Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:19:42 UTC No. 16583098

>>16583085
No MRI, blood test or genetic marker can prove that you are conscious.

Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:25:52 UTC No. 16583105

>>16583085
Autism is bullshit
Vaccine induced developmental disorder is real

Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:34:23 UTC No. 16583113

>>16583085
if it isn't simple it doesn't exist

Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:35:24 UTC No. 16583115

>>16583113 me
but quoted

Anonymous at Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:35:51 UTC No. 16583116

>>16583085
The landmark for autism is the very low or inability to analyze facial expression the lack of input of facial expression create the problems of social relationship on Autism.

Other signal of autism can be confused with depression, anxiety, childrenhood trauma or schizoid/schizophrenics.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 02:49:30 UTC No. 16584248

>>16583098
Based solipsism

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 04:07:08 UTC No. 16584292

>>16583085
fMRIs can.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 04:20:20 UTC No. 16584305

Correct, autism per se is not a real, ontological thing. However, treating it as such can be clinically useful because the symptoms associated with it can be treated with similar medications. I think people without congenital defects are using it to excuse their quirky behavior, even going so far as to commandeer an autism diagnosis because they think it makes them unique or something.
I have experience treating it though (the cluster of symptoms, at least). Drugs like Abilify and Risperidone show significant efficacy.
Same story with ADD. Is it 'real'? No. But the clinical definition is useful for diagnosis and treatment. But abused by many.

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 08:27:34 UTC No. 16584447

Was there a twin study in 2006 that showed a high correlation with autism? That was before the autism test standard was changed.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 08:29:00 UTC No. 16584448

>>16583085
>No MRI scan can "see" OP's faggotry
>No blood test confirms it
>No genetic marker definitively proves it
And yet you still suck cocks.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 08:29:58 UTC No. 16584449

Wasn't there a twin study in 2006 that showed a high correlation of autism? That was before the autism test standard was changed.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 10:02:23 UTC No. 16584519

>>16583085
I don't know if autism exists exactly as decribed. But I have something, I am definitly not normal.

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 10:08:39 UTC No. 16584525

>>16583105
So, if you change the name, it's no longer bullshit?

Anonymous at Thu, 13 Feb 2025 11:33:46 UTC No. 16584605

>>16583085
>No genetic marker definitively proves it.
>Filtered by non-Mendelian genetics

Lmao, still need a Punnett square nigga?

Anonymous at Fri, 14 Feb 2025 05:25:55 UTC No. 16585467

>>16584525
Yes.

Anonymous at Fri, 14 Feb 2025 22:17:18 UTC No. 16586086

>>16583098
>>16583105
>Vaccine induced developmental disorder is real
You would have to explain first why not everyone develops the same kind of symptoms from the vaccine.
>>16583116
>The landmark for autism is the very low or inability to analyze facial expression
Not universally found in autism and can't possibly hold up as a reasonable explanation for any more severe type of autistic disorder.
>>16584248
no, they can't.
>>16584305
>However, treating it as such can be clinically useful because the symptoms associated with it can be treated with similar medications
There are no medications for autism core symptoms.
>>16584605
>>Filtered by non-Mendelian genetics
Thousands of genes all with a minuscule impact implies that environmental factors become primary.

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 02:45:28 UTC No. 16586256

>>16586086
>There are no medications for autism core symptoms.
Alcohol literally cures it for a few hours but the side effects DO suck can't deny that.

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 14:23:28 UTC No. 16586668

>>16586086
>Thousands of genes all with a minuscule impact implies that environmental factors become primary
Bullshit. I performed RNA-seq and GWAS and showed you the 2549 differentially expressed genes, how are you still not convinced it's genetic???

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 14:38:02 UTC No. 16586679

>>16583085
Yeah kinda, its just braindamage from vaccine induced mercury poisoning.
A regular vaccine works this way
>take dead virus cells and squirt them into body, white bloodcells dont give a shit about these new arrivals because theyre not doing anything, add mercury or other poison to the shot so the body will see an adverse reaction and fight it, thinking the dead newly arrived cells are to blame. He will now remember their mugs and kill them if he sees them.
>Vaccine works as intended

But what about the mercury or other poison that caused the jumpstart? It should leave your body in theory but it doesnt, it is a heavy metal, think about gold panning, the heavy gold will acvumulate at the bottom and not be washed out with the oth silt. This happens in your body now with stuff that can cross the blood brain barrier.

Tl:dr
Autists have mercury poisoning in their brain, it can be avoided by avoiding vaxx and not eating stuff prohibited in the old testament, crustaceans n shit

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:07:32 UTC No. 16586866

>>16583085
autism is caused by goyslop and pharmaceuticals, when you start eating raw meat it disappears

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:38:08 UTC No. 16586899

>>16583085
I answer, then you help;
I don't have insight or competence in the relative sizes of various gifts. Behavioral psychology is a popular tool. They've got people believing in inadequate visualization that started as a prank until they spammed it along with confederate participation.
Yes. Incentives pop up as natural opportunities, and/or are a dark goal in the creation of opportunities.
Now help me.
My esoteric insights and the path thereof, are increasingly dependent on 'madness'. Society would label as schizophrenic tendencies. I see a mispriced opportunity. All the stuff is from true competence, rational understanding, and patience. Insight. Actively waiting. I can't ask Plebbit. Their narratives are groomed to drug companies. Same w/ counselor types.
Even if antipsychotics weren't nasty control behavior drugs, I depend on these insights for income and lifestyle.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."? I am overthinking some things to a bizarre level. Conspiracy type stuff where I seriously feel it in my gut, but overrule it with rational oversight. Still...

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:44:29 UTC No. 16586907

>>16586679
Just a quick Google search shows a ton of nuances like different kinds of mercury, half-life, mercury no longer being used in American childhood vaccines and in some countries mercury has never been used in vaccines and so on but you're going to accuse me of being a big Pharma shill for pointing them out.

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 18:11:22 UTC No. 16586932

Let's ride in the reality of 'autism' is the label they use for vaccine poisoning...

Ok cool. Now that would represent a portion of the whole of autism diagnosis.

We don't want to research statistics, can you give some understanding of entire autism diagnosis, poisoning cover upside, misfits who match diagnosis models, people who were taken in by the social media marketing/culture/communities to self diagnosed and to find a doctor...
?

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 18:16:39 UTC No. 16586938

>>16586907
It's usually projection. They will never ever meaningfully debate with you on that topic without immediately resorting to insults. Thimerosal has been discontinued in vaccines since the '90s, antivaxxers still claim to this day it's responsible for every single chronic ailment.
It clearly makes no sense. They still rehearse the exact same talking points that I've already heard 20 years ago and it can all be effectively traced back to three or four people.
Given that anti-vaxxers, since 2010, have become obsessed with autism, I've come to think that the anti-vax movement is an astroturfed, and likely federally-funded, disinfo campaign meant to manipulate the population into slowly accepting a soft-tier eugenics program with the intention of curating a population whose psychology is in line with business interests (overly concerned with following social rules, fake smiles, prioritizing work over everything else, high motivation to work long hours for little pay) You can read this against the autism symptoms (rigid behavior, not smiling, dismissive or ignorant of social rules) which are all subsumed under "social problems". What no one knows is that psychiatry considers the term "social integration" to be equivalent to the ability to work 100 %.

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 18:23:53 UTC No. 16586942

The narrative doesn't have to make perfect sense.
Normally people glance and follow. Then you got smart people who understand the leap of faith and the cause>>>truth/details
machiavellians above that

Anonymous at Sat, 15 Feb 2025 19:39:58 UTC No. 16587038

>>16583098
Cogito ergo sum

Anonymous at Sun, 16 Feb 2025 04:52:21 UTC No. 16587581

>>16586086
>There are no medications for autism core symptoms.
False, I take risperidone for autism symptoms and it works great.

Anonymous at Sun, 16 Feb 2025 09:55:29 UTC No. 16587714

>>16583085
it's literally just high dopamine lol

Anonymous at Sun, 16 Feb 2025 14:22:06 UTC No. 16587911

>>16583085
high correlation with unrelated physical traits such as birth cranium diameter and childhood heart murmur etc.

Anonymous at Sun, 16 Feb 2025 15:17:02 UTC No. 16587967

>>16587581
It's interesting that a drug known to cause what effectively amounts to frontal lobe dementia would fix your autism "symptoms". Risperidone can, among many other things, cause numbness, seizures, emotional flatness, cognitive decline and it's usually known to exacerbate autistic traits. In utero digestion of Risperidone and other anti-psychotics is also known to cause autism via its deleterious impact on brain development in human fetuses.
>high correlation with unrelated physical traits such as birth cranium diameter and childhood heart murmur etc.
1. Birth cranium diameter isn't associated with autism. Post-birth cranial growth is and even there I'm not sure whether or not the few studies have ever bothered to replicate their results or to subsample their group. Unfortunately, the ten percent of autistic kids being brain-damaged mutants skews the result for the other 90 % resulting in them being branded brain-damaged by association.
2. Many people with very different kinds of congenital disorders are given the diagnosis of autism. I'm sure their "autism" which involves often severe intellectual disability can be compared to a case of slight Asperger's.

Anonymous at Sun, 16 Feb 2025 18:07:36 UTC No. 16588160

>>16586086
>You would have to explain first why not everyone develops the same kind of symptoms from the vaccine.
So by your logic, Cigarettes don't cause cancer because some people don't get cancer after smoking for their whole life.

Anonymous at Sun, 16 Feb 2025 22:54:50 UTC No. 16588537

>>16588160
>So by your logic, Cigarettes don't cause cancer because some people don't get cancer after smoking for their whole life.
No, and I don't see why you would think that this was a good rebuttal or something worthy of being pointed out
.
1. Even mere statistical associations are lacking.
2. Mere probabilistic associations imply underlying mechanisms worthy of being studied. More importantly, similar to your cancer example, this means that such cases can and usally develop independently of exposure to some product X.
3. Cancer is physically real, hence testable, autism isn't physically real and only exists because of behavioral tests developed by psychologists in accordance with government policies.
(I ignore here the well-known issue that most anti-vaxxers are actually ignorant of the many actual side effects of vaccines and instead focus on chasing phantom associations)
4. Even accepting a statistical association, this would say nothing about the actual causal process which effectively leads us back to where we started. Even if we were to allow for a causal process actually triggered by vaccines (the evidence actually speaks against this), this would lead us to point 2, where we would end up concluding that only a small percentage of all autism cases (a problematic statement per point 3 because autism isn't a thing that can be tested independently of our conception of it) could be realistically explained that way.

Anonymous at Sun, 16 Feb 2025 22:59:43 UTC No. 16588538

test

Anonymous at Sun, 16 Feb 2025 23:02:43 UTC No. 16588540

So, it is unclear what anti-vaxxers are actually looking for. If they are looking for a causal process, the etiology, of autism then focusing all their efforts on vaccines while ignoring every other possible factor is naive and obtuse. In the end, all they would prove is that the person, the kid or whatever has been actually suffering from the after effects of some kind of brain inflammation due to vaccines which got falsely labelled as autism. Such a measure and only then would allow us to gauge the number of "autism cases" that are due to vaccines which, we can tell, can't be high relative to the proportion of what gets diagnosed with autism nowadays. (Anti-vaxxers are often keen to point out that they only mean "true autism" as if that had any actual meaning)

The whole antivax movement is a pretty retarded take and shows a lack of understanding even the most basic aspects of biology, mathematics and psychology. It is just moral outrage with some ulterior political goal.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 08:15:39 UTC No. 16588945

>>16588540
>shows a lack of understanding even the most basic aspects of biology
Well, at least they understand that injecting toxic crap is harmful. Unlike biologists.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 08:24:28 UTC No. 16588956

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Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 08:49:00 UTC No. 16588975

>>16588945
>Well, at least they understand that injecting toxic crap is harmful.
This whole anti-vax shtick, it's about you, isn't it?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 09:35:56 UTC No. 16589017

>>16588975
Why would you inject toxic crap into your body, anon?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 09:53:34 UTC No. 16589029

>>16583085
I would fucking bet on that fMRI can recognize autism without problems,...

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 10:13:49 UTC No. 16589049

>>16589029
>fMRI can recognize autism without problems
No, it can't and no such neurological tests are used to diagnose it.
It's not hard to realize that a behavioral test isn't a neurological one.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 10:16:32 UTC No. 16589051

>>16589049
You literally can see it on fMRI, it's not done because it'll be waste of money...

Do you really think that behaviour doesn't come from CNS?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 10:53:26 UTC No. 16589070

>>16589051
>You literally can see it on fMRI
No.
>Do you really think that behaviour doesn't come from CNS?
Yes, which is why I criticize the psychiatric establishment for inventing diagnoses without resting on actual neurobiological data.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:02:19 UTC No. 16589075

>>16589070
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3417/11/8/3636

So you don't believe behaviors are neurological, but you imply that they are not treating biological cause?

Like what? Is autism just gastrointestinal upset? I think not.

I believe it's neurological, but I also believe somebody gets autistic due to lack of love.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:12:29 UTC No. 16589089

https://www.thetransmitter.org/spectrum/autism-in-motion/

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:29:20 UTC No. 16589104

>>16589089
Because neurons... Well, once your dopamine circuitry is fucked up, it affect motor skills, because those are same kind of neurons.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:48:01 UTC No. 16589115

>>16589075
Paper starts with:
>Autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is a complex and degenerative neuro-developmental disorder
>degenerative
That goes right into the trash. If the japs can't get basic terminology right, why should I bother reading it?
>>16589089
The article begins by claiming that most "autistic" kids are clumsy whereas clinical reports up until the '00s have nearly ubiquitously claimed that infantile autism is characterized precisely by its lack of motor dysfunction. It then speculates on social difficulties being caused by motor difficulties while failing to account for the other two triads characterizing autism.
Case study:
>Macey will probably have these motor problems her entire life. They are a characteristic feature of her condition: She has an extra copy of a small stretch of DNA on chromosome 15, which causes a condition called dup15q syndrome. Like most children with the syndrome, Macey also has autism.
Literal brain damaged kid is introduced, then the article makes the claim, with no evidence whatsoever, that her motor difficulties could be generalized to all people given the autism label.

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:49:20 UTC No. 16589119

Which lets me, inevitably, to the next question: Why do you throw around papers when it's obvious that you haven't read nor understood them?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:49:59 UTC No. 16589120

>>16589115
Well, because it is complex degenerative neuro-developmental disorder.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:50:26 UTC No. 16589121

Which leads me, inevitably, to the next question: Why do you throw around papers when it's obvious that you haven't read nor understood them? It's very unfortunate that people have come to rely on such studies despite most of them being of poor quality and being prime examples of cargo cult science.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:25 UTC No. 16589122

>>16589120
>Well, because it is complex degenerative neuro-developmental disorder.
Please read up on the definition of a degenerative neurological disorder and maybe study some examples like Parkinson's disease while you're at it. This isn't something I will argue about.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:55:44 UTC No. 16589124

>>16589122
A type of disease in which cells of the central nervous system stop working or die.

Which seems true, because they don't "work" in autism.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:01:37 UTC No. 16589128

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4500507/

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:04:50 UTC No. 16589132

>>16589124
>A type of disease in which cells of the central nervous system stop working or die.
>Which seems true, because they don't "work" in autism.
By your logic, any mental illness, which are socially constructed, must be a neuro-degenerative disease. Simultaneously, you fail to account for the actual truth criterion which is a measurable breakdown in neurobiological functioning itself. This is testable. Neurodegenerative diseases also involves the continuous loss of neurons and the breakup of existing neuronal or brain matter.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:08:41 UTC No. 16589136

>>16589132
Yes, it also does in schizophrenia or depression. Some cortical regions shrinks.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:08:50 UTC No. 16589137

>>16586938
Pharma Schiller

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:12:11 UTC No. 16589139

>>16589128
>Study funded by autism speaks.
Problematic because I'm aware of several studies funded by them which turned out to be fraudulent.
>Study from 2010 which means that the original study was likely done in 2008
Where are the follow-ups?
>Figure 2 shows the actual distribution of brain overgrowth.
Minor differences, no subsampling done to isolate groups which could consistently demonstrate overgrowth. No discussion whether or not brain overgrowth is not linked to autistic severity which we would actually expect.
>Figure 4 shows that no brain of an "autistic" individual has been studied before the age of 3 whereas plenty of the control group has been.
Begging the question whether or not we're dealing here with the consequence of unsound statistical extrapolation.

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:14:28 UTC No. 16589141

>>16589136
>Yes, it also does in schizophrenia or depression. Some cortical regions shrinks.
Only after onset of depression or schizophrenia.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:15:27 UTC No. 16589145

>>16589139
I've read that it begginged overgrowth but then descent into being opposite. Maybe I can read and you can't.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:15:28 UTC No. 16589146

>>16589136
>Yes, it also does in schizophrenia or depression. Some cortical regions shrinks.
Only after onset of depression or schizophrenia. Likely caused by the meds too. Interestingly enough, I've found people weirdly obsessed with the biological nature of mental illness while they themselves never seem to realize the fact that by taking these drugs they are actually altering their brain chemistry.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:17:39 UTC No. 16589149

>>16589132
Every disease is a social construct. Of course you feel oppressed by the powerful authorities and everyone around you defining your cancer as an undesirable deviation from the norm just because at this particular place and time in history cancer is a minority physiological phenomenon that nevertheless just wants to survive like everything else but is discriminated against as if suffering and death of the host is bad per se. Keep fighting for social justice.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:18:43 UTC No. 16589151

>>16589145
The study does not allow anyone to draw that conclusion. It's a cheap run-of-the-mill paper with a clear goal and a methodology that essentially forced the desired results. It's probably a junk piece financed by a private donation by the NGO in order to propagandize to the outside that they don't squander that money on their board members.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:19:43 UTC No. 16589152

>>16589146
I'm arguing that it shrinks brain... Pills are part of problem... I know nobody's ever going to see untreated real schiz. But it's more complex than just pills. Even behaviour have effect on neurology. Especially behaviour of environment... Only thing you can do about it, and I am saying you should really, because this is real problem would examine healthy brain given risperidone for years.

B

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:26:12 UTC No. 16589162

So you'd rather have that dissease diagnosed by psychiatrist than radiologist? Because that's how you get healthy people taking risepro.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:29:40 UTC No. 16589168

>>16589149
Cancer is a measurable and real thing. In this sense, you could probably also claim that what we call depression is real because it involves abnormalities from the average of how all people act.
If that is true then there's no actual point in having to reduce
depression to claimed but never proven brain dysfunctions in order to maintain its truth.
Second point: Having introduced the notion of statistical abnormality means that any abnormality would be labelled a disease which clearly doesn't happen so we see that the notion of a disease does not actually depend on something being "abnormal". So, ye... It's pretty much all moral bullshit and society deciding what they want people to be like. People just don't want to admit that either in regards to themselves or others so they come up with these pointless studies.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:35:43 UTC No. 16589178

>>16589149
I'll give a dollar in the .jar of "They are being paid per prescription." I think it's one of the biggest problem in diagnosis. I sweden they've got different model of doctors being paid, and there it's one in 35000 is schizo... Then look at America's numbers.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:37:56 UTC No. 16589182

>>16589168
>that any abnormality would be labelled a disease which clearly doesn't happen
What's an example of an abnormality that isn't labelled as a disease that demonstrates that labelling is arbitrary?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:43:31 UTC No. 16589188

>>16589178
Quick Google search of prevalence of autism. Netherlands: 2.8% of children age 4-12. US: 1 in 36 children. So that's about the same prevalence while The Netherlands is very conservative in diagnosing and prescribing anything. Furthermore: In assume that Western countries use the same criteria for diagnosing.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:43:38 UTC No. 16589189

>>16589182
>What's an example of an abnormality that isn't labelled as a disease that demonstrates that labelling is arbitrary?
1. A counterexample is homosexuality.
2. A disease is, by definition, an abnormality that prevents the person from carrying out its normal day-to-day functioning. That's where the social construction kicks in.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:47:40 UTC No. 16589194

>>16589188
>Quick Google search of prevalence of autism. Netherlands: 2.8% of children age 4-12. US: 1 in 36 children. So that's about the same prevalence while The Netherlands is very conservative in diagnosing and prescribing anything.
Dutch autism services are subsidiaries of US-American corporations selling autism services so they're just as much financially incentivized to overdiagnose it.
>>16589178
Sweden has ADHD rates in the range of 10 % so I would not call that a conservative approach.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:49:56 UTC No. 16589198

>>16589189
Homosexuality is a dissease.

>>16589194
Really? Smart people like meth? I'm surprised.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:52:08 UTC No. 16589199

>>16589198
We're talking about rates in kids.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:54:00 UTC No. 16589203

>>16589199
Really? Maybe bringing kids to this game should also be mental disease.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:57:06 UTC No. 16589205

>>16589189
>homosexuality
That's a highly controversial example. Homosexuality is a deviation that's tolerated by some people in some places in some periods of history. Homosexuality is a possible detriment to survival and reproduction and can therefore be considered as a disease.

>A disease is, by definition, an abnormality that prevents the person from carrying out its normal day-to-day functioning.
There are far more criteria that define disease. For example: one can have a disease without yet suffering from the disease and vice versa one can suffer and not function normally without a disease. Following your logic you would see nothing wrong with the world turning homosexual and the human species going extinct because that would be the new normal for you.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:59:21 UTC No. 16589207

>>16589205
>For example: one can have a disease without yet suffering from the disease
Yes, because most notions of a disease depend on it being physically real.
>and vice versa one can suffer and not function normally without a disease.
Yes, mental illnesses belong in this category.
>Following your logic you would see nothing wrong with the world turning homosexual and the human species going extinct because that would be the new normal for you.
See my point.
>A disease is, by definition, an abnormality that prevents the person from carrying out its normal day-to-day functioning.
Obviously, the only reason homosexuality isn't considered a disorder at least is due to the issue that the Western order doesn't see getting and raising kids as an integral part of human functioning.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:09:31 UTC No. 16589210

>>16589194
>Dutch autism services are subsidiaries of US-American corporations selling autism services so they're just as much financially incentivized to overdiagnose it.
I've just googled how the standards for diagnosis are made and there are tons of different public organizations and professions involved not just a party that sells diagnostic services. By the way: wouldn't health insurance companies exercise pressure to keep diagnoses as low and mild as possible?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:13:52 UTC No. 16589212

>>16589210
No, insurance companies make more on treating stuff.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:15:55 UTC No. 16589214

>>16589207
>the Western order doesn't see X as an integral part of human functioning.
Many such cases. To clear up our differences: I don't disagree with social constructionism. I disagree with reducing all happenings in society such as diagnosis and treatments of disease to nothing but social constructionism.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:18:05 UTC No. 16589215

>>16589212
How does that work?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:23:31 UTC No. 16589218

>>16589210
>not just a party that sells diagnostic services
The diagnostic process is not generally carried out by those offering specific services designed for people having this or that label. Diagnosis is done in the context of psychiatric evaluation which is based on whatever the ICD or DSM says. The DSM committee has always been known to take lots of money from pharmaceutical companies so this really exacerbates the issue and doesn't solve it. That's the one reason why practically every single mental illness is being treated with drugs and not because it works.
>By the way: wouldn't health insurance companies exercise pressure to keep diagnoses as low and mild as possible?
I can't tell for the Netherlands but I will simply add the following anecdote. At least in the USA, it's generally understood that insurance companies want to pay as little as possible. If that is true, why is nothing done about the often enormous and unjustified bills that come with healthcare? Wouldn't insurance companies prevent that from happening? The answer is: No, and that is because insurance companies are, even though they want to safe money, also obligated to pay for services that have been legally codified as being covered by them. So, in this sense, it's not hard to imagine how insurance companies can be reprogrammed to benefit interest groups.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:44:42 UTC No. 16589230

>>16589215
https://pnhp.org/news/insurers-avoid-loss-ratio-limits-by-shifting-profits-to-provider-subsidiaries/

They get % of money that go trough.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:46:50 UTC No. 16589232

>>16589218
>The diagnostic process is not generally carried out by those offering specific services designed for people having this or that label.
>Diagnosis is done in the context of psychiatric evaluation
In The Netherlands psychiatrists are no longer involved in evaluation, diagnosis or treatment of mental disorders. The family physician will refer a patient with psychological problems to a psychologist or a psychotherapist. Only a few of all psychologists and psychotherapists are specialized in, qualified for and open to evaluating, diagnosing and treating autism.
Lately there have been contradicting incentives for diagnosing a mental disorder: on the one hand without diagnosis insurance won't cover further treatment. On the other hand a diagnosis locks a client into a specific treatment plan that doesn't necessarily suit the client's needs. So a diagnosis still ends up a difficult decision with all parties involved and not just the client and the psychologist or psychotherapist but also the family physician, teachers, parents and so on. Furthermore: psychologists and psychotherapists have a dislike of medicine and would rather not refer to a psychiatrist unless non-medical treatment has failed and the client is in trouble. So you see: diagnosing mental disorders like autism is more complicated than just making a quick buck.

>why is nothing done about the often enormous and unjustified bills that come with healthcare?
Good point in general. To be a little nitpicky though: they do cut back on health care but in the most inhumane ways. I'm afraid that prisoners get better quality food than patients because patients won't riot.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 13:59:02 UTC No. 16589234

>>16589232
>netherlands
Was there during my homeless journey.
>hungry af
I proceeded to shoplift in grocery store.
>Security tried to stop me
Tossed a free coffee for everybody in shop on his face
>Got arrested
Psychologist told me I'm going to hospital
>Diagnosed me with schiz, sending me to my country of origin to collect social welfare

But the thing is, that they've told me, I should be 3months on Haloperidol and then they'll quit giving it to me. But in country of origin, I'm taking AP's for 7 years after that.

It's because Netherlands thinks, that e.g. Invega Sustena is to inject to patient with psychosis, and then after time they reevaluate that decision, and give it if psychosis is still present. In my country of origin, you have to take it for lifetime if it's once prescribed to you.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 14:05:33 UTC No. 16589239

>>16589230
>https://pnhp.org/news/insurers-avoid-loss-ratio-limits-by-shifting-profits-to-provider-subsidiaries/
Just another example of how the system gets corrupted by a lack of checks and balances but there doesn't appear to be a feedback loop. The provider gets paid by the insurer so money flows from the right to the left pocket but then the money goes out of the pocket because the provider needs to pay salary, equipment and logistics. The amount of money in the provider-insurer combo can only increase when non-insured patients pay more and when the price of insurance is raised. So how is the health care consumer motivated to pay more for services? Perhaps medicalization of mental disorders does make a lot people happy just like recreational drugs. Is that a problem?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 14:10:57 UTC No. 16589240

>>16589239
I always tell faggots to get crystal meth on street like real man beings when it comes to this.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 14:53:32 UTC No. 16589257

>>16584305
The etiology of psychological maladies is pretty challenging to pin down. I think autism is a "real" disorder with a complex, polygenic component that is heavily-influenced by the environment. I think that once someone reaches a certain threshold genetically, they exhibit clinically-significant symptoms of the disorder. Up until that point, they may exhibit some behaviors and mental processes typical of autism, but fail to hit diagnostic criteria because it has yet to become maladaptive. I believe this also explains the variation in symptoms - two individuals with autism might have most of the core genes, but vary in a few and so don't perfectly mirror each other. It's also important to consider how someone is raised - someone raised by an autistic parent might not be autistic, but they definitely have genes for it and being raised in that environment is likely to predispose them to adopting certain autistic behaviors. This could, theoretically, do the extra work that the genes don't quite reach and push them into being considered, clinically, autistic.

I also think - and this is entirely unsubstantiated by evidence - that autism, ADD, and a few other developmental neurological disorders share genes and exist together on a much larger spectrum. There are a lot of people who have ADD comorbid with autism and a lot of people with Tourette Syndrome who have comorbid ADD. It could very well be separate factors from each of these disorders that contributes to periphery symptoms that resemble ADD, however.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 15:00:02 UTC No. 16589267

Do you really think that somebody given risperidon, need to have some symptoms for treatment to be effective?

In my shithole country there's even diagnosis like symptomless schizophrenia.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 20:06:09 UTC No. 16589486

>>16588540
I bet vaccinations are basically just zoonotic cross contaminated mold/fungal infections that are then injected into people, leading to all sorts of mischief for the victims, and all sorts of 'lol, yay more money now' for those promoting the vax campaign

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 20:14:17 UTC No. 16589494

>>16589486
Honestly, I'm not even disinclined to believe in a connection between vaccines and some cases that get diagnosed as autism. I myself had to deal with an obviously brain-damaged person who couldn't walk straight, severelly mentally retarded and blind in one eye. She was diagnosed with autism. Her symptoms all appeared after she went through a severe catatonic epileptic fit when she was one-and-a-half years old. It fits more or less perfectly with when the second shot in the vaccine schedules are administering, leading the autoimmune system to overreact, causing it to attack the body.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 21:32:55 UTC No. 16589566

If vaccines don't cause autism, then the distribution of time span between the last jab and autism diagnosis has to be uniform. So all it would take to debunk anti-vaxxers is to release this data and let the whole world to see. Why won't they do that?

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 21:49:03 UTC No. 16589573

>>16586938
Vaccine-damaged autist.

Anonymous at Mon, 17 Feb 2025 21:50:03 UTC No. 16589575

>>16589566
>If vaccines don't cause autism, then the distribution of time span between the last jab and autism diagnosis has to be uniform.
No, it wouldn't have. If the "disease" by definition must have an onset by the age of 3 to 6 and when most vaccines are administered at around the same time, what implication do you draw from that? The only realistic way to test for vaccine causality is to take identical twins and vaccinate one and not the other.

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Feb 2025 01:56:53 UTC No. 16589766

>>16589115
>>16589121
Multiple papers found biomarkers for autism. One that stands out designed a simple experiment. Touch a dot on a screen. Plot the velocity profile of the hand. Normies had gaussian data. Aspies had bumpy data. Poor Neuro control was the biomarker. Look it up.

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Feb 2025 02:01:15 UTC No. 16589772

>>16586086
>Thousands of genes all with a minuscule impact implies that environmental factors become primary.
So skin color is also environmental? Or do you mean something else when talking about thousands of genes, each with miniscule impacts?

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Feb 2025 02:03:26 UTC No. 16589773

>>16589766
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-18902-w

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Feb 2025 14:02:37 UTC No. 16590188

>>16589766
>Multiple papers found biomarkers for autism
If you don't have a consistent biomarker for the entire sample, they don't count. All it proves is that it's not a coherent category which is obvious to anyone who has ever bothered to look at what gets diagnosed as such and such.
The paper begins with:
>Neurodevelopment involves the structural growth and functional maturation of the central nervous system. Humans develop a variety of brain functions through this process such as learning ability, memory, and psychomotor skills. Abnormalities during this process, either due to genetic or environmental factors, can lead to a series of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDD),
In other words, the paper already anticipates results it has actually yet to prove. The problem? It skews methodology and predisposes researchers to biased reasoning.
Going further:
>Information about three representative ASD subjects with their psychiatric test scores.
Pathetic sample size. Cognitive abilities of the test subjects.
IQ Vineland ADOS
>ASD Case 1 N/A 19 20
ASD Case 2 71 34 12
ASD Case 3 99 107 10

Case 1 is severelly mentally retarded, looking at the data it appears Case 1 did not understand the test set-up at all. Case 2 is borderline retarded and performs on the Vineland measure on the level of a patient with advanced Alzheimer's disease, Case 3 is more normal, but has been found to suffer from the same severe motor dysfunction? Could be possible that other candidates were tested, but their results never published because it would not fit the paper's goal.

Anonymous at Tue, 18 Feb 2025 14:04:03 UTC No. 16590190

Also no follow-up studies

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 01:56:48 UTC No. 16594295

>retardation = intellectually retarded.
>psychopathy = emotionally retarded.
>autism = socially retarded.
prove me wrong

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 02:32:36 UTC No. 16594336

>>16587038
That's cogito ergo sum, not cogitamus ergo sumus. We have no idea whether other people are conscious

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 02:45:50 UTC No. 16594347

>>16590188
Tell us more about how many nature publications you have. If only you were there to referee the paper maybe it wouldn't have gotten published! A true expert in the field, are you?

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:43:47 UTC No. 16594680

>>16594347
A sample size of three isn't representative and pinning down a severe developmental disabilities to people being unable to use a touchscreen is kind of a stretch.
More importantly, the paper makes the mistake of assuming that, because the diagnosis exists, there must be a common biological element shared by all these people which is biased reasoning and likely influenced end results due to the chosen methodological approach.

The article also fails to mention how it procured its test subjects. Given that only three made it into the study, I'm inclined to believe that many more for rejected. Biased sampling is an endemic problem in medical sciences.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:45:57 UTC No. 16594684

>>16583085
Metabolic + Information loaded into neurons over time

Schizophrenia, autism are both very similar problems

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:47:16 UTC No. 16594685

>>16584449
Bro fuck a twin study my entire family is autistic I may as well be the worlds leading expert on high IQ tism

Cant speak for the dummy kind

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:49:17 UTC No. 16594687

>>16594680
Are you fucking retarded? There's an entire methods section you dumb mongrel.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:54:41 UTC No. 16594694

>methods section shows many more than three participants
>graph shown with three representative patients
>mongrel interprets it as sample size of three (methods shows much higher sample size)
>mongrel demands more information in methods, despite not reading it
>dismissed a NATURE article because he didn't even read it all
>what little he did read, he misunderstood
You're irredeemably retarded

🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 12:55:32 UTC No. 16594732

>>16594687
Can you read? The methods section is irrelevant to my point here. Even if I were to assume that the methodology is sound, what am I to do with a sample size of three people?

Believing that the end results are going to magically apply to millions of people because of a made-up diagnosis? That being sucky at and exhibiting non-Gaussian probability distribution when using touchscreens is a valid biomarker when there are no follow-up studies either?

It's cargo cult science. The sampling is likely biased by, what I assume, must have been an exclusion of candidates who do not perform in accordance with the desired goal per pre-selection criteria, the methodology is also geared towards achieving the desired end results and the study is headed by a Chinese scientist coming from a Chinese university, a country known for poor methodological approaches and rampant academic fraud.

By your reasoning, I would have to believe that the Covid vaccines are a 100 % safe because the pharmaceutical companies authoring the studies have said so. By your reasoning, I would have to accept that Alzheimer's is caused by amyloid plague build-up despite the authors admitting that their initial studies were faked and only meant to push drugs on the elderly.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 13:06:14 UTC No. 16594739

>>16594694
Regardless of my failure to properly gauge the sample size, it still remains cargo cult science.
Yes, I was wrong in believing that only three people were involved in the study. However, upon looking at the data, the sample size I found was not particularly impressive either.
More importantly, please read the following part:
>Our R-parameter is modestly correlated (negative) with ASD severity level in the spectrum. The p-values for the correlation between R-parameter and ADI-R sum score were slightly above 0.05 (below 0.05 when we exclude the outlier subject). We didn’t find, however, a direct correlation between our R parameter and the ADOS score.
ADI-R scores correlate with R-parameter, the ADOS score don't. Both are used to diagnose autism. Makes sense?
Additionally:
>We found that in the R-space the 6 subjects labeled high-functioning were clearly separated from the remaining 5 subjects that were labeled low-functioning (Fig. 6D). This result provides added evidence about the independent reliability of using the R-parameter classification.
I don't think this is a smoking gun.
>The biomarker enables a precise and robust characterization of individualized neurodevelopment.
So, rather what the paper found that the degree of developmental disability correlates with the R-parameter. In other words, stupid kids do suck at using the touchscreen which I don't consider a particularly noteworthy finding.

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Feb 2025 13:13:13 UTC No. 16594744

>>16594694
Also, it's obvious you nitpicked a clearly non-representative study to defend whatever argument it was that you were trying to make. I've forgotten which one it was. Probably that one.
>Multiple papers found biomarkers for autism.
>Aspies had bumpy data. Poor Neuro control was the biomarker
2/3 of the study participants were low-functioning autistics so calling them "aspies" is quite a stretch. Maybe, I didn't care to read that too but did the study actually bother to control for co-morbidities or for other factors that could skew results?
More generally, few if any of these biomarkers seem to be reproduced in subsequent studies and none have made it to any clinical relevance.

Anonymous at Sat, 22 Feb 2025 03:17:11 UTC No. 16595887

>>16594739
>>16594744
Sound the seething autist.

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 22 Feb 2025 11:52:19 UTC No. 16596240

>>16587038
This has been debunked.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:20:40 UTC No. 16598075

>>16589267
>symptomless schizophrenia
I'm in remission.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:25:42 UTC No. 16598078

>see teenage sperg I saw last week shrieking bloody murder in an Applebees because the waiter brought them the wrong coke
>”clearly it’s just a meme”