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Anonymous at Thu, 1 Sep 2022 14:04:05 UTC No. 113686
When will retarded redditors admit that the only thing that really matters in a fight is physical size? Martial arts just let men win more quickly and efficiently against manlets who were going to lose anyway.
If you’re less than 6’ tall martial arts will only delay the inevitable and make you look like a tryhard who thinks that brain > brawn, and this line of thinking will get you killed IRL. Manlet self defense should emphasize kissing ass and accepting your role in the pecking order.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Sep 2022 16:59:11 UTC No. 113734
>>113686
So I must take HRT and wear a skirt?
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Sep 2022 17:03:46 UTC No. 113736
>>113686
Nigger.
Dress sharp. Lots of pockets. Weapons everywhere. Situational awareness.
Fighting is just a thing guys do.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Sep 2022 18:31:17 UTC No. 113744
>>113686
Daily reminder
https://youtu.be/IdeNFcZE9s4
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Sep 2022 18:45:13 UTC No. 113747
OP is a sissy fetishist. This thread is nothing more than hornyposting.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Sep 2022 19:15:20 UTC No. 113757
>>113747
Based Freud poster
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Sep 2022 21:23:17 UTC No. 113800
>>113744
That Pedro Sauer is very good? We knew.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Sep 2022 21:57:41 UTC No. 113808
>>113686
When will retarded redditors admit that the only thing that really matters in a fight is having a gun?
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Sep 2022 13:24:19 UTC No. 113939
>>113686
You people are completely deluded retards
Literally touch grass cause anybody here can tell that you ain't big either fag
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Sep 2022 18:08:35 UTC No. 113992
>>113686
Mainoumi Shūhei
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Sep 2022 03:01:15 UTC No. 114076
>>113747
That or a fat tall guy who thinks he can win a fight.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Sep 2022 05:44:16 UTC No. 114092
>>113686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNh
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:25:26 UTC No. 114154
>>113686
First 5 UFCs prove you wrong, forever and always.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Sep 2022 18:41:27 UTC No. 114155
>>113686
Can confirm I tried out bjj today for the first time and the guy who was giving the class was a purple belt, so not a pro or anything, but he was absolutely unable to do shit against me. Strength trumps technique and I can easily dominate most guys.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 4 Sep 2022 01:41:21 UTC No. 114262
>>114155
Sure thing, did he let you fuck his sister too?
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Sep 2022 12:38:02 UTC No. 114313
>>114155
>I'm a larping lying pos
FTFY
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Sep 2022 22:27:55 UTC No. 117572
>>113686
>I have never trained pls raep my face
I'm regional IPF champ and train with European and World's powerlifters. Every single one thinks this. Then we go to my BJJ/MMA school and they just get their asses handed to them even by tiny karate bitches let alone anyone trained in grappling.
You're also such a total faggot you don't watch combat sports. This was proven false 30 years ago now.
Fight training > size & strength. Size and strength only make a difference when fight training is equal. Kill yourself OP as you've clearly never left your fucking basement.
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Sep 2022 23:35:47 UTC No. 117588
>>113744
Reminder that it takes a bjj black belt 7 minutes to beat an untrained jacked guy, whereas vs an untrained twink it would be over in under 30 seconds?
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Sep 2022 00:09:30 UTC No. 117593
>>117588
What point are you even trying to make?
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Sep 2022 02:23:57 UTC No. 117604
>>113686
>the only thing that really matters in a fight is physical size
Either really good bait or your an idiot. We figured this shit out all the way back in UFC 1. You clearly haven't trained an actual effective art (Wrestling, BJJ, Muay-Thai, Boxing, Judo ect.) a day in your life. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Sep 2022 03:02:05 UTC No. 117606
>>117593
That size blatantly matters alot even if not as much as the op is saying. I would even say that that video shows it matters more than skill imagine the jacked guy was a purple belt fighting the same black belt or just had a few months of kickboxing and wrestling along with his trength training vs the literal decades of bjj that black belt has.
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Sep 2022 03:18:00 UTC No. 117609
>>113686
Always carry a weapon to better the odds
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Sep 2022 03:21:15 UTC No. 117611
>>117606
Ok? I don’t see anyone in this thread saying size doesn’t matter at all, only a retarded OP saying it’s all that matters and everyone else saying it’s not an insurmountable advantage. Stop tilting at windmills, retard.
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Sep 2022 04:59:52 UTC No. 117622
>>117611
You haven't read the thread then
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Sep 2022 14:45:59 UTC No. 117645
>>117622
Where does even a single poster say that size doesn’t matter at al?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Sep 2022 03:54:45 UTC No. 117788
>>113686
Hey retard, you know there's weight divisions right? Literally everyone knows size is everything. What are u bitching about?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:47:48 UTC No. 117825
>>117606
LMAO. You're a total retard who used the worst example to prove your point. That was one of the Gracie brothers who beat the ass of some meathead bodybuilder who kept talking shit on radio. Basically the entire 7 minutes you describe is the body builder getting man handled by a man 100+ lbs less heavy than him. Everything from grappling to ground control to even basic striking, that bodybuilder was completely out of his league. Also, your point about a a twink getting rekt faster makes no sense. Regardless, someone who has trained will have an inherent advantage in that respect.
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Sep 2022 20:50:58 UTC No. 117872
>>117788
Size matters among people of equal skill. Your fat ass probably outweighs mayweather by like 150lbs but He would still knock your block off
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Sep 2022 07:19:55 UTC No. 117932
>>113686
Tell that to this guy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qbyb6
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Sep 2022 08:18:20 UTC No. 117939
>>113686
wonder how many solid legkicks this big nigga can take. you saw el cucuy kick the shit out of that metal pole with no reaction whatsoever, reckon its a lot tougher than this guys shins.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Sep 2022 15:25:26 UTC No. 117981
>>117825
How does it not make sense? If skill is way more important than size it should be easy for someone with that much bjj experience to beat a meathead body builder instead he took 7 minutes.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:08:17 UTC No. 117996
>>113686
sucker punch from connor will knock mountain out cold
/thread
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:33:50 UTC No. 118001
>>117981
>b-but he took seven minutes
And he won without a scratch on him. He was literally covered in the other guys blood and in a position to snap crackle pop his elbow out of its socket. It was a complete domination from start to finish. Are you the kind of retard who thinks there’s some secret dim mak shit that instantly ends a fight? Go back to /fit/ you coping retard.
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Sep 2022 18:46:35 UTC No. 118007
>>117981
No one is denying that size matters. You are arguing against a position no one in this thread is taking. The fight didn't actually last 7 minutes, that clip is heavily edited and replays and slows down several times. It looks like the fight only really lasted a minute or two. Pretty damn good for someone with a 100 lb weight advantage. Especially given that Lance did not pose a serious threat to Pedro the entire time. Obviously, being bigger is an advantage. That's why weight cutting exists. OP's ridiculous premise that it's the only thing that matters is fat powerlifter cope.
We can dispute whether or not Pedro performed well against his untrained opponent, but the bottom line is that Pedro would have gotten his ass completely kicked if he hadn't trained and that's the whole point. A smaller person can beat a bigger person if he's sufficiently skilled. If the bigger person is also skilled this changes things, equally obviously.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:03:44 UTC No. 118140
>>117981
Did you even watch the video? The 7 minutes is the ref analysis. The fight itself lasts about 2 minutes. The video is time stamped from the recorder. Fight starts at 8:56am and Lance taps at 8:58am.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Sep 2022 17:59:19 UTC No. 118193
>>113744
i wonder if an oly lifter with decent cardio at the same weight class would've done better. would still lose in the end.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:03:41 UTC No. 118195
>>118193
I doubt it. Cardio wasn’t the issue it was having literally no idea how to defend against strikes in the first part and then in the second extending his arm out in front of him while in the other guys guard. These weren’t cardio issues just massive blunders that only the untrained would make.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:41:52 UTC No. 118202
>>113686
is size and strength seperable, a fatter, taller, but physically less strong opponent?
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:46:16 UTC No. 118204
>>118202
A big dude who is out of shape and untrained is probably going to get smashed by a smaller, fit dude who trains. In that case it would be like wrestling someone wearing a fat suit
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Sep 2022 19:03:26 UTC No. 118208
>>113686
They will forever cope that weight classes are there to protect the smaller people
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:26:37 UTC No. 118224
>>118208
Nobody in this thread has argued your straw man
Anonymous at Thu, 29 Sep 2022 04:56:10 UTC No. 118293
>>118276
Having watched the full video the mma guy does at one point get taken down iirc, but the power lifter doesn’t know how to get position for strikes and he just escapes and gets back up before kicking him in the head killing the /fit/bro
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Oct 2022 04:45:16 UTC No. 122071
>>113686
This faggot posted the same question in /fit/ 2 months ago and still hasn't learned anything
Anonymous at Thu, 27 Oct 2022 15:05:48 UTC No. 122479
>>122071
It was never about learning, it was about posting his gay lookism fetish.
Anonymous at Fri, 28 Oct 2022 20:23:40 UTC No. 122654
>>113734
sure
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Oct 2022 08:57:42 UTC No. 122734
>>113686
>the only thing that really matters in a fight is physical size
What about guns and knives lol... who's the manlet if I stab your testies and rectum while you try to overwhelm me? lol.
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Oct 2022 11:45:19 UTC No. 122739
>>122654
That was a test, you’ve outed yourself as a tranny supporter
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Oct 2022 15:47:22 UTC No. 122753
>>118001
based lmfao
Anonymous at Sat, 29 Oct 2022 20:37:34 UTC No. 122788
>>122739
Power fetish instead of believe to be a woman
Anonymous at Sat, 5 Nov 2022 10:29:48 UTC No. 123670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ut
Big guy with fundamentals > small guy with years of experience
Anonymous at Sat, 5 Nov 2022 14:48:07 UTC No. 123688
>>113686
Someone wants to get gorilla fucked
Anonymous at Sat, 5 Nov 2022 14:54:06 UTC No. 123692
>>123670
it takes them like two classes to catch up with 4 years of progress for a little guy
them's the breaks
Anonymous at Sun, 6 Nov 2022 01:34:25 UTC No. 123761
>>123696
Realistically on the low chance that you get assaulted and the person doing it also happens to be unarmed they will usually be larger than you. The real redpill on martial arts isn't realizing the fairly obvious fact that aikido et al are less combat effective its acknowledging that having a criteria based in combat effectiveness is larping to begin with. The most reasonable reasons to train are fitness and fun.
Anonymous at Sun, 6 Nov 2022 12:20:19 UTC No. 123795
Don't get how this is still something people argue about when fatties got blown the fuck out in the pre-weight class UFC.
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Nov 2022 03:04:56 UTC No. 123880
>>123761
>that having a criteria based in combat effectiveness is larping to begin with
What the fuck does that even mean.
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Nov 2022 04:18:15 UTC No. 123890
>>123795
This. Literally just go watch early UFC. Bunch of monsters getting btfo by a brazilian middleweight.
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Nov 2022 06:43:46 UTC No. 123897
>>123761
Brian Shaw is not merely "larger than you" he is bigger and at least 10x stronger than all but a handful of men on the planet. If an average sized martial artist is not able to take on a silverback, I don't consider that a failing worth worrying about. Or anything that has much applicability to your average weight difference in a street fight.
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Nov 2022 11:51:09 UTC No. 123916
>>123890
And there isn't even any room to cope about lucky strikes or whatever. The dude was a grappler.
Anonymous at Mon, 7 Nov 2022 12:54:21 UTC No. 123921
>>123880
This dude is just coping.
>if no martial arts actually work then aikido is just as effective as Muay Thai!!
Complete fucking nonsense, so is the idea that training for a martial art won’t help you at all in a real world self-defense scenario. If the dude attacking you really is too big for you to submit on your own, a knowledge of grappling can help you survive long enough for someone to help you or give you opportunity to escape.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Nov 2022 02:37:11 UTC No. 124046
Dempsey ragdolled Willard around the ring despite a massive height and weight disadvantage. Willard was a champ, too. Muay Thai guys are known for retiring from the Thai fight circuit to go make easy money by styling on foreigners that outweigh them by multiple weight classes in exhibition matches. Meatheads cope and seethe.
Anonymous at Tue, 8 Nov 2022 03:14:48 UTC No. 124063
>>113935
based, shame he ducked Fury. His fat ass would probably not be different from Valuev
Anonymous at Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:00:14 UTC No. 124693
>>123696
yes. the entire idea of using BJJ "magic" to submit larger opponents is entirely predicated on the opponent simply not knowing about 2 or 3 different fundamental concepts which can all be taught to them in a span of a few classes
by which point any surmountable lead your "experience" will earn you is entirely negligible at that point
cope and seethe martial-arts cucks
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Nov 2022 16:59:30 UTC No. 126538
>learn judo instead of bjj
>use the niggre momentum to lend them on the ground
>instead of submitting them you start stomping on their troath
size matters jak shit when i play dirty
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:47:08 UTC No. 126569
>>124693
If this was true the big white and blue belts in BJJ gyms would be at the top of the class but that's never the case.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:48:41 UTC No. 126571
>>126538
Size matters for sure but its also pretty easy to trip someone if you know what your doing and the other person doesn't. Even if the other person is larger than you.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Nov 2022 23:00:21 UTC No. 126584
>>126571
Does size really matter though? Pre-weight classes UFCs showed that it didn't.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Nov 2022 23:35:37 UTC No. 126603
>>126584
It does. Bob Sapp beat Ernesto Hoost because he was way bigger despite being an inferior striker. There are many such stories. Sufficient skill can overcome a size difference but it's an uphill battle, and size overcoming skill is just as possible. The david and goliath stories coming out of early UFC are more hollywood, but there were also plenty of guys like Gary Goodridge, who were not skilled fighters but just huge and strong and scary, who did very well. That was the big irony actually. The nerdy martial artists would usually get destroyed by big guys who used to play football or worked as bouncers. Royce had to be head and shoulders above these dudes to beat them. Look at his fight with Kimo Leopoldo. He won that fight, but it was one of the hardest fights of his entire career. He had to drop out of the tournament early due to exhaustion and Kimo was just some dipshit roidhead wannabe actor with a 50lb weight advantage.
OP is obviously a fag, but there's a reason we have weight classes. Size is the most confounding factor when we're trying to figure out which martial artist is better.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 01:32:28 UTC No. 126631
>>126603
I agree with you, however there is a big difference between a big guy that comes from a contact sport background like football, rugby, and hockey and just some guy who goes to the gym.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 01:45:57 UTC No. 126632
>>126603
hoost still won the grand prix lol
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 01:47:31 UTC No. 126633
>>126603
>Gary Goodridge, who were not skilled fighters
gary is trained dipshit what do you mean he's "not skilled" lol you don't just randomly accidentally put people into a crucifix for example. he even told a story about that first ufc event where he saw his opponent doing fireman carry drills so they planned their fight around that.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 01:50:08 UTC No. 126634
>>126603
>Royce had to be head and shoulders above these dudes to beat them
wow so you mean if you're more trained than people you can beat them? you just proved your own point wrong. size is most important between two untrained people and two people of equal skill. most people are untrained, so if you're a little dude who has training you're going to do much better than if you didn't have training. acting like technique isn't important is the dumbest shit i've ever heard and of course it comes from armchair analyst neckbeards who are probably overweight and don't go to any gym of any kind
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 02:11:16 UTC No. 126639
>>126634
I did not say technique isn't important lol. I said size matters as well.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:10:17 UTC No. 126648
I do wonder what a UFC without weight classes would look like if it lasted to this day.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:27:28 UTC No. 126649
>>126648
>what a UFC without weight classes would look like if it lasted to this day.
A boring wrestling series. Stand up fighting would pretty much end, especially between the light and heavier fighters.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:36:52 UTC No. 126652
>>126648
every featherweight fighter would get thrown around by every heavyweight fighter
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 03:42:11 UTC No. 126654
>>126649
>>126652
On the contrary, current day heavyweights are fucking shitters. I think they would get blown the fuck out by the middle classes.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 10:32:14 UTC No. 126701
>>126538
>size matters jak shit when i play dirty
a bigger guy can use dirty tricks too
retards cant understand cetibus paribus
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Nov 2022 11:14:03 UTC No. 126705
>>123670
I once read an interview by some German self-defense instructor, he mentioned something he called the "Conan limit". Meaning that there's a point where, if a size and strength difference is wide enough, some techniques simply will not work. This feels like an example of that.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 22:38:13 UTC No. 127814
>>118276
Kek
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Dec 2022 23:27:50 UTC No. 127830
>>124046
Don't forget Max Baer smashing Primo Carnera.
Size and strength are indeed factors, but so does training, muscle memory, and reaction time.