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Anonymous at Sat, 8 Apr 2023 23:31:30 UTC No. 141823
Would he become a UFC champion if he lived today and tried to do it?
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Apr 2023 01:06:06 UTC No. 141833
Probably not, but maybe. Problem is he never tried to compete in the combat sports of his own time so we do not know his potential as an athlete in competition.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Apr 2023 03:24:02 UTC No. 141840
>>141823
Sort of a stupid question-
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Apr 2023 04:06:30 UTC No. 141845
>>141823
Probably not but I wish he had competed so people would finally shut the fuck up about it. At least chuck Norris was a real point fighting champion.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Apr 2023 09:45:29 UTC No. 141868
>>141823
No. He was a actor first.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Apr 2023 15:40:01 UTC No. 141896
>>141823
not even remotely, unless he trained for it. If he trained for it then maybe. Bruce lee was fast, very athletic, very strong. He had some skill, and he was experimenting with moves that people at the time weren't really aware of, but in his body in his prime with just the skills he had while he was alive? He'd get his shit rocked by the average mma fighter, much more by a champ.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Apr 2023 20:37:08 UTC No. 141950
>>141823
If you gave him time to learn about modern MMA then he'd probably had a chance, dude was obsessed with training and extremely athletic.
No way he's winning against a champion with his current skillset though.
Anonymous at Sun, 9 Apr 2023 20:44:32 UTC No. 141952
>>141823
Why would a professional actor who had a body fitness "influencers" envy take such a major step down in pay and risk their career for chump change in comparison to what they could make doing film and advertising?
Fact of the matter is being a mma fighter doesn't actually pay all that well compared to the alternatives he would have available.
Even doing a circuit of seminars would pay him better and more consistently than being a pro mma fighter.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Apr 2023 00:26:55 UTC No. 141972
>>141823
Probably not. But there's no reason he couldn't be a good pro flyweight.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Apr 2023 12:30:40 UTC No. 142017
>>141823
This is a "what came first - the chicken or the egg?" type of question, because his philosophy made MMA into what it is. Jeet Kune Do as an art is supposed to take all the moves from other arts that are effective into a singular "style without style", proto-MMA.
He had the same approach about diet and exercise, trying everything to minmax even though information was scarce at that time. I think the pill intake fucked him up physically.
Today, he would definitely be in the shape to look and fight like a competitive flyweight, but fighting is a mental sport as well. His passion might not translate to competition. Maybe a coaching role would be better for such a curious guy.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Apr 2023 14:43:19 UTC No. 142019
>>141950
>current skill set
Being dead is the ultimate skill set. It makes you immune to pain. I bet he’d never tap.
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Apr 2023 14:44:58 UTC No. 142020
>>142017
> This is a "what came first - the chicken or the egg?" type of question, because his philosophy made MMA into what it is.
Good God shut the fuck up. Bruce lee did not invent mixing martial arts you retard and had literally zero effect on the pro fighting scene.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Apr 2023 01:00:53 UTC No. 142085
>>142020
Extremely based post
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Apr 2023 02:23:45 UTC No. 142098
>>142020
>had literally zero effect on the pro fighting scene
Arguably American full contact karate or the long pants kickboxing is heavily influenced by Bruce Lee. What with the side stance and side kick use and some of the early champions like Joe Lewis being regular training partners with Bruce.
As far as mma goes maybe Bruce Lee inspired many Americans to be more open minded to cross training, but yeah there are better figures on the influence of early mma. Pankration and shootfighting in Japan, combat sambo, and Vale Tudo all predate Bruce Lee and were happening while he was on the scene too so yeah nothing else to say there.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:35:58 UTC No. 142135
>>141823
absolutely. only a fool would disagree
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Apr 2023 17:22:07 UTC No. 142425
>>142017
>>142098
isnt "everything goes" just the Default style of fighting for humans, and sports just codified it into a ...sport, without the biting or eye-gouing and lip-ripping part?
>strangely enough, most ritualized fighting in indigeneous tribes was relatively mild. Inuit, mapuche, etc, had blow-for-blow boxing and no bone crushing stuff
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Apr 2023 17:31:59 UTC No. 142426
>>142425
Yes, but sports have optimized this innate violence with technique, there are a lot of moving parts that go into a successful kick, punch, takedown and chokehold
Hence why any random person off the street usually gets smoked on their first day of training.
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Apr 2023 17:37:20 UTC No. 142429
>>142098
>Bruce lee invented side kicks and blades stances
This is what leetards actually believe.
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Apr 2023 17:38:04 UTC No. 142430
>>142426
meh, I dunno. I once read a story by a cope about a nigger who was high on angel dust and he kept fighting the cops even tho his arm was literally hanging off a thread of skin (it was shot by a shotgun)
wasnt there an MMA champ who got home-invaded and he only barely won against the intruder?
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Apr 2023 20:08:09 UTC No. 142455
>>142098
>Pankration and shootfighting in Japan
Shootboxing and Shooto didn't start in Japan until 1985. Jim Arvanitis was working on the idea of modern Pankration in the late 60s, but it wasn't actually a sport until later. Unless you meant Pancrase in Japan, but that started in the 90s.
Japan surprisingly didn't start kickboxing as a sport until 1966, though there were a few karate vs. Muay Thai fights leading up to that. You're right about other places like Brazil and Thailand being ahead of the American scene back then though.
>>142429
Yeah, the part about side kicks and bladed stances is obviously wrong. Bruce actually improved his sidekick from training with Lewis (sidekicks were his specialty). He's right though about Lee training with people involved with early American kickboxing. Lee was a big influence on Joe Lewis in particular, and Lewis shared what Lee taught. Other early kickboxers like Howard Jackson were taught Lee's theories through Lewis. You can see in this old magazine that Lewis talks about his fighting style's Jeet Kune Do influence.
https://www.backkicks.com/joe-lewis
>I would say that the emphasis of my particular style is placed on footwork, movement patterns using the five angles of attack which are demonstrated in the Jeet Kundo style of Bruce Lee such as the direct angular attack, indirect angular attack, combination angular attack, arm and leg immobilization angular attack, and the offset or broken rhythm angular attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3y
Other former students like Dan Inosanto left a mark through Jeet Kune Do schools. Some big name MMA coaches came out of the JKD community too (Erik Paulson, Ray Longo, and Greg Nelson, among others). So between the schools he started and his influence on early kickboxing, Bruce definitely had some direct impact on professional fighting. That said, his biggest impact of course was popularizing martial arts and inspiring tons of people.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 13 Apr 2023 20:21:07 UTC No. 142458
>>141823
Bas Rutton's take on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmM
>>141840
>>141896
Basically this. He was in great shape and extremely dedicated. He had a great mind for martial arts. But he never had a fighting career and things have evolved massively since then. So obviously not if you just plucked him from the past and made him fight. Honestly, I doubt anybody taken directly from back then would become a modern UFC champion.
If he was born and raised in modern times, he would be exposed to completely different environment. So then you're basically asking if Bruce as a completely different guy would be successful. Assuming his personality stayed the same, you can say generic things like he'd be open-minded and dedicated to training. But ultimately this kind of speculation seems pointless to me, there's too many variables and unknowns to say anything meaningful.
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Apr 2023 20:22:48 UTC No. 142459
>>141823
Bas Rutten's take on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmM
>>141840
>>141896
Basically this. He was in great shape and extremely dedicated. He had a great mind for martial arts. But he never had a fighting career and things have evolved massively since then. So obviously not if you just plucked him from the past and made him fight. Honestly, I doubt anybody taken directly from back then would become a modern UFC champion.
If he was born and raised in modern times, he would be exposed to completely different environment. So then you're basically asking if Bruce as a completely different guy would be successful. Assuming his personality stayed the same, you can say generic things like he'd be open-minded and dedicated to training. But ultimately this kind of speculation seems pointless to me, there's too many variables and unknowns to say anything meaningful.
Anonymous at Thu, 13 Apr 2023 22:42:44 UTC No. 142473
>>142098
>>142455
*Should've added that shootfighting/shoot wrestling of course came before the sports derived from it. Gotch was in Japan training wrestlers back in the 70s, and you had the Ali vs Inoki fight. I'm just talking about the timeline anyway, I agree with your main point about early MMA.
Anonymous at Wed, 19 Apr 2023 05:19:17 UTC No. 142996
>>142455
>Bruce actually improved his sidekick from training with Lewis
I posted that going off memory. While looking for the source, I found this video where Joe talks about how Bruce helped him improve his sidekick. Figured I'd share it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxm
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Apr 2023 04:21:30 UTC No. 143386
He trained under IP man and could do a 1 finger push-up. I would def train under him
Anonymous at Sun, 23 Apr 2023 17:44:41 UTC No. 143438
>>141950
>No way he's winning against a champion with his current skillset though.
>/xs/: Eye jabs and knee kicks don't work!
>Jon Jones: Hold my beer.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 20:27:20 UTC No. 145745
>>141823
Despite the fact that Bruce Lee had experience in Street Fighting and in competition, reality is that martial arts have develope a lot since the times of Bruce, many of bruce's movemets have been already contrasted in MMA fights,
Anonymous at Wed, 10 May 2023 02:18:10 UTC No. 145773
>>141823
>and tried to do it?
we are assuming he actually went through the proper modern training for the sport?
well it's possible because he obviously had a strong work ethic and was disciplined with his diet and exercise regiment
the one huge knock against him is he's asian and they're just naturally physically weak. It's why you rarely see an asian achieve the highest levels of the sport. Despite being the largest ethnic group on the planet they cant seem to reach heights greater than a decent journeyman
Anonymous at Wed, 10 May 2023 10:23:40 UTC No. 145793
>>145745
Point is that, were he alive, he would have evolved as a fighter too. That's the point of Jeet Kune Do. It's not a style, but a mindset. If anything people that study or practice "Jeet Kune Do" are actually training Bruce Lee's style. Which ironically goes against what he told as he would probably not feel offended if you were to disregard one of his kicks because you just can't do it properly.
Anonymous at Wed, 10 May 2023 19:48:45 UTC No. 145861
>>145793
My favorite thing about bruce lee is he just plagiarized all of his talking points from asian philosophers and introduced them to Americans as though he came up with it
His entire revolutionary JKD philosophy is just regurgitating musashis 21 precepts
Numbers 11, 14, 15, and 16 specifically
Anonymous at Wed, 10 May 2023 19:56:34 UTC No. 145862
>>145773
>he's asian and they're just naturally physically weak
They actually may be the strongest race pound-for-pound, which isn't a 1:1 marker for success in American mixed martial arts promotions:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ioeeTmGJBi
Also, Bruce was mixed race Eurasian.
Anonymous at Thu, 11 May 2023 05:14:27 UTC No. 145906
>>145862
just like their cars they may be smaller and more efficient, but at the end of the day horse power is all that really matters
Anonymous at Thu, 11 May 2023 21:16:10 UTC No. 145980
>>145862
Not watching the video. Asians are fragile with thais and mongols being the exception
Anonymous at Thu, 11 May 2023 22:20:56 UTC No. 145996
>>141823
He would unironically get his ass whooped.
Many people have already exposed him, just watch the last hour of Tarantino’s interview with Joe Rogan
Anonymous at Sun, 14 May 2023 19:08:38 UTC No. 146343
>>145996
Yeah. Like Tarantino is more credible than Chuck Norris, Jackie Chan, IP man and Jhoon Rhee
HAHAHAHA
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:47:38 UTC No. 149287
No he had a broken back and never competed.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 10:36:38 UTC No. 149296
We don't know. He obviously had great working ethic and was obviously very talented in striking, a very athletic guy. But we don't know how good he would be in grappling.
>>142017
MMA was mostly advanced because the Gracies in Brazil wanted to prove they had the best martial art and started challenging others to no holds barred fighting.
>>145996
Come on, Tarantino is a movie director, not a specialist in martial arts.
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Jun 2023 12:17:20 UTC No. 152837
Ok>>149291