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Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 02:33:17 UTC No. 174874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qse
Why is this guy such a faggot?
Its been proven time and time again that MMA is the best system in current time, i could absolutely heem this dweeb faggot with an elbow.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 02:57:12 UTC No. 174881
Judo is actually the best martial art.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 03:12:57 UTC No. 174883
>>174874
>MMA
>system
pick one
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 03:45:25 UTC No. 174885
>>174874
I don’t understand how anyone can listen to this faggot talk for more than 15 seconds at a time. I seriously hope this personality he displays is just an act for the camera because if I had to train while listening to this faggot condescend to me as if saying obvious shit like “aikido bad” I’d want to kill him and/or myself.
Is there even footage of this faggot fighting? Part of me is convinced he really is an “armchair” martial artist who understands theory but can’t actually fight.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 04:09:08 UTC No. 174888
>>174885
he's a complete faggot and the place he's filming this is a wing chun gym at that
but unfortunately his takes are mostly correct even though he's a fag about it. The worst take he had was about not using hand protection when doing bag work
if you're training with any significant volume your knuckles will be shredded if you don't at least put wraps on
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 04:13:37 UTC No. 174889
>>174888
He's not even wrong about that. You'll shred your knuckles if you miss and just clip it, so just don't miss
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 04:39:05 UTC No. 174890
>>174888
>mostly correct even though he's a fag about it
Funny enough I said in an older thread in regards to palm strikes that he was “correct but a faggot.”
Anyways I was able to find this video of him getting clowned on by fucking midget Mike of all people. These two were made for each other.
https://youtu.be/cVzq5nsE_Kw?featur
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 04:41:28 UTC No. 174891
>>174889
>don’t wear a helmet while on a motorcycle bro, just don’t crash
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 05:40:53 UTC No. 174895
>>174890
Icy Mike is a real tough guy tho, just look at how he carries himself.
>training without firearms is LE BAD
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 06:04:51 UTC No. 174897
>>174890
Lol @ the way he moves side to side just because and stays in Mike's punching range just because
Don't run when you're not being chased
Also that Israel shirt
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 06:32:42 UTC No. 174901
>>174874
He seems like a dork. I think people who tend to think about what is and is not practical for self defense ironically will be less likely to defend themselves than a jock who just does it for the sport. This guy in the op would objectively improve his life faster doing weight lifting and going outside than doing martial arts anyway.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 06:49:11 UTC No. 174902
>>174901
Talking to this cop once who had a black belt in judo and I asked him so what do you find the best takedown technique is in real life, and he said just like a football tackle.
Don't overthink the task
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 07:04:29 UTC No. 174904
>>174874
Have you even watched this? He basically says mma is the best but isn't a martial art.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 07:30:10 UTC No. 174908
>>174902
This really shouldn’t be surprising. For LEO in general most of the time their taking a guy down who just wants to get away not cave your skull in (though of course that does happen sometimes). Moreover, most people don’t know how to fucking fight. At all. Shit like Krav Maga often DOES work on the street not because it’s an actual effective art but because it give people confidence in their ability. After you’ve trained a couple of years, the only reason to continue training martial arts is because for one you enjoy fighting second because you want to be able to beat other trained fighters, not retards windmilling their arms or ineffectively clinching.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 07:31:55 UTC No. 174909
>>174874
MMA isn't a system, it's a sport
>>174881
Correct
If you can only study one thing for general fighting outside of a ring it should be Judo
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 09:28:05 UTC No. 174913
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 09:46:23 UTC No. 174914
>>174913
If MMA is a system where can I find a comprehensive list of techniques?
There's plenty of Judo books that discuss all of Judo's techniques.
I've never seen an MMA book do this, since MMA isn't a system, nobody has ever sat down and written all the "MMA techniques".
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 10:58:50 UTC No. 174920
>>174874
Its weird that he made one of the best videos on cage wall wrestling/fighting, while also making one of the worst videos about striking on youtube. Feels to me like he throws out bait to attract new comers and then uploads some non bait videos to keep a viewer base. Either way he would probably perform better on Youtube if he wouldnt try to be obnoxious on purpose
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 13:06:03 UTC No. 174927
>>174881
I am a judoka and could destroy you in judo but MMA fighters would destroy top notch judokas in a fight be real.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 13:41:18 UTC No. 174929
>>174874
>Why is this guy such a faggot?
Because it gets attention/views which benefits him financially both directly and indirectly.
We live in the attention economy.
Being a attentionwhore is now a legitimate career path.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 14:41:12 UTC No. 174936
>>174914
>uhrm, ACKSHUALLY, If MMA is a system where can I find a comprehensive list of techniques?
>There's plenty of Judo books that discuss all of Judo's techniques.
>I've never seen an MMA book do this, since MMA isn't a system, nobody has ever sat down and written all the "MMA techniques".
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 15:02:10 UTC No. 174940
>>174927
No they wouldn't.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 15:55:35 UTC No. 174945
>>174936
Calling MMA a martial art is the same tier as telling people "I do UFC"
You're that guy
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 16:04:15 UTC No. 174947
>>174945
Being a pedantic retard is on the same tier as being ackshually guy.
You’re that guy.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 16:31:30 UTC No. 174949
>>174947
Calling others pedantic is just an excuse people who have too much of an ego to admit they made a mistake use to save face
Maybe instead of digging in and name calling perhaps first consider your viewpoint is the one that's incorrect
I assume this isn't the first time you've been corrected about your usage of terminology, maybe you should take that as a sign
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 16:58:01 UTC No. 174955
>>174953
Describing what just happened except using green texts doesn't suddenly flip it so you won
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 17:12:21 UTC No. 174957
>>174956
Who are you quoting?
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 17:35:48 UTC No. 174961
>>174959
Still not understanding what your end game is here though
I understand you're trying to mock me but you're failing because you continue to be wrong
You're bringing the same energy to the table as people with $200,000 in student loans and no job calling plumbers stupid because they didn't go to college
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 18:14:03 UTC No. 174962
>>174881
>>174909
Combat sambo is the best cause it's just a better judo
>>174940
Lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 18:40:02 UTC No. 174968
>>174962
Combat sambo is sport for third tier sport samboists, sport sambo is sport for third tier judokas and judo is sport for third tier freestyle wrestlers
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 18:44:21 UTC No. 174969
>>174959
You're the nigger from the other thread who got BTFO'd by some punk kid, don't you got some fucking prune juice to sip on you geezer? LMAO
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:07:53 UTC No. 174976
>>174961
You can be both correct and a faggot, retard. Are you not aware of what thread you’re in?
>>174969
>tell some teenager not to train like a retard
>point out that what he’s suggesting is the exact opposite of what a former ufc champion says to do
>his response was “ur a pussy”
Oh no, how will I ever recover
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:15:57 UTC No. 174977
>>174962
sambo isn't real
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:16:23 UTC No. 174978
>>174874
Greco-Roman/Judo depending on build with Myau Thai is the best obviously, fights start standing up not laying on the ground.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:29:07 UTC No. 174979
>>174976
sounds like you lose arguments around here quite often
And that's really saying something because this is one of the most low iq boards on the site
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:31:35 UTC No. 174981
>>174976
Dude you just suck, you can rationalize and cope and do what ever but you have to face the music and realize your an old faggot who got BTFO'd. And it's eating, EATING away at you.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:34:38 UTC No. 174984
>>174979
>be pedantic and declare yourself winner of an argument that was never even occurring
lol
>be on the opposite side of an argument as world champions and declare yourself a “winner” just because
Lmao, but most importantly
>caring about “winning arguments” on 4chan
What’s you internet fight record bro?
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:42:04 UTC No. 174988
>>174981
You followed me to another thread just to say I’m old. You seem a lot more invested in this than I am.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:43:47 UTC No. 174989
>>174984
Man you're absolutely raging right now,
I'm actually going to do you a favor and explain precisely why your original point was wrong because I actually kind of feel bad you're getting so upset
MMA is a sport, not a martial art
If you do not participate in MMA fights you do not do MMA
An example using another sport would be saying I play baseball
Oh really how is your team doing?
Well I've never actually played a game I just watch baseball a lot and hit balls at the batting cage
Okay so you don't play baseball
You don't fight? You don't do MMA
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:44:48 UTC No. 174990
>>174988
And yet here you are making up half the posts in this thread
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:56:00 UTC No. 174993
>>174945
I think you are obsessing over defenition to much. What makes a martial art for you?
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 19:57:26 UTC No. 174994
>>174989
>Man you're absolutely raging right now,
Pic related
>I'm actually going to do you a favor and explain precisely why your original point was wrong because I actually kind of feel bad you're getting so upset
My original point is that the distinction is pedantic, not wrong mr. Ackshually. I genuinely do not know how you don’t understand this even after I explicitly said so.
>>174990
When people respond to me I respond to them. That’s generally how a thread works.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:02:58 UTC No. 174996
You know what I think, I think everybody discussing this dogshit thread should post a Vocaroo of what the sound like. It's one thing to write a bunch of gish gash on the interwebs and have it sound right in your head, but when you actually say it out-loud, you'll probably sound retarded.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:11:09 UTC No. 174999
>>174996
https://vocaroo.com/1bMrQMFdX2Gp
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:16:21 UTC No. 175001
See now I feel like you don't even understand what pedantic means
Being pedantic would be Someone is telling a story about how an octopus grabbed them with their tentacle and then you chime in to say octopus's don't have tentacles, Physiologically those appendages are considered arms.
Okay but everybody understood what he meant so shut the fuck up
You on the other hand are just using words incorrectly to fit a definition you made up and insisting everyone else is wrong
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:19:38 UTC No. 175002
>>175001
All pedantic means is overly focused on unimportant details. If I ask someone what martial art he trains and he says MMA I know exactly what they mean and chiming in to say
>ackshually, MMA is a sport not a martial art
Just makes you look like a pretentious faggot, which you are.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:25:57 UTC No. 175003
>>175002
>he says MMA I know exactly what they mean
You literally don't
If someone says he does MMA you might end up with Daniel Cormier or Stephen Thompson
You have no idea what he is formally trained in when he says he does MMA
And that's why nobody says they do MMA unless they don't train at all or are a complete novice
Because every one of us that actually has a pedigree in something will tell you what that is in when you ask what martial art we practice
"I have a black belt in judo and did some amateur boxing"
"Cool I did Tae Kwon do when I was younger and mostly focus on BJJ now"
"I do mma bro" oh so you don't train, got it
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:31:20 UTC No. 175004
>>175003
That was true 10 years ago
Nowadays there are some dudes who started from an mma gym and as such trained mma from the get go
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:35:27 UTC No. 175005
>>175004
And when they go to those MMA gyms they are taking muai Thai classes or BJJ classes
There is no such thing as an MMA class, If you see that you're probably at a karate school that's doing cardio kickboxing with some bags laying on the floor that you can ground and pound
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:36:01 UTC No. 175006
>>175003
Lmao, I can see you in real life sperging out because you’d be dazed and confused by what someone meant when they said they train mixed martial arts.
>uhrm ACKSHUALLY I have no idea what you mean by mma If someone says he does MMA you might end up with Daniel Cormier or Stephen Thompson
You have no idea what he is formally trained in when he says he does MMA
Let me tell you what everyone who is not autistic is going to assume when they hear that.
>oh, this guy trains at an mma gym and probably trains a mix of striking and grappling techniques.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:37:48 UTC No. 175007
the mma revolution and its consequences are very evident in this thread
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:39:54 UTC No. 175008
>>175005
>And when they go to those MMA gyms they are taking muai Thai classes or BJJ classes
It’s crazy how in one breath you have no idea what someone means when they say they train mma and then in the next know exactly what they mean. I’ve cross trained with two mma clubs back when I used to move around a lot. In my experience if someone says they train mma there’s a 99% chance they mean Muay Thai and BJJ but at the same gym and sometimes at the same time.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:58:46 UTC No. 175010
>>175008
>if someone says they train mma there’s a 99% chance they mean Muay Thai and BJJ
If they say MMA instead of specifically saying those other things it means they suck at both and want to save face because they'll get embarrassed if you probe and ask for more details
Oh bjj? What level are you
W-white..with 2 stripes
Oh so you suck. Just easier to say MMA I guess and give at least a superficial illusion of knowing how to fight
>>175006
You seem confused
If someone says MMA I know they suck. That's the point, because they're such a novice they don't even realize MMA isn't a martial art and thus they've failed to even answer question
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:04:14 UTC No. 175012
>>175010
You’re having an autistic fit. First you say it’s not pedantic a distinction because you don’t know what people mean when they refer to mma as a martial art they train, then a few posts later you come back with
>ackshually, I know exactly what they mean but with the addendum that they suck at fighting
Anything more to add, retard?
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:28:26 UTC No. 175017
>>174978
nigger
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:36:59 UTC No. 175019
God autistic people are so fucking annoying
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:37:35 UTC No. 175020
>>175012
this is getting really tough because you honestly truly seem to have an IQ of less than 100 since you're having trouble following the conversation, and I'm not sure how much more slowly and clearly I could try to explain it to you
I'm going to give it one last try
when you are talking about MIXED martial arts it isn't the martial arts that are mixed into some kind of unidentifiable slurry
it is the rules that are mixed so different martial arts such as kickboxing, wrestling, karate, bjj, etc. have a format in which practitioners can compete against each other.
Cross training in different disciplines that compliment each other is recommended but not mandatory.
someone that has done nothing other than wrestle in college, never thrown a punch in his life can sign up for an MMA fight and say he does MMA
saying you do MMA means you participate in the SPORT of MMA. It doesn't indicate any particular style or skill set that you may have.
You understand yet ya big dummy?
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:40:28 UTC No. 175021
>>175020
>You understand yet ya big dummy?
No, can you draw a picture?
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:45:24 UTC No. 175024
>>175020
>ACKSHUALLY when you are talking about MIXED martial arts it isn't the martial arts that are mixed into some kind of unidentifiable slurry
>it is the rules that are mixed so different martial arts such as kickboxing, wrestling, karate, bjj, etc. have a format in which practitioners can compete against each other.
>Cross training in different disciplines that compliment each other is recommended but not mandatory.
someone that has done nothing other than wrestle in college, never thrown a punch in his life can sign up for an MMA fight and say he does MMA
>saying you do MMA means you participate in the SPORT of MMA. It doesn't indicate any particular style or skill set that you may have.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:47:03 UTC No. 175025
>>175024
good, I'm glad you understand
now I better not see you posting your retarded misinformed takes around here again or I'll come stick my dick in your mouth
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:48:27 UTC No. 175026
>>175025
Are you an insufferably autistic retard in real life too?
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:48:57 UTC No. 175027
>>175025
Why are you arguing with an obvious troll
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:49:02 UTC No. 175028
You guys are even bigger faggots than the guy on the attached video link.
The absolute state of the MMA Revolution lmao, go actually fight, dweebs.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:50:11 UTC No. 175031
>>175026
post your gym name and find out
>>175027
because he's wrong on the internet
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:51:31 UTC No. 175032
>>175031
>fite me irl pussy
Lmao it’s like I’m back on /asp/
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:52:36 UTC No. 175033
>>175032
yup, this is the one board where people will actually fuck you up IRL for talking shit
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:55:09 UTC No. 175034
>>175033
Lmfao, no it isn’t. Let me tell you exactly what would happen. People would talk shit and rile the board up for months with planning a date and time for an autistic version of a grudge match then one or both parties would back out and nothing would happen.
I know this for a fact because it happened at least three times on /asp/, probably more times too that I don’t remember.
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 21:57:49 UTC No. 175036
>>175034
street beefs exists now
Anonymous at Tue, 7 Nov 2023 22:00:46 UTC No. 175037
>>175036
So what? You think two anons on 4chan are going to dox themselves to fight irl over an internet argument because ostensibly they could do it with street beefs? The problem isn’t that there wasn’t a venue it’s that one or both parties just wouldn’t show up.
That said if two anons really do want to embarrass themselves in an autistic challenge match for my entertainment through street beefs I fully support their poor decision making skills.
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 01:17:48 UTC No. 175069
I don't know why we have some many lab-coats and pseudo-intellectuals in the "fighting community". I mean I do know why, it's for commercial reasons, but I seriously don't understand the substance they bring to fighting. I didn't know fighting was supposed to be this uber-sophisticated hobby with all of these technical terms and methods for the same result: Winning.
>Erhm, by my calculations, it seems that Burmese Ankle-Cleave Wrestling isn't as good as Swimble the MMA-rooted boxing style from Ethiopia because it doesn't involve as much side-ways defense like traditional blah blah blah blah
Like shut the fuck up you fucking nerd. You know what's the most important thing in fighting and how to win a fight? Especially in a "self-defense situation" (whatever the fuck that means) Causing as much trauma to the head and neck by any means possible. That means grabbing someone and throwing them into countertops, to the ground head first, elbowing them in the face, kicking and headbutting them in the face, slamming them into a wall, putting them into a choke, or what ever it is.
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 01:56:52 UTC No. 175072
>>175069
>Causing as much trauma to the head and neck by any means possible
He said he prefers control because you have near zero chance of ending up in prison for controling someone
>I don't know why we have some many lab-coats and pseudo-intellectuals in the "fighting community". I mean I do know why, it's for commercial reasons, but I seriously don't understand the substance they bring to fighting. I didn't know fighting was supposed to be this uber-sophisticated hobby with all of these technical terms and methods for the same result: Winning
Acting like this brings us aspies joy
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 02:17:13 UTC No. 175074
>>175069
/THREAD
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 02:17:56 UTC No. 175075
>>175072
>Controlling your attacker and waiting for the police to get involved and arrest the both of you is better than knocking out the attacker and leaving because the police MIGHT arrest you
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 02:34:15 UTC No. 175077
>>175075
yeah what kind of cuck faggot even calls the police
I'm a man, I don't need some idiot pig to come escalate a situation
if you come at me I'll kill you on the spot and walk away after, not gonna call any armed thugs to the scene
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 06:29:08 UTC No. 175096
>>175077
real tough guy here!
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 07:24:54 UTC No. 175100
>>175096
Correct
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:48:08 UTC No. 175102
>>175075
His thought is probably to avoid a manslaughter charge if the guy dies from the pavement. But controlling someone with grappling is not safe for self defense anyway. You gonna just sit on a nigga while the rest of them rush over and kick you in the head?
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 10:05:53 UTC No. 175104
>>175033
This has to be satire
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 15:11:33 UTC No. 175110
>>175102
>>175075
>>175072
It's actually LESS favorable in the eyes of the judiciary system to do some kind of submission and control technique on an attacker than if you accidently killed them.
First of all .The reason people think the "well if they die in a fight I'll go to prison for ever" thing is because they keep thinking about some dumb brawl as a real, life-or-death fight. If you punch some guy in the face who was arguing with you and they do hit their head on the ground and die, than yeah you're probably in thick shit. However, if someone approaches you or threatens or even spits on you and you can attest that they posed a serious threat to your life in particular and you hit them and they fall, hit the ground and die. You're 9/10 times not going to prison for the rest of your life, it would be asinine because it doesn't make any sense.
The reason you're defending yourself is because you believe, with out a doubt, that your life is in danger. If you take the time to grab someone, try to carefully arrange yourself around them, fall to the ground with them, demand someone calls the police, while also trying to wrestle on the ground with your attacker just so the police can arrest them than the point of life-endangerment gets very blurred and it just turns into a brawl with you wanting the other guy to see justice.
On the flip side, if you are approached and immediately snap up your hand or grab them and throw them over your hip, you've not only demonstrated that what you did was pretty much nature to you when in those situations, it wasn't meditated or drawn out. A guy approached you, you believed he was going to attack (he may have even spat on you) and you instinctually attacked using your accumulated knowledge.
>tl;dr Controlling someone is worse because it blurs the line of when you are in a threatened state and need to save yourself as opposed to just hitting them
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 17:11:30 UTC No. 175121
>>175110
What is the use of force continuum?
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 18:42:51 UTC No. 175126
>>175121
A flawed concept barley used by law enforcement, it's too variable-driven.
>https://nationalpolice.org/main/fo
If you're trying to control someone "soft physical control" it's gonna be really easy to enter that "hard physical control" zone if they become resistant. Also, how are you going to reach the soft physical control without the hard physical control?
I'm gonna gently grab the hand of my attacker and put them into wrist lock? This same attacker who's trying to KILL me? What happens if I try to grab them too hard, does that make it a hard control? If I collapse one of their arteries in what was supposed to be a soft controlling choke does that make it a deadly force level? What purpose was trying to use a soft control if it would end up slowly putting them to death and I willingly knew that?
The same can be used with striking or hard takedowns, I hit them and they fell to the ground and died. That becomes deadly force, I didn't want it to be but it just happened like that. However, if you claim that you knew without a doubt that the attacker was going to kill you or put your life in serious harm and the point to exhaust less violent options has passed AND you hit them, they die than it can't been see as just manslaughter or any degree of murder.
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 19:44:40 UTC No. 175128
>>175126
>I'm gonna gently grab the hand of my attacker and put them into wrist lock? This same attacker who's trying to KILL me
If they’re trying to kill you you jump to deadly force you retard. How sheltered are you from real life that you’ve never been in a situation where it would be acceptable to push or hold someone but not fucking shoot them? If someone is following you around and lightly pushing your shoulder are you going to jump straight to gunning them down in the street?
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 20:03:57 UTC No. 175132
>>175128
>but what if
What if what? We're not talking about if someone taps your shoulder, we're talking about if someone's trying to kill you or attack you head-on. If someone's following you around pushing you on the shoulder than I don't really know, that's probably not a situation to ever happen and if it is you can make the claim they attacked you and you were in fear for your life regardless.
Why did you bring in force continuum anyways? It's something that only very few police departments still constitute as usable? It has pretty much zero do with civilians because civilians aren't taught law enforcement de-escalation and analysis tactics.
Was your goal to just to make an enemy today?
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 20:22:27 UTC No. 175136
>>175132
>We're not talking about if someone taps your shoulder, we're talking about if someone's trying to kill you or attack you head-on
I was under the impression we were talking about self defense which encompasses a lot more scenarios than just serial killers and assassins trying to murder you. I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of your dumb post.
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 20:30:01 UTC No. 175139
>>175136
Good, go lay down and go to bed.
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 20:32:10 UTC No. 175140
>>175139
Autism
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 22:53:17 UTC No. 175152
Anonymous at Wed, 8 Nov 2023 23:58:30 UTC No. 175161
>>175152
How
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 02:02:02 UTC No. 175174
>>175161
lmao are you fucking kidding?
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 02:28:43 UTC No. 175177
>>175174
No. Explain why it’s a bad idea to use an appropriate level of force for a given situation and how controlling someone is going to end up worse legally than beating them to death. I’d love to hear why that’s retarded.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 03:13:28 UTC No. 175180
>>175177
>Explain why it’s a bad idea to use an appropriate level of force for a given situation
uh seems like a little bit of trying to save face with that argument when everything you said was pretty all retarded
>I was under the impression we were talking about self defense
we are, you're just trying to make the argument really funky with bizarre hypothetical situations like "uhhhh what happens if some midget tries to poke you in the dick do you shoot them uuhh" like nigger what are you fucking talking about? a "self-defense" situation is when someone is putting you in extreme, life-threatening danger and you need to act immediately to stop them. you don't go through a mental checklist of what which skill check you have to use against them like its fucking fallout. literal keyboard untrained faggotry
>killers and assassins trying to murder you
what? its literally like one extreme or the other with you, it's either a top tier killer is trying to kill you willy wonka fucking with your jive lol
>I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of your dumb post.
literally rage quit a fucking 4chan argument
>controlling someone is going to end up worse legally than beating them to death
beating them to death? what the fuck are you even on about? the guy said if you knocked someone out with like a single blow or something or did some leg reap on them, not doing some brawl out with them. the argument is that you think 'controlling' your attacker is a 'good idea' because its not as lethal (even though if you fuck up it can easily become lethal and make the whole point of what you were trying to do moot), but the whole purpose of self-defense is to stop a life-threatening attacker by any means necessary. you're using some fucked-up, dinosaur police chart for threat levels that cops don't even refer to anymore because of how bad it is. you can't plan what the other guy is doing and you can't do this quick-mathz meme shit if you're in actual life or death scenario.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 03:26:27 UTC No. 175183
>>175180
>a "self-defense" situation is when someone is putting you in extreme, life-threatening danger and you need to act immediately to stop them
There’s more things that could call for defending yourself then “immediate life threatening danger” you over dramatic autist. Have you never been in a fight?
>mental check list
Non-autistic people don’t have trouble reading a situation and responding with an appropriate level of force.
> either a top tier killer is trying to kill you willy wonka fucking with your jive lol
No it’s not I was simply trying to point out that there are situations that call for deadly force and situations that don’t. The above anon no bullshit said you’re better off legally if you kill a guy who spit on and threatened you then you would be if you tossed him to the floor and held him down a bit. That’s completely deranged.
>>175180
>what the fuck are you even on about
>However, if someone approaches you or threatens or even spits on you and you can attest that they posed a serious threat to your life in particular and you hit them and they fall, hit the ground and die. You're 9/10 times not going to prison for the rest of your life
That’s a direct quote. If someone makes a vague threat and spits on you you’ll totally fine if you then kill them. Big brained stuff, won’t land you in prison “9/10 times”
> but the whole purpose of self-defense is to stop a life-threatening attacker by any means necessary
Again, if you actually think this is the only time you can or ever should defend yourself you’re a retard. Not every use of violence is a life or death situation you autist.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 03:36:57 UTC No. 175184
>>175183
>There’s more things that could call for defending yourself then “immediate life threatening danger” you over dramatic autist. Have you never been in a fight?
this is in the court of law right? we're playing lawyers right? ok you HAVE TO, you fucking retarded monkey, YOU MUST claim that YOUR LIFE yes YOU and YOUR LIFE was being THREATHENED by the ATTACKER and you BELIEVED WITHOUT A SINGLE DOUBT you were GOING TO DIE. And you defended yourself. You can't get into a brawl with some guy in a bar, beat them up or put them in some Ezekiel choke or sit on top of them while trying to clobber them and claim self-defense. the threat was no longer present and your life was no longer being threatened (are you still following?) thats we have self-defense laws, to defend your life against someone trying to attack and kill you. Are you from some shithole country that doesn't have simplest laws?
>Non-autistic people don’t have trouble reading a situation and responding with an appropriate level of force.
if i came up to you and hocked a ball of spit in your face, what is your little checklist for that? is it step 1 or step 5 or step 2 or step 3.5?
>The above anon no bullshit said you’re better off legally if you kill a guy who spit on and threatened you then you would be if you tossed him to the floor and held him down a bit. That’s completely deranged.
YOU ARE THOUGH, if someone comes up and ATTACKS YOU AND THREATHENS YOUR LIFE AND USE PHYSICAL RETALATION THAT KILLS THEM IT WAS JUSTIFIABLE BECAUSE THE FUCKING ATTACKED YOU
if you tried to willingly roll on the ground with them after the fact they did that and are out for your blood (TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE (PAY ATTENTION YOU TO THIS YOU FAGGOT)) thats gonna make everyone watching and filming and seeing it in the jury stands a bit iffy on your claim that you were defending your life. unless they already get you the ground by pushing you and getting on top of you and you try to pull some choke move than that's A-OKAY
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 03:42:51 UTC No. 175187
>>175183
>If someone makes a vague threat and spits on you you’ll totally fine if you then kill them
dude, if someone attacks you (spitting on you) while threatening to kill you while coming up to you, you can defend your self by attacking them. if they die, they die. you protected your life because you believed you were going to die if you didn't. what the fuck is matter with you? are you European? do they not have these kinds of laws? Do you have this constant head noise drumming in you making it so you can't connect 2 and 2 together?
>Not every use of violence is a life or death situation you autist.
you're not intending to kill the guy, you're just intending to save your life in a self-defense situtation
in the simplest of terms, even a fucking monkey could understand this:
you're not intending to kill the guy, you're just intending to save your life in a self-defense situation by any means necessary
post belt or else get fucked
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 03:50:35 UTC No. 175188
>>175184
>we're playing lawyers right? ok you HAVE TO, you fucking retarded monkey, YOU MUST claim that YOUR LIFE yes YOU and YOUR LIFE was being THREATHENED by the ATTACKER and you BELIEVED WITHOUT A SINGLE DOUBT you were GOING TO DIE.
that’s only if you use deadly force you retard.
> You can't get into a brawl with some guy in a bar, beat them up or put them in some Ezekiel choke or sit on top of them while trying to clobber them and claim self-defense
If they’re no longer able to continue fighting sure, you can’t keep hitting them. But yes you can absolutely defend yourself with empty hand skills, not kill them, and still be fine legally. I have no idea why you don’t believe this. People can threaten bodily harm without threatening your life.
> the threat was no longer present and your life was no longer being threatened (are you still following?) thats we have self-defense laws, to defend your life against someone trying to attack and kill you
I’m not following because you’re completely wrong and autistic. You don’t have to be ABOUT TO FUCKING DIEEE AAAAAAAAA to protect yourself from bodily harm.
>Are you from some shithole country that doesn't have simplest laws?
I live in America, I just actually go outside instead of reading fearporn on /k/ and /pol/ all day.
> if i came up to you and hocked a ball of spit in your face, what is your little checklist for that? is it step 1 or step 5 or step 2 or step 3.5
Spitting in the face is physical assault and justifies a physical, non lethal response. You would be within your rights to slap them, push them away or throw them on the floor. Beyond that would be an escalation. (Cont)
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 03:54:07 UTC No. 175189
>>175184
Cont
> YOU ARE THOUGH, if someone comes up and ATTACKS YOU AND THREATHENS YOUR LIFE AND USE PHYSICAL RETALATION THAT KILLS THEM IT WAS JUSTIFIABLE BECAUSE THE FUCKING ATTACKED YOU
Quit tard ranging for a second and use your brain. Yes, if you are in danger of losing your life you are justified in using deadly force. If you are in danger of bodily harm but not losing your life you are justified in use of intermediate levels of force. This isn’t a hard concept you’re just to stupid to understand that bodily arm and ABOUT TO FUCKING DIE ARHGHEUXHRJWUCH are both things that can happen in reality, and youre always better off avoiding a manslaughter charge.
> if you tried to willingly roll on the ground with them after the fact they did that and are out for your blood (TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE (PAY ATTENTION YOU TO THIS YOU FAGGOT)) thats gonna make everyone watching and filming and seeing it in the jury stands a bit iffy on your claim that you were defending your life
Again, you can claim self defense from bodily harm it doesn’t have to be your life. How fucking old are you? You really think everyone’s going to start recording and gang up against you after watching you defend yourself from an erratic spitting schizo?
I’m going to finish this off by posting real world examples to show how retarded you are.
https://youtu.be/2YY6oqLhefo?featur
https://youtu.be/U6xlvHM6jYY?featur
Now take a few deep breathes since you’re clearly very worked up
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:02:56 UTC No. 175191
>>175188
>that’s only if you use deadly force you retard.
do you just like roll a 99 and decide if you're going to use deadly force in a hand-to-hand altercation?
>People can threaten bodily harm without threatening your life.
why would you in a court room try to downplay what the other guy was saying or doing to you? if someone threatens you, its a threat against your life. If someone says they're gonna kick your ass, it's not different from them saying I'm gonna beat you to death. It's both a threat against your life. Remembering, we're going off of the judiciary system, not fucking reddit.
>I’m not following because you’re completely wrong and autistic. You don’t have to be ABOUT TO FUCKING DIEEE AAAAAAAAA to protect yourself from bodily harm.
yeah you do, the court system is not gonna be to fancy about you just fighting random people and claiming it was 'no biggie' in the first place. you're literally trying to take the argument of "im gonna use my sick and badass ninja bjj skillz and boxing skillz just to knockout like random homeless people who ramble to themselves and may have said something to me and than ill claim how the situation wasn't that dire but still warranted substantial physical force"
>I live in America, I just actually go outside instead of reading fearporn on /k/ and /pol/ all day.
which bumfuck flyover do you live in?
>justifies a physical, non lethal response
how do you justify that? thats the biggest fucking flaw in your claim. you can't. If I came up to you and spit in your face and I'm like a foot away from you and I'm about to grab you and I have rage in my eyes against you, do you stand their and evaluate the situation and declare that you should use non-lethal physical force? NO! you just use force! you're overcomplicating and pretty much bureaucratizing physical altercations WORSE than a judge.
>You would be within your rights to slap them, push them away or throw them on the floor.
LMAO
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:14:48 UTC No. 175192
>>175189
you're not understanding the whole point of this debate, if you go into a court room and try to say how the fight you were in wasn't that big of a deal and you didn't feel like you were going to die you're gonna get so fucking ruled out it's not even funny.
>and youre always better off avoiding a manslaughter charge.
so you'd rather roll around the ground trying to submit someone, wait for the po-po to come, go to jail, make the argument that the situation wasn't as dire as you thought and just wanted to control the guy, waste months in court with this pretty much non-sequitur defense, end up getting a battery or misdemeanor assault charge (all of this is hoping you didn't kill the guy somehow still) INSTEAD of using your total cumulative force in those few seconds to stop what ever is happening against you and having the solid case in court that you believe you were going to die, without a doubt, by the attacker because you might do so well that you kill them?
>Again, you can claim self defense from bodily harm it doesn’t have to be your life. How fucking old are you?
Why would you not want to take the position of total victimhood in a court case and claim you were going to die?
Sick vids bro, here's this one:
https://youtu.be/SV19J5ysSCE?si=cXb
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:19:00 UTC No. 175193
>>175187
I genuinely don’t understand how you two retards cannot grasp the concept of trying not to go to a manslaughter trial by mitigating risk of killing someone who is a threat to bodily harm but not a threat to life. Moreover, if you actually believed this trite that you have to defend yourself “by any means necessary” or “I have to be defending my life” you’d just shoot anyone that spat on you. I assume you’re not so retarded you can’t understand there are some situations that call for a gun and others that don’t, right?
>bro but if they die they die it’s fine
>bro you must be a yuropoor
I’m American and I’m a paralegal. The law makes stupid mistakes all the time. Don’t expect that just because you think you were in the right the state is going to see it that way. Even if you can win a jury trial you’re going to be 100k in debt in legal fees to fight the charge and end up just taking a plea bargain. Happens all the time.
>hurr durr post your belt
I don’t see how that effects a legal argument but here you go. I actually just passed my test for shodan in judo I’m just waiting for the paperwork to come back
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:23:35 UTC No. 175194
>>175189
>https://youtu.be/U6xlvHM6jYY?featu
that's not self-defense, that's just a citizens arrest. he couldn't make the argument of self-defense but he could make the argument of making a citizens arrest and with the lengthy evidence of it he recorded and the fact it's in Illinois (a state that allows citizen arrests under certain circumstances) it's fine.
>https://youtu.be/2YY6oqLhefo?si=Yg
pretty much the same thing, he's defending his life and making a citizens arrest. even with the help of another guy. if the guy in the blue shirt immediately took him down as hard as he could and got back up it would be under the claim of self-defense and it would be fine.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:24:33 UTC No. 175195
>>175191
>do you just like roll a 99 and decide if you're going to use deadly force in a hand-to-hand altercation
You act like an “altercation” is completely random and you can’t ever know what’s going to happen. Do you get ready for a gun fight every time someone flips you off in traffic?
> why would you in a court room try to downplay what the other guy was saying or doing to you
Because courts and juries aren’t as retarded as you seem to think you are and no one’s going to buy that just spitting on someone is a deadly threat.
> If someone says they're gonna kick your ass, it's not different from them saying I'm gonna beat you to death
Lmao, good luck making that argument after accidentally killing a guy who spat on you.
>which bumfuck flyover do you live in?
First you accuse me of being a european without self defense laws and now it’s a bad thing if I’m not a liberal urbanite? Which is it?
> I came up to you and spit in your face and I'm like a foot away from you and I'm about to grab you and I have rage in my eyes against you, do you stand their and evaluate the situation and declare that you should use non-lethal physical force?
How slow is your reaction speed that you can’t read a situation like that? Yes I would use intermediate force. I wouldn’t draw my gun.
> you're overcomplicating and pretty much bureaucratizing physical altercations WORSE than a judge.
You’re oversimplifying everything into a life or death scenario, it’s autistic.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:27:34 UTC No. 175196
>>175194
A citizens arrest made in defense of others, Usually equivalent to self defense, and self defense against bodily harm, not a threat to his life. This conversation is clearly nonproductive so I’m going to stop. Bodily harm is a legitimate reason to defend yourself but does not call for deadly force. Full stop. You’re wrong on this. Going in with the attitude of “if he dies it’s fine I was defending myself” is going to land you with a manslaughter charge. This is something that it’s a good idea to avoid. Taking reasonable steps to avoid unnecessarily harming someone is a good idea. I’m right about this, you’re wrong, end of story. Goodnight anon. You’re welcome to get the last word. Be sure to fill it with caps lock.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:32:24 UTC No. 175197
>>175193
>you’d just shoot anyone that spat on you
you can, if someone walks up and spits in your face and keeps approaching you, you can legally pull out a gun and empty into them with the claim you were in fear for your life. although you probably would just hook them across the head instead of fiddling with a gun since it's happening very suddenly.
>>bro but if they die they die it’s fine
yeah, it is, if its under the right circumstances and you are able to claim 100% you believed you were going to die. but if you just wanted to make someone stop talking you're in a bad spot.
>I’m a paralegal
i bet you are
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:33:18 UTC No. 175198
>>175196
Oh, one more thing before I go. Just to nail the point home.
>in the U.S., the general rule is that "[a] person is privileged to use such force as reasonably appears necessary to defend him or herself against an apparent threat of unlawful and immediate violence from another."[1] In cases involving non-deadly force, this means that the person must reasonably believe that their use of force was necessary to prevent imminent, unlawful physical harm.[2] When the use of deadly force is involved in a self-defense claim, the person must also reasonably believe that their use of deadly force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's infliction of great bodily harm or death.[3]
There’s a distinction made in cases involving force and deadly force and a different legal standard for what justifies it. Wonder why that might be. Maybe if you two put your heads together you can figure it out.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:35:30 UTC No. 175199
>>175197
God damn it I was about to leave and then you post this gem.
>you can, if someone walks up and spits in your face and keeps approaching you, you can legally pull out a gun and empty into them with the claim you were in fear for your life.
Lol, lmao even. Good luck with that, retard. Goodnight for real this time.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:43:21 UTC No. 175201
>>175195
>You act like an “altercation” is completely random and you can’t ever know what’s going to happen
>bro i know exactly whats gonna happen and how im going to do what im going to do and what im going to do after the guy does what im going to do im just THAT good
>Because courts and juries aren’t as retarded as you seem to think you are and no one’s going to buy that just spitting on someone is a deadly threat.
spitting on someone and walking into them with the intent to attack them (like spitting on them) is grounds for self-defense because you believe that you're going to be killed if you don't. if someone spits on you, you don't know what they have and they could be spreading some horrible virus. Never underestimate the stupidity of other people, that's a good lesson to know and has helped (especially while conversating with you)
>Lmao, good luck making that argument after accidentally killing a guy who spat on you.
>someone threatening you and spitting on you is not a good argument for self-defense in the court of law
>Yes I would use intermediate force
yeah you would slap your glove in their face i already laughed at that earlier
>You’re oversimplifying everything into a life or death scenario, it’s autistic.
in court, that's what matters the most for these kinds of things. for a paralegal you seem pretty new, did you just go from receptionist to specialist in a week?
>Bodily harm is a legitimate reason to defend yourself but does not call for deadly force
yeah it does, its bodily harm. its a constant harm against you that you believe wont stop unless you act with maximum force to stop them.
>Going in with the attitude of “if he dies it’s fine I was defending myself”
if you believe they were trying to attack and kill you yeah its okay
>You’re welcome to get the last word. Be sure to fill it with caps lock.
yeah get ready to bring people coffee and donuts for the next 30 years mr. Cochran
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:47:10 UTC No. 175202
>>175199
>When the use of deadly force is involved in a self-defense claim, the person must also reasonably believe that their use of deadly force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's infliction of great bodily harm or death
so like when someone spits on you and tries to further attack you?
>66BE738E-DD6C-4BCB-81D9-2
Oh my god you're the fucking old fart who got btfo'd
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:51:42 UTC No. 175203
>>175202
that explains everything, this is like the ending to Primial Fear. but you're just some old geezer whos too afraid to train hard and if someone got into his face and threatened to kill him he would probably piss himself while trying to perform some wrist lock on them
you are in the hole for 3 debates dude, get with it
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:18:46 UTC No. 175237
>>175202
>>175203
So are you two so retarded you can’t recognize an iPhone file name or are you so retarded you think everyone phoneposting is the same person? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised either way considering you think you can gun men down in the street for spitting on you since spit constitutes “great bodily harm” in your eyes.
You two realize “Your honor, I FEARED FOR MY LIFE” isn’t a cheat code to get out of prison right? You remember the dumpster defenders? They were unequivocally threatened with death and attacked with a deadly weapon.
https://youtu.be/0sE-rijIbz0?featur
Despite living in a stand your ground state they’re both in prison now. I sincerely hope neither of you idiots actually own firearms because if you do and actually believe the bullshit you’re spewing your bound to end up on trial someday too.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 14:15:53 UTC No. 175248
>>174874
>MMA is not a style, is sport.
Ffs, how you gonna call it a martial art when there are rules.
>2dedly4u
Sad but true. If you took the same amount of blows to the throat as any mook in an Am/Pro circuit fight night for 1 round, you would be fucking dead or crippled, 100% guarantee. Our brain basket is the most well protected part of the body, its sits upon one of the most vital & least protected parts of the body. Sorry I am ranting but this is the one argument for MMA not being a style that always gets me. A style is restriced in form only, not application. MMA is zero restriction in form, technically, but lots of restriction in application.
>B-b-but muh pressure test
Yup, you're 100% correct. Let me know when you can jump into a UFC ring and start chopping down necks, leopard punching kidneys into oblivion, and tearing at loose flesh.
>B-b-but muh vale tudo and the good ol days
Look retards, you will never 'win' this argument because there is never going ti be a group of people insane or stupid enough to pressure test hardcore TMA shit because... It would be insane & stupid, and medical knowledge is a thing. Judo bros know whats up. Most injuries of any TMA style and its considered to be fucking tame in terms of violence.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 15:25:14 UTC No. 175256
If someone causes any kind of bodily harm against you and they're persistent with trying to attack you, which causes you to unintentionally kill them by knocking them out. You are not in the wrong and you probably wouldn't go to prison for manslaughter given that you have proper evidence to show that you were in fear for your life. If someone is having words with you across a pool table and you stomp up to them and try to beat them up, that's not self-defense. If someone pushes you on the back while in line, that's not grounds for self-defense. But if someone is trying to physically attack and hurt you and you retaliate with physical unarmed force, that's not wrong and if they die you're not a fault since they brought it entirely on themselves. Again, this is dependent on how much evidence you can show to prove this.
As for the question of if controlling someone is better than knocking them out, it's entirely dependent on the situation and it's impossible to try and determine which is better. On one side, you try to control someone and you hold on for too long and they die so now it's almost seen as 2nd degree murder rather than just manslaughter. But on the other, if you knock someone out and they die and it didn't seem like the situation was has intense for either party than the same outcome can be applied. It's stupid to even have any position on this argument.
(Also side note: Isn't that whole 'Force of Continuum' and use of 'Deadly Force' only applicable to firearms? Since hand-to-hand combat isn't intentionally used as deadly force it's kind of over-ruled as trying to use deadly force but I don't know, I'm not criminal defense attorney. Just seems like you guys keep bringing guns into the mix of hand-to-hand combat self defense situations and it's mudding everything up.)
Anyways, I don't want to be roped into this pot, just my two cents.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 15:37:41 UTC No. 175259
>>175237
I don't think the dumpster defender video is a good example. It's evident that they weren't in fear for their life so they couldn't use that as a defense. Not only did they already have guns drawn on the other guy, but the other guy didn't approach them. He just threw that 2x4 at one of them and they bought fired on him. But none of this matters when you realize that they just took way too long with reacting. If the two just happened to show up and the guy came up right after and with his intentions and the two fired upon him as soon as he came up at them that would be possibly permissible (again, not an attorney).
The whole problem with what they did though was they knew what was probably going to happen and came with guns, welcoming the situation. It was almost entirely premeditated.
Anonymous at Thu, 9 Nov 2023 15:42:59 UTC No. 175260
>>175259
Okay, I actually just rewatched the video. So the guy did step against him like multiple times but the father didn't do anything. He just took way too long and was actually welcoming the guy to 'take a swing' at him in a situation that was already just trivial to start with. It was clear it wasn't self defense, he was totally just open to it.
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Nov 2023 03:31:53 UTC No. 175349
>>174968
>Combat sambo is sport for third tier sport samboists,
True! LOL
>sport sambo is sport for third tier judokas
True! LOL
>and judo is sport for third tier freestyle wrestlers
Kill yourself.
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Nov 2023 03:37:27 UTC No. 175350
>>175349
Sambo is definitely not real though, firstly it's Russian so its totally fixed
Second there's no choking
3rd the jacket they wear is even less realistic then the judo one because it has those shoulder flaps too
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Nov 2023 04:02:50 UTC No. 175352
>>175350
>Second there's no choking
Every sambist in Russia cross-trains in judo so they know how to do chokes.
And the sambo gear is the best of both worlds in combining judo and wrestling aesthetics. Shoes and shorts are better to wear in practice while I do agree that the kurtka is a bit impractical with those shoulder flaps, but it's the only drawback I see.
Anyhow cross-training is a must. Even before MMA was visualized in the 1980's in Japan via Shoot or UFC in 1993, people knew you couldn't be 1-dimensional. Bruce Lee talked about it in The Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Jon Bluming advocated combining Muay Thai + Kyokushin + Judo in his Kyoushin Budokai organization. Hell Bartitsu is arguably the first modern MMA since it took everything from Savate, fencing, Queesbury-rules boxing, Kodokan Judo, various Koryu Jujutsu styles, European wrestling and tried to make an eclectic approach to armed and unarmed combat.
I do boxing and judo, but I managed to pick up on low kicks thanks to a Kyokushin buddy and 2 Muay Thai guys I met in college. I also roll with Jiu-Jitieros and ex-collegiate wrestlers so I have a better grasp on guardwork/sweeps (not that my judo club doesn't do newaza, it's just that groundfighting is the bread-and-butter of BJJ so why not learn from guys who specialize in it?) as well as scrambling and other reversals from the dudes who wrestled in HS/college. Very few people have the time and resources to train everyday in striking, grappling, trapping styles to become a complete fighter. And this also boils down to if someone wants to be a pro fighter or an autistic hobbyist.
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Nov 2023 11:25:46 UTC No. 175383
This thread has reached absolute retardation, im drunk and high btw, also i have an 8 inch cock, fuck you nigger faggots!
also
>pic related
a real martial artist, get owned cucks
OWNED
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Nov 2023 11:49:33 UTC No. 175387
>>175383
Based taste
Yeah i couldnt follow this thread since the MMA and Judo guy started fighting lol
Anonymous at Fri, 10 Nov 2023 23:25:32 UTC No. 175441
>>175387
Its known Martial Arts and Fighting Sports always attract some serious schizos that think they know what they're talking about, JUST LOOK AT COUNT DANTE.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 15:24:18 UTC No. 178935
>>175349
>>175350
Look at these retards, prime example of plebian faggot casuals. Never forget that this /xs/ where maybe 1 percent of posters have any clue what their fucking talking about & maybe .5% currently train.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:36:59 UTC No. 179041
>>174978
>Myau Thai
are you a cat?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 23:47:50 UTC No. 179077
>>174891
Sounds like a skill issue brother
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 23:50:18 UTC No. 179078
>>179077
>t. Road rash recipient
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 23:51:51 UTC No. 179079
>>179078
I don't ride motorcycles anyway so what do I care
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Dec 2023 01:21:34 UTC No. 179091
>>174914
Learning any physical sport from a fuckin book....
Ngmi
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Dec 2023 07:57:38 UTC No. 179140
>>179041
> T. BJJ Floor lover faggot.