🧵 destiny and statistics
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 23:29:06 UTC No. 16493459
Nothing is "truly" random, there are an infinite amount of interdependencies and variables, that if we could measure, we could use to make a proper prediction.
RNGs use algorithms, so in a way someone yelling a random number would be closer to a "true" random... Unless we have a set seed?
Studying statistics has really impacted my perspective on autonomy. I mean, I feel like I know nothing. Is God all-knowing because he's God or is he God because he is all-knowing?
All this is to say, are there mathematical concepts that favour destiny being a driving force in the universe? Sorry if this is the wrong board, I thought it'd be fine bc I saw a thread about ted on top.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 01:27:42 UTC No. 16493569
>>16493459
>Is God all-knowing because he's God or is he God because he is all-knowing?
Tautologies are tautological because they taught, but in the other sense.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 02:46:53 UTC No. 16493624
>>16493459
Randomness is contextual.
For example, a computer generating random numbers, for primatives without the ability to examine the machine's internal workings, for all intent and purpose the numbers would be random for them because they have no access to other varibles to predict them, no matter how smart they are.
Same thing for us with the universe. Whatever the varible, if we can find other varibles that have correlations with them, thus making them predictable, then they are not random anymore. If we can't, then they are.
For something to "truly" be random would mean we will never find any other varible in existence that might have correlation with it. That's something we can never know. So essentially we can never know if something is "truly" random.
raphael at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 08:25:35 UTC No. 16493876
>>16493459
the universe is random tho
>t. god
raphael at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 08:26:29 UTC No. 16493877
>>16493569
god chooses to be all knowing with his power
he can lift a rock thats infinitely heavy and not lift a rock thats heavy infinitely cuh it goes both ways
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 09:04:33 UTC No. 16493889
Your reasoning sounds like a debate in quantum physics whether the quantum systems are inherently random or if there are hidden variables.
We know that particles act like waves, that they are in multiple places at once, and they act in spooky ways that seems to tramsit information across distances in a way that is not consistent with hidden variables. Therefore reality is random at its very core.
As we live in large super entangled systems what we see is usually just average and boring as far as randomness goes, but fate deciding physical processes are still subject to pure randomness.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:09:45 UTC No. 16494167
>>16493459
"Randomness" is a matter of scale and information - at certain scales of size, energy, complexity, etc. we run into practical limitations of how much information about a system is even theoretically knowable (nevermind practically knowable), and it becomes necessary to describe behavior statistically.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 16:37:30 UTC No. 16494198
>>16493459
if everything was happening upside down and backwards, you would not perceive any of it as random. that should tell you something.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HwFF
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 06:25:38 UTC No. 16495936
>>16493459
>Nothing is "truly" random
Cool, the value of the first number is nothing, so if that value is "truly" random, then every other value that compounds should also be "truly" random. Great proof that reality is necessarily "truly" random, anon.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 06:50:07 UTC No. 16495951
>>16493459
Statistical probabilities exist due to not fully understood logic, even a 99.999999% chance is still random unless it's 100%. Just because we can't comprehend it doesn't mean it's rabdom so yes you are right OP nothing is truly random
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 07:31:29 UTC No. 16495992
>>16493876
If it is totally random, that just means it could have randomly become completely determinate at any point in the past.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 07:33:12 UTC No. 16495993
>>16493877
No, if all were made into the heavy rock, lift would lose all context when there is no above the rock, only the rock itself.