Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 15:21:04 UTC No. 16582555

>>16582551
who fucking knows

Anonymous at Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:55:42 UTC No. 16583724

>>16582551
technically yes

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 05:20:26 UTC No. 16584343

your memories might last, but YOU still die. its not like your consciousness jumps out from your biological body and goes into the machine.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 06:53:48 UTC No. 16584397

>>16582551
you have to slowly replace parts of your brain and brain stem with computer parts over time so your soul can integrate and transfer.

like a wooden ship that is 200 years old. its still the same ship but over time each board was replaced and repaired til the point it is something different now

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 06:57:24 UTC No. 16584399

>>16582551
no

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 07:00:39 UTC No. 16584401

>>16582551
No, as soon as you upload it, your data will compressed, optimized, and contextualized until there is really nothing left of (You) and all your data points are just integrated into a database of data points that have been formatted for ease of use by the system.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 08:34:46 UTC No. 16584452

>>16582551
Your model might be immortal, but would you be around to experience it? Likely no.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 08:40:06 UTC No. 16584455

>>16582551
No, but your copy might.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 10:04:46 UTC No. 16584522

>>16584343
yeah it does, when you clone your mindstate your future is in superposition between the only possible states, old body and new body, if old body still continues. if not you'll move to new body.
>>16584397
>you have to slowly replace parts of your brain and brain stem with computer parts over time so your soul can integrate and transfer.
that's even more idiotic. it's not over time, it's at once. the "transfer" is literally the data transfer lol. morons

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 10:05:46 UTC No. 16584523

>>16584452
>>16584455
cope

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 10:24:35 UTC No. 16584535

>>16584523
You can't "transfer" information, only copy it. You're the one coping.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 10:47:08 UTC No. 16584552

>>16584535
you can stop the system, copy the information, and restart the new system where you copied the information to. this message is an information transfer from my device to 4chan servers and then from their servers to your device.
you should consider you do not possess the hardware to comprehend the state of things. in which case you should defer to your betters.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 15:03:23 UTC No. 16584811

>>16584523
Nice

>>16584552
What decision procedure delegates your "life" to the bundle of information that labels itself "you"?

If you perfectly duplicate your information, even having a tiny variance would result in enough of "proof" why "you" wouldn't experience the duplicate.

Think of it this way, when you consider alternate behavior routes that could be exhibited in your life, those are "duplicates" of yourself. Except the reason you're not experiencing that route is because you chose a slightly different behavior. I can't experience my body going to the gym and playing video games in a way where both are experienced discretely yet performed simultaneously. Even if I tried it becomes a weird synthesis compromise of the two where I'm wearing a VR helmet while doing bench presses.

Duplicating yourself into a computer is a change in state automatically, from analog(a) to a digitally emulated analog(b), and then that duplicate is experiencing through the eyes of the computer...all basis as to why the current you on 4chan wouldn't follow it.

Even if you died the instant you were duplicated, it's very likely you will not be inside the computer suddenly.


However! The real question is, what would it take to convince yourself that your model is inside the computer? Even if you're not experiencing it.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 15:25:22 UTC No. 16584824

>>16584811
>digitally emulated analog
that's some weird strawman and I never implied such a thing. I personally don't think consciousness can be replicated in classical bits. there might be some quantum phenomena that's required to mediate consciousness in which case we're tied to analog hardware, like a human brain is.
>Even if you died the instant you were duplicated, it's very likely you will not be inside the computer suddenly.
that's another weird statement. again, "digital computer" shit argument aside, there are people who's whole body activity has been stopped and they were rebooted later after one hour maximum. it was still them. they have bits and pieces missing from their brain (surgery) and they're still them.
you are having a hard time dealing with what you are, for some reason you think you're not possible in more places at the same time. because primitive intuitive reasons. but that's not on me that's on you.
just because you cannot understand it doesn't mean it's not real. you're just having a hell of a time understanding and letting go of primitive intuition. many such cases (QM).
and the whole "you think it's you but it isn't" is pure brain rot. it's just a consequence of your brain failing to reconcile the result with your primitive intuition. that's not proof it's not possible. it's just a brain fart based on a wrong premise.
you should also maybe ask/try to understand instead of having an opinion on what will actually happen that's based on shit from your ass.
>Even if you're not experiencing it.
keeping your "computer" analogy, you would, in the computer. you're just confused because you're thinking of your unterminated instance on the outside, which makes for a fork in your experience. which road you take is an apparent coin flip from your first instance. because you'll both continue as your old instance and as new instance. but ideally you don't fork, you move.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 15:35:20 UTC No. 16584835

>>16584824 me
for example (You)'d have no clue you've been replaced with an identical clone of yourself last night while you are sleeping. the issue stems from what you think is (You). that will always result in dissonance considering the "moving in another body" idea.
>ok what if you move to another body, keep the data, new body experiences for 1 year and dies, and they make another you from the old data
it will be just like you had amnesia. you won't remember the 1 year you lost as experience.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 16:00:33 UTC No. 16584847

>>16584824
>which road you take is an apparent coin flip from your first instance. because you'll both continue as your old instance and as new instance. but ideally you don't fork, you move.
Babby played(read: watched) soma for the first time and now believes he understands the nature of how consciousness, one of the most elusive and abstract concepts, works and transfers itself across duplicate information bundles we call brains, bodies, life, self, other, etc

You're convincing yourself that consciousness plays by the rules of logic and reason as described by physics, quantum mechanics, and any other form of reason. You're assuming the way consciousness works follows your human way of logical reasoning. Why should life play by the rules that you can communicate and observe in?

>Weird strawman
Ok replace digitally emulated analog with "analog digital quantum brain duplication holder machine", my argument still stands. Why would you ever experience that duplicate?

>there might be some quantum phenomena that's required to mediate consciousness in which case we're tied to analog hardware, like a human brain is.
Why would quantum mechanics bear any influence on why life decided to experience you in its discrete appearance? Why am I not suddenly in your shoes when I wake up? Think of all 8 billion people on this planet waking up every day, how is it that consciousness doesn't get tangled up with other consciousnesses? How is it that consciousness decided to live inside of you..and stay with you? If getting consciousness wires mixed up was a rare opportunity, 8 billion people going to sleep and waking up day in and day out for years on end is a pretty decent sample size. What if you're experiencing all parallel universes simultaneously?

Any use of feeble human logic and concepts, no matter how sound it may seem, fails to comprehend and consider the nature of how consciousness works.

Yes even undermining my own arguments.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 16:26:24 UTC No. 16584864

>>16584847
Just in case I'm not coming across clearly
Consciousness is incredibly abstract and exists outside of our world of reason, logic, and concepts. Because of this, words themselves, and the grammar we use are inherently incapable of describing the nature of consciousness. In order to begin getting closer, we'd have to let go of everything we know --having a discussion with made up words, letters, sounds, concepts, and grammar. To a "logical outsider" the conversation would seem incomprehensible and ridiculous, full of logical fallacies and incorrect thinking and reasoning.
Because we've created such a strong social reality about the "strength" of scientific reasoning and deduction, we further perpetuate the world of differences (read the nonworld of human concepts), further separating ourselves from each other into our own bubbles.

If you read this and think "this guy is crazy and makes no sense, we're so far off topic and he's moving the goalpost way outside of the stadium" --consider why you're having that thought in the first place

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 16:28:10 UTC No. 16584865

>>16584847
>Babby played(read: watched) soma for the first time and now believes he understands the nature of how consciousness, one of the most elusive and abstract concepts, works and transfers itself across duplicate information bundles we call brains, bodies, life, self, other, etc
I played it recently after it was mentioned in the same context here, but they got it wrong. and never finished it, it was meh
>my argument still stands
it doesn't because you keep using digital. you don't know consciousness is possible in classical bits.
>Why would you ever experience that duplicate?
that's weird, why would you? what exactly makes you think you should? did you ever experience that? seems like a very weird thing to suppose, with no reason.
>Why am I not suddenly in your shoes when I wake up?
because that's not possible? why would you expect such idiotic thing? you keep implying fantasy things without proving they're even possible. you somehow think there's something separate from your brain that can move around.
>how is it that consciousness doesn't get tangled up with other consciousnesses
because it's tied to their bodies? you seem insane
>How is it that consciousness decided to live inside of you..and stay with you?
it didn't decide shit, it is your brain, only you have it, it's the collection of your experiences with your genes. you literally can't be anyone else but you. you are your path through life.
>What if you're experiencing all parallel universes simultaneously?
you're insane and this is not scientific.
>fails to comprehend and consider the nature of how consciousness works.
but yours doesn't for some magical reason.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 16:30:30 UTC No. 16584867

>>16584864
>exists outside of our world of reason
citation please
>Because of this
anything following that is bullshit
you are a legit low IQ idiot, stop talking to me.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 16:35:55 UTC No. 16584868

>>16582551
1) mechanism to store and retrieve memory hasnt been found yet, afaik. once we get that, we can simply plug in a ssd and store/retrieve memory.
2) we already know how to input information into the brain to a degree like images and simple geometric shapes through visual ques and even possible simple sounds, but again with respect to 1), we dont know how its stored and how its retrieved back

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 16:36:02 UTC No. 16584869

>>16584867
When you can explain how to describe a nonconcept through concepts come back here and pose an actual argument

>stop talking to me
Ow, the edge