Anonymous at Thu, 21 Sep 2023 20:46:40 UTC No. 168042

>>166956
>How many pounds should I lift if I box? I know weightlifting is historically frowned upon in boxing, but nowadays it’s more acceptable if it’s lighter and mid tier weights and not bodybuilder tier. How much is too much?

Depends on your height and cardio anon. This will vary from person to person. How much muscle can you gain while still being able to perform at a high level for 12 rounds?

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 03:36:25 UTC No. 168963

>>166956
>How many pounds should I lift if I box?
depends on the type and amount of steroids you are willing to take, and your training program.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:38:54 UTC No. 168982

>>166956
You should be doing military OHP for boxing strength, deadlifting isn't that useful, do loaded carries instead.

Anonymous at Tue, 26 Sep 2023 05:50:44 UTC No. 168983

I lift weights but don't box. I would look into what muscles you use the most or the ones that get tired and train them. If you focus on lower reps you get strength, higher reps you can build endurance.
Remember to prioritize what you are doing and don't overdo the lifting in case you aren't recovering.
I would try and keep the mass down but get stronger for your size. This can be done but it's slower then just gaining weight+size.

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Oct 2023 01:34:32 UTC No. 173542

>>168982
u low iq bro

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Oct 2023 04:59:34 UTC No. 173551

>>166956
OP everything you said is flat out wrong. The "don't lift weights" is a cope by out of shape nofight retards that look at extremely minmaxed bodybuilders and tell themselves that they're going to loose spee or flexibility if they lift weights as if that state is easily achievable. The reality is that strength training is needed and will actually improve every aspect of your athletic performance included your speed and flexibility.
>>168982
Training the OHP is like trying to say you have a high IQ because you studied the test beforehand. It also is fucking terrible for your body.

Anonymous at Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:15:20 UTC No. 173690

>>173542
Not that anon, but deadlifts are legit the dumbest fucking thing ever. Crazy risk for extremely little benefit and it can be substituted for half a dozen other exercises that are safer & more effective.
>t. Kinesiology 3rd yeard undergrad.
Most athletic trainers advise against it now. Apparently it's a bad idea to adopt an exercise that requires perfect form every time or else you risk catastrophic injury.

Anonymous at Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:18:39 UTC No. 173691

>>173551
Kay, I am this guy
>>173690
Please, try to explain how OHP is bad for your body. And this better be REALLY good cause depending on your answer I am gonna link this thread on /fit/ just to start a shitstorm cause that...
>It also is fucking terrible for your body.
Is fucking retarded unless you know something I dont. How is that movement dangerous?

Anonymous at Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:22:40 UTC No. 173692

>>166956
There is nothing wrong with strength training. It only slows you down if you begin to impede flexibility. However you will get gassed easier. Muscle is heavy. There is a reason you dont see HW bouncing on their feet like middle-weights and lower.

Anonymous at Sat, 28 Oct 2023 16:37:24 UTC No. 173701

>>166956
I did muay thai and lifted. Anyone who says you can't do both is meming and doesn't know wtf they're talking about. All the top athletes lift

Anonymous at Sat, 28 Oct 2023 16:42:22 UTC No. 173702

>>173690
>Apparently it's a bad idea to adopt an exercise that requires perfect form every time or else you risk catastrophic injury.
Skill issue

Anonymous at Sat, 28 Oct 2023 17:00:43 UTC No. 173706

>>166956
You have to be asking yourself if you really want to be fighting stronger and heavier dudes. Is the strength you would gain worth it? Bigger dudes hit harder, have more of a chance of giving you brain damage. Why bulk up in a sport with weight classes? There is no incentive. You just need to focus completely on skill and technique. Guys who try and weight lift are generally insecure about their skill (or afraid to get their ass whupped) and are trying to compensate.

Anonymous at Sat, 28 Oct 2023 20:24:21 UTC No. 173728

>>173691
The OHP was never designed to be a strength training exercise; it was designed to measure your strength by stressing your body in a way its not meant really lift weight. When you fully extend into the press it puts strain on those tendons under the collarbone. Repeating this motion causes inflammation stress and damage which any physical therapist can confirm because they see this shit all the time. As form of exercise it's low gain and high risk as a opposed to exercisies from a steady position that gives high yield and low risk. The only reason people started doing the OHP press was because retarded dudebros heard the epic military exercise

Anonymous at Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:29:05 UTC No. 173833

>>173728
Total 100% bullshit. That is literally just word salad that means nothing. Not one fucking thing said in this post can ve supported by ANY form of evidence.

Anonymous at Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:49:06 UTC No. 173845

>>173728
Old body builders had flat chests because they did overhead press instead of bench press.

Mark Rippetoe also says its better for strenght than bench press.

I'm not saying its got any risk or that you have to do it, but its not just dude bros lol.

Anonymous at Tue, 31 Oct 2023 13:19:29 UTC No. 173989

>>173845
Mark was right, kinda, he always defers to functional strength. Like, when would you ever be doing the bench press motion in daily life? Almost never? When do you do overhead press, well if you have a relatively active job that requires you to lift things and place them higher than you, all the fucking time. Ergo, OHP is better for strength than bench.

Anonymous at Wed, 1 Nov 2023 00:04:05 UTC No. 174068

>>173833
You asked for a qrd and you got one. I'm not gonna educate you on anatomy
>>173845
So I'm not get bogged down in what gets you better gains. My main point is
its absolutely bad because of the way it stresses your body and the long term impact that has
>>173989
When are you lifting something straight over your head outside of a gym?

Anonymous at Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:56:32 UTC No. 174079

>>174068
>not gonna educate you on anatomy
No shit, you would have to know some first. Look retard, I am a third year kinesiology undergrad. Not one fucking thing you've said in relation to the OHP is true, anatomical or otherwise.
>When are you lifting something straight over your head outside of a gym?
This is point proof you're a fucking retarded neet larper.

Anonymous at Wed, 1 Nov 2023 03:02:43 UTC No. 174080

>>174079
answer the question

Anonymous at Wed, 1 Nov 2023 03:14:59 UTC No. 174081

>>174080
Anytime you have to place something over your fucking head you retard, you may as well.be asking when will I be breathing when I am outside my house. Just gonna assume you're a troll, else you really are really fucking stupid. Like have you never worker a minimum wage job? Never fucking put an object on a shelf taller than you? Kys.

Anonymous at Wed, 1 Nov 2023 05:10:47 UTC No. 174087

>>173551
>>173542
> ONLY DEADLIFT BRO OR YOU ARE TRASH WAAGHH!

every one of you should be shot dead.

Anonymous at Wed, 1 Nov 2023 05:27:20 UTC No. 174092

>>173551
Studying for tests is what competitive sports is especially martial arts.

You train the muscles with weights that get the most use and train your cardio to match what's required or more to simply said... Improve your chances of success.

Sports Specific Training not Sports Generic Training.

Anonymous at Wed, 1 Nov 2023 16:04:27 UTC No. 174123

>>174081
>proceeds to sperg out
>like I'm lifting things straight over my head every day bro
I accept your conession. Stop pretending to be an undergrad btw

Anonymous at Wed, 1 Nov 2023 21:37:31 UTC No. 174155

>>166956
Squat 1.5 - 2 times your body weight
Deadlift 2 - 2.5x your BW
Bench Press 1.25 - 1.5x your BW
Pull ups 5-10x with 18-20kg plates attached.
Then you are strong for your weight class

Anonymous at Thu, 2 Nov 2023 16:09:25 UTC No. 174236

>>174068
I was a house framer and I lifted beams overhead all the time. I regularly do overhead work for other things too. You must be an cubicle junkie

Anonymous at Thu, 2 Nov 2023 16:17:54 UTC No. 174238

>>174123
I gave you an example, one that most people deal with, lifting objects at work, placing objects higher than you. How about you stop larping just to get some (you)s on an anonymous image board faggot. There is nothing inherently wrong with the OHP and there are no inherent negative effects resulting from the performance of the movement. Eat shit & kill yourself.

Anonymous at Sat, 4 Nov 2023 03:48:19 UTC No. 174465

>>173833
>>174079
NTA but I'm seeing a physical therapist for this exact issue. It's not exactly a secret

Anonymous at Sat, 4 Nov 2023 11:03:14 UTC No. 174502

>>166956
I box. Weight lifting is fine but only after you've done the cardio element (ropes, roadwork, bagwork, padwork, sparring) You can go as hard as you can just bare in mind your recovery. Most prefer calisthenics.

Anonymous at Sat, 4 Nov 2023 13:12:22 UTC No. 174509

>>174465
Then your issue is caused by something else. Something wrong with what you're doing or wrong with your body. But don't tell me that it is the fault of the movement of the OHP, because thats bullshit.

Anonymous at Sat, 4 Nov 2023 19:48:10 UTC No. 174579

>>174509
I'm going to listen to my licensesd physical therapist and not a know it all internet sperg

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 14:49:59 UTC No. 178254

>>174579
The gist of your point "Overhead press is inherently bad for your body" is incorrect primarily because when performed correctly, the overhead press can be a safe and effective exercise for most healthy individuals. Here's why your argument is flawed:
>Targeted Muscle Development: The overhead press is a compound movement that effectively targets the shoulders, upper back, and arms. It's a functional exercise that mimics everyday movements.
>Joint Health and Mobility: With proper form, the overhead press can enhance shoulder stability and mobility. The movement requires and develops a range of motion in the shoulder joints.
>Bone and Muscle Health: Weight-bearing exercises like the overhead press can strengthen bones and muscles, which is beneficial for overall health, particularly as one ages.
>Customizable: It can be modified to suit various fitness levels and to accommodate certain physical limitations. For instance, seated variations can reduce lower back strain.
However, it's important to acknowledge that the overhead press may not be suitable for everyone, particularly those with pre-existing shoulder or back issues. Incorrect form or using too much weight can indeed lead to injuries. That's why it's crucial for individuals to learn proper technique and perhaps consult a fitness professional before adding this exercise to their routine, especially if they have any health concerns or physical limitations.
>tl;dr: You're getting advice from a licensed PT, your body is the problem, not the exercise.

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 17:46:17 UTC No. 178288

>>174579
Hey retard... Guess what degree PTs have lol