't help though. Basically everything that isn't laundering oligarch money in the City is poorly paid.

I moved to the UK in 2014 to study, and the way things have gone down the drain over the last decade is almost incomprehensible.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 00:23:53 UTC No. 16514208

>>16513916
And go where?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 02:28:15 UTC No. 16514298

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 03:00:36 UTC No. 16514326

>>16514298
What do people expect exactly?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 05:24:27 UTC No. 16514380

are code monkeys allowed itt

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 05:41:53 UTC No. 16514392

>>16514380
Assuming they are, I'm about to graduate with a CS major. Can do two more terms and get a math degree (switched to CS after noticing no jobs in math, so I'm a senior there currently). I work for USPS as a mailman, and they have to hire internally first (and can't hire H1B workers), so I kinda think I have a foot in the door to a really comfy govt union job that makes $100k/yr. I thought I'd want to do something more intellectually demanding with my life, but at this point I'm just so fucking exhausted.

I run a business on the side too and the USPS is permenant WFH w/ layoff protection, so I feel it's a nice asset to have overall in my life. The idea of having a permenant WFH union job with layoff protection while managing my e-comm business sounds amazing.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 05:45:52 UTC No. 16514393

>>16514392
>USPS foot in door
Sorry I should've included I intend to apply for code monkey roles there, which are available regularly.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 06:18:06 UTC No. 16514403

>>16514380
Why, this general is dead and you have your own entire general on /g/

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 06:23:15 UTC No. 16514404

>>16512792
HPC is not a bad career direction if you're doing physics and you like to program. It will really help if you can make some connections and get experience with HPC systems. I would look into the HPC resources at your institution and see if you can use them, do a project on them, talk to the people who run them, whatever. Also consider expanding into other common HPC areas like bioinformatics, molecular dynamics, whatever shit chemists/engineers do. The more people you know the better (especially people with grant moeny). I know a few physicists who are in bioinformatics now and it seems OK. There is also finance shit (quant, quant dev, risk analytics, and more) which can pay a lot if you can hack it.

I'm not sure about the masters specifically, that depends a lot on what university you're at. You could also get into HPC with a physics masters if you do computational work.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 06:39:19 UTC No. 16514416

>>16514403
oh ok, forgot about /g/. became a regular here during my math days. switching to CS has me banished now, despite the thread being 'dead'? I understand though, /g/ is probably less academic.

can u read my post and tell me what to do with my life though. I kinda wanna go for a masters or phd to feel fulfilled, but at the same time I know I'd hate it, I've always hated school. I'd enjoy being able to research what I want and getting paid for it. so I've had more fun getting into finance and options via investing.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 07:35:23 UTC No. 16514458

>>16514124
Where's ML now? I think models I can run locally aren't wroth the hustle... If I made some classifier that scan open neuro data, and e.g. classify from EEG/fMRI the group patient ware in said dataset, does it counts, or only LLMs are interesting now?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 08:13:57 UTC No. 16514488

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 08:54:38 UTC No. 16514512

>>16514458
Why are you asking him questions, what do you want? You want money it's there, regardless of field or even degree. I made $150k as a student last year selling fungus and working at USPS

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 10:46:52 UTC No. 16514609

>>16514512
How do I get a job selling fungus. Is it enough to have read mycelium running?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 15:22:47 UTC No. 16514743

>>16514392
>6 figure job
>WFH
you just came here to brag didn't you

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 16:02:03 UTC No. 16514785

Do you guys add your ex-coworkers and ex-bosses on Linkedin?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:21:06 UTC No. 16515045

>>16514133
>I don't think the UK salaries are just a result of too many grads, as the salaries for non-grad roles are also shit.
This is true, the problem is a ratehr medieval attitude by top management that consider their underlings as little more than serfs, and pay accordingly.
>I'm sure it doesn't help though. Basically everything that isn't laundering oligarch money in the City is poorly paid.
Also correct. Law, consulting and big finance is where the money is, and assumes an Oxbridge degree.
>I moved to the UK in 2014 to study, and the way things have gone down the drain over the last decade is almost incomprehensible.
I studied there earlier, and the dive towards the drain started early.

>>16514208
>And go where?
Anywhere else. The US seems to be shaping up, industrial base is growing and money is pouring in. I would avoid China, Russia, Sweden and Germany.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:23:45 UTC No. 16515050

>>16514326
>What do people expect exactly?
At this point in time, people expect Big Don to make a very calm call to Cisco and Intel. Within a minute of his tweeting this, the share values will plummet, and the boards will "reconsider" their options.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:29:24 UTC No. 16515057

>>16497009
does Princeton really have that much better reputation among mathfags? MIT is all about enginiggers.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:35:26 UTC No. 16515063

>>16513008
>In the software industry you are normally considered radioactive waste when you turn 40, another reason not to study CS.
why did you say "Yes, definitely." to the above question then?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:20:45 UTC No. 16515113

>>16515045
>The US seems to be shaping up, industrial base is growing and money is pouring in
Almost $40 trillion in debt.
The money is just pouring in.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:24:44 UTC No. 16515117

I did work from home for two years and it legitimately sucks. I’m glad to be back out in the field.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:33:01 UTC No. 16515122

>>16515063
Because it related to *electronics* and embedded programming. That is in fact a good combination.
Add some FPGA stuff and you are golden.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:51:01 UTC No. 16515139

>>16515113
Those are the very privileges that come with having the world reserve currency.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 22:35:57 UTC No. 16515188

Doomscrolling will not end for the UK
>UK private sector employment shrinks at fastest pace since 2021
https://archive.is/HmnFN
>The S&P Global flash UK purchasing managers’ employment index, a sub-index of the monthly PMI, dropped to 45.8 in December, down from 48.9 in the previous month and the lowest since January 2021.
>It was markedly below the 50 mark that indicates a majority of businesses reporting a lower headcount.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 23:05:55 UTC No. 16515229

>>16515139
Yeah I'm sure this is the end of history and perpetual deficit spending will never matter. Fool proof.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 23:11:00 UTC No. 16515232

>>16515229
All empires end in collapse, we just don't know when it will happen until things come crashing down around us, at which point the "experts" will exclaim they could see it coming.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 23:14:45 UTC No. 16515236

do azure certifications make you more employable?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 23:16:24 UTC No. 16515237

>>16514743
Well I don't have the job yet. But it'd sure be nice.

>>16514609
Grow fungus, and sell it.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 23:23:15 UTC No. 16515247

TFW no PhD on the way. I have been waiting for 5 months for a PhD. my prof says he's waiting for funding.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 23:58:50 UTC No. 16515270

>>16515247
Which subject are you getting a PhD in?

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Dec 2024 06:05:30 UTC No. 16515599

L<Advice
Going to finish BS Chem with 3.2 GPA. Have done 2 semesters of undergrad research. Can get good references from work and school. Can I get into a good PhD? My goal is to be a researcher for a while and then either stick with it or go back to industry with higher credentials and eventually work overseas.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:24:27 UTC No. 16515662

>2019
>do medical honours research year in an academic focused degree
>hate it
>do not utilize any of my contacts or references in a 5 years period
>2025
>having worked shit tier retail and basic office jobs ever since, almost zero experience in my field
>truthfully made zero effort to utilize my degree other than tutoring students on and off at the uni I studied via connections
is it over

I feel the only realistic options at this point are either go back to university and do a decent degree or beg my old contacts/supervisors to help me.

the degree I did is just a watered down medical degree (anatomy, physiology, pharmacology etc) with research stuff sprinkled in. I don't have the technical skills to get hired at a lab. Is it too late to try to get an internship somewhere? Haven't done nothing the whole time but definitely failed to do anything of significant value.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:25:08 UTC No. 16515751

>>16514392
>switched to CS after noticing no jobs in math
How does that help with getting a job? Neither teach practical skills, but math is at least a good baseline to teach yourself how to think and approach problems.
CS is too to an extent but I don't see how it helps at all with jobs if you program on the side and work on your own projects in either case (because CS programs are universally a joke)

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:43:31 UTC No. 16515768

>>16515247
what have you been doing while waiting?

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Dec 2024 13:11:27 UTC No. 16515816

>>16515768
working as a test engineer on the bench in a consultancy waiting for them to say they have no projects for me before they fire me.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Dec 2024 18:42:38 UTC No. 16516038

Sirs
I am having failed my midterm inspections.
I must obtain 90% on next inspection or I am requiring to return of my village in India. Is this real life?