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Anonymous at Sat, 1 Oct 2022 17:16:18 UTC No. 118631
>want to try kickboxing/Muay Thai
>want to learn it for fun and self defense
>only want to train and light spar
>don’t want cumulative brain damage that catches up with me in old age
Can it be done?
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Oct 2022 17:30:31 UTC No. 118632
>>118631
Sure. Just do as you said. If you're extra worried, just make sure you're always very hydrated and take creatine, it has some positive effects on neuroplasticity. a dehydrated brain is a brain with more room to get knocked around
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:06:46 UTC No. 118636
cant have your cake and eat it to
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:24:09 UTC No. 118637
>>118631
You would probably be best served by avoiding sparring as much as possible for a while and then only sparring people you know well. Especially among young males there will always be randoms who light sparring = 70% power to the head 100% everywhere else lol.
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Oct 2022 18:26:48 UTC No. 118638
>>118636
Exactly, OP is a fucking moron. Fighting is for losers who want dementia
Anonymous at Sat, 1 Oct 2022 19:30:39 UTC No. 118641
>>118631
Yeah. Just be a normal hobbyist and don't spar hard. There's no shame in being a casual.
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Oct 2022 00:07:46 UTC No. 118673
>>118631
>don’t want cumulative brain damage that catches up with me in old age
Just focus on your defense. Watch how mayweather, canelo, loma, and pernell whitaker move. You will end up taking shots to the body way more often, but you said you want no brain damage, so choose one
Anonymous at Sun, 2 Oct 2022 23:29:10 UTC No. 118761
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 05:06:57 UTC No. 118794
>>118631
do Muay-Thai. Very light sparring but you'll still learn a fuckton.
>>118636
Yes you can. You can be very explicit about only wanting to go light and have nothing but light sparring sessions. This is a dumb post.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:45:07 UTC No. 118816
>>118636
>has never sparred or rolled at half speed
no belt casual detected
be a faggot somewhere else like the pro rassling board
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 11:21:16 UTC No. 118819
>>118653
most professional fighters rarely spar hard. they do it maybe twice or thrice a month at most, and they definitely don't do it in the weeks leading up to the fight.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 12:28:42 UTC No. 118822
>>118794
>Very light sparring
American gym?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 13:58:29 UTC No. 118825
>>118794
The gym near me does “Dutch style” kickboxing
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 17:10:15 UTC No. 118858
>>118819
goalposting moving i know but I meant pro athlete hard sparring as well as the fights themselves, poor wording on my part.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 17:16:42 UTC No. 118859
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 17:54:33 UTC No. 118864
>>118859
You're legit a fucking idiot.
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 18:09:38 UTC No. 118867
>>118858
fair enough
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 18:12:20 UTC No. 118868
>>118632
are there any articles or studies about this? or a term i can look up to point me in the right direction?
Anonymous at Mon, 3 Oct 2022 21:24:55 UTC No. 118897
>>118825
rip knees
Anonymous at Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:54:06 UTC No. 119371
>>118631
Why I chose Kyokushin, no head punches except for specific days plus a bunch of autistic katas I can over analyze. Kicking to the head is usually light unless we're training for competition.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Oct 2022 19:57:50 UTC No. 119588
>>118631
>>118636
>>118638
>falling for the cte meme
>not just wearing headgear if youre really concerned about it
Any excuse to avoid real training
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Oct 2022 20:44:42 UTC No. 119593
>>119588
headgear doesn't protect u from brain damage
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Oct 2022 22:21:51 UTC No. 119598
>>119593
Whatever you say nofights. Really nobody wants your kind shitting up their gyms so its a win-win
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Oct 2022 23:15:23 UTC No. 119611
>>119598
Enjoy dementia loser
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Oct 2022 23:17:30 UTC No. 119613
>>119593
>>119598
What he said is 100% true though. Headgear literally won't save you from CTE or brain damage. The head gear means fuck all when it's your brain hitting the inside of your skull that's the problem. Headgear is useful for cauliflower ear and just saving your face from scaring. That's it.
Anonymous at Fri, 7 Oct 2022 23:57:57 UTC No. 119623
>>119598
Headgear can almost make getting CTE worse. When you wear headgear people will hit you harder because they're under the false assumption that headgear prevents the brain from being knocked around. It protects your skin but not your noggin.
The other thing with headgear is that fighting is a game of inches (sometimes millimeters). I dodge punches with the least movement possible, and the extra 3/4" gear adds to my head screws up my distance. I end up getting hit when I wouldn't normally get hit without gear on
Anonymous at Sat, 8 Oct 2022 03:49:25 UTC No. 119661
>>119611
Im already retired from fighting and have no CTE or dementia. You don't actually want to participate in combat sports or do any kind of training so what is the actual point of you posting? Complaining about imaginary cases of CTE so you feel less like a pussy?
Anonymous at Fri, 14 Oct 2022 04:43:08 UTC No. 120634
>>119598
a lot of amateur kickboxing events where I live don't require headgear anymore.
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 07:58:27 UTC No. 120843
CTE is a meme of which the science for practically came out all at once and seems to be involved with basically every sport. I have a feeling there is an agenda behind keeping men away from competitive sports
Anonymous at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 21:43:23 UTC No. 120938
>>120843
You're not wrong
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Oct 2022 17:04:24 UTC No. 121050
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas
Sparring causes brain damage and brain damage is cumulative. These are facts. You don't need to spar to train striking, even amongst pro fighters sparring makes up an infinitesimally small portion of their training, and is arguably more of a mental preparation than anything else.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Oct 2022 17:06:27 UTC No. 121052
>>120843
>is meme
>well documented with mri pics of brains turned into Swiss cheese
>cope denial on the level of tards that used to pretend shell shock/ptsd isn't real
>muh agendas
Take your meds schizo
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Oct 2022 17:21:16 UTC No. 121055
>>119661
>larping this hard
Real fighters are talking about this, dealing with this. I don't know what your objective is here because denying CTE, saying it's imaginary, when there is shit tons of evidence and tons of concerned athletes speaking out about it, just makes you look like a retard.
Anonymous at Sun, 16 Oct 2022 23:28:39 UTC No. 121084
>>121055
>fails reading
>calls someone else retarded
Amazing
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:42:23 UTC No. 121140
>>121084
>claims to be retired fighter
>calls CTE is imaginary
What was missed here? Not saying a fighter can't retire without getting CTE. Just that you're a faggot larper saying shit no fighter would say.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Oct 2022 15:07:58 UTC No. 121151
>>121140
He’s got CTE, that’s why his ELA skills are lacking.
Anonymous at Mon, 17 Oct 2022 20:13:22 UTC No. 121205
>>121050
>The team found that, one hour after sparring, the participants showed impaired brain-to-muscle communications and decreased memory performance, relative to controls.
>After 24 hours, these effects returned to baseline.
The study said nothing new, it's well known that the harm caused by concussions can be reverted without any permanent damage.
Read before you post.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Oct 2022 15:51:58 UTC No. 121326
>>121205
It's also well known that the damage is cumulative and the more it happens the less you recover. Just because your brain can compensate after one session doesn't mean it can do it forever. Nice cherry picking though. The article clearly stated that doing it repetitively could have long term effects not covered by the study.
Anonymous at Tue, 18 Oct 2022 22:53:32 UTC No. 121351
>>121140
>>121151
>noooo you can't spar or do any kind of real martial arts training you'll get CTE
>anon thats bullshit you're just using that as an excuse not to train
>Enjoy your CTE and dementia lmao
>anon I don't have CTE or dementia. Stop making up imaginary cases of CTE
>WTF you think CTE is imaginary? Larp larp you've never done any training reeeeeeeee
>haha it must be the CTE
Both of you are fucking retards and should never post again
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 00:14:08 UTC No. 121364
>>121351
Lmao, your so concussed you don’t even realize how concussed you’re sound. Congrats on your early onset dementia.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 01:03:02 UTC No. 121365
>>121364
>doubles down on being a retard
You played the only card you had
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 01:12:49 UTC No. 121366
>>121365
Why did you throw the Jack of hearts away?
It was the only card in the deck that I had left to play
… And I'll say it again, I need a brand new friend
And I'll say it again, I need a brand new friend
And I'll say it again, I need a brand new friend, the end
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 02:04:49 UTC No. 121369
>>121365
>>doubles down on being a retard
Weird statement from a man made into a downie
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 02:32:18 UTC No. 121373
So basically this entire thread is people that have literally never stepped inside of a gym telling people not to do combat sports
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 04:33:55 UTC No. 121384
>>118631
You can absolutely do it like that, never let anyone force you to step in the ring if you arnt wanting to, CTE is absolutely, the former pro at my boxing gym suffers from it after taking too many hits, and he smartly retired before he turned himself Into a vegetable, there was a study done of the brains of american football players of various ages (after they had died of whatever) , from college onwards at least 95 percent of the brains autopsied had CTE, having your head punched on a regular basis, even if you dont get a concussion will give you brain damage, if your smart and take time off between hard knocks and don't spar every single session you'll probably be fine long term, it's the "she'll be right I'm a hard cunt" guys that keep going after they're hurt that really fuck themselves
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 06:20:01 UTC No. 121392
>>121373
Yup.
OP is way better off just watching a class or two of gyms in his area and seeing if they are smashing each other when sparing or if it's casual friendly.
I know plenty of old dudes that have all their marbles left because they train and spar with enough respect for each other to not dome people during sparing since no body is even learning anything doing that.
You ain't swinging for knockouts doing sparing, and most places I have been to mostly keep things light and playful during sparing, and save going super hard for pads and bags.
They are your friends and training buddies. You want to learn and teach each other.
You ain't fighting for real or actively trying to hurt your homies.
Never been to a gym where it was cool to try to knock someone's block off during training.
Most people got work the next day n shit and don't feel like a trip to the hospital.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:01:10 UTC No. 121421
>>121392
I guarantee them old dudes you talking about are dumb as shit, can't do complex mental talks or hold a steady hand and will definitely get dementia/Parkinson's/Alzheimer's before someone who didn't spend their life rattling their brain. Stfu and go get retarded.
Obviously you can be more careful about sparing, but you're acting like everyone you step into a ring with is gonna be that magical perfect partner when 90 percent of the time that aint true cause most of you faggots think it's about "you gotta know how to get hit"
This thread is full of dumbshits being trained by dumbshits. When pro fighters are looking for ways to cut down on sparring and you're sucking it off, obviously you're missing something.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:02:14 UTC No. 121422
>>121421
*tasks
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:06:58 UTC No. 121423
https://shortboxing.com/boxing-spar
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:45:13 UTC No. 121434
>>121421
Listen baby, I know you've been hurt a lot but you gotta understand that your experience isn't universal. Don't go to shit gyms and don't spar with shitty people and you won't have any brain damage. End of discussion.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 18:01:28 UTC No. 121451
>>121326
>Nice cherry picking though.
Ironic you should say that, considering the article doesn't actually confirm anything you said and infact only covers a small scope, for which both of your posts are irrelevant if you want to talk about long term damage. At least what I said is relevant to the article in question.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 20:34:57 UTC No. 121460
>>121373
Yes, and seething while they do it
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 20:38:57 UTC No. 121461
>>121421
You can't guarantee anything and you don't know shit. If you had every done any form of training or set foot inside of a gym you'd know that you have an oponion that has little to no basis in reality
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:04:03 UTC No. 121468
>>121421
Wow you don't know shit and you are totally talking out your ass.
The fact that you presume shit about people I know personally is just insane since you are just making blind incorrect spiteful baseless assertions just to be contrary.
what a jackass.
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Oct 2022 03:14:23 UTC No. 121488
>>121421
>I'm just going to keep making shit up
Why
Anonymous at Thu, 20 Oct 2022 18:07:13 UTC No. 121550
>>121421
Nobody is preventing you from hiding in the back of the library for the rest of your life
Anonymous at Fri, 21 Oct 2022 01:34:12 UTC No. 121603
>>121373
Yup. What motivates this level of seething and cope is well beyond my understanding
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Oct 2022 06:52:08 UTC No. 121950
>>121715
>implying you use your brain for anything since you post here
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Oct 2022 15:50:29 UTC No. 122123
>>121715
If you dont want to have any brain damage or take any risk to your body just lock yourself in bunker or something and stop shitting up the thread.
Anonymous at Mon, 24 Oct 2022 16:13:49 UTC No. 122125
>>118636
how about the industrial revolution
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Oct 2022 05:43:07 UTC No. 122234
>>118631
If you just light spar the brain damage is 0
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Oct 2022 21:12:54 UTC No. 122290
strengthen your neck
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/249
I can neck curl 60kg for 4x10 after years of training
disclaimer: I also squat 585, bench 354 and deadlift 640
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Nov 2022 17:10:20 UTC No. 126227
You need to spar if you want to learn how to defend yourself. Period.
You don't know how you'll react to getting punched until you get punched.
So it's the price you pay. You don't need to spar or fight as much as professionals, so your risks are lower, but there is a non-zero risk of brain damage involved.
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Dec 2022 23:58:35 UTC No. 129590
>>126227
right, but it doesn't need to be hard sparring. light sparring will suffice 90% of the time, and it even makes u a better fighter bc among other reasons, the refractory period is a lot shorter, meaning u can spar much more often: https://youtu.be/90B0Ard9emk
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 00:04:14 UTC No. 129591
light sparring is for PUSSIES
its like flag football or penny poker, it's the effeminate version of a masculine thing
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 00:45:51 UTC No. 129595
>>129591
Why do you like hard sparring so much if you don’t train? Do you just like watching real men give each other brain damage?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 01:12:27 UTC No. 129600
>>129591
Dutch kickboxing is based because of the expected hard sparring. Whenever we tried to do harder sparring in muay thai, my gymmates would always be pissed off between rounds that I'm hitting them hard. Like bro, this is what we've agreed on, why are you mad? I'm not even hitting 100%, I'm only going like 75% at best
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 01:22:07 UTC No. 129601
>>129600
what unit of measurement is used for the percentage of how hard sparring goes?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 01:23:39 UTC No. 129602
>>129595
you know you're not the only person who takes MT
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 01:46:20 UTC No. 129607
>>129601
Your individual effort?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 01:56:33 UTC No. 129608
>>129607
whats the difference between 79% and 83%? what's the forumla?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 01:57:06 UTC No. 129609
>>129608
>whats the difference between 79% and 83%?
Slightly more effort
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 01:59:56 UTC No. 129610
>>129609
Where is the line between hard and light sparring?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 02:45:46 UTC No. 129616
>>129610
Relative to your norm. What are these autistic questions
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 04:35:11 UTC No. 129621
>>129616
Autistic questions for autistic people.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:34:09 UTC No. 129714
>>129600
the problem is ur 75% may be someone else's 100% and vice versa. hence matching ur sparring partner's intensity is a must.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:49:28 UTC No. 129715
>>129621
I could already tell the autism by the first question, you don't need to ask more
>>129714
They've all held pads for me and vice versa, so they should know exactly what 100% feels like. But I live in a first world country where everyone thinks interacting with others is incredibly stressful and anxiety inducing
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Dec 2022 05:06:40 UTC No. 129774
>>121603
/xs/ is sadly full of tryhards and guys who want to look tough. The word "middleground" rarely seems to exist here
Anonymous at Tue, 27 Dec 2022 13:33:34 UTC No. 130646
>>129715
yeah and that 100% could still be too much for them. not everyone is equal in strength, so it's important u know ur strength and simply meet ur sparring partner at their intensity rather than using that outdated method of going whatever percentage.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Dec 2022 08:51:28 UTC No. 130715
>>130646
I already do that, which is the amusing part. I'm the one going light because I know how hard I can hit. I match them and some of them get butthurt. What I do know about everyone I've trained with, is that I'm the only one who does true blue collar work, so only I know what it feels like to really hurt. They're a bunch of glass cannons with a low caliber
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 03:45:57 UTC No. 130964
>>130715
You're probably just a retard who can't control himself and gets yelled at for going to hard. We have a couple guys like that at our gym and nobody wants to spar with them
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 04:31:47 UTC No. 130970
>>130964
No they're literally just pussies that can't take what they dish out. You know, normal city people
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 19:03:08 UTC No. 131027
>>129774
Post-2015 /pol/ replacing /b/ as the de-facto core board for 4chan entry culture has assured that nuance and shades of grey of any kind will get you labeled a weak, centrist cuck.
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 19:19:44 UTC No. 131032
>>131027
Which is absolutely retarded
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 19:48:32 UTC No. 131035
>>130970
>everyone else is the problem, not me
I bet you’re the kind of person who says this a lot in life.
Anonymous at Sat, 31 Dec 2022 21:24:45 UTC No. 131049
>>131035
I do, because people are generally incompetent and I've learned that its usually not me in the wrong.
Anonymous at Sun, 22 Jan 2023 19:03:13 UTC No. 133186
>>118631
You dont need to do competitive matches to learn Muay Thai. You can just train regular Muay Thai. Sparring isn't to the death, if the sparring is getting too serious in a Gym then your trainer is a dumbass.
You're not supposed to try and kill other people while training, you leave that for the real fights.
Anonymous at Sun, 22 Jan 2023 19:26:34 UTC No. 133188
>>118631
If you’ve ever prqcticed these martial arts, usually they have different sessions for practice and sparing. practice sessions ysually are about working on technique and conditioning, maybe doing some shoulder tag (trying to loosly touch opponents shoulder with fingers and defending to get a feel) but a lot of bag/movement/shadowboxingn etc. the other sessions they ask you to bring stuff like mouthgaurds and maybe give you headgear and you do more intermediary sparing. and really, if you arent doing full on compitions, there is little risk in either, but if you are really pissy you can just do the practice sessions.
Anonymous at Mon, 23 Jan 2023 00:20:55 UTC No. 133228
Just spar lightly on the head and strong on the body you bozos
Anonymous at Mon, 23 Jan 2023 15:01:26 UTC No. 133311
Why is everyone on 4chan a retard? OP can do exactly what he wants and is in fact common. Most people arent competative because it takes a long time to get at that level. Most people do it for excercise. I fucking hate this site.
Anonymous at Tue, 24 Jan 2023 10:11:23 UTC No. 133412
>>118631
Started doing kickboxing a couple of months ago
How do I get over the inhibition of not wanting to hit your sparring partner
I have a good amount of power and my technique is decent on mitts but when it comes to live sparring, I can't bring myself to actually make contact with the partners face, even though I know I probably won't hurt or damage them with it
Is this just something beginners go through and it gets easier with time or how do I fix this shit, I keep underperforming in sparring because of it and it pisses me off to no end
Anonymous at Sun, 29 Jan 2023 00:35:29 UTC No. 133954
>>133311
It got worse over the years but i consistently read retarded takes on /xs/
A lot of people here want to be ultra tough brawlers or some shit
Anonymous at Thu, 2 Feb 2023 03:48:49 UTC No. 134452
>>122290
underrated post
Anonymous at Thu, 2 Feb 2023 09:44:31 UTC No. 134477
>>118825
>“Dutch style” kickboxing
cmiiw isnt that style well known for doing hard spar a lot ???
Anonymous at Thu, 2 Feb 2023 09:45:57 UTC No. 134478
>>119371
>a bunch of autistic katas
im a retard and hate katas so fucking much
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Feb 2023 00:21:06 UTC No. 134579
>>118822
Big Amerikan bodies too stlong, must contlor stlength
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Feb 2023 19:14:49 UTC No. 134665
>>133412
If you're not trying against your sparring partner, then you're not respecting them. Let them figure out if they wanna get hit in the face by you, they decided to train just like you did.
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Feb 2023 20:15:05 UTC No. 134674
any advice for me? I want the opposite of OP: to spar hard all the time under competition-level training gym,but never actually compete except sparring matches with gym-comrades\visitors.
I might even go to different hard-spar gyms troughout the week.
>dont ask why. just dont.
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Feb 2023 21:07:55 UTC No. 134676
>>134477
yeah, and the reasoning for it originally was to make up for not having trained (let alone fought) from a young age like thaiboxers typically do in thailand, by effectively having several fights a week at the gym, not realizing most thaiboxers are completely burned out by their early 20s, bc they have a fight every week or two.
since a few years we've also discovered that hard sparring produces the averse affect, in the sense that one requires more time to recover, thus having less opportunities to spar, and becoming less good a fighter as a result. there are a few more reasons that increasingly, modern/scientifically-minded/functi
https://youtu.be/90B0Ard9emk
https://youtu.be/dm8bfDHrWMc
in life, generally speaking, trying to make up for lost time is futile. if we do, we tend to rush things and half ass them, which i've noticed is quite common in a lot of european and more broadly non-thai kickboxing gyms' training methodologies: instead of turning on the ball of one's foot when throwing a (round) kick for maximum efficiency, they drag their foot and end up having to constantly regain footing, restore balance, and return to their original stance. what i've noticed firsthand is in dutch kickboxing the emphasis is on power rather than technique, which i think is putting the cart before the horse, and this is one of the negative impacts dutch kickboxing has made on striking arts, unfortunately. it almost feels more like a cardio class than a technical class at the local (dutch) kb gym i train at.
as other anons have stated: dutch kb is excellent for serious competition (primarily in the sport of kb itself), but kind of a waste of time if u're only doing it recreationally (unless there's nothing better available nearby, like in my case).
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Feb 2023 21:10:19 UTC No. 134677
>>134674
most professional fighters barely spar hard. when they do spar, it's light most of the time. they spar hard maybe twice or thrice a month.
Anonymous at Fri, 3 Feb 2023 21:18:40 UTC No. 134679
>>134674
If you show up to multiple gyms with the intent to "spar hard" you're going to develop a reputation and most likely get your ass beat out of spite. Nobody wants to spar hard with somebody they don't trust, unless they don't care about hurting you.