Anonymous at Mon, 23 Oct 2023 01:56:28 UTC No. 173053

>>173051
nope thats just movie shit

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Oct 2023 02:06:39 UTC No. 173056

This is based on a pretty common exercise
The idea here is that just through that touch you can feel the skill and intentions of your opponent

Which maybe there's some merit to that, anyone will tell you if you're doing a gi martial art you can immediately determine someone's level by the feeling of their grip on your gi

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Oct 2023 02:17:18 UTC No. 173057

>>173051
Asian traditional mysticism with no real practical use

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 03:39:22 UTC No. 173154

>>173051
No it's just movie shit

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 04:13:59 UTC No. 173160

>>173051
It comes from a training exercise, but it looks kind of cool so it's used in movies.

No, there isn't a practical reason to start a actual fight that way. It's purely a training thing taken out of context by movies because of rule of cool.
I hope I explained that well.

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:12:13 UTC No. 173196

>>173051
As someone who has actually studied Chinese martial arts, yes there is a reason.

Most Gong Fu styles that developed in the north of China come from weapon styles and their hand fighting component primarily focuses grappling takedowns.

The left arm is most often the shield bearing arm and grappling in a martial situation doesn't start until both parties become pressed together or entangled.

The left arms crossed posture indicates a starting point for drills where it is assumed both fighters are pressed together in a shield wall.

It's no longer relevant but is a relic of a time when Chinese martial arts were intended for a heavily armored battlefield environment. Today most practitioners still do it because CMA just retain features without explaining or understanding them.

Asking about CMA on this board is basically pointless though, people here are mostly clueless or literal children.

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:12:26 UTC No. 173197

>>173051
It works, but not as shown in the movies. It is about controlling the arms of a grappler and keeping the opponent; through contact and small hand movements; from grabbing you , not as a fighting stance for kicks and boxing.

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:54:54 UTC No. 173202

>>173196
>silat
>CMA
By that metric, Judo is a British style.

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:57:48 UTC No. 173203

>>173202
The OP pic is not the only example of this.

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:27:28 UTC No. 173205

>>173203
Oh since we're just taking examples from anything, CMA are actually Puerto Rican

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 16:11:22 UTC No. 173222

>>173196
You're the guy that started a thread complaining about Ramsey Dewey's popularity on youtube, aren't you?

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:55:59 UTC No. 173264

>>173202
Is a divergent style of CMA that developed after Chinese immigrants went to Indo.

>>173222
Actually, I was one of the first if not the first person to defended Ramsey Dewey in that thread. I thought the guy who made that thread had unrealistic expectations.

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Oct 2023 23:16:38 UTC No. 173273

>>173056
>The idea here is that just through that touch you can feel the skill and intentions of your opponent
It’s true in weapons arts, like HEMA

Anonymous at Wed, 25 Oct 2023 17:40:25 UTC No. 173369

>>173051
The tuishou training method is meant for you to learn how to tell where the opponent's centre of balance is so you can tackle him off balance, useful in weapon arts as well, a lot of kung fu practices come from fighting in shield walls or formations, the sand bucket training however is practical and dirty fighting training since you can't go hard without losing your sparring partners the sand bucket/rice bucket is what replaced the nuts, asshole, the eyes and the throat.

Anonymous at Wed, 25 Oct 2023 17:42:26 UTC No. 173371

>>173202
There's a lot of Kung Fu heritage around SEA martial arts you would be surprised, the fist styles are majorly forms of surviving Kung Fu.

Anonymous at Wed, 25 Oct 2023 17:52:00 UTC No. 173374

>>173264
NTA, the guy who made the Ramsey Dewey thread was some idiot who didn't understand what the channel was about or didn't like it because it didn't try to dismantle and make TMAs useless.

Anonymous at Wed, 25 Oct 2023 17:58:35 UTC No. 173379

>>173051
It's the Chinese equivalent to "starting in your corner" that you'll see in matches. Everyone in in this thread is wrong

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Oct 2023 05:55:43 UTC No. 173444

>>173379
this is also part of it, but the other anons are right too, you can't say one part is removed from the others when the application shows otherwise.

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Oct 2023 08:59:16 UTC No. 173448

>>173196
>Gong Fu styles that developed in the north of China come from weapon styles
>The left arm is most often the shield bearing arm
And yet one struggles to find a sword-and-shield form in the majority of those styles. Yes, I know you can maybe put a shield in the off-hand while doing a sabre form and depending on the form maybe end up with something that makes sense; but the vast majority of these still wouldn't work for large, rectangular shields that the Chinese employed for shield walls up north. Rattan shield with sabre often get their own forms down South; and even then the majority of strategies for troops armed with them recorded in (Ming and Qing) manuscripts are intended to work against pikemen and cavalry, not other shieldmen. Of course there is a non-zero chance that influence from even earlier dynasties could be involved, but it's doubtful that any of it survived Mongol occupation during the Yuan dynasty.

I've expressed my doubts before in a past thread long since dead; but I imagine shield and sabre combat is not a brilliant approximation for grappling. Having a shield not only severely limits the gripping options of the shield arm, but also presents a much greater number of grips at its rims, which would be key to getting past the shield, be it by grabbing with the hands or hooking with the hilt of the sabre. It also doesn't explain the CMA obsession with ambidexterity.

>the left arms crossed posture indicates-
OP has right lead on post image, as do an apparent majority of CMA practitioners.

The reality is we just don't know for sure beyond >>173056 . Yes, it's almost definitely a carry-over for some form of weapon combat but the historical evidence isn't there for conclusions any more specific than that to be drawn. Maybe it's a bind of swords. Or long polearms. Or maybe it develops generalisable skills that help with all of the above. We just don't know.

>people here are mostly clueless or literal children
This here is true though

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Oct 2023 10:31:30 UTC No. 173454

>>173448
I think you're looking mostly at styles that are far too modern. HEMA for instance has very little in the way large shield manuscripts to rely on, that isn't because they weren't used but rather because their use faded out in the 1400s. Most modern styles of European swordsmanship today are renaissance or later.

While shield styles have by and large been forgotten (in both Europe and China) for their lack of usability again gunpowder weaponry, the traditional starting position for grappling was retained since grappling itself is still deemed useful.

If you think that grappling would be too tedious with a large shield I would like to recommend you watch some videos of the various "mini-games" that Taijiquan uses. Taijiquan is a perfect example as push-hands would represent pretty accurately what a fighter might be trying to accomplish while locked in a shield wall: Push to opponent down to the ground (fixed step) or out of the ring (free step).

Remember breaking enemy formations and pushing or pressing the opponent into bad positions was half the fight for shield infantry.

Lastly, what exists in terms of Gong Fu today is mostly what was deem beautiful or artistic enough to continue. Much of that survived due to Chinese theatre. Heavy shield wall tactics aren't necessarily aesthetic like dual-swording and dual-swords isn't as effective as a shield wall. Gong Fu loves two sword styles though, it's everywhere in Wushu.

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Oct 2023 15:43:39 UTC No. 173473

>>173444
It's the only part of it. All the crap about sensing and cloud hands is wank from nofights

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:23:56 UTC No. 173520

>>173473
> sensing.
you are just putting an emphasis on a thing that's basically a fraction of it, its like a Chinese test of strength.

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:26:31 UTC No. 173521

>>173473
in the end its a training drill just like Wing Chun's chain punch drill is meant to develop strength/speed/adaptability for the student and a feel.

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Oct 2023 23:43:11 UTC No. 173531

>>173056
No it's not that only matters with shit like swords. In Kendo afaik.
Stop watchin chinkslop movies.

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Oct 2023 00:02:39 UTC No. 173534

>>173521
So much delusion packed into one post

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Oct 2023 11:41:20 UTC No. 173571

>>173531
>>173534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGHRfeZTHVA

pic related is better for unarmed combat training though, the idea is that you force the other guy to step two times in that posture, I think the guy in jeans cheated only the arm is allowed to touch.

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Oct 2023 11:42:20 UTC No. 173572

>>173571
jeans and leather jacket*

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Oct 2023 15:15:54 UTC No. 173590

>>173571
>tmc cultists continues to be embarrassing

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Oct 2023 20:07:13 UTC No. 173629

>>173590
nothing cultic about Merimiespaini its an old tradition back in Finnish schools when growing up to test yourself against other kids on an elevated platform as a game (rooster wrestling), they probably banned it now because its too dangerous because of the danger of the fall.