🧵 The next logical step in fighting sports
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Dec 2022 18:49:14 UTC No. 128990
How would you create a team fighting sport? For instance, 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4. What would the meta look like, at least initially? I bet it would infact be primarily striking since going to the ground would be an incredible risk.
For instance, maybe something like a scaled-down version of Russian stenka:
>The "wall-on-wall" fight (with anywhere from dozen to several hundreds participants) was performed strictly by rules and could go on for hours. Both "walls" had a chief fighter, who served as a tactician and a commanding officer. "Walls" themselves were tight straight formations 3-4 ranks deep. Repeated attacks were performed, aiming to push the opposing "wall" out of the game area. Basic tactics were used, such as breaching using heavy fighters (who were usually held in reserve), encircling, false retreat and others; but as a rule, tight wall formation never broke. Tactics also included battle planning.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Dec 2022 19:00:30 UTC No. 128993
>>128990
Rugby. Gridiron football. These already simulate pre gunpowder battle tactics
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Dec 2022 19:21:41 UTC No. 128994
>>128993
I'm thinking more 4-8 people locked into a bigger octagon together, with a focus on KOs, submissions, or points to win
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Dec 2022 20:08:54 UTC No. 128997
Tag team boxing
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Dec 2022 00:41:05 UTC No. 129059
>>128990
We already got Calcio
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Dec 2022 08:01:02 UTC No. 129078
>>128997
This but MMA. How the fuck doesn't it exist already?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Dec 2022 15:17:11 UTC No. 129095
>>129078
No one would legally sanction it except in Russia or somewhere where it already exists. In the West it would be deemed too dangerous, it would be too hard to judge, it would be too expensive to run competitions based on medical and judging/refeering costs.
There are already full-contact team sports like American/Canadian/Austrailian football and Rugby which would draw too many of the same fans for it to be competitive with viewers.
Anonymous at Wed, 25 Jan 2023 00:07:32 UTC No. 133497
>>128990
Something like MvC2 or SNK, where a fighter tags out when they tap, get subbed, or get knocked out. Something like tag team wrestling.
>>128997
>>129078
unironically great ideas.
>>129095
>>131217
brawling in hockey is very messy and ghetto/ratchet, something more organized would be cool.
Anonymous at Wed, 25 Jan 2023 22:16:17 UTC No. 133611
There's an event or two for grappling tournaments that use total team poundage, spread across competitors. Obviously that gets dicey for striking, but it's interesting as a potential "last man out" win condition in an all styles submission tournament.
Anonymous at Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:22:29 UTC No. 133613
>>128990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mQ
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Feb 2023 23:10:15 UTC No. 135096
It exists already, Poland is reigning champs, naturally. The meta is literally first team to get somebody out in the 1v1s wins through consequent teaming up on single opponents.
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Feb 2023 11:55:22 UTC No. 135174
>>128990
Team fighting already exists and is boring, basically the first team to lose a guy loses the match as the spare dude on the other team gangs up on one of the smaller team men and then when the 2v1 fight quickly ends in the 2s favour they then form a 3v1 and so on. You would need a lot of people to mitigate this. Enough people so that losing a couple of guys doesn't just basically end the match.
Anonymous at Sat, 11 Feb 2023 18:24:15 UTC No. 135590
>>135174
agree this is what happens. so you have to keep the numbers on each team equal throughout. when one team gets a ko or sub their team should get a point, but then one of their team members should have to exit the cage along with the finished fighter of the other team.
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Feb 2023 11:48:18 UTC No. 135659
>>135590
Then you might as well just have N individual fights and then just tally up the score. And if you have that why not just dispense with the scoring and teams entirely? Team fighting sounds interesting, like some old caveman fighting thing, but in reality fighting is an individual sport. Small scale hand to hand fighting has always been a one on one affair.
Anonymous at Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:47:27 UTC No. 135715
>>135590
>>135659
the team mates could still strategize on who to keep in play to give their team the best chance at winning. they could also try to do tactics like ganging up on the strongest guy of the other team in a blitz style at the start to get him out quicker, could be difficult to pull off, but its possible some interesting dynamics could be born of it. ive seen matches where it's 2v2 or 5v5 or so and yeah, as soon as one team loses one they've lost the whole fight. keeping the team numbers equal throughout is the only way to keep it competitive. though it might be interesting if they allow for some freak match ups like 3 fly weights vs 1 ngannou.
Anonymous at Thu, 16 Feb 2023 09:53:07 UTC No. 136135
>>135715
For the first mode the strategy is simple, keep the bigger and better team-mates in for longer, not a lot of thinking needs to go on. As for a few people ganging up on one fighter that won't work if there are equal people because putting all your attention on to one dude means you are super vulnerable as your back is turned, meaning you have like less than a second to do damage to one dude before your back gets taken and you lose. So that's why people fight one on one, because if they turn to face someone then they turn away from someone else.
So there really isn't a lot of strategy involved in team fighting because it's not like a relay, just a bunch of one on one fights. This makes team fighting a mostly pointless exercise.
If you really wanted a relay system then you could just have one fight going on and have team-mates tag in at certain points. So maybe you are a striker and someone gets on the ground, then maybe you tag in your grappler buddy to take things from there. But if you have either a finite number of tags or a cooldown between tags or a set tag order then there are constraints that you can actually build a strategy around. If you tag in the grappler and the other guy gets up then your grappler is facing a striker and so you might lose by KO etc.
Strategy requires constraints, and there really aren't any in an mma match, that's kind of the point, so teamfighting mma is kind of useless.
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Feb 2023 00:56:49 UTC No. 136297
>>135715
What if they gave each team a weight limit
Anonymous at Sat, 18 Feb 2023 04:16:18 UTC No. 136312
>>128990
Weight vs weight, teams can be pitted in uneven numbers as long as each participant falls under the allowed weight category, pankration rules other than no "stomps" on the grounded opponent or strikes to the back. Referee can call out any fighter that can't defend himself properly and has taken too many hits etc or gets bloodied out.