Anonymous at Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:43:26 UTC No. 163475

Probably never if we're being honest
With an attrition rate this high if you last a year you're already in an exclusive club

Anonymous at Fri, 25 Aug 2023 11:27:03 UTC No. 163498

>>163471
7 years

Anonymous at Fri, 25 Aug 2023 11:51:31 UTC No. 163499

Slightly longer than it takes to get 4 stripes on a brown.

Anonymous at Fri, 25 Aug 2023 12:10:43 UTC No. 163503

>>163471
However long it takes before the coach thinks you're ready or feels you've paid up enough money. One reason why TMA is a fucking joke. No objective measures of success between schools. It's not like MMA where your record is the measure of you as a fighter. TMA schools have no standard curriculum. Every school is just one dude fucking winging it based on the Mcdojo they learned from + an MBA.

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Aug 2023 06:29:50 UTC No. 164164

>>163471
really depends on you, how well you do, your instructor and school
probably 10 years is safe to say
maybe more
depends on injuries burn out time off etc

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Aug 2023 07:26:04 UTC No. 164167

>>163471
If you are atletic and have background in freestyle wrestling it can be shorten to 3-5 years. If you just an amateur in your 30's then yeah, something like 10 years

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Sep 2023 07:02:57 UTC No. 164741

>>163503
You are correct in talking about TMA, however OP specified bjj, and bjj is not a traditional martial art. Although yes, it will be when the coach thinks you're ready. And if your coach is honest, (which why wouldn't he be?) it will take approximately 10 years of consistent training if you train 4 times a week to get a black belt, if you are just starting out.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Sep 2023 07:57:25 UTC No. 164746

>>163471
I'll be starting out next week and do like 3 sessions a week and I think in about 2 years I'll be a blackbelt.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:41:04 UTC No. 164792

>>164741
>bjj is not a traditional martial art
bjj is older than both karate and taekwondo by decades

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Sep 2023 23:41:50 UTC No. 164881

>>164792
what defines something as a traditional martial art is not how old it is, but the goal of the martial art. The goal in a TMA is to uphold tradiiton.
The goal is bjj is to advance the sport.

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Sep 2023 00:28:26 UTC No. 164894

>>164881
there sure is a lot of bowing to dead guys and resisting changes going on in bjj
the ibjjf didn't allow heel hooks until 2021
it's all done to protect the old guard brazilians that didn't stay current in their skills so they need to gate keep all the innovators away

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Sep 2023 06:12:54 UTC No. 164946

>>164894
...bowing to dead guys? I've never seen this happen before. I'm sure that's a thing but it's not really a staple of bjj in the same way that practicing kata is a staple of karate. I'm not sure what you mean by resisting changes, though. Bjj has changed DRASTICALLY since it came to the united states in the 90s. Also, heel hooks not being allowed is because of how dangerous they can be, not because of some tradition thing, as far as I know.

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Sep 2023 07:13:03 UTC No. 164948

>>164946
there's a brazilian saying, chokes are the king, arm locks are the queen, leglocks are a dirty thief
their resistance to leglocks was because they didn't understand how to do them, that's why in 1996 eddie bravo did a toe hold at pan ams and the crowd rioted and started throwing things at him

everything about the sport of bjj was tailor made to ensure brazilians are the winners
you know as well as I do it was never meant to be fair. If you see your opponent speaking portuguese you better get a sub because you're not winning otherwise

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Sep 2023 08:24:33 UTC No. 164951

>>164948
what's that got to do with tradition though? sounds like favoritism more than anything else, which is still gay, but it's still not a tradiitonal martial art

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Sep 2023 18:25:21 UTC No. 165006

>>164948
The resistance the brazilians had to leglocks was because leglocks kind of feel like cheating, in that you can get a leglock without getting through someone's defences (guard). You can just grab a leg, sit back and rip a heel hook without actually getting into back control or mount and really beating your opponent. You can see this a lot when certain enthusiastic white belts like to do a lot of ankle locks and get some nice wins because of it, but ultimately you can still pass their guard and get to mount or back control and hold them there basically indefinitely whilst they will be unable to get passed yours, and will have to just bumrush grabbing a leg and sitting back and ankle locking. Ultimately you have to end up being good at both upper body shit and leglocks and just stop being a sore loser, but its not hard to see why people got annoyed at leglockers.

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Sep 2023 19:07:47 UTC No. 165008

Smashed ribs guy here, other than getting cleared by the doc, what would you do for getting back on the mats? Current eta is 4-6 weeks for recovery. Takedowns are off the menu for at least a few months. Thinking core exercises will be a good way to test the waters. Landmines and lawnmowers.

Contemplating BPC157.

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Sep 2023 19:16:22 UTC No. 165012

>>165006
That's only if the person you're doing it to is a shitter at leglocks themselves
That's why they've fallen out of favor, now that everybody knows how to do them they're not the automatic win button they used to be

Anonymous at Sun, 3 Sep 2023 23:45:24 UTC No. 165041

>>165008
For the money you're thinking about spending on BPC157, why not just do HGH instead?

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 00:17:02 UTC No. 165046

>>165041
I'm not sure they do the same thing and BPC157 is readily available online.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 04:25:36 UTC No. 165082

>>164741
>bjj is not a traditional martial art
It's older than most of the TMAs this board shits on.
>And if your coach is honest, (which why wouldn't he be?)
Because their livelihood is dependent on membership dues. It is not in their fiscal best interest to be the best teacher they can be. Most students wouldn't even tolerate the treatment. The chances of forging a champion is extremely rare even for a really good coach, it is a gamble that depends on being blessed with a really talented student. That is the only time a coach ever gives a shit about a student and really gives it their all in teaching. I guaran-fucking-tee it.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 05:21:46 UTC No. 165085

>>165012
You could say that about all parts of bjj, they only work if you are better than your opponent at it. Yes the answer to "why am I getting leglocked?" Is "get better at leglocks", but it's very easy to see why people got annoyed, and still do get annoyed, when people spam leglocks. They are typically done by some young blue or white belt who really wants to win but can't actually pass guard, so they win in a way that doesn't require them to pass

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 06:37:24 UTC No. 165092

>>165085
>it's very easy to see why people got annoyed
>typically done by some young blue or white belt
But heres the balls of the whole situation, an upper belt should be punishing the noobs for even attempting something so foolish
But they didn't stay current and aren't up to snuff on the modern ashi game, and there's cognitive dissonance when someone got their black belt in 2004 and just got tapped by a 15 year old that started training 6 months ago with something he saw in a video online
They blame the technique and try to invalidate it instead of acknowledging that they let themselves fall behind

Because really saying fuck it and grabbing a leglock is the essence of jiujitsu
The gentle art, the path of least resistance. Just like we don't go through frames, we go around then
Why try to penetrate an impenetrable guard? Choosing not to play the game is a valid move.
The onus would be on the guard player to create the dilemma where the leg lock attempt is going to create such a bad situation for the other person they're better off trying to get through the guard

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 06:53:25 UTC No. 165093

>>165092
You sound like a blue belt who spams heelhooks because you can't pass guard. Nobody blames leglocks as techniques, but it does get annoying when all people do is grab legs and sit back for a heel hook, because then every roll just turns into a leg lock defense and punishment roll, instead of one where you try out a variety of techniques and really try to break each other's defenses down. That's where the fun and skill in Jiu Jitsu comes from, not in getting the tap, but in systematically breaking your opponent down with technique and skill. Not just grabbing a leg and trying to ankle lock or heel hook. Leglocks are no fun

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:12:08 UTC No. 165140

>>165093
don't you see you're falling into the same dogma as these TMAs you dislike so much
you have this idea in your mind of what bjj is supposed to be, how it's supposed to look, what the correct way of expressing it is
you must follow the kata or it's not the true jiujitsu!

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:21:03 UTC No. 165141

>>165093
>B-b-but thats not how it's supposed to me
Lol@faggots realizing their style doesn't come from the techniques they teach but what they don't allow or discourage.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 20:17:58 UTC No. 165162

>>165141

Efficacy of leglocks aside, they do make the sport boring to do and watch. If I’m training with a leglock spammer I’m just going to tap to position every time then choose someone more fun for my next roll.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 20:53:13 UTC No. 165163

>>165162
the sport was already boring which is why nobody watches ibjjf (practitioners included) and why the gi as a whole in dying
nogi and it's leglock meta from ADCC and WNO is single handedly saving the sport

people don't want to see some flexible brown guy that can rim his own asshole spin around on his shoulders and stall for time. They want to see taps

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Sep 2023 03:08:40 UTC No. 165203

>>165093
>>165162
>every roll just turns into a leg lock defense and punishment roll, instead of one where you try out a variety of techniques and really try to break each other's defenses down
>That's where the fun and skill in Jiu Jitsu comes from, not in getting the tap, but in systematically breaking your opponent down with technique and skill
What are you talking about? The modern leg lock game is just as technical as any other position or submission.
>Leglocks are no fun
>I'm just going to tap to position every time then choose someone more fun for my next roll
Or you could just learn jiu jitsu... You sound like a terrible student and training partner.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Sep 2023 12:20:24 UTC No. 165243

>>163503
At least Judo makes you earn the belts in competition formats.

Can the guy handle a legit tournament match? Yes? Can the guy win say, 10 point fights vs his schools randos without a defeat back to back? That's a black belt or at least what should be considered such as long as they have learned the forms required if any TMA school still teaches them.

Anonymous at Wed, 27 Sep 2023 13:54:20 UTC No. 169268

>>163475
>With an attrition rate this high if you last a year you're already in an exclusive club
yeah lol
I'm past a year and my will is already waning

Anonymous at Sun, 1 Oct 2023 19:58:02 UTC No. 170093

>>163471
About 9-10 years.

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 09:27:07 UTC No. 170307

>>165162
Get better. Either chill and defend everything so people are forced to realize how much their game lacks dimension, or calmly smash them to make the same point. Works just fine.

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:35:38 UTC No. 170315

>>164741
>Bjj is a tma
Why do i even come back to this board?

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:11:07 UTC No. 170318

>>170315
jujitsu has been in brazil longer than karate has been in japan

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:11:10 UTC No. 170319

>>170315
>reading comprehension

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:41:22 UTC No. 170322

>>170319
I replied to the wrong post, no reason to get your panties in a bunch
>>170318
Not this argument again. With this logic Judo isnt a tma

Anonymous at Tue, 3 Oct 2023 15:19:02 UTC No. 170327

>>170322
Judo is in an odd position where it maintains some of those old jujutsu traditions that make it traditional while also very much being a modern art. Take a look at this shit.
https://youtu.be/2YS-WF6nlA0?feature=shared
While mifune’s skills are unbelievably impressive it should also be clear to anyone who has seen modern judo that this looks incredibly different from what the sport has evolved into.