🧵 Speed Superiority
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:27:34 UTC No. 155669
Can you compensate weight and size with speed and power?
Or will size and raw strength always surpass wiry, technical speed and power?
Anonymous at Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:29:48 UTC No. 155670
Lots of things "can". Not many "will".
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 00:14:45 UTC No. 155673
>>155669
> speed
Probably not. Speed.tends to imply mobility, and there's ways to counter that.
> power
Different story. Developing explosiveness under weight implies a certain threshold of strength, or at least fast twitch muscle, which is directly correlated with athletic performance.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 00:27:03 UTC No. 155675
>>155669
It's all about how many weapons you have in your arsenal. Height, weight, strength, speed, endurance, skill, strategy, and more are all weapons. If your opponent is taller, heavier, and stronger than you, you will have to surpass him in at least three other ways in order to stand a chance.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 00:30:21 UTC No. 155677
>>155673
So in theory, a professional Olympic lifter (with some fighting experience) could win a fight against a professional powerlifter (with little to no fighting experience)
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 00:40:32 UTC No. 155679
>>155677
How much weight is the oly lifter giving up? Also, oly lifters are weird. Here in the US, the more popular sports canabalize the guys with ridiculous vertical jumps and shit. Overseas, you get a mich better gene pool in their Olympic lift programs.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 00:45:54 UTC No. 155680
>>155679
Non-roided, Eastern European, male, 5'9, 158 lb., power clean is easily 315 lb., fighting background is 3 months of thai boxing and 3 months of judo.
Powerlifter is male, non-roided, White American, 6'1, 225 lb., 550 deadlift and 315 bench press. No fighting experience
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 01:15:00 UTC No. 155684
>>155680
3 months ain’t shit, lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 01:28:34 UTC No. 155686
>>155684
make it 6 for both arts
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 01:35:37 UTC No. 155688
>>155680
Powershitter gasses after two punches, dies of a heart attack.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 01:36:38 UTC No. 155689
>>155669
Not always. I've won these kinds of fights and sparring sessions but it's always an uphill battle
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 01:48:35 UTC No. 155691
>>155680
Grappling is often the art of using leverage to amplify strength, but giving up 70lbs is going to need a LOT of leverage.
> 315lbs power clean at 158lbs
Holy shit, bro. Maybe that might be enough sauce.
Anonymous at Tue, 11 Jul 2023 08:20:50 UTC No. 155714
>>155669
Yes you can, especially if the other guy doesn't have fighting skills.
This is a legit 500 lbs bencher powerlifter vs a much smaller guy who doesn't even lift, but prepared for the "fight".
https://youtu.be/fIy1k4v-pac?t=239
Also cool video about the judo training version of smaller size but better technique vs bigger size and lesser technique.
https://youtu.be/2YS-WF6nlA0
Also a note, with weapons (sticks, knives, etc...) speed and power will win anytime over size.
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 23:04:53 UTC No. 158330
>>155669
Depends on who outweights you.
If it's a slow bag of fat like Akebono, you can do it easily if you're a decent fighter.
If it's a very strong guy who lacks skills and pain compliance like Bob Sapp, you can do it if your skills and speed are superior.
If he's not also big but also skilled like Semmy Schilt, it's very hard to beat him.
If he has granite chin like Valuev, then it's even worse because you don't have puncher's chance like when you fight a skilled opponent. The only possible way of beating someone like this I can think of is to be very good at bjj
Anonymous at Tue, 25 Jul 2023 23:10:24 UTC No. 158333
Explosivity and snappiness almost always dwarfs slow, raw strength.
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 19:52:40 UTC No. 159838
>>155669
when I was 14 I won a fight with a 20 something guy because we were fighting in the countryside and I kept outrunning the guy until he went out of breath and had to lie down
Anonymous at Thu, 3 Aug 2023 21:42:25 UTC No. 159844
>>158333
Trips of truth