Anonymous at Sun, 7 May 2023 22:28:53 UTC No. 145350

>>145348
boxers already have sub 85 IQs because you need to be to ever think it's a good idea to do that, so the difference isn't noticeable

Fighting is an absolutely (literally) retarded past time
training on the other hand is perfectly fine
if you're training somewhere that has you taking full power shots to the head then you're at the wrong place. You can train at near close to full speed without full power in head shots

Anonymous at Sun, 7 May 2023 22:48:09 UTC No. 145351

>>145348
Only about 20% of pro boxers have cte and it usually starts after 12-16 years of career. Of course some get it faster but I think it's unlikely to get it after a few years of training for fun and a few amateur fights. If your are scared of it anyways, you can just do grappling.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 May 2023 00:56:51 UTC No. 145370

>>145348
cardiovascular exercise creates new brain cells so you're good. Look it up.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 May 2023 03:23:35 UTC No. 145400

I don't fight but I've worked a number of local small time mma events and it's very clear which people have been taking punches to the head recreationally. I recommend avoiding it.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 May 2023 04:21:20 UTC No. 145407

>>145348
No, it's not sustainable to take repeated blows to the head.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 May 2023 04:42:54 UTC No. 145414

>>145348
After 9 years I’ve come to the conclusion that martial arts are an absolutely terrible way to stay in shape. Just through grappling I’ve sustained an unacceptable amount of injuries. If you want to be healthier, just start lifting and running. The only reason to get involved in this shit is because you really like fighting.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 May 2023 13:10:49 UTC No. 145451

1. Simply cut down on heavy sparring, light sparring is the best way to catch up on fight time, plus a veteran needs to know how to defend himself, it's not like an elderly man is in his first class.

2. Train with people at or below your weight, self explanatory.

3. Grappling and throwing are good ways to get hurt, I've seen countless injuries in bjj and mma, while in kickboxing only one broken arm, and that was from a fall.

4. Just do it, run, bag and brace are 90% of the time.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 May 2023 13:26:22 UTC No. 145456

I couldn't cope with it. All my BJJ and judo buddies older than 35 were completely fucked up and getting hit in the head for fun with any frequency is discouraged in the strongest possible terms by neurologists and sports medicine specialists. I stopped training. Maybe I'll get into kendo and pretend that the head hits are negligible since I miss training so much.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 May 2023 13:57:21 UTC No. 145467

>>145351
I'm curious how that figure is calculated. The landmark study done on boxers and football players revealed a rate of around 99%. CTE can only be diagnosed after death with a brain biopsy. If only 20% of former pro boxers have symptoms of CTE then that's not surprising or comforting. CTE can take a while to manifest and often disguises itself with the aging process.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 May 2023 14:30:20 UTC No. 145478

>>145467
I draw attention to one point, professionals or serious amateurs train every day for hours, I find it difficult to compare this with the average practitioner of 3 hours a week, with sporadic sparring.

Anonymous at Mon, 8 May 2023 14:50:06 UTC No. 145483

>>145478
Of course. My concern is that while hobbyist training might not inevitably end in dramatic CTE, like pro training seems to do to pros. It still might result in brain damage that is more insidious. It's a personal assessment on whether the benefits of training outweigh this, but cognitive dysfunction is basically my biggest fear in life so I'm pretty freaked out by it.

Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 05:35:54 UTC No. 145660

They really don't want us to have anything huh

Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 06:21:08 UTC No. 145665

>>145478
most pro boxers don't spar as much though, bc they have enough experience fighting full contact, no? and when they do spar it's mostly light, from what i've heard. if they or their coach/trainer is smart about it, at least.

Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 17:45:43 UTC No. 145719

>>145665
Is light sparring even helpful? Wouldn't it ruin your instincts? In a real fight they don't hold back

Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 18:15:49 UTC No. 145722

>>145719
Light sparring is the main thing, you get to practice the strikes and dodge times, fight flow and try new things.

Imagine a rookie learning lateral dodge, he goes to heavy sparring, he can't apply and stops trying, he develops the habit of just blocking.

Now imagine the same rookie practicing with light sparring, he manages to apply it and in the fight he has one more tool.

Heavy sparring more than 1/month is to burn the practitioner's potential.

NOTE: I trained for a while at Chute Boxe in Curitiba, the rule there was the survival of the fittest, no one got better training there, he only managed to survive because he was already strong. See what happened to Wanderlei, it's the result of constant heavy sparring. Also, until about 15 years ago they practiced absorption on the face.

Anonymous at Tue, 9 May 2023 18:22:03 UTC No. 145723

>>145722
I remember reading a Wanderlei quote where he said that at chute box they used to try to knock each other out because they thought it built up chin. Insanity. At least he's discouraging that kind of training to the new generation. Shame he had to learn the hard way.

Anonymous at Wed, 10 May 2023 14:25:26 UTC No. 145810

>>145723
>>145722
Similar toughness mentality with the Lion's den guys, just turned towards conditioning. In both cases they managed a short term run of high level fighters, there's just no sustainability in it, even with no restrictions in ped usage.

Anonymous at Wed, 10 May 2023 18:14:49 UTC No. 145848

>>145414
What kind of grappling and what kind of injuries? Were you staying in shape outside of grappling sessions or just weekend warrioring it?

Anonymous at Wed, 10 May 2023 18:29:49 UTC No. 145851

>>145848
Judo primarily and yes I exercise outside of practice too (though not as much now as I used to). The first of the two big injuries was to my right hip flexor trying to suplex a guy way heavier than me which normally wouldn’t be a problem but I didn’t set up the position properly and ended up putting all the weight there. The other I sustained during fucking crash pad drills of all things. A black belt who ought to have known better tossed me as hard as he could and missed the pad twice. I ended up breaking a rib and bruising my lung and despite the doctor saying I should recover fully my wind just hasn’t been the same since. I’m considering picking up a couch to 5k program even though I hate running to try and get my cardio back again but I don’t have high hopes.

Other less serious injuries I’ve had are probably nothing surprising. Broken fingers, toes, concussions etc. I had a catch guy once injure one of the tendons in my arm with a submission that came on a little to quick and I’ve rolled my ankle a weird way one too many times and now it clicks when I flex it. Speaking of which I also had a tendon the runs up my leg in serious pain for bit after my leg got bent the wrong way. Honestly I was lucky though because what caused that last injury nearly dislocated my knee.

Keep in mind nearly all of this was in training. I only had one concussion occurred that in actual competition.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 May 2023 23:16:19 UTC No. 145998

>>145350
Ramsey Dewey had been fighting in kickboxing, muay thai and MMA, had been knocked out 4 times and the last knockout broke his skull and gave amnesia to him, yet I'm sure he still has above 85 iq.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 May 2023 00:33:39 UTC No. 146006

>>145998
he moved to china and lives there by choice. I'm not so sure about that

Anonymous at Fri, 12 May 2023 12:04:05 UTC No. 146064

>>145998
To be fair, he cracked his skull in an MMA fight with (according to him) cheated gloves. He wasn't seriously injured in kickboxing or ValeTudo. Vitor Miranda, ex-UFC fighter, broke his jaw with a knee in a kickboxing match, risks exist but injuries are more common in training than in fights.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 May 2023 03:12:37 UTC No. 146509

Just tough it out bro

Anonymous at Tue, 16 May 2023 03:29:23 UTC No. 146510

>>145851
peeople should really be properly warned about small digit injuries. Not only do they take forever to heal but you also never get back to 100%

Anonymous at Tue, 16 May 2023 13:13:03 UTC No. 146548

>>145348
Honestly, if you're that concerned, the answer is no. Additionally, unless you're in a career that may at times require those skills or is at least welcoming of those who practice, employers are not fond of injury prone employees. Met more than one fighter that was let go either due to inability to perform their duties or because employers don't want black & blue brutes serving customers.
>Unpopular opinion
You don't need to spar to train martial arts. You will likely not be as good as someone who has, mostly due to poor reaction times & low pain tolerance. There is simply no routine/drill/equipment that will approach the complexity of even the shittiest sparring partner. However, training martial arts at all, even without sparring, will make you better than the majority of the planet that does no fight training at all.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 May 2023 22:48:32 UTC No. 148554

I indented to learn to fight, but then I learned that even sub-concussive head blows contribute to CTE :(

Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 00:19:25 UTC No. 148562

>>145348
Everyone seems to like to pick on TKD, Wing Chun, Aikido, etc... Because they aren't "proper" fighting arts but, they don't realize that that's kind of the point.

A lot of the traditional Martial Arts went through a phase where their instructors, with decades of experience and injury, said "Well, I enjoy this and it could be useful in a fight but I've hurt myself more during practice than I ever had actually defending myself." So these arts added rules to prevent injury, TKD still wanted to kick but knew grappling could injure knees, Wing Chun still wanted to punch just not to the head and the founder of Aikido literally said he just wanted to practice Jujitsu with anyone getting hurt therefore full compliance training.

Does this make the arts less effective? Yes! But that's kind of the point. Expect to see some MMA and Musy Thai gyms go this way in the future. Judo and IBJJF have already started.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 00:35:25 UTC No. 148565

>>145351
>but I think
Cool retard take

Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 00:37:21 UTC No. 148566

>>148562
>and IBJJF have already started.
No they havent. As an active competitor in the adult black belt category I can tell you that you're wrong.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 05:37:20 UTC No. 148593

>>145348
do light sparring and wear a rugby helmet underneath protective headgear.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 06:22:34 UTC No. 148596

>>148566
You legit can't even guard slam.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 11:42:22 UTC No. 148626

>>145348
Met and know plenty of 70 and 80 year olds who did and occasionally still do martial arts and combat sports yet still have decent cognitive health.

I suspect it's because they didn't take full force blows to the head during sparing and training, focused on whole body health since they weren't prize fighting so they took breaks when injured, and when they did fight full contact they all stressed a good defense of their head and not getting knocked out. Plenty complained about broken ribs, muscle and joint injuries, and tons of repetitive stress injuries since old school training could be a little repetitive, but none had stories of being knocked out from blows to the head. Few that had stories about being choked out but no head or facial injuries from martial arts. Even the guy with a plate in his neck from having his neck accidently broken doing bjj with young guys when he was in his 60s, and boxed when he was young, still was all there mentally in his 70s.

So from the limited sample size of the old martial arts guys I have known or talked to, they seem fine.
It can be done. Just don't be retarded about your training, don't fight full contact all the time and ignore your body, and if/when you do occasionally fight or spar full contact then focus a good deal of training in defending your head and not getting knocked out.
You ain't getting paid so don't gamble with your brains like you might if it was your lively hood on the line.

Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 11:49:57 UTC No. 148628

>>145719
>Is light sparring even helpful?
Extremely helpful.
>Wouldn't it ruin your instincts? In a real fight they don't hold back
That is what pad work and the bag is for.
Besides learning fine control helps stop over commiting and other sloppy shit from people who don't have enough control of their body to keep things tight.
You should learn to fight smart, not just "by instinct".

Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 17:28:04 UTC No. 148669

>>148562
I suspect that's inaccurate. My late TKD instructor taught hand-to-hand fighting in the Korean War. His TKD classes included basic grappling (and his judo classes included basic striking).

Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 21:55:15 UTC No. 148713

>>148669
Nothing about that is inaccurate. Just because your instructor taught it doesn't mean it's part of the rules.

My TKD school taught weapons, that doesn't mean we were allowed to use them.

TKD took out head punches from sparring to avoid brain damage, they took out grappling to avoid knee damage and they took out leg checks because they wanted the Olympic sport to be more offensive and spectator friendly. Did these things make the art more dangerous? No! Much the opposite.

Swallow your pride and use your brain for a second.

Anonymous at Tue, 30 May 2023 02:45:57 UTC No. 148921

>>145348
An important point no one has mentioned is that IQ doesn't go down. You will have memory problems though. Eventually speach and recall will be effected. Brain damage is real. We definitely want to minimize that damage and damage to the body in general that will be long term. I even found my memory fading and I've only been doing it half a year. I told my trainer this and we both decided I need to take it easy until my speed and flow is better and can defend against punches better. But hey man. Just do it right and you'll be fine. IQ won't lower and train smart and you won't get major problems. We went going pro.

Anonymous at Tue, 30 May 2023 03:21:40 UTC No. 148927

>>148921
>An important point no one has mentioned is that IQ doesn't go down
Actually it does. This was one of the key facts of the NFL CTE lawsuit - that the Wonderlic tests from the combine and Wonderlic tests taken after they retired indicated a measurable cognitive decline, which is to say decline in IQ to the extent that the Wonderlic is g-loaded.

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Jun 2023 18:15:19 UTC No. 149503

>>148593
agree on light sparring, but normal (kick)boxing headgear makes your head a bigger target, and a rugby helmet even more so. the key to protecting oneself against brain damage is practicing good defense, iow trying your best not to get hit in the first place, not insulating your head from any damage whatsoever. what's the point in sparring if you try to artificially minimize damage to self to such an extent? a combat sport w/o the risk of hurting one's own body is no combat sport at all.

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Jun 2023 18:21:58 UTC No. 149505

>>148626
agreed. ramsey dewey has also made points similar to this. unfortunately dutch kickboxing (the art i've been training in recently), seems to have the total opposite mentality. too much emphasis is put on toughness and power, neglecting technique in the process.