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Anonymous No. 16601204

When did you realise that science is just applied statistics?

Anonymous No. 16601212

>>16601204
When did you realize that applied statistics is a kind of geometry?

Anonymous No. 16601261

>>16601212
When did you realize that geometry is just applied Platonism?

Anonymous No. 16601286

>>16601204
>>16601212
>>16601261
its all meta applied physics

Anonymous No. 16601291

It’s simpler than that. Science is literally just processes. Shit Happens. It’s not just a method to apply/employ, it’s very much the ‘music of the spheres’ situation where it will continue to play with or without ears to listen in on.

Science is as simple as repeatability, reproducibility, and all the nuances in between (not everything repeatable will reproduce the same result—and some things may only happen once).

There is -nothing- simpler. Stuff Runs.

Anonymous No. 16601301

>>16601204
science isnt statistics, not in general, its very true in special cases like medicine. I heard doctors say that medical science isnt about logic but about statistics, they just do a lot of observations and see what works, the body is so comples than trying to reason causes and effects in that context often doesnt works, logic is just self delusion, observations are real.

Anonymous No. 16601306

>>16601291
>and some things may only happen once
We will never be able to reproduce the Big Bang bros
.

Anonymous No. 16601309

>>16601291
>>16601301
The jokes made in the previous posts are flying completely over your heads. Look: the process of adapting a model to reality involves figuring out how one and the other are related and mathematics is a useful tool to visualize the structure of such relationships with symbols and shapes to as if to demonstrate how de demiurge has ordered the universe.

Anonymous No. 16601584

>>16601309
Ok

Anonymous No. 16601683

In science, 'theory' is pretty damn solid,
it's like a nuclear-powered supercarrier,
almost impossible to sink. To become a theory, it has to:

1) explain all observed phenomena

2) predict new phenomena

3) the predicted new phenomena has then been verified by testing

A 'theory' does all of (1)+(2)+(3), while 'hypothesis' is just (1)+(2).

The layman's use of the word 'theory', even in the best case, is about the same as the scientist's 'hypothesis'.
In most everyday use it is just (1), and often fails even that.

Anonymous No. 16601697

>>16601204
It isn't. You're an idiot.

Anonymous No. 16601713

>>16601683
This is an undergraduate arts student's understanding of science. Reality is not that simple. The term theory gets thrown around for anything and everything. The way science actually works involves a lot more intuition and random bullshit and a lot less structure than people think.

Anonymous No. 16601778

>>16601286
Applied metaphysics or meta applied physics?

Mathematics is not downstream of physics in any capacity.

Anonymous No. 16601787

>>16601204
When I was reading about Hume and the fact that all science, knowledge and human experience is inductive

Anonymous No. 16601896

>>16601291
Yep. Science is literally ‘fuck around, find out’, but pretentious science fags want it to be more speshul than that, even when there is nothing more special than perfect simplicity.

“If you can’t explain it simply enough, you don’t know it well enough”
“Things should be as simple as possible, but not simpler”
- Einstein and such

Anonymous No. 16601899

>>16601204
When I learned what p-values are. Science is also just applied consensus.

Anonymous No. 16601907

>>16601896
FAFO still requires statistics unless its very reproducible and you get the same result every time. For weak effects you need large samples and statistics.

Anonymous No. 16601918

>>16601907
Doesn’t matter. At some point you can break everything down into perfect simplicity. Like how all religion leads back to simple artistic ignorance. Complexities of faith are irrelevant.

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Anonymous No. 16601919

>>16601896
>‘fuck around, find out’
= (cor)relating, proportioning, structuring = mathematics. Let's fuck around and find out with water, shall we? Oh hey it's liquid at room temperature, solid when we cool it down and it becomes gas when we heat it up! Oh wow so that's how phase and temperature are (cor)related! We can even visualize it kinda like a triangle dude! Oh fuck it's every time too? Every time anyone on Earth heats water the water evaporates? Statistically speaking that's 100% correlation like it's causation man! Anyway fuck it let's try it both on sea level and on top of a mountain. Whaddayaknow different boiling points so there's relationships with pressure as well?

If only we didn't need to use so many clumsy words to describe all these fuck around and find out findings y'know. If only we could summarize, condense, visualize all the information in a neat little package to see how it all fits together by just look at it with a quick glance. Imagine instead of a wall of text we could describe the universe with only a few symbols, graphs and topology.
>Like mathematics?
>Noooo the universe is not mathematics it's fuck around find out scientific method hypotheses testing theory updating reeeeeeeeee!

Anonymous No. 16601934

>>16601919
a lot of things in medicine cant be described with symbols or explained with logic, they are just lists of things that happen. Medicine is infamous for having gigantic amounts of factoids and no coherent narrative to explain them

Anonymous No. 16601940

>>16601934
Help me understand because my model of medicine is like this:
>List of norm values
>Blood tests and imagery of sick patients demonstrate deviations from norm values
>Treatment brings deviations back to norm values and patient feels better
Seems like simple bookkeeping to me. The underlying theory is like this: body is a bunch of feedback loops where A stimulates B and B stimulates C but stimulating C causes inhibition of D and inhibition of D facilitates E and simultaneously inhibits F now the patient is sick because too much inhibited F so A must be inhibited but that causes too much inhibited B so maybe we should accept that as a side effect or choose to intervene at D but then...
...fuck it it's too complicated the patient has inflammation so pump the patient full of immunosuppressants. Case closed. Next.

Where am I wrong?

Anonymous No. 16601945

>>16601919
Mathematics is the purest science of all. Some say it’s too pure to be a science. I think both suffice.

“One plus one always equals two”
“Okay show me your theory for that”
“What?”
“What?”

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Anonymous No. 16601962

>>16601945
That's not a unique problem with mathematics but with all language. All reason starts from axioms. Besides there's the structuralist versus essentialist debate. How can a biologist prove that a cat is a cat? Is it not a cat anymore when we cut its tail, whiskers and legs? That's sophistry. The fundament of all knowledge is very simple: even before any thoughts arise there are shapes and colors and sounds and all the rest. There are things to discern, this, that and the other. Next we put words on these discernments: this = boob, that = cat, such = Firefox and so on. Now we have our axioms. The next step in knowing is how the things we have discerned and labeled are related to eachother. That's all we're doing all day every day: discerning things, measuring things, comparing measurements of things. We are all born mathematicians. Ask a woman and she'll tell you exactly the status of everyone in her social circle. That's her way of doing mathematics. Ask a biology about the functioning of an ecosystem: the word system should already reveal to you that the biologist way of understanding how all life forms relate to eachother is again another form of mathematics. All is mathematics.

Anonymous No. 16601971

>>16601962
That cat is going to suffocate

Anonymous No. 16602045

>>16601697
Very informative and scientific. I guess you like the idea of over9000 genders

Anonymous No. 16602182

>>16601940
>Blood tests and imagery of sick patients
Doesnt serve to diagnose most ailments. Why blood? Just because its easy to draw some? Some science!
>>16601940
>Treatment brings deviations
Except you are only treating some symptom.
Pseudo logc (delusion) is leading you astray. Too complex for anyone to understand. Too hard to see whats actually happening to a patient (blood test lmao).
The body cannot be understood with a model, you just have to remember 6 billion independent facts.

Anonymous No. 16602200

>>16602182
I've described how medicine is currently practiced. You're describing that current practice of medicine is not adequate. There's no disagreement. The bigger picture is that all work is "management" now. All management is about closing the gap between the actual and the ideal in a measurable way. If you don't like this approach then you must propose an alternative that is more efficient and effective so that your alternative outcompetes the status quo. As long as you can't you will see that all jobs will become increasingly mathematical.

Anonymous No. 16603091

>>16601962
Cool picture, I remember good old days

Anonymous No. 16604004

>>16601919
>Noooo the universe is not mathematics it's fuck around find out
It’s both, though? Things run, things progress, everything is/has a process to it, and you absolutely cannot separate math from this. Even an absolute nothing—a zero—is a one by such a point. Math goes along with *anything*. It’s the *shape* things take. There will always be quantification. The idea that everything is math suffices.

Anonymous No. 16604027

>>16604004
It seems to me that most people even the more intelligent and competent ones don't build a structure in their head of how everything and everyone relates to eachother. The result is:
>the operation was successful but the patient died.

Anonymous No. 16604124

>>16601212
What? No

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Anonymous No. 16604137

>>16604124
>What? No
Yes Luke. The stock market has been analyzed with fractals. Biological structures? Fractals. Coastal geography? Fractals. Weather and climate patterns? Fractals. Now join the Triforce Luke.

bodhi No. 16604139

>>16601204
I have told you hack psueds this for a decade

Anonymous No. 16604485

>>16601204
Statistics is just nothing but extending science to cope with uncertainty.

Anonymous No. 16604492

>>16604485
Or science is a contraction to feign certainty.

Anonymous No. 16605061

>>16604027
Yeah. “It’s math!” “No, it’s science!” “ackchually, itsh all the same thing...”.

I never understood why mathematicians and physicists don’t get along, when both are incorporating the other.

Anonymous No. 16605063

>>16605061
Scientists are the biggest and most pretentious and most chin raising snobs imaginable, even to their own. You think execution by sword is bad? Watch your entire life be written away by a pen.

Anonymous No. 16605067

>>16601204
Got told first. "Math isn't useful until it is."
Thennnnn had to reach that wittle tiny truth for myself

Anonymous No. 16605318

>>16605067
Math will always be useful. It’s magic that will always exist. It’s like divination, but a lot more specific. It will predict how well a house can be built, etc.

Anonymous No. 16605345

>>16605318
>It’s like divination, but a lot more specific.
That's exactly the problem that will make autists and schizos yell at eachother in many more threads to come. Is it ontologically and epistemologically possible to develop a mathematics that is indiscernible from unconditional precognition?

Anonymous No. 16605437

>>16601204
Science is applied statistics.
Statistics is applied maths.
Maths is applied logic.
Logic is applied philosophy.

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Anonymous No. 16605500

>>16605437
Yep, it all loops around.

Philosophy/psychology is applied biology which is applied chemistry which is applied physics which is applied philosophy/psychology. The mind they pokes at nature is first formed by nature.

Metaphysics is just mega physics. Math goes along with everything. Inseparable.

>>16605318
It’s the same with magic and religion. It’s all just a product of the mind’s eye. It is all exposure logic. A black box that is white within—there is no bigger black box than the deep black abyss that is space/life.

There is only one set of Truths out there. Everything else is not that, or a product of ignorance, the imagination, religion, etc.

It’s scary to see ignorance outnumbering Truth. You can interpret stars in any way you wish, like the ancients did, forming faith.

Science—natural philosophy—at least *aims* to be honest, and not dishonest like theistic philosophy: where faith is seen as equal to truth (a paradox).

Only faith in the Truth has truth, as faith does not require truth.

I find phrases like “it’s magic! we cannot explain it!” ironic when science is, in theory, Truth. So how is empirical science not True magic? The Truth to it? I don’t consider magic (“magic”) to be purely a matter of ignorance, since there is still wonder (not the “I wonder
” wonder) in knowing a thing for True. To appreciate. “It’s wonderful!”. A chemist is in his right to see chemistry as magic.

But, I still concede that, if mystery and wonder (“I wonder
”), horror or dissent, etc, lead up to “magic”, then ignorance is the greatest magic of all, and ignorance is surely a form of art.

The universe—existence itself—is both a stage and a magician. What do physicists say when they confront something new?

— “Hmm, that’s weird, I wonder how it did that
” Does this not sound familiar?

Physicists are not only in denial about philosophy, they are in denial about the magic/mystery all around them.

Anonymous No. 16605507

>>16605500
>the mind they pokes at
the mind that* pokes at

Anonymous No. 16605522

>>16605500
Theists don’t want to acknowledge that God is an alien. Atheists don’t want to acknowledge that aliens can be worshiped as gods.

Anonymous No. 16605535

>Science is applied statistics.
Okay.
>Statistics is applied maths.
Sure.
>Maths is applied logic.
No doubt.
>Logic is applied philosophy.
NANI THE FUCK HERE BE DRAGONS.
>Philosophy/psychology is applied biology
Okay.
>which is applied chemistry
Sure.
>which is applied physics
No doubt.
>which is applied philosophy/psychology
NANI THE FUCK HERE BE DRAGONS.
>The mind that pokes at nature is first formed by nature.
Okay.
>Metaphysics is just mega physics. Math goes along with everything. Inseparable.
Sure.
>It’s the same with magic and religion. It’s all just a product of the mind’s eye.
No doubt.
>It is all exposure logic. A black box that is white within—there is no bigger black box than the deep black abyss that is space/life.
NANI THE FUCK HERE BE DRAGONS.


What kind of algorithm is this?

Anonymous No. 16607092

>>16605535
>nani
kys

Anonymous No. 16607144

>>16601204
(Math/philosophy(statistics(testing(Natural law/phenomena))))

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Anonymous No. 16607444

>>16607092
Omae wa mou shindeiru.

Anonymous No. 16607465

>>16601683
>almost impossible to sink
Sterling powered conventional subs would like to have some torpedoes with you.

Anonymous No. 16607647

>>16607092
爆ç™șしろ

Anonymous No. 16608327

>>16607092
welcome to 4chan

Anonymous No. 16608401

Not entirely, but statistics is pretty important!

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Anonymous No. 16608885

>>16605500
What caused this split? Why is philosophy hated now?

Anonymous No. 16608961

>>16608885
Lapses in memory, mostly. Modern day nerds think science has no philosophy - they act like it doesn’t stem from (natural) philosophy. They don’t realize that they can’t avoid taking philosophical positions whenever they do a theoretical or philosophical anything.

Anonymous No. 16609012

>>16608961
With just a quick glance at any other department of university a scientist can easily see the unproductiveness of any other kind of epistemology and/or ontology.

Anonymous No. 16609224

>>16609012
Doesn’t matter. Nerds who say “philosophy is dead” are dead wrong. It’s (philosophy) updating itself. Natural philosophy won and now you can only resort to more faceted philosophies within it. Stick to what we know for certain, and keep everything outside of that hypothetical/philosophical. People want more in life not realizing that nature is all there is.

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Anonymous No. 16609258

>>16601204
My first quantum mechanics course in college

Anonymous No. 16609263

>>16604137
TA is less accurate than astrology nigga

Anonymous No. 16611808

>>16609224
>People want more in life not realizing that nature is all there is.
Truest words

Anonymous No. 16611986

>>16609258
Holy kek

Anonymous No. 16611992

>>16604124
Arithmetics, and by extensions all of math, is just applied geometry.
You actually see numbers floating out there? No. There is only geometry.

Anonymous No. 16612192

>>16601212
>>16601204
>>16601261
>>16601286
When you realize the foundations are all axiomatic.

Anonymous No. 16612217

>>16601713
That's more a statement of how little we know rather than a critic of our method of knowing. Our biggest geniuses were borderline mystics (Ă  la Tesla), so there's that too.

Anonymous No. 16613950

Everything is Art.

Anonymous No. 16613960

>>16613950
Art is accidentally doing mathematics while pretending not to.

Anonymous No. 16614489

>>16613960
Math is art. The Art.

Anonymous No. 16615706

>>16601204
Science and Art and Math is all there is.

Anonymous No. 16616437

>>16608885
Getting high on your own farts will do that to you.

Anonymous No. 16616831

>>16613950
>>16613960
>>16614489
>>16615706
>muh purist logic

Anonymous No. 16616838

>>16616831
If something is not pure then it is impure like stained, polluted, filthy, muddy, cloudy and such.

Anonymous No. 16618373

>>16616831
“If you can’t explain it simply enough, you don’t know it well enough” - Einstein

Anonymous No. 16618865

>>16615706
Elaborate

Anonymous No. 16618869

>>16615706
Science and Math is essentially the same thing, Empiricism. Art is Idealism.
So yes, reproducing what has been, and exploring what could be, is all there is.

Anonymous No. 16619717

>>16618869
>String theory is empiricism
>The scream is idealism
No it's all proportions and relations. All of it.

Anonymous No. 16619745

>>16601204
What doesn't work doesn't get implemented, so it's bullshit. Instead of devaluing "applied", be grateful for it. Look at pure mathematics. It serves no purpose. It's meaningless. Be grateful for applied mathematics, because real breakthroughs come from fixing the flaws in implementation.

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Anonymous No. 16619790

>>16619745
>Your intelligence should be instrumental to the needs and wants of the masses!

Anonymous No. 16620966

>>16619790
*humanity

Anonymous No. 16620997

>>16620966
And who or what decides what is for the greater good of humanity? Funding. Politics. Power. Biological programming. Social conditioning. Just look at the current degenerate state of the internet: that's the result of valuing "applied" science.

Anonymous No. 16621732

>>16620997
>Complains about the internet, which is the most applied math thing imaginable

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Anonymous No. 16621735

>>16601204
>inferring applied is cannot particle

Not /sci/ enough, out

>lov u
>rmmbrme

Anonymous No. 16621744

>>16619790
You can always live in the jungle and stop exploiting the civilized services of society if you have nothing to contribute.

Anonymous No. 16621753

>>16621732
>Applied math destroyed society with porn, memes and remote communication...
>...and that's good because...BECAUSE OKAY?
No that's not okay.

Anonymous No. 16621763

>>16621744
>University pays for pure math and theoretical science
>Do what university pays for
>STOP EXPLOITING
What? Perhaps consider that value depends on time, place and culture.

Anonymous No. 16622163

>>16615706
>>16618869
Math is Art. It is Beauty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVxtz50fmMg

Anonymous No. 16623322

>>16621753
>Yeah, I will ignore anything good about internet like porn and social media
>Critical Thinking? What is that? I can think only in abstrakt numbers

Anonymous No. 16623545

>>16601204
Always has been

Anonymous No. 16625414

>>16601204
Everything is information.

Anonymous No. 16626278

Life, intelligence, is the universe looking at itself. As cheesy as it sounds, I agree with this statement.

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Anonymous No. 16627105

>>16601204
It's all style

Anonymous No. 16628151

>>16601204
It's all 1s and 0s

Anonymous No. 16628264

>>16601896
Things happen because they can.
Now, the question is "why they can happen" and why something else doesn't happen instead, like in decay of some very long lived "metastable" isotopes which tend to be more stable than their ground states. Some of them have half-lifes longer than current lifetime of the Universe.

Anonymous No. 16628956

>>16628264
>Things happen because they can.
Yes. Shit Happens. So it is.

Anonymous No. 16629407

>>16628151
nope, not the other way around

Anonymous No. 16629789

>>16628151
Everything is zero

Anonymous No. 16630838

>>16628151
>>16629407
>>16629789
Things either are, or aren't. They do, or don't.

Anonymous No. 16630866

>>16630838
How does your binary worldview explain fuzziness and ambiguity?

Anonymous No. 16631929

>>16630866
Everything everywhere, everywhen, is happening all at once.

Anonymous No. 16632757

>>16627105
Shut the fuck up

Anonymous No. 16632799

>>16632757
he didnt say anything wrong doe

Anonymous No. 16633361

>>16632757
Why are you so mad

GPGYPsy No. 16633938

>>16601204
>science is just applied statistics
it ain't

Anonymous No. 16634040

It's honestly just applied politics.

Anonymous No. 16634267

>>16634040
Physics is politics?

Anonymous No. 16634879

I love it when retards say "x is just y"

Anonymous No. 16634891

>>16601204
I think statistics are the most important aspect of science, but I don't think that science is just statistics.

Anonymous No. 16634975

>>16634879
It's fine to say it, I just (heh) hate the "it's just" part. Just because we can deconstruct the magic doesn't mean it's no longer magic.

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Anonymous No. 16635117

>>16634879
You just said it lol.

Anonymous No. 16635618

>dur dur dur i post dumb frogs dur dur dur

Anonymous No. 16635626

>>16604124
Correlation coefficient is just the cosine of the angle between column vectors

Anonymous No. 16635630

>>16604124
>>16635626
Also the mean is the 1 dimensional centroid of the dataset, and the least-squares regression line for n points is the unique linear configuration of points whose distance from the data set is smallest in Rn

Anonymous No. 16636961

>>16601204
Well why wouldn't it be that?

Anonymous No. 16638436

Everything is 1s and 0s

Anonymous No. 16638711

>>16601204
Just now. Holy shit, you're right!

Anonymous No. 16638998

>>16638436
l i e s

Anonymous No. 16639270

>>16601291
This. Causality. Cause-and-effect.

Anonymous No. 16639351

>>16601291
>*uses my unique human consciousness which exists outside of deterministic spacetime to spontaneously alter your system*
Heh.. nothing personnel, kid

Anonymous No. 16640442

>>16601204
Why wouldn't it be?

Anonymous No. 16640493

>>16601204
When did you realise that you are a midwit faggot?

Anonymous No. 16641175

>>16634879
But there will always be a "it's just x or y" explanation to something. Even a soul will have essential parts to it.

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2000 years ago

Anonymous No. 16641796

These days, science is just applied evil

Anonymous No. 16642317

>>16601204
ugghhh......

Anonymous No. 16642341

>>16601204
"If your experiment requires a statistician, you need a better experiment" - Ernest Rutherford, 1908 Nobel Laureate Chemistry

Anonymous No. 16643078

>>16605500
Based post, if schizo-esque.

Anonymous No. 16643575

>>16641796
What evil?