🧵 Sumo Wrestling = Ultimate Martial art
Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 11:24:46 UTC No. 148623
Sumo wrestlers literally all other fighters there's simply no way you can get past their massive pushing power and tree trunk leg strength, I don't care what art you train or how long you've been training, You are just a KITTEN compared to the average mighty sumo wrestler.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 11:33:58 UTC No. 148624
>jogs backwards lightly
K-O
Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 11:59:02 UTC No. 148629
>>148623
They never do well when they compete outside of the sumo ruleset.
They are specialized to the extreme in sumo and sumo only. It just doesn't translate to other combat sports. Which is why sumo guys got beaten even by guys smaller than them in mma and boxing matches.
That said it's cool for what it is.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 14:46:28 UTC No. 148644
>>148623
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nQtem
Isn't it funny how the very first thing UFC has done in its existence was proving you wrong?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 15:20:02 UTC No. 148650
It's the purest sport, the ultimate competition
Push the guy down or out of the circle
No weight classes or BS like that
Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 15:22:58 UTC No. 148651
>>148623
Sumo is the ultimate minmaxing sport. A rikishi's physique and skillset is developed solely for sumo, and doesn't translate in any meaningful sense to other sports. Men from other forms of wrestling or other combat disciplines entirely can transition to sumo, and often do exceptionally well, but I've never heard of any rikishi leaving sumo to excel at another sport.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 15:53:28 UTC No. 148658
>>148644
mediocre sumo wrestler, show me a bettero ne and we'll talk
Anonymous at Sun, 28 May 2023 16:02:46 UTC No. 148659
>>148658
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y2TLJ
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 00:24:27 UTC No. 148729
>>148644
they had no good cause to end the fight
he wasn't knocked out and he didn't quit
they did this to protect royce after they saw he just ate a kick to the face, lost a tooth and just shook it off like nothing
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 13:36:32 UTC No. 148791
>>148729
exactly everyone is a pussy compared to the mighty sumo wrestler
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 16:22:14 UTC No. 148806
>>148795
Honestly? Probably an absolutely terrifying charge and grip strength.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 16:23:18 UTC No. 148807
>>148795
>real wrestlers
weird take, saying it as though they aren't in fact wrestling
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 16:40:17 UTC No. 148809
>>148658
>mediocre sumo wrestler
Fighting a mediocre kickboxer. Quit being retarded.
https://youtu.be/8HSH44CAIA0
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 16:57:21 UTC No. 148812
>>148809
why are they calling obese black guys sumo wrestlers?
were any of them ever even sekitori?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 17:18:17 UTC No. 148814
would a rikishi benefit from "iron shirt" chi-kung? Rushing and crushing himself against walls or iron poles, head-butting trees, etc
>or doing strongman stuff like pulling or pushing trucks
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 17:19:30 UTC No. 148815
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 17:24:53 UTC No. 148817
>>148814
I dunno if they still do it, but there's a specific makiwara Sumo used at one point. Giant pillar for slapping, pushing, and shoulder thrusting against. Basically a tree with it's bark shaved and lightly sanded, though the smoothness may have just been from being used.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 17:27:52 UTC No. 148818
>>148814
it's called teppo, they slap and shoulder ram a pillar
these are the results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAC
Anonymous at Mon, 29 May 2023 17:37:23 UTC No. 148821
>>148818
Some of those would be borderline fatal if his opponent didn't have a neck the size of a normal man's thigh. Sumo is a lot more brutal than a lot of people realise.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 May 2023 01:53:17 UTC No. 148908
I tried sumo this year and it was fucking tough. I've done BJJ and judo but this worked my core/legs harder than most things I've done. And those sumo charges can be devastating. Respect.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 May 2023 18:06:10 UTC No. 149011
>>148993
well all I can say in the matter is there's nothing prohibiting trips and leg sweeps, but the specificity of the rules probably comes in to play here
you lose if any part of your body other than the soles of your feet touch the ground, so that would make it a risky proposition to do foot sweeps since you drag the side of your foot along the ground to hit the ankle. may end up disqualifying yourself
Anonymous at Tue, 30 May 2023 20:51:59 UTC No. 149052
>>148993
Targeting the other guy's legs is a valid tactic that comes up semi-regularly, but it's more of a judo style tripping tool where you press your own leg inside or outside the opponent's stance and force him against it to make him fall over or at least lose his grip
Much more rarely a guy will actually swipe at a guy's calf with his leg (or even more rarely, his hand/arm, which I think I've seen happen two or three times)
Anonymous at Tue, 30 May 2023 21:59:52 UTC No. 149056
>>148807
Are they?
They aren't pinning each other. They're pushing each other out of a circle
Anonymous at Tue, 30 May 2023 22:21:45 UTC No. 149057
>>149056
I would say most folk style wrestling wins by knocking someone off their feet and pinning is a minority
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 04:07:19 UTC No. 149103
I've decided that sumo is possibly the best base for self defense
consider what it prioritizes, staying on the feet, knocking the other person over, and controlling the space
in a street fight aggression is often the deciding factor, and the powerful explosive movements of sumo would be overwhelming to most
the clashing headbutts, shoulder checks and flurry of slapping and palm strikes would overwhelm and stun an opponent, and the strong upper body clinches and throws would control their arms to minimize damage to yourself and put them on the ground
you just smacked a girls ass would you prefer her boyfriend does bjj or sumo? exactly. you know precisely which one is going to fuck you up worse
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 05:28:58 UTC No. 149124
>>148993
Intentional kicking to the legs and midsection is against the rules. Leg sweeps are still relatively common, particularly among the ones who come from judo or Mongolian wrestling backgrounds.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 07:22:35 UTC No. 149134
>>149103
>controling the space
Pushing someone back doesn't give you as much advantage as pinning him on the ground
>clashing headbutts, shoulder checks and flurry of slapping and palm strikes
Nowhere near as good as muay thai or dutch kickboxing
>you just smacked a girls ass would you prefer her boyfriend does bjj or sumo?
Sumo because I run pretty fast and he's probably too fat and slow to catch me
I can't believe this thread even exists. What will be next? Taekwondo is the best because legs are our most powerful weapon? Aikido is the best because wrist control something simething? Capoeira because it's the niggest?
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 09:30:59 UTC No. 149145
>>149134
>Pushing someone back doesn't give you as much advantage as pinning him on the ground
In a Street fight, Pushing someone off a sidewalk, into a brick walk or back onto something they'll trip over has EXTREME advantages
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 12:24:49 UTC No. 149153
>>149103
The best base for self defense is being armed. There has never been any kind of fighting force or individual warrior that primarily uses any form of unarmed combat. I like martial arts as much as anyone here, but it's important to remember that they are not designed for unregulated street fights or for efficiently killing and incapacitating opponents.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 12:47:12 UTC No. 149154
>>149103
>you just smacked a girls ass would you prefer her boyfriend does bjj or sumo?
In this case I really wouldn't like her boyfriend to do american football because american footballists are not only much stronger but also faster than me
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 12:52:22 UTC No. 149155
>>149153
>There has never been any kind of fighting force or individual warrior that primarily uses any form of unarmed combat
Don't give Russians new ideas
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 15:03:48 UTC No. 149164
>>149155
>>149153
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 15:09:36 UTC No. 149165
>>149134
You would need to put him on the ground in order to pin him
Something bjj is utterly incapable of
Bjj is like having a pocket full of bullets but no gun so you can just throw them. Ouch that kinda stings, be careful you could put an eye out
>>149153
This is krav lore
The self defense needs of a civilian are different from the military
We arent allowed to go around killing people on a whim the way they can
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 19:20:20 UTC No. 149195
>>149165
You can be armed without having an assault rifle. A bunch of keys, a roll of coins, a metal pen, a sufficiently weighty flashlight, there are all kinds of things available to civilians that provide any man with a ridiculous advantage over an unarmed opponent. Improvised weapons can be found or made out of innumerable things found lying around in common brawling locations. My point is just that anyone considering martial arts for self-defense purposes is far better served just acquiring some kind of weapon.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 May 2023 19:59:57 UTC No. 149196
>>149195
The fight itself is just the beginning of your troubles, the aftermath is also something you have to consider
There needs to be a degree of reasonableness because the cops, the prosecutors, they will look for any reason to lock you up even if what you did was justified
My friend's brother when he was in college gotten to a rather old college fight, no big deal but a girl was wearing high heeled shoes so he grabbed one of the girls shoes and started hitting the other kid with the heel and he ended up picking up criminal charges for it because it was a weapon enhancement
But let's say nothing you did rose to the level of criminal but the guy is just a frat bro and his father is a hot shot lawyer, they are gonna come after you with everything they have even though that dickhead is the one that started it
And you're going to have a much easier time convincing a jury if all you did was bitch slap the fuck out of him vs stabbing him with a golf pencil you picked up off the waitress table
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 00:23:52 UTC No. 149226
As probably the only AMA sumo guy in this thread, no. I was the 3rd best in the U.S. Sumo is not good for self defense, no matter what Baki says. The style is premised on pushing. Compare that to styles premised on punching or takedowns and the answer is clear.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 00:57:12 UTC No. 149232
>>149226
>amateur sumo
your opinion is worthless
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 01:26:33 UTC No. 149235
>>149226
respectfully though, USA sumo is pretty awful
even sensei seth medaled in that national qualifier after only doing it for like 4 months
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 02:48:46 UTC No. 149247
>>149226
pushing isn't the only way to win in sumo though
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 19:10:33 UTC No. 149368
>>149153
>The greatest martial art is the art of owning a gun
I kneel anon-sama
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 19:44:08 UTC No. 149369
>>149368
the funny thing about it is people think just carrying a gun is enough, but using a gun effectively is a martial art that requires practice like any other
if you don't have a sub 2 second draw to first shot you've already lost
but it's not just practicing the draw under ideal circumstances at the range, it's also practicing one handed shots from weird angles as well as empty handed weapon retention skills
if you're carrying a gun and can't grapple you may as well be handing it to the other guy
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 19:53:57 UTC No. 149371
>>149247
No, but its the fundamental aspect of the sumo flow chart. Everything that is done in sumo is either an aid to, or a reaction against, pushing. For example, backing up does not exist. Compare that to boxing (where backing up is fine) and freestyle wrestling (where backing up had to be penalized via the rule set).
>>149232
Fugg u
>>149235
Sensei seth medaled in a nothing tournament one time. When he is putting out consistent results on the national stage, I'll care about him.
Also, who do we trust; people saying sumo is the ultimate self defense art despite never having participated in a single match...or someone who has?
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 20:33:32 UTC No. 149374
Yea ok sumo is the greatest martial art, where the fuck are you going to train it? Apparently us sumo is ass, so cool. You've found the greatest art you can't train, dumbass.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Jun 2023 21:14:49 UTC No. 149378
>>149374
well you don't need to be a great sumo wrestler yourself, you just need to observe and emulate the techniques
just like you wouldn't use pure greco roman in a fight you wouldn't use pure sumo in a fight, but you use it as the root of your movements
head butt, bitch slap, arm crank, and throw
use the traditional training methods to build a powerful limber body
with sumo you can turn yourself into a hard fighting, hard farting, beer drinking, nap taking, buffet destroying son of a gun!
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 16:17:13 UTC No. 149621
The mad man actually did it, this faggot is lurking 100%
https://youtu.be/O-Dfi2uzm08
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 18:07:29 UTC No. 149628
>>149621
This guys channel sucks especially the videos where he personifies different martial art styles.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 18:07:56 UTC No. 149629
>>149369
Few people are going to see you pulling out a gun and think "I am sure to win because my grappling technique is superior". Like yes there's still skill involved in using a gun but most of the situations people would need to defend themselves in don't involve fighting off a person so set in killing you that they're willing to get shot over it. Most petty muggers or handsy drunks will haul ass if they see you're carrying a firearm
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>>148623
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Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 18:17:15 UTC No. 149631
Sumo wrestlers are fucking awesome desu
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 19:13:34 UTC No. 149636
>>149621
Can't wait for this guy to blow his knee out from practicing unskilled fatty judo.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 19:25:44 UTC No. 149638
>>149621
> Is sumo the best
> Gets tapped by BJJ
Poetry
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Jun 2023 21:59:32 UTC No. 149655
>>149621
How many vidros until he starts to claim he's recreating ancient sumo
"And they set foot upon each other"
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 00:04:15 UTC No. 149677
>>149638
I don't know how much it ultimately mattered but there was some shenanigans at play
in the previous match they let the couches move and flip when the guys ran into them
but for this one the guys running the show held the couches in place so they wouldn't move
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 01:02:41 UTC No. 149689
>>149677
How about the fact he fought retsrds and aikidokas
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 01:03:50 UTC No. 149690
>>149689
No use repeating yourself
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Jun 2023 01:06:56 UTC No. 149691
>>149638
well yeah, sumo ends when someone hits the floor. need to complement it with something.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 18:41:48 UTC No. 150061
>what is ufc 1
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 19:35:39 UTC No. 150069
>>150061
A collection of journyeman dropouts not even able to fight at the highest level of their own sport acting like representatives of something they're mediocre at participating in a competition designed by the winner
An entertaining side show, but that's all
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 20:00:40 UTC No. 150074
>>150069
And yet, so terrified any sumo that afterwards they never made so much as an inquiry about a second attempt
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 20:08:31 UTC No. 150076
>>150074
Sumo wrestlers that are any good are making a very comfortable living as sumo wrestlers. If they're competing in something else it means they're failed sumo wrestlers.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 20:11:25 UTC No. 150078
>>150076
That cope sounds much more believable coming from Mayweather and Fury.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 20:20:50 UTC No. 150080
>>150078
A mid tier rikishi is making as much as UFC champions do just in salary, before calculating the sponsorships and prize money they get
At the highest level they're making 100k+ usd a month
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 20:33:53 UTC No. 150084
>>150076
>sumo is lucrative in any way shape or form
Lol, lmao
Hakuho barely had a six figure salary, and he's the GOAT.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Jun 2023 20:37:31 UTC No. 150085
>>150084
And you know what my professional MMA friend was just offered? 1k to show, 1k to win
And needing to travel in order to make those pennies
Then the 20% cut that goes to the team
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 04:26:21 UTC No. 150138
>>150084
most guys in makuuchi have a six figure salary. Hakuho at his peak was making just under a million a year.
While that's nothing compared to somebody like McGregor, the average MMA fighter is getting paid substantially less than that. Look at Bellator contracts for journeyman. They're getting paid something like $2000 per fight.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 05:18:33 UTC No. 150142
>>150138
a rough calculation when you consider time training as "working" the average professional MMA fighter is making something like $2 per hour
seriously you're better off working in fast food
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Jun 2023 10:23:08 UTC No. 150163
The ultimate martial artists are so scared of losing their "massive" (lmao) paycheck that they won't compete. Magic chi karate tier style.
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Jun 2023 13:23:34 UTC No. 150776
>>148623
Okay, I agree that sumo is good, but they are so fat that they get in their own way in basically every MMA match they have been in. As soon as a rikishi hits the ground they cant get up when someone tries to slightly hold them down; they are not only fighting their opponent but their own weight. I would be interested if anyone knows of a rikishi grappling with judoka or wrestlers though.
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:18:28 UTC No. 150782
>>150776
look up Baruto's MMA matches
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Jun 2023 18:43:43 UTC No. 152704
>>149134
>Sumo because I run pretty fast and he's probably too fat and slow to catch me
Lol