Anonymous at Thu, 17 Nov 2022 20:38:29 UTC No. 125212

>>125195
>Just learn to wrestle or Judo so you don't end up on the ground on your back
>gets taken down
>mrkrabsmeme.jpg
Nice bait faggot

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Nov 2022 22:38:59 UTC No. 125226

>>125212

If you end up on the ground in street fight then fight is over. So you might as well learn wrestling or Judo instead. Only time fight isn't over is when you are on a beach in Brazil or in the MMA cage that's it. For every other situation/venue BJJ is pointless.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:19:19 UTC No. 125255

>>125195
>judo
Judo is more pussified than BJJ, they banned standing submissions because they're soft and you can't even gullotine without someone crying because their neck is sore.

>well that's just sport judo, I do judo the way some faggy nip in pyjamas taught 100s of years ago
The majority listen to the IJF and the highest level is IJF judo. You might as well say no BJJ gyms are real BJJ because they don't teach striking entries to grappling and teep kicks.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:32:09 UTC No. 125258

just don't be a nigger and don't fight on the streets.
niggers

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:55:21 UTC No. 125267

>>125226
>haven't competed since 2019
>was about to call you a faggot for saying standing subs are banned
>its true

what the fug

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 01:56:41 UTC No. 125268

>>125267
meant for >>125255

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:42:21 UTC No. 125273

>>125255

Fucking IJF. Making Judo as pussified as WT TKD. No one does freestyle wrestling and there's no ADCC Gi competition that rewards submissions as well as takedowns while preventing guard pulling.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:24:46 UTC No. 125285

>>125195
i got no other choice it’s the only grappling place in the area. I try to be more of a wrestler tho with top pressure, and takedowns

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:10:48 UTC No. 125292

>>125226
You don't train any of them so what does it matter?

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 05:47:51 UTC No. 125301

>>125292

Because people should know what arts suck and what don't.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 06:24:12 UTC No. 125302

>>125212
>wrestling and judo don't have ground work

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 11:03:45 UTC No. 125319

>>125302

They aren't ground fighting i.e. for gays like BJJ is. They are exciting with explosive takedowns and robustly heterosexual. And far more useful in a street fight than lying on the ground trying to get someone to sit in your guard like BJGay.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 17:03:01 UTC No. 125346

>>125319
I’m starting to think you might be the fag, faggot OP

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:15:33 UTC No. 125357

>>125195
>being so butthurt about the superiority of bjj that you make an entire thread about it
Let me guess, college wrestler that got submitted 4 times in 5 minutes by his blue belt friend?

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Nov 2022 21:32:12 UTC No. 125480

>>125195
Judo olympic gold medalists get tapped out by blue belts judo is a joke lol

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Nov 2022 22:08:46 UTC No. 125489

>>125480
>he actually believes this

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Nov 2022 00:10:16 UTC No. 125505

>>125480
Which judo Olympic gold medalists?

>>125319
I align more with what the late Carlson Gracie Sr. believed in; Strong heavy pressure on top. You only fight on the bottom as a weapon of last resort.

The reason why BJJ trains so intensively by fighting off the back is because it is the WORST position to be in. You know how to defend yourself against someone trying to rain down strikes on you while grappling on the ground to secure a submission, you're already a league ahead in the survival game. BJJ pressure-tested itself constantly from street fights and Vale Tudo matches to address ground-and-pound as well as dirty boxing/clinch fighting while transitioning to a better position for a joint-lock or choke.

I love an explosive takedown too which is why anyone with gray matter would train in wrestling or judo WITH BJJ. I personally do judo and BJJ because my coach was a judoka who had bad knees and focused a lot on newaza. When BJJ became mainstream in the late 90's, he incorporated it into his curriculum and it's pretty seamless. Plus it helps that I wrestled in high school so I have a fair sense of balance and tripping people.

>>125273
ADCC has the best submission grappling rules in my opinion. Even better than the IBJJF's Gi and No-Gi competition.

Anonymous at Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:07:21 UTC No. 126031

>>125505

Agree with all of this. I think an ADCC Gi competition would fix both Judo and BJJ'sbl weaknesses.

Anonymous at Thu, 24 Nov 2022 03:00:28 UTC No. 126041

Its only useless if you dont pair it with a striking sport

Anonymous at Thu, 24 Nov 2022 04:44:49 UTC No. 126050

>>126041

As well as an art that actually does take downs like wrestling or Judo.

Anonymous at Thu, 24 Nov 2022 06:35:09 UTC No. 126057

>>126041
>>126050
>it’s only useless if you don’t train other martial arts that don’t suck
Lmfao this is exactly what people used to say about aikido.

Anonymous at Thu, 24 Nov 2022 22:40:29 UTC No. 126141

>>126057

No argument here. I'm the OP. That's my entire issue with BJJ it's only the best in a very specific domain. One which I don't think really occurs in real life self defence situations. So I don't think it should have eclipsed almost all other arts in the way it has. Boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, and Judo are better imho for most people & most situations. It's just best for the cage

Anonymous at Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:32:16 UTC No. 126396

>>125212
i just like to fuck up skelly 6'6 guys being their same weight or heavier makes judo trowhs perfecr

Anonymous at Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:41:17 UTC No. 126398

>>126057
aikido is useless to fuck up people.
boxing isnt.

Anonymous at Sat, 26 Nov 2022 18:46:03 UTC No. 126409

>>126398

Eh I think Aikido is as shit as the next person but breaking a dude's wrist will definitely fuck them up. Maybe more so than a knockout.

Anonymous at Sat, 26 Nov 2022 22:18:05 UTC No. 126446

>>126398
Your goal in a self-defense situation shouldn't be to fuck somebody up anyhow purely for liability reasons.

Anonymous at Sun, 27 Nov 2022 14:17:27 UTC No. 126527

>>125195
>get taken down
>sweep the illiterate nigger which is OP
>ameracana his tiny arms

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Nov 2022 23:15:34 UTC No. 127252

>>125258
>just don't be a nigger and don't fight on the streets

correct.

Holy shit the cope from the people though: oh, sure you can tap me in 14 seconds if we actually wrestled. but what if you were in a bar and 20 dudes with automatic rifles, covered by 2 snipers on the rooftops across the street, walked up to you and started a fight? then what would you do ground boi?

idk. die I guess?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 00:22:44 UTC No. 127257

>>125226
>If you end up on the ground in street fight* then fight is over.

* and you don't know any sweeps or escapes taught in BJJ

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 00:28:58 UTC No. 127259

>>125195
>K1 should have become the dominant martial art & combat sport
Why K1 and not Thai Kickboxing?
Can't stand watching the referee intervene breaking the clinch. Or the lack of elbows and throws that would make the clinch game interesting.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 03:06:38 UTC No. 127284

>>125255
Training mixed martial arts you practice striking to submission grappling. Most jiu jitsu implements strike to submission set ups. Street fights go all over the place and leg riding and backpacking as well as getting to mount happen all the time. Not to mention arm bars

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 11:15:01 UTC No. 127309

>>125319
t. has no idea what wrestling is, has never even seen wrestling footage much less been inside a wrestling class

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 11:27:45 UTC No. 127311

>>127259

Removes it too much from boxing as fighters have to use a high Thai stance not a boxing guard and stance. Clinch is just grappling which is teh gay. Look at these alpha chads K1 kickboxers compared to gay lady boy Nak Muay with their clinching.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:04:19 UTC No. 127314

>>127311
I may just be biased as a tall person. When I see a K1 fight I see taller fighters trying to keep at range then when the shorter guy pressures, my instinct tells he should go for the clinch (taller fighters have leverage advantage) and/or throw elbows. Essentially minimize time at mid range. But due to the ruleset this strategy isn't possible in K1, and I just become frustrated. Can't stand to watch boxing either because of the constant ref intervention.

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 02:58:18 UTC No. 127458

>>126141
>One which I don't think really occurs in real life self defence situations
people generally go to the ground though and most people have no idea what to do from there
>Boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, and Judo
baring boxing not all of those are available in most countries easily, and wrestling/judo are hard to train past mid teens on the body
muay thai generally has a high standard of fitness and has associations with high damage
boxing sure

bjj you can generally go all out in and not take any damage

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Dec 2022 16:18:07 UTC No. 127534

>>125480
Who?

Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 21:11:12 UTC No. 128072

>>127259
>>127311
>>127314
K-1 used to allow full Muay Thai rules in special cases like a title match for the WMTC and other organizations at stake.

Elbows can end fights too quickly with cuts and the potential of a guy's eyeball popping out. Especially amongst the heavyweights. When Ishii first conceived K-1, it was meant as a neutral stage so that all stand-up fighters whether US full-contact karate (kicks above the waist and wearing those long pants), Muay Thai, Dutch Kickboxing, Knockdown Karate (Kyokushin and its offshoots like Seidokaikan, Ashihara, Enshin, etc.) and other disciplines could pit against one another.

I agree with having throws. Adding those puts an interesting dimension during clinching and neck-wrestling because they'll neutralize someone knee-blasting you constantly.

Outside of K-1, Japanese Kickboxing has always embraced elbows, knees, and clinching. New Japan Kickboxing Federation is as close to Muay Thai rules except for scoring criteria where a punch, kick, knee, and elbow are all scored equally.

Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 22:29:06 UTC No. 128078

>>125226
>fight is over
Not if you took the motherfucker down.

Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 22:50:55 UTC No. 128081

>>128072

Do you or anyone else know if One Championship Muay Thai uses that Japanese style scoring I.e. Punches equal points to kicks or the Thai kick focused scoring?

Anonymous at Mon, 5 Dec 2022 23:06:29 UTC No. 128083

>>128081
I'm certain ONE MT rules match what it is in Lumpini or Rajadamnern judging from what I've seen in past fights. But ONE's Kickboxing is probably closer to the Japanese scoring system.

>>128078
Not the anon, you're responding to, but it all depends. A good throw can literally smash a guy's head open or break their neck.

I would only go into submission grappling if I know I have no choice and his buddies aren't there to jump you. Otherwise, it's always better to be on your feet outside of a MMA match.