Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 01:22:33 UTC No. 177805

there is no skill in fighting, it's a cope
strength always wins which is why they even have weight classes in the first place

all things equal some skill will help give you the edge but at the end of the day might makes right, if you're physically weaker than your opponent by a significant margin I don't care how skilled you are, you lose
I would literally kill Demetrious Johnson, I outweigh him by 100lbs. Same energy here

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 01:37:44 UTC No. 177809

>>177805
>there is no skill in fighting

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 02:02:35 UTC No. 177813

>>177802
>>177805
I wouldnt say NO skill but this is mostly right. Fighting at all doesn't take a lot of it. When skill is approximately equal the deciding factor is raw athleticism. But that works the other way around too. When athleticism is equal the deciding factor is skill. Thats the whole point of weight classes, which you seem to miss. So, heres your (you)s you fucking retards. Good job on pointing out the obvious & irrelevant.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 02:09:05 UTC No. 177815

>>177809
I could hit harder and move faster than every female on the UFC roster and I'm a complete hobbyist nobody
They lack the offensive capabilities to do anything to me
They have trouble knocking each other out
I'd walk through everything they have like a T1000 and literally cave their skulls in, not even being hyperbolic about that either

Their thousands of hours of professional training is nothing compared to my past its prime 3x a week casual weight lifting male physique

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 02:21:21 UTC No. 177816

>>177815
>and I'm a complete hobbyist
>hobbyist
Nobody gives a shit about women "fighters", as they're basically children.

Go spar some lightweight boxers with their pro-cards and see what happens. Go roll with some lightweight BJJ black belts, or some lightweight Muay Thai fighters with pro-cards. You obviously need some sense beaten into you, and it's better that happens in a controlled environment in a gym than in some bar or street where they might just kill your dumb ass.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 02:43:58 UTC No. 177823

>>177816
I will not spar with them, that would only serve them where they can be quick little bastards and I have to hold back since it's just sparring
I will fight them though and the results would be the same as with the women

I'd make the Thai guy achieve their destiny of being a ladyboy on the spot
The Brazilians too

Actually come to think of it why are these countries in particular supposedly known for bring such great fighters complete faggots at a higher rate than everyone else?

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 05:18:06 UTC No. 177829

>>177805
What is there skill in if not in fighting?

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 06:46:31 UTC No. 177837

>>177823
t. never had a real fight in their life

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 09:25:33 UTC No. 177840

>>177805
So where are Sapp's and Pudzianowski's world champion belts?

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:03:28 UTC No. 177841

>>177805
There are a few caveats to this:
>Strength is oftentimes relative to the movments your muscles are used to performing, being strong on bench doesn't necessarily mean you'll punch hard, for example
>Certain moves like head kicks or chokes can allow smaller guys to overcome some size disparity

Obviously, at the end of the day, you can train your whole life and you are still 100% guaranteed to get rekt by a gorilla

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 13:32:32 UTC No. 177852

>>177841
If you punch with your pecs you are an idiot. You punch with your hips, back and shoulders, which can muster much more force.
Bench press is one of the least useful lifts ever.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 18:08:22 UTC No. 177886

>>177802
>this would be a good example of...
Hafþór getting the shit beat out of him

Dude isn't pro-tier, let alone a champion pro-tier, like Fury. Some of you guys are absolutely delusional. There is a HUGE difference between an amateur and a pro, and there is even a bigger difference between a pro and a champion-tier pro. The men that rise to the top of their respective sports are on a completely different level...they're basically freaks. Bjornsson would get his ass kicked by random journeyman boxers, let alone a champion like Tyson Fury.

>webm related
You need more than just strength and size to win in combat sports.

Anonymous at Sat, 2 Dec 2023 18:30:56 UTC No. 177889

>>177805
The only one coping is you. Your big lumbering fat ass would get yourself beat into a coma. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because you've clearly never had a fight in your life.

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 02:38:54 UTC No. 178058

>>177823
you can lightly spar with them and go full speed, and if you land one significant strike before they land one then you can determine you would've won. It's not like you're going to blast through their guard or something man haha. Sparring is fairly realistic. Other than that just take an amateur fight or something or challenge someone, no reason not to :o)

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 08:24:30 UTC No. 178073

>>177805
Fpwp
What a stupid fucking take from someone who clearly has never watched any sort of professional fighting

Anonymous at Mon, 4 Dec 2023 08:52:02 UTC No. 178078

>>177823
You should post this challenge publicly with your name and face attached to it

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:41:51 UTC No. 178199

You're all a bunch of niggers they are both important for different reasons. But most people who rely on strenght are just on a power trip and too retarded to fight effectively anyways

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:09:13 UTC No. 178206

>>177852
Untill you need to grapple. Bench press is not just a pushing force, its compression as well, and it makes major contributions to your punch force. You're an idiot if you don't utilize the entire kinetic chain, putting your whole body behind the punch. Yes, it is possible.
>source: 3rd year kinesiology major

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 06:00:44 UTC No. 178221

>>178078
I would if there was some kind of significant financial gain for doing it
I've always said I'd fight anyone but it has to be worth my while, worth the time I'd spend promoting and traveling and what not

Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 11:09:49 UTC No. 178237

>>177829
playing the piano

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 22:43:49 UTC No. 178412

>>177805
Weight classes exist in pro fighting because both people are highly trained fighters, retard. You would charge at Demetrious Johnson thinking you could pick him up and slam him but you'd just get knocked out instead.

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 22:51:11 UTC No. 178414

>>178221
Bet 5 grand on it and I guarantee someone will take your challenge. Surely your confident you wouldn’t lose that money right?

Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 23:57:21 UTC No. 178418

>>178412
Cute webm, notice how these dumbass BJJ faggot challenges always require adhering to the ruleset. Cause you would get fucking demolished without the protection of those rules. Which is why BJJs dominance is a a fucking fantasy that only exists in a ruleset. If they were allowed to put hands on your throat you would be fucking dead.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:45:53 UTC No. 178433

>>178412
the only reason he's alive is because slamming is illegal

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:53:04 UTC No. 178436

>>177802
There's no skill or discipline in your pic, you know that right? If it werent for steroids the mountain would be a lanky BBaller.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 08:18:04 UTC No. 178493

>>178418
Why do people keep repeating this, even though bjj got popular thanks to winning vale tudo and early ufc?

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 19:51:18 UTC No. 178763

>>178418
>it's this stupid argument again
You realize that your "no rules" ruleset means the BJJ guy wouldn't have to abide by rules either, right?

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 22:05:52 UTC No. 178787

>>178493
you've just found out most people here are armchair fighters who've never trained

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 22:10:40 UTC No. 178789

>>178493
UFC 1 was a complete farce where the winners brother picked a handful of literal nobodies to fight under rules they invented and changed on the fly throughout the night
wow did you see this brazilian guy win a fight against 3 literal whos? obviously this invalidates all other martial arts!

appealing to UFC is an IQ test

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 22:29:52 UTC No. 178791

>>177823
>where they can be quick little bastards
But you just said you're faster?
Sparring women is incredibly easy for me and even the quick ones are still slower than me

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 22:42:34 UTC No. 178795

>>178789
>a conspiracy theory is his only defense

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:07:53 UTC No. 178800

>>178795
it's really unfortunate you're so deep into the propaganda you cant even trust your own eyes

it's sort of funny in a way that all these supposedly legit people can't see through the same bullshido grift when it's being done to them

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:12:03 UTC No. 178804

>>178795
That's not a conspiracy your fucking retarded casual. That's well known lore of MMA origins. That greentext is proof you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. This is why when you watch other promotions that were closer to no rules & allowed kicking faggots pulling guard BJJ got blown the fuck out constantly... Dude. Just examine the unified MMA rules, almost every single thing thats banned buck breaks jewjitsu.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:13:46 UTC No. 178805

You don't have to reply twice, conspiritard.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:14:06 UTC No. 178806

>>178800
Double dubs of truth, nice. It shifts from funny to depressing when you're trying to get into the biz & the fucking gracies managed to brainwash a whole generation.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:15:19 UTC No. 178807

>>178805
He didnt you fucking retard.
>>178800
>>178789

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:16:28 UTC No. 178808

Medicate yourself you dumb schizophrenic.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:19:26 UTC No. 178810

>>178808
this gentlemen is what cognative dissonance looks like
"I can't possibly be getting told I'm wrong by multiple people, it must be a mentally ill samefag!"

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:21:10 UTC No. 178811

>>178810
Right? I am on mobile and have dynamic IP so i can't screenshot any (you)s

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:29:36 UTC No. 178814

>>178811
he's deliberately not replying directly to posts explicitly so we can't throw the (You)s in his face

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:37:09 UTC No. 178815

>>178814
Yup
>>178493
>>178795
You are not worth my time so I delegated this to my bot.
>Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) excels in MMA largely due to the unified rules that ban certain techniques, enhancing its effectiveness
>Strikes to the Back of the Head and Spine: Banned in MMA, allowing BJJ fighters to expose their backs without risk.
>Headbutts: Prohibited in MMA, protecting BJJ fighters in close combat scenarios.
>Groin Strikes: Not allowed, enabling BJJ practitioners to grapple without fear of such attacks.
>Biting and Eye-Gouging: Banned, making BJJ's close-range grappling safer.
>Small Joint Manipulation: Prohibition benefits BJJ, which doesn't typically train for defense against these attacks.
>These rules mitigate vulnerabilities inherent in BJJ, making it more effective and safe in MMA contexts. Without these rules, BJJ strategies would need significant adjustments to counter these otherwise legal attacks.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:43:17 UTC No. 178817

>>178815
None of those rules were present in the first few UFCs. BJJ still won. And calling it all a conspiracy was your only defense.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:49:18 UTC No. 178818

>>178817
LOL omg yes some of them were you total dipshit. And the gracies themselves set the match-ups. You know nothing.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:53:17 UTC No. 178819

>>178817
>still not worth my full attention
The Gracie family's role in establishing the original UFC in 1993 sparked controversy due to perceived conflicts of interest and its impact on the martial arts world:

1. **Promotional Strategy:** The UFC, co-created by Rorion Gracie, was seen as a platform to showcase Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ), leading to claims that it favored Gracie-style Jiu-Jitsu.

2. **Matchmaking and Rules:** Critics argued that the rules and matchmaking, particularly the absence of weight classes and minimal restrictions, were tailored to benefit Royce Gracie, a BJJ practitioner from the Gracie family, in UFC 1.

3. **Marketing and Perception:** The UFC's "no holds barred" marketing raised ethical concerns and influenced public perception of martial arts, often overshadowing other styles.

4. **Impact on Martial Arts Community:** While UFC 1 highlighted BJJ's effectiveness, it also sparked debates within the martial arts community about the nature of combat and the respect for traditional martial arts values.

5. **Royce Gracie's Success:** Royce Gracie's victory in UFC 1 led to accusations of nepotism, with some viewing it as a setup to promote the family's martial arts school.

Despite the controversies, UFC 1 was pivotal in evolving martial arts, promoting mixed martial arts (MMA), and demonstrating the importance of grappling and ground fighting.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:53:35 UTC No. 178820

>>178818
>still clinging to his conspiracy shit
You're done.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:55:57 UTC No. 178822

>>178820
>still knows nothing & just insists they're right like a pouty child
Mkay

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:14:27 UTC No. 178835

>>178817
>the first few UFCs. BJJ still won
that's historically incorrect, in UFC 2 dan severn dominated royce for 30 minutes straight
in UFC 3 royce didn't even make it to the finals
from then on it continued to be dominated by wrestlers and brawlers which is why they fled to japan to try and pick on midgets where their jiujitsu was exposed once again as being inferior to wrestling

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:19:46 UTC No. 178836

>>178835
Dan Severn wasn't in UFC 2.

Take your medication. You are hallucinating.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:27:08 UTC No. 178838

>>178836
>misremembering the event number means hallucinating
you couldn't be more of a faggot if you tried
bet you can't even fight either

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:28:49 UTC No. 178839

>>178838
I'm not wasting my time trying to piece together the ravings of a fucking lunatic. Be coherent from the start or fuck off.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:31:18 UTC No. 178840

>>178839
you have 3 people telling you you're wrong and still insisting otherwise
I realize you recently listened to jocko and go really hyped about being an alphamale learning BJJ, went down to the local gracie barra and bought a $250 gi and an introductory package
but in 6 months when you quit you're going to hopefully realize what a faggot you've been

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:33:37 UTC No. 178841

>>178840
All 3 of those people exist only within your head you schizoid retard.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:36:20 UTC No. 178842

>>178841
spoken like a true nofights
have you even done a white belt bjj comp yet?
lemme see your bronze medal for going 0-2 in a 3 man bracket

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:00:52 UTC No. 178850

>>178815
>muh banned techniques
Again, you do realize that when your stupid "no rules" ruleset exists, the BJJ guy can do the same thing, right?

You are a complete moron.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:11:38 UTC No. 178853

>>178850
Except ya'll don't cause you're guard pulling pussies.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:30:54 UTC No. 178861

>>178853
Surely your "elite" no rules techniques can prevail against a simple guard, no?

Delusional faggot.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:36:14 UTC No. 178864

>>178853
This. Here's the thing, up until there is an injury, training BJJ is generally, way less jarring or painful than most striking styles. So much so that is specifically what attracts most people(pussies) to BJJ.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:47:52 UTC No. 178868

>>178850
People pick up bjj because they don't like to hurt people. You literally won't use those techniques because you have no balls

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:48:02 UTC No. 178869

>>178861
>>178861
All the fucking time with the simplest of effort, don't even have to be ultra-violent about it. Even in the UFC majority of finishes are KO cause basic as wrestling to ground & pound is easier. But taking out the middle man of grappling makes it even easier.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:55:18 UTC No. 178872

>>178868
>People pick up bjj because...
...it's effective and doesn't cause CTE the way some contact sports do.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:58:04 UTC No. 178873

>>178872
repeated episodes of hypoxia aren't any better for your brain

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 03:01:34 UTC No. 178874

>>178850
>arguing with a literal schizophrenic experiencing a delusional episode
lol

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 03:03:28 UTC No. 178875

>>178869
fuck! good thing we banned that so it can't happen to us anymore

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 03:03:58 UTC No. 178876

>>178872
Not wanting to cause CTE to your enemies makes you a pussy. Thanks for proving my point

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 03:44:54 UTC No. 178882

>>178875
...wow you're retarded. BJJs superiority only exists where rules are being observed & your dumbass quip confirms it.
>>178876
This, although, at this point I would like to say there is nothing wrong with the techniques contained in BJJ, its the usage & bullshit rep it develops that pisses me off. Look, modern JJ is nothing like OG jj that had more applicability in combat because it didnt have excessive focus on a single target. Think about where JJ came from, the conflicts it saw... It didn't look like whay it does now because BJJ is meant for prolonged focus on 1 person.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 05:05:10 UTC No. 178885

The main thing to remember about bjj is anybody who talks it up exposes themselves right then and there at being a novice
Because anybody that has done bjj to the point if proficiency realizes how flawed and unusable it is outside of its vacuum and will seek out wrestling and or judo to supplement their skills and make it workable

If you defend bjj it shows you don't understand it well enough to see why it's so shitty
Nobody advanced at bjj would ever defend it the way beginners so passionately do

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 12:07:35 UTC No. 178910

BJJ is so bad that literally every MMA fighter still trains it to this day.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 14:48:24 UTC No. 178925

>>178910
Faulty logic, MMA fighters should train grappling, take the tap if it's there, but that doesn't equate to explicitly focusing on BJJ. It's boring as fuck to watch some faggot aggressively hug his way to a submission & it's frustrating as hell when you have to watch this homoerotic display realizing that the person in the bottom position has zero chance cause all their options have been ruled out. Just like when someone asks, well how do you get out of this {insert image of deep lock/bar} and the only answers are things you're not allowed to do. Wish small joint manipulation was allowed, would really change the game. And it really makes no sense why it isnt cause fingers & toes are way easier to just pop back into place.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 14:51:33 UTC No. 178926

>>178925
Seething.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 15:02:46 UTC No. 178929

>>178926
>>178925
>calmly points out facts of MMA without even using curse words
Project any harder?

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 15:04:34 UTC No. 178930

Oh wait, welp, to the swear jar

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 17:01:15 UTC No. 178951

>>178910
I think the most smooth brain take possible is submissions = bjj
bjj didn't invent any of those submissions, catch, judo, sambo, any grappling art with submissions includes the same shit

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:12:00 UTC No. 179011

>>178910
BJJ specialists get dismantled at the champion level. Fighters only train it to avoid it. Striking and wrestling are the real pillars of MMA

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:24:11 UTC No. 179019

>>179011
This. I mean some dudes are better at it or maybe just gay, so they're super into it. But I think most fighters just focus on escaping, or atleast getting back to G&P

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jan 2024 21:51:17 UTC No. 181761

>>178418
>If they were allowed to put hands on your throat you would be fucking dead.
this is a terrible example you can do this in bjj

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jan 2024 02:48:14 UTC No. 181795

>>179011
Nobody reaches the champion level without being a BJJ specialist.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jan 2024 14:50:41 UTC No. 181823

>>179011
>>179019
How to say you only watch hw without saying you only watch hw

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jan 2024 19:48:41 UTC No. 181844

>>181823
>How to say you don't know how to read tier bar graphs without saying you don't know how to read tier bar graphs.
This is not the win you thought it was. Considering a great amount of those decisions represent more failed tap attempts than succsesful ones. Also where is this from cause I suspect its AI generated bullshit. We had a thread where this was thoroughly examined and KOs accounted for 60% of finishes.
>bleacherreport.com/amp/109873-ultimate-fighting-championship-crunching-the-numbers-updated.amp.html
A cursory search says you're full of shit. Whole first page is saying your figures are wrong.

Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jan 2024 21:14:18 UTC No. 182284

>>177886
Hokuseiho isn't a great example though, he's just really tall not strong beyond his grip. He just has freakishly long arms and great endurance for his weird reach around technique.

Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jan 2024 08:46:12 UTC No. 183811

>>178815
but bjj was feared even in the vale tudo circuit where rabbit punches, headbutts, groin strikes, and sometimes small joint manipulation were allowed. and biting and eye gouging aren't exclusive to people who dont train lol

Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jan 2024 00:41:36 UTC No. 183873

>>177805
>>177815
Prove it lardass
Go to your local MMA gym that has pros in it.
Find the smallest actual pro MMA fighter in there with at least 1 win and ask for a challenge. Record it and send us the vid of your ass getting whooped faggot