Anonymous at Thu, 10 Aug 2023 10:18:03 UTC No. 160965

That's pretty much what Randy Couture did.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Aug 2023 04:54:08 UTC No. 161613

>>160956
Maybe but probably not, it begs the question
>Let's say you thoroughly "won" the clinch, such that it's a clinch in which you thoroughly control what's happening.
Strange, because clinches tend to be pretty transitional states but possible - but in this world, you need a good answer to the question
>You now have positional control. What is your next move to finish the fight?

The problem is that for basically every answer, it seems like it's "just transfer into a different martial art:
> Take things to the ground with overwhelming force
Great, nice wrestling you're doing, why were you wasting time in a clinch then?
>Punch them
Your arms are by definition busy mostly not punching. You're just trying to do the boring and less effective part of boxing again
>Take things to the ground with intent to use that control to ensure a superior position
Then you're just doing BJJ, why are you clinching?
>Choke them out with a standing guillotine
BJJ or judo. No need to spend time setting up the clinch.
>Throw them
Then you should just be doing judo, you'd save energy.

It just doesn't seem like there's much to win in clinch game in which you STAY in clinch game. Everything you want from a clinch is basically a setup transition into some different martial art.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Aug 2023 08:55:18 UTC No. 161632

>>161613
What about kneeing and elbowing the shit out of him?

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Aug 2023 09:13:16 UTC No. 161635

>>161613
brainlet take

see >>160965
Randy Couture made a career out of it.

>Great, nice wrestling you're doing, why were you wasting time in a clinch then?
People can be good at defending against a wrestling shot from a distance, but not as good at defending against takedowns from the clinch.

>Your arms are by definition busy mostly not punching. You're just trying to do the boring and less effective part of boxing again
If you're in a clinch, it means the other person's arms are occupied as well. You can free one arm to tee punches on them and wear them down. If you're a better clincher, they'll have only one arm to defend themselves at best.


>Then you're just doing BJJ, why are you clinching?
In MMA especially, a common getup from the ground is to wall walk into a clinch and escape from there. Better clinching shuts that down.

>BJJ or judo. No need to spend time setting up the clinch.
You need to be in a clinch to even be in a position where you can do a standing guillotine.

>Then you should just be doing judo, you'd save energy.
This nigga never heard of Greco-Roman wrestling.