Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 04:21:22 UTC No. 16633418

>>16633414
>degree after degree
Ultimately, if you want to design and build something you can get a billion degrees but the purpose of them should be protected time where you get paid by the government or university while you learn and build it yourself. If you go to a good BME undergrad program, there should be a good prosthetics student org and/or labs developing prosthetics. My uni was a state flagship and had both.

Ultimately real engineering of new products is very much a self-driven process

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 04:26:10 UTC No. 16633419

>>16633414
You have to tell me if you feel like anything you're doing is counterproductive, or there are gaps you struggle with working alone. Otherwise it sounds like you stand to be a domain expert.

How can I get in contact with you if all else fails?

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 04:30:18 UTC No. 16633421

>>16633418
I'm a returning student, I dropped out extremely stupidly to move across the country with a toxic person and am now in undergrad again. I couldn't afford going to a campus so I'm in an online BME program that doesn't cost me anything out of pocket. Is that going to hamper my ability to get access to a lab? I kind of assumed once I get working in prosthetics (which I can get the certification for as soon as I take a few specific classes, before finishing undergrad even) I'd be able to supplement for the lack of campus connections.
I also need the masters to be allowed to fit people with prosthetics with my own.
And the doctorate is yes just protected time for me to study neurons and BMI stuff once I know all the possible biology and physics and math from undergrad. Not strictly necessary if I found research work right after getting my CPO certification.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 04:35:06 UTC No. 16633423

>>16633421
Don't do an online BME program, get your general credits at a community college and just transfer to a university to get the engineering credits. That's the point of student loans - if you are actually interested in the work of building prosthetics and not just the idea of others seeing you as someone who builds prosthetics (two very different things), you will pay back those loans without too much trouble

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 04:42:49 UTC No. 16633426

>>16633419
Well gosh I appreciate the glowing endorsement. I take it you know the field(s) a bit, so that sounds like I've chosen the right things to study. Just gotta do as the other anon said and find my way to get the right things out of it perhaps.
>How can I get in contact with you if all else fails?
From this url I add only on discord lol. I don't message much but I'll add you or drop a link if you like.
>>16633423
Private loans really scare me honestly. The first time I was careful to take out only federal loans (family were also supposed to pay those but then I dropped out and made it my own responsibility), and those basically never need to be paid until it's convenient.
I do want campus connections and need lab time, my plan was to get that through work and in a prosthetics master's program, but thinking more about it that's not a replacement for the part where I have to teach myself quantum mechanics at home. That might be better in a class setting.
The other benefit to online is that it saves time. I can finish the dual major in two years if I keep a good pace. Switching to a campus makes it four years and then I finish undergrad at 31 and that's a little bit painful. Part of it is that I want a degree before 30.
I suppose I have a lot of conflicting thoughts about it.
Maybe the only question I need to ask is if the in person lab and peer time is worth all those concerns. But yeah it probably is.
Although I'm also not entirely sure I would get approved for private loans, my credit is bad. So I should check in on that.
Moving to my online school's location and becoming an on-campus student is an option too.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 04:49:32 UTC No. 16633428

>>16633426
No, I don't need to contact you for anything right now. Discord doesn't mean much to me, you do. Figuring out best options is all we can do at the moment

My field is different but puts prosthetic on my radar. Don't know if you remember I, Robot, but one of the critical plot points involved a robotic limb. Looking for people who can get every piece where it needs to be is part of why I lurk.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 04:54:10 UTC No. 16633431

>>16633426
>quantum mechanics
Huh? I did my entire engineering degree with honors and never touched quantum mechanics. You need to learn biomechanics and physiology lol

But anyways, why can't you get federal loans anymore? DO NOT GET PRIVATE LOANS IF POSSIBLE, they will ruin you with high interest rates - whereas with federal loans you can pay them off with nonprofit work (PSLF)

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 05:16:31 UTC No. 16633439

>>16633428
Ah, that's interesting. Burner email, or if you want to establish some sort of code phrase to drop in a contact to me, should my career go as planned when whatever you're cooking up is ready? Whatever your full aim is I'm sure I'd be willing to hear it out at the appropriate time.
>>16633431
It's an optional elective course that gives credit towards the major. I want to study it because I am going into neuroscience primarily (prosthetics/engineering are necessary support skills). It may not be highly important but there are unresolved questions in the realm of quantum brain theory, on the behavior of electron meshes and the purpose of stable spins in tubulin molecules. To make a complete replication of the functions of the nervous system I /might/ need quantum mechanics at a pretty essential level, and that's reason enough to include it in my undergrad study.
I don't just want to do what's being done now with robotic hands and cleverq endpoint stimulus, I want fully functioning synthetic nerve tissue or something equivalent. For moving to things like organ replacement or any interfacing with the central nervous system that's high-utility.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 05:20:54 UTC No. 16633445

>>16633431
>loans
I can get federal loans but I don't think they will cover school anymore, even at the local university.
The first time, I had a full ride scholarship to a fancy school. The loans were just for room and board. Full cost would be fed/private mix or maybe trying to juggle multiple jobs with school.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 05:54:51 UTC No. 16633472

>>16633439
I mean, you can't really have thoughts like these and not also realize you are part of the singularity.

It looks like you have the competence necessary for me to not need us in direct contact

TDG !!YByxW7AXs7/ at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 07:05:30 UTC No. 16633514

>>16633414

Stick with a single primary degree (either prosthetics or neuroscience) but keep an interdisciplinary mind. You often do not need to know everything but you need to know the right people and to ask the right questions ... and how to turn this into a basic understanding.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 11:01:34 UTC No. 16633653

>>16633414
the technic and science for this already exists.
the main problem might be to fing the nerves in the body/stump.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 11:03:09 UTC No. 16633655

>>16633653
the technic and science for this already exists.
the main problem might be to find the nerves in the body/stump.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 13:50:58 UTC No. 16633754

>>16633514
Well, neurosci/neuroengineering is my primary study. That's why I'm majoring in BME.
Prosthetics & orthotics is only a cert and then a master's that's only a year in school and the rest done through residency. Mostly it's working, and well paid work to buy me grad school time to work on doctoral research. And once I'm certified, prosthetist is a really lucrative and always useful field so I'll be set for life with fallback work.
And, it's honestly sort of essential to study both to develop these kind of devices. I understand a lot of science is teamwork but advancing the field of bionics like this will go fastest a team who are each interdisciplinary experts in it (+ some assistants ofc).
>>16633653
>>16633655
I don't think that's right? There've been some pretty impressive advancements in prosthetics lately but I haven't seen anything like what I've been describing. If you have, please source it though!
>main problem might be to fing [find?] the nerves in the body/stump
Yeah, the specific connections can get complex. You can achieve a lot by just focusing on the endpoint and simulating what it should be hearing through electrical impulses. Fully replicating rather than simulating is harder. Like making an emulator by painstakingly rebuilding a microchip instead of making an assembler interface.
But the payoff is worth the attempt. More sensitive hands for one, but it'll also make for better internal prosthetics. What if someone needs a spinal cord replacement? We are probably better served by a wetware spine than a robo-spine as it were. And in the long run this technology could be used to repair brain damage, or to for example enhance cleaning and regeneration in aging brains and extend cognitive lifespan.
That's the part that, to my knowledge, hasn't been properly explored. And what I'm aiming to R&D. The hand in op pic is step 1, but I am being conservative by setting that as a lifetime goal and all the beyond it opens up as a hopeful maybe.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 13:52:47 UTC No. 16633757

>>16633472
Interesante btw. I suppose I'll be hearing from you if both of us carry on our work well then.
Thoughts on the singularity's supposed imminence honestly but I don't wanna bog down my academic advice thread with all my thoughts on that lol.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 14:10:02 UTC No. 16633772

I think, you can place some extra muscles on amptuated limb, cover them with skin, and tatoo a display like but reverse think, muscle action would then be measured there on tatooed surface(like you'd tatoo something there that could be sensor for muscle activity underneath), and then control bionic arm with that. May be easier with those extra lab grown placed muscles, because it's probably easier to connect muscle to nerv, than robotics to nerve.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 14:24:02 UTC No. 16633791

>>16633772
Lab grown muscle is probably the best near term option. Long term, I would like to work with some materials scientists and see what can be done with synthetics. Give people who lose arms replacements that have carbon fiber bone and some kind of super durable synthetic tendons etc. I see the future as one where we refuse to die before our time, so I think eventually we'll want replacement parts that outlast the originals, for ship of theseusing.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 14:48:04 UTC No. 16633818

>>16633791
Combining spring and electromagnet you can have structure that tightens on power and lenghtens while not on power.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 15:44:15 UTC No. 16633890

>>16633414
>my singular goal in life is to make picrel
You're probably going to die unfulfilled.

>I dropped out extremely stupidly to move across the country with a toxic person
yikes. If you had this goal prior to making that stupid move, then just give up now. If you came up with the goal after being ass-blasted by a sex-partner, then you're goal only exists because of trying to fill the void of heartbreak.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 15:46:38 UTC No. 16633894

I had similar goals to you anon.
BME undergrad and Neurosci grad program.
However I got disillusioned with science and materialism and quit.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 19:20:38 UTC No. 16634119

>>16633818
Powered electromagnets are not a great solution for a prosthetic. An important consideration is energy density and power draw. You don't want people needing to recharge their arm, so ideally you rely on mechanical work or chemical energy and any electrical compoents are ambiently powered on no more charge than a piezoelectric watch. Any solution with a low enough power draw is likely going to ditch springs for a nanoscale solution (which might still be springs but of another fashion) that more closely mimics an actual tendon.
>>16633890
>You're probably going to die unfulfilled
Agree to disagree. :)
>yikes
Yeah I know. Mistakes were made.
>just give up now
No, never ever that.
>you're goal only exists because of trying to fill the void of heartbreak
Eh, in a way. I had fuzzy ideas of my goals and a lot of pressure on me to pursue a more conventional path that was confounding me, and then I got myself into a comedy of errors. The breakup gave me time to focus on myself and what I want to be doing with my life, which is this research.
>>16633894
Damn sorry to hear that. What happened, just work wasn't as satisfying as you hoped, or too hard?

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 19:23:29 UTC No. 16634122

>>16633414
Best bet is army medical research

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 19:25:16 UTC No. 16634124

>>16634122
Would that be doable as a civilian, or would I need to enlist as an officer after finishing undergrad? I don't want to get sent to some retarded war in Mexico. I also might not be eligible.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 19:32:00 UTC No. 16634127

>>16634124
>enlist as an officer
They pay for your school and then you have to work for them as a doctor for a bit. If you somehow wind up as an infantry man you were always profoundly retarded. Literally just email them your questions, it's not like they're gonna conscript you.

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 21:31:55 UTC No. 16634218

>>16634127
Yes it is.

bodhi at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 22:45:25 UTC No. 16634273

>>16633414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRceb6cA4yw

Anonymous at Mon, 31 Mar 2025 23:11:06 UTC No. 16634287

>>16633414
pick one thing and specialize. Something like this isn't going to be invented by a guy that knows every subject, it's a team thing. The fact you think you need to know every single aspects of cybernetics means you are probably too dumb to actually contribute.

Anonymous at Tue, 1 Apr 2025 01:27:00 UTC No. 16634442

>>16634287
Wrong and slaved to the automaton

Anonymous at Tue, 1 Apr 2025 04:16:40 UTC No. 16634591

>>16633414
Study EE, ideally signal processing
biomedical engineering is sort of a jack of all trades master of none

Anonymous at Tue, 1 Apr 2025 04:36:51 UTC No. 16634607

>>16634119
I just felt realized academic research science was akin to being a cloistered monk copying manuscript pages all day, and 'doing science' was getting me no closer to Truth like I originally thought it would.
The entire endeavor felt pointless and so I had no motivation to continue, and other areas of life seemed more interesting, fruitful, and compelling.

Anonymous at Thu, 3 Apr 2025 00:53:05 UTC No. 16635594

>>16633414
Know the current capabilities of surgery.
Know the fda approval bullshit
Know the bio and mechanics.
Know the mechanical/electrical engineering required (maybe a bit of CS/AI for processing nerve signals).

Maybe start with animals? Probably less red tape and friction which is good for testing prototypes and surgical methods.

Anonymous at Thu, 3 Apr 2025 18:30:35 UTC No. 16636290

>>16635594
Awesome. The government provably lacks competence, since if they were relevant would actually understand how vets affect software developers.

Anonymous at Fri, 4 Apr 2025 01:36:52 UTC No. 16636914

>any subset of 'cuts' she can simultaneously survive are evidence the rest of you are inferior


>... [(.....) vs. "free housing"]