🧵 Dementia and IQ
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:21:06 UTC No. 16578625
I noticed from a young age, from the time I was around 8 to 11, that a lot of old people are really dumb. They often make mistakes and can't understand basic shit. I didn't know that the reason for this is because a lot of old people have this thing called dementia, often alzheimers. I also learned that dementia can be sped up by things like diabetes. Diabetes will make you lose your limbs and a lot of other bodily tissues, so why not your brian cells? I swear, a lot of people even in just their 60s have the intelligence of that of an 8-year-old. You can't explain shit to them, and their behavior is often very nasty and childish. How much does your IQ drop from even moderate dementia?
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:31:22 UTC No. 16578636
>>16578625
It seems they mostly lose the ability to hide their retardation.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:52:42 UTC No. 16578652
>>16578625
Diabetes, especially uncontrolled Type 2 diabetes, can accelerate dementia due to chronic inflammation, high blood sugar, and vascular damage in the brain. This can cause earlier onset and faster progression of cognitive decline For context, an IQ drop of 30 points could take someone from an average IQ of 100 (normal intelligence) to 70 (borderline intellectual disability). Dementia raises cortisol levels, which can damage the hippocampus (memory center). High cortisol also impairs glucose metabolism, worsening conditions like diabetes that further fuel dementia. Many dementia patients experience cardiovascular decline, as dementia often coexists with conditions like hypertension, atherosclerosis, and diabetes. Aging, high cortisol, and metabolic issues make people weaker and frailer.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:55:55 UTC No. 16578654
I know a bunch of old >60 people and none are dumb. Maybe some have difficulties with forming new memories or thinking outside the box when they face new challenges, but I don't see them as stupid. One of my coworkers is almost 60 and he's sharper than me, even though I am only 30, I feel slightly ashamed by this realization, though he is a very good friend of mine. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, never was, but I certainly am not the dullest either. Anyways, that coworker has a doctorate degree and has been a researcher in a difficult field in his previous life, so I don't feel so bad about it after all, he simply proves that you can be old and sharp.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 18:58:31 UTC No. 16578655
>>16578654
I know someone in his 70s who has a PhD in Physics, and he isn't showing any signs of cognitive decline, but there are plenty of people in their 60s who are already showing signs of dementia, like low intelligence. I don't know if they call it dementia yet, but some people in their 60s already seem a bit less intelligent than average.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:09:22 UTC No. 16578669
>>16578655
I suspect these people do experience cognitive decline, but their brains simply have more surface area and thus they are able to resist it way further than "normal" people. So subjectively they realize they are aging, but they are able to compensate for it anyways so the end result to others looks like nothing is happening.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:13:30 UTC No. 16578676
>>16578669
If someone with an IQ of 145 goes down to 115, most people won't be able to notice. He'll still seem like a pretty intelligent guy, being about as intelligent as the average engineer, and he'll still have tons of life experience and knowledge, so almost nobody would be able to tell a cognitive decline has happened.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:46:05 UTC No. 16578705
actually, since intelligence is how much future you can still imagine, old people who've accept they'll die soon are less smart
this is why academics tend to think more, they dont have to work so hard
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:56:37 UTC No. 16578715
>>16578625
I've noticed that as people get older they talk in circles. They repeat themselves and get stuck in loops all the time. It's frightening and I've even noticed it happening to myself. This happens as early as your 20s.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:00:42 UTC No. 16578721
>>16578715
>I've noticed that as people get older they talk in circles. They repeat themselves and get stuck in loops all the time.
Huh? Unless you're retarded, you should be gaining wisdom with age. If you go from doing multiple different jobs and going through multiple different social groups, you should pick up on a whole lot of shit and gain a ton of practical life experience and wisdom about society and how people work in general.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:35:22 UTC No. 16578763
>>16578721
Yup, my grandma's been like that the past 20 years.
Same thing with names. She basically corrects herself going through a list of like 5 names before getting it right —doesn't matter who it is. ....but then remembers the name of someone's neighbour she hasn't seen in 60 years.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Feb 2025 14:48:00 UTC No. 16581324
>>16578625
Im afraid Im gonna have alzheimers pretty early cuz I would hit myself in the head a lot during my teenage years
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Feb 2025 14:50:17 UTC No. 16581325
>>16578625
Well, it's typically first worlders, because while they are rich they are very soft and fragile, especially white people, very fragile race. The reason why is just being domesticated, eating foods which are more industrialized and modernized rather than natural and nutrient dense, this just builds weaker bodies that are more susceptible to aging. I think if people just lived a more healthy life you wouldn't get nuked by dementia.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:49:53 UTC No. 16581410
>>16578715
>>16578721
I worked one job with lots of older women and IDK if it's the same thing but topics and discussions was almost on a 2 week loop.
I was always a bit of a recluse so it made me question if this is how normies pass the time as it was my first job.
I can say I felt loved there if otherwise boring.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Feb 2025 16:05:45 UTC No. 16581431
>>16578636
This. Intelligent people are capable of adapting. It's easy to fake intelligence when there isn't enough to adapt to yet. Smart boomers figured out computers, the retarded ones didn't.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Feb 2025 17:41:05 UTC No. 16581610
>>16578625
the Demiurge laughs as the cattle breeds despite the horrors of existence
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Feb 2025 17:50:08 UTC No. 16581623
it comes down to neuroplasticity
If you keep making new connections in an academic or fast past role you will keep your cognitive function until you get actual alzheimer's eating holes in your brain. The catch is professions that need this kind of mental faculties get brain cancers at a significantly elevated rate compared to the non thinking population as a side effect of neuroplasticity.
You also don't need to get feeble into old age. Geriatric men who were weightlifter/body builders/do heavy labor in their youth maintain the muscle mass of an average 40 year old into their final years as they have so many recruited satellite cells that aging can't get them all
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Feb 2025 23:57:27 UTC No. 16581996
>>16581325
>very fragile race.
Literally the most dominant race due to being hyper intelligent, creative, and industrious. Life is pretty hard when you have to prepare for winter and live through the ice age.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 00:01:32 UTC No. 16582000
op thinks they wont be old someday. im 40 now and been on 4chan before it was actually 4chan, time flies and it fucking sucks.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 00:04:16 UTC No. 16582002
>>16581623
>Geriatric men who were weightlifter/body builders/do heavy labor in their youth maintain the muscle mass of an average 40 year old into their final years as they have so many recruited satellite cells that aging can't get them all
This is false. Lifting helps, but only a little. Even your bones will age and get weaker due to your body being unable to maintain their strength, even if they would've been super strong when you were younger and lifting very heavy weight. You can't escape aging, and your body is constantly rebuilding itself. And the thing with recruited satellite cells is complete bullshit.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 00:16:00 UTC No. 16582009
>>16581623
>Geriatric men who were weightlifter/body builders/do heavy labor in their youth maintain the muscle mass of an average 40 year old into their final years as they have so many recruited satellite cells that aging can't get them all
This is false. Lifting helps, but only a little. Even your bones will age and get weaker due to your body being unable to maintain their strength, even if they would've been super strong when you were younger and lifting very heavy weight. You can't escape aging, and your body is constantly rebuilding itself. And the thing with recruited satellite cells is complete bullshit. Your body does a worse job at producing new satellite cells and turning those cells into useful cells as you age, and your body is constantly tearing itself apart. You can't escape aging.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 00:52:49 UTC No. 16582034
>>16582009
I didn't say you'd stop aging but yes if you lift heavy you will keep your muscles. I trust my comparative anatomy professor and the slides from dissections in the studies he posted over you saying no you as you don't even seem to understand how muscles uses satellite cells in the first place.
You better lift heavy because you definitely don't have any brain matter to preserve
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 01:12:28 UTC No. 16582041
>>16582034
If you lift, a lot of satellite cells will turn to muscle cells, but your body isn't going to be producing as many satellite cells as you age, and you reach a maximum number of skeletal muscle cells your body is able to maintain at some point, and this number goes down with age. Your body is constantly replacing all its tissues, including your muscle tissue. As a natty, you will gain around 70 to 80% of all the muscle tissue your body is able to maintain after only 3 years of lifting. It takes longer for your connective tissues to build up and tear down, including your bones, but they also reach a point at which they will cease getting stronger and only get weaker. Even among a ton of former professional strength athletes and bodybuilders, when they start getting old, usually starting in their 60s, they stop using freeweights out of fear of hurting themselves, and they also stop doing low rep sets. They can't push their bodies as hard, but this also means they're getting inferior stimulus for their muscle tissue, connective tissue, and bones to get stronger, and the stimulus they do receive gets an inferior response from the body to get stronger, than what it would've when they were younger. If you're body suddenly becomes very bad at building up your bone tissue (getting old), it doesn't matter how much stimulus you give your bones to get stronger, your bones are still going to get brittle.
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 01:03:25 UTC No. 16584174
>>16578625
Don't get too comfy on your high horse. We all lose the race against father time sooner or later.