Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 11:34:24 UTC No. 16632503

It actually isn't best to maximize the fitness of your children because then they can outcompete you.

Your son or daughter could steal your wife and your business just by being you but younger and better. And then when you object he can just get conservatorship and stick you in a hole to rot while making off with what remains of your wealth. Do you want that?

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 11:42:53 UTC No. 16632522

>>16632486
>reproduction by force is an option
in 2025? no it isnt.
otherwise, if you think you're a smart for wanting to breed
>intelligent and wealthy women
youre a joke.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 11:47:13 UTC No. 16632528

>>16632522
cope. your daughter WILL be raped by retards. you WILL raise the retard brood

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 11:48:00 UTC No. 16632530

Either get good or rope, rape ape.
This is why women hate men.
You know that your own genes are poison to the greater human gene pool. You acknowledge this. But you can't turn off your primitive ooga booga need to coom & spread them anyway. You would sooner make women, your own descendants & the future of your own species all suffer from the propagation of your own inadequacy.
Kill yourself nigger.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 11:49:13 UTC No. 16632531

>>16632528
rape offsprings get aborted faster than you can say "feminism"

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 11:56:44 UTC No. 16632541

Cope & seethe that feminism removes inferior male genes from the gene pool lmao.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 13:48:06 UTC No. 16632648

>game theory
I fucking hate it. If I could withdraw it I would do it right fucking now.

Also in this context, the MOST intelligent and wealthy women is infeasible in your state space. Moreover It's not the correct objective funcion to maximize. Just choose the most reproductive one. I mean, the most path ass and big titty girl. This is an optimal stopping problem. If you are going to have sex with 100 women, just stop at the 37th one.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 14:10:01 UTC No. 16632670

>>16632486
>game theoretically speaking, it is best to maximize the fitness of my children
Depends what game you play and what you want to optimize. You're assuming a conclusion.
>to that end, it is best to reproduce with the most intelligent and wealthy women
Doesn't follow because the most intelligent and wealthy women don't necessarily give what your children need to survive, thrive and reproduce in future circumstances.
>my own intelligence and wealth are not high
That's obvious from the poor argument you're making.
>but reproduction by force is an option
Since rape and violence are severely punished and abortion is possible they have taken away men's only weapon to level the playing field against female reproductive strategy. Men have lost the battle of the sexes.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 14:16:45 UTC No. 16632677

>>16632486
>>to that end, it is best to reproduce with the most intelligent and wealthy women
other things being equal int and weath are better, but if your only way to breed with an intelligent wealthy woman is kidnapping and rape then instead it is better evolutionarily to breed with an average woman, have many kids and most importantly raise them happily and so that they see you and the mooother being happy as parents so that they want to do the same as you. if you don't do the last step then your kids will be low fertility

you want you and all your deescendants to be high fertility

this is the best an ordinaryman can hope to achieve
cheats/hard mode:
start fertlity clinic and impregnate hundreds of women seeking ivf by replacing sperm samples
become warlord/elon musk

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 14:29:35 UTC No. 16632688

>>16632677
>you want you and all your deescendants to be high fertility
Good now take the next logical step: clone yourself because you only pass half your DNA to your child and your child will only pass half her/his DNA to his/her child and so on. Your genes will be diluted quickly in just a couple of generations.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 16:59:11 UTC No. 16632795

>>16632670
Simple swerve:
>abduction

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:10:12 UTC No. 16632820

>>16632795
That's how Rome was build and ultimately the women were okay with it or so they say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_the_Sabine_women

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:21:30 UTC No. 16632845

>>16632820
It's not rape if you win the alpha male token

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:22:11 UTC No. 16632849

>>16632670
>Since rape and violence are severely punished and abortion is possible they have taken away men's only weapon to level the playing field against female reproductive strategy. Men have lost the battle of the sexes.
Grim, but true. How do we fix this? Or does females in positions of power inevitably lead to societal collapse, and a reset of the playing field?

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:24:27 UTC No. 16632853

>>16632849
It doesn't, you're a /pol/tard, they're a feminist, I'm the one who can create artificial wombs, and sex slaves still happen.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:35:38 UTC No. 16632866

>>16632503
FPBP
Oedipus just had no will to power.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:43:39 UTC No. 16632881

>>16632486
>Game-theoretically speaking, how does one avoid the obvious conclusion?
Go for it anon. Whats the worst that could happen?

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:45:40 UTC No. 16632883

>>16632881
>finding out how she got rich

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:45:59 UTC No. 16632885

>>16632849
There's a decline of civilization but I see no sign of societal collapse. Some men don't work because they receive support somehow but otherwise men will continue to work and even with minimal effort that's enough to keep society going. Men are too weak, exhausted, domesticated and tranquilized to rebel in any way and whether men rebel or not: surplus males will die early without reproducing which means less mouths to feed and less pensions to pay. Society will go on just fine with rampant hypergamy because the powers that be just care about perpetuating the system and not building civilization to the highest ideal.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:50:14 UTC No. 16632889

>>16632885
>When you're so upset you got born that even mom is a hoe.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 21:36:35 UTC No. 16633157

>>16632688
You are assuming that you and all your descendants have only one child each.

Redo the same calculation assuming that you and your descendants have 3 children each.
before you have kids : 1 genome worth of you (that's identical by descent)
after you have 3 kids : each child has 1/2 a genome of you so 1.5 genomes worth of you
after your 3 kids have 3 grand kids : each grandchild has 1/4 of a genoome of you so 9/4 = 2.25 genoomes worth of you etc.

So infact the number of genomes worth of you that are identical by descent in each generation will grow over time as long as you and your descendants are on average high fertility.

the whole " after a few generations your genes will dilute so you don't contribute anything and so you have no genetic stake in the future"
is dishonest propaganda that ignores the fact that people can and do have more than one child in order to mislead people into falsely assuming that they can't have any genetic effect on the future or genetic stake in their future descendants.

cloning isn't a terrible strategy though as long as you don't over-rely on it.
If you had a chance to make 10 healthy clones that would go unnoticed (e.g. all assuming different identities in different countries and starting their own families) then doing so would be a no-brainer. evolutionarily.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 22:01:36 UTC No. 16633175

>>16632503
>he doesn't know about the mexican hitman option

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 22:08:25 UTC No. 16633177

>>16632503
You have to make multiple children retard then regardless of if you die or not it literally doesn't matter. You've Genghis Khan'd yourself into genetic history.
>>16632486
>he doesn't know
You think donor sperm is the only thing at ivf clinics?

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 22:19:18 UTC No. 16633184

>>16633157
Wrong, average fertility is the goal for which math you cited.

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 23:06:46 UTC No. 16633215

>>16633177
>then regardless of if you die or not it literally doesn't matter.
t. someone with nothing to live for

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 23:35:28 UTC No. 16633226

>>16633215
Who the fuck do you think you are Bill Gates?
Nobody would notice if you died tomorrow get real

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 23:38:31 UTC No. 16633228

>>16633226
Funny part:
>people would notice if he died
>and not care

Anonymous at Sun, 30 Mar 2025 23:44:56 UTC No. 16633235

>>16632486
Maximize given your current state. It’s not like you can do the impossible

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 00:21:21 UTC No. 16633246

>>16632503
>Your son or daughter could steal your wife and your business just by being you...
That's why you need to move away as soon as they hatch. Or, if you're sentimental, live with them and eat any that could pose a threat to you while they're still young

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 00:23:08 UTC No. 16633249

>>16633246
You gotta eat 'em when they betray you, not preemptive crap

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 00:24:27 UTC No. 16633251

>>16633249
By then it'll be too late, they have your wife's superior genes and they'll be around your size

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 00:28:08 UTC No. 16633255

>>16633251
I just meant to play along hard enough to reach myth, actually eating them would mean shadows lacked any pride

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 00:52:40 UTC No. 16633276

>>16633226
>Nobody would notice if you died tomorrow get real
Pretty sure I'd notice.
>Living for attention
Lmao

>>16633246
There are an endless number of stories about abandoned children coming back to take everything from parents and step parents. Unless you're planning to move to Mars, that's not a viable strategy.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 00:55:55 UTC No. 16633282

>>16633276
Abandonment requires betting in favor of society, how the story ends is always a factor.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 01:09:25 UTC No. 16633294

>>16632486
Your best odds are to have as many children as possible.
Because that increase the odds that one of your children ends up being a positive outlier.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 01:26:27 UTC No. 16633308

>>16632486
The purpose of life is to spread life. Making offsprings is just one of many options. Genetically engineerring a bacteria that can live on Mars is bigger achievent. Self-reproducing nanobots are bigger achievement. AI is bigger achievent. Aids and cancer treatment drug are bigger achievent. You dont necessarily need to create or boost humans. Preserving species is bigger achievement. All life on earth shares the same DNA, doing almost anything or not doing it at all still contributes to the spread of life, just in different form. You cant "fail" at life, only a minor fraction of your genes can. And those loser genes dont even define you, as they are often dormant anyways.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 01:50:43 UTC No. 16633335

By "not define you" I mean those genes are not even expressed, and that might be a good thing, because otherwise they might have caused lethal genetic illness or deformity. Why would you expect to win the genetic lottery by reshuffling your genes randomly in your offsprings, and how exactly that will boost the spread of life, both human life and life as a whole? You are not doing eugenics here to boost the fitness of humans, by eugenics standards you are most likely an untermensch who should be castrated. Your offspring wont be God Emperor or Paul Atreides who leads humanity to the stars and terraforms barren space rocks into the garden of Eden. Your death here and now might slow down the extinction of species though. Maybe some frog in the jungle of amazonia is the key to immortal life and curing cancer, considering what we already know, THAT is highly likely, why you even consider yourself worthy over that frog going extinct due to deforestation to plow the field to feed the niggers like you with sugared goyslop that causes diabetes?

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 02:07:18 UTC No. 16633351

>>16632541
but still keeps the inferior females so she creates inferior sons

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 07:44:44 UTC No. 16633529

>>16633276
>Pretty sure I'd notice.
Spoken like a butterfly that remembers being Chuan Tzu.
Or, less cryptic: no? How would you notice you don't exist if you don't exist? Are you a dualist with an eternal soul..?

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 07:45:53 UTC No. 16633530

>>16633351
This is categorically a good thing, as the Male is always isolationist and self-aggrandizing even though it does basically nothing.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 11:30:34 UTC No. 16633674

>>16632531
Not in the good ol' US of A

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 13:04:01 UTC No. 16633731

>>16633529
I'd be hard pressed to wake up dead and not notice.

Anonymous at Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:28:13 UTC No. 16635741

>>16632486
>Fitness
Failed bio 1? It's about the ability to adapt, not whatever you think fitness is.

Anonymous at Thu, 3 Apr 2025 06:28:19 UTC No. 16635769

>>16632486
>to that end, it is best to reproduce
It is best to purchase the best eggs and sperm and impregnate whoever woman with them
Using your own sperm does not maximize your kids fitness
The kids would still be yours in the same way that people cling to cats and dogs as their babbis. Its not like the feeling of betrayal that comes from a cheating spouse, when you choose the babbi and raise it since day 1 hes just your child
Choose your poison

Anonymous at Thu, 3 Apr 2025 10:25:03 UTC No. 16635887

>>16632522
You display a complete lack of imagination.

Anonymous at Thu, 3 Apr 2025 18:47:47 UTC No. 16636318

>>16632486
Your own genes are the best. You don’t need strangers for that. You also don’t need to do anything rash or risky.

Anonymous at Thu, 3 Apr 2025 18:52:53 UTC No. 16636330

>>16632531

not if the waman is christian, because then they will be like abortion is sinful, i must raise this rape baby as my own