Anonymous at Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:49:56 UTC No. 141774

Unless you're not spending a lot of time training MMA, imo, endurance style weight training is a waste of time. Explosive, isometric, eccentric/concentric ramping loads, beginning/end of ROM focus, all would provide more benefits. Especially if you're not geared up like Bas definitely was, and Fedor may have been. If you're only training one or two days a week, then sure there's some real benefit to high rep work programs. No one in the fight game likes to really talk about it, but S&C is still in its infancy as far as programming. Especially because of how many different specialists still exist.

Anonymous at Sat, 8 Apr 2023 16:06:35 UTC No. 141775

>>141772
You should incorporate kettlebell training instead, you would get more or less the same benifits plus a lower risk of injuring yourself

Anonymous at Sat, 8 Apr 2023 16:06:36 UTC No. 141776

>>141774
>geared up like Bas

I don't think Bas was taking drugs while training, seems more like something he would hit before fights. Even that stuff wasn't super-test gear made to make you really strong. Just stuff to make you more agile and less receptive to pain like morphine and hydrocodone.

Anonymous at Sat, 8 Apr 2023 19:05:38 UTC No. 141790

He did supersets. He would do 3x25 of an exercise and he wouldn't do incredibly heavy lifts (at least to my knowledge.) He would just do lifts that he could do explosively fast for the power and he would do them over and over for the stamina. So not so much endurance training as more of a controlled stamina training. You can definitely build serious strength with this, maybe not 900 lb. deadlift strength but you can definitely get somewhere with it. If you did compounds at lower weight for 25 reps, you would get bigger and stronger. Start at like a 95 lb. bench and do that 25 times really hard and fast then do something else for 25 reps.

Anonymous at Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:03:17 UTC No. 143796

>>141772
>I know this sounds more /fit/ than /xs/ but /fit/ is pretty horrible and full of coomerbait and this board seems more helpful.
It's sport-specific, so it belongs here.

In fact, those fat guys with their one general over there belong here, seeing as how none of them can successfully run a 5k.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 May 2023 17:20:03 UTC No. 144797

Yeah /fit/ is infested with demotivators and their bots. Anyway, I love reading about creative training routines. Bas had fun ideas. https://youtu.be/qgvklHZSsmE
Bruce Lee did "launch curls"(look it up). Be like them and make up your own theory lol.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 May 2023 17:38:47 UTC No. 144800

>>141772
It's one of those things that shouldn't work but do work.
The whole high rep paradigm was already in place in early 1900s pro boxing where fighters were routinely doing 100 push ups, hundreds of situps and 50 chin ups as a baseline fitness workout.

I'm experimenting with it now, it really seems to work. Punches and kicks are heavier than before.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 May 2023 17:39:50 UTC No. 144801

>>141774
You do the exercises explosively. Think rope jumping.
gif related.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 May 2023 17:44:01 UTC No. 144802

>>141774
>No one in the fight game likes to really talk about it, but S&C is still in its infancy as far as programming.
lol, you just don't understand that different sports have different demands than powerlifting.

Power endurance (That's the technical term) training has been the norm in combat sports for over a century. The first time it was really done in a way close to modern methods was in 1889 when William Muldoon trained Sullivan for the last bare knuckle fight ever with Kilrain (introducing rope skipping and medicine ball work for boxers for the first time ever in modern history). Even before, pugilists liked to use very light dumbbells and clubs to do 300-500 reps of exercises, according to pretty much every manual on the subject.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 May 2023 17:48:45 UTC No. 144803

>>144802
Also explosive/ballistic exercises were done as far back as ancient Greece and that didn't change throughout the middle ages and renaissance (Jumping, throwing, sprinting...).
However, we don't know how exactly they programmed it (sets? reps?), so this may or may not be related.

Pic related showing Swiss mercenaries training in the 15th century. As you can see, it's more or less the same as the ancient Greek pentathlon.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 May 2023 17:52:16 UTC No. 144805

>>141790
He did 30 reps.

Here is a video workout from his old Pancrase tape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ghRVlhWtiU

Anonymous at Thu, 11 May 2023 20:14:28 UTC No. 145970

Speaking of Bas, look at this(new); https://youtu.be/4gc2Ml5wlGE

Anonymous at Tue, 16 May 2023 13:53:30 UTC No. 146555

>>141774
Hard disagree. The whole motion should have equal focus. I can't stand people that just vomit a bunch of Kinesiology vocabulary words and don't connect any of it. When it comes to conditioning for martial arts and combat sports the focus should always been on endurance. Everything you just emphasized should come through skill training. But conditioning that follows a slow & steady progression with emphasis on full ROM & flexibility is where you find your golden zone. The optimal fitness balance between strength & speed, with enough endurance to be virtually immune to getting gassed.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 May 2023 13:56:18 UTC No. 146556

>>144802
This. Conditioning for martial arts/combat sports should always focus on power & strength endurance.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 May 2023 22:45:31 UTC No. 146628

10x3 Bench giant sets instead of rest time u do pull-ups and burpees like 3 rep Bench 8 rep pull-ups and do burpees til rest time is done and use like 80% of your Bench max "sport specific" conditioning is why they need steroids to be strong at a higher level while me the autistic deadlifts 300kg natty at 220

Anonymous at Tue, 16 May 2023 22:46:40 UTC No. 146629

>>146628
220lbs I'm canadian and we mix kg and lbs or I do

Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 09:28:18 UTC No. 149982

Wow