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Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:37:46 UTC No. 178261
Pick ONE.
And tell me, WHY?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:42:08 UTC No. 178264
>>178261
that's the saem move
>t.BJJ purple belt
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 16:36:37 UTC No. 178273
>>178261
I'm really struggling to see the difference between o soto gari and guruma. Either way, I'm an osoto gari and harai goshi kinda nigga you feel me
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 16:45:24 UTC No. 178275
>>178273
Guruma hits both legs, gari is just one.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 17:20:16 UTC No. 178281
Judo has a habit of creating distinctions without a difference
Which is to be expected from a place where ă· and ă are different letters
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 17:27:25 UTC No. 178282
>>178275
what's the difference between gari and otoshi?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 17:32:10 UTC No. 178285
>>178282
Gari reaps the leg, in otoshi you plant your leg
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 19:14:34 UTC No. 178292
>>178285
By planting he means hooking the other guy's leg right? For self defense moves Otoshi is probably the best.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 22:27:11 UTC No. 178309
>>178264
>bjj purple
>literally cannot identify throws
Why am I not surprised
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 22:28:33 UTC No. 178310
>>178292
In you hook the leg first then plant your foot on the floor.
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Dec 2023 22:50:26 UTC No. 178313
>>178309
>bjj black
>can't even establish grips against an intermediate>>178309
https://youtube.com/shorts/G3iBTXci
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 17:51:39 UTC No. 178381
>>178264
This
>>178309
No it really is the same move. But all asian cultures feel the asinine need to hyper categorize shit. You will always be going for the double leg, when you can't, it magically transforms into a different technique OOOOOoooooooOoooOoooOoo.
>TMA faggot is full of himself.
Why am I not surprised?
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 17:57:13 UTC No. 178382
>>178281
This, fucking this. Majority of TMA shit is ludicrous amounts of bullshit variations that no one is thinking about in the moment. There are the main techniques, then a bunch of bullshit derivatives that really don't need to be specified because they happen naturally with continued pursuit through the broken structure.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 20:45:05 UTC No. 178391
>>178381
Categorizing things was an enlightenment era thing that started in the west, a blade was a blade now we have a short sword a long sword a great sword and so on.
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 21:47:01 UTC No. 178402
>>178382
>show me sangyaku-nage
>places foot 3 inches above the ankle instead of 3 inches below the knee
>no no no that's yoko tachibana, it's a totally different technique!
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 21:48:26 UTC No. 178403
This all sure does sound like the 4000 "different" guards in bjj
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 22:40:46 UTC No. 178411
>>178381
Itâs not and youâre a retard. You have to use completely different set ups and apply different kuzushi to make all of these variations work. If you use the kuzushi for for osoto otoshi while trying to throw osoto gari youâre going to get countered. This is why you bjj faggots resort to pulling guard. You refuse aggressively refuse to understand the mechanics of stand up grappling.
>t.Judo shodan
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:03:07 UTC No. 178420
>>178411
BJJ is for fags & they're just as fucking retarded as you. All this time wasted memorizing so much stupid bullshit.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:11:32 UTC No. 178425
Osoto gari is a reaping motion because you are reaping the leg.
Osoto otoshi is a dropping motion because you are forcing your opponent down while blocking their leg
Osoto guruma is a wheel motion because you are forcing them over your extended leg and 'wheeling' them over it
>hurr durr der duh same theeng
People on here are so fucking retarded.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:17:48 UTC No. 178427
>>178425
Lmao... How can you write all that & still not see how its the same fucking thing. It's all the same technique, slightly modified, depending on how it progresses.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:22:11 UTC No. 178428
>>178425
>Wheel motion because you are forcing them over your extended leg and 'wheeling' them over it
Starts here and once their center of gravity is past your leg, transfer to...
>dropping motion because you are forcing your opponent down while blocking their leg
And then once their center of gravity is in descent
>reaping motion because you are reaping the leg
Not three techniques, 1. Being obsessed with this separation is why you suck.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:22:24 UTC No. 178429
>>178427
Do you think an uppercut is the same thing as a hook because you're hitting them with a fist so it doesn't matter?
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:26:16 UTC No. 178430
>>178429
No but if I throw a hook and hit the top of his head instead of his jaw I don't call it a whole different fucking technique because its the same movement.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:27:49 UTC No. 178431
>>178425
All of this is the same fucking motion with various amounts of degradation depending on how secure the throw is. Jfc. How are you all this fucking stupid.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 01:09:52 UTC No. 178442
>>178420
>BJJ is for fags & they're just as fucking retarded as you.
I agree with that. Combat sports are a retarded hobby.
>All this time wasted memorizing so much stupid bullshit.
Lmao, cope
>>178425
Based and correct. Ignore white belts.
>>178427
Because youâre a white belt and you cannot understand the difference.
t. Judo shodan again
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 01:14:53 UTC No. 178443
>>178442
>Judo shodan
You say that like it means anything to me. May as well be saying "huurrrr durrr iam a tarded faggot that shelled out thousands for obsolete instruction."
All your arguments to the contrary are literally laughably lacking logic.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 01:26:06 UTC No. 178446
>>178443
You act like Iâve never cross trained in BJJ which is a mistake on your part. In fact, Iâve trained with people who want to know good technique and those who refuse to acknowledge it.
>NO NO NO
>NO SLAMMING ANON THATS DANGEROUS
Vs.
>oh fuck anon that left side kata guruma was so cool can you teach it to the class for us
Your own retardation and refusal to learn good technique is your problem. Honestly Iâd love to hear about how my âargumentsâ are âillogicalâ as if Iâm not telling you facts about throwing.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 01:30:44 UTC No. 178447
>>178430
Osoto Gari, Osoto Otoshi and Osoto Guruma are not the same movement believe or not. While they accomplish similar things, they put the Tori in different positions that can be either advantageous or detrimental to them.
Are you a rhesus macaque? Are you being forced to write retarded things? Has some evil doctor strapped you to chair? Are they feeding you plantain chips if you answer people on 4Chan in the most retarded and negative way possible? Will they splash cold water if you answer with even a hint of intellect or positivity?
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 01:44:58 UTC No. 178450
>>178446
>>178447
While technical distinctions are important in martial arts, an excessive focus on them is counterproductive, especially in a combat or self-defense scenario. You prioritize theoretical knowledge over practical applicability. Such rigid categorization can makes judo unnecessarily complex. This hinders the growth of the sport and its cross-disciplinary appeal. In combat, the effectiveness of a technique is determined by its practicality and adaptability rather than its adherence to traditional classifications. The insistence on strict technical categorization does not align with the evolving nature of martial arts, where new styles and hybrids are constantly emerging. You disregard the perspective of practitioners from other martial arts backgrounds who might have different approaches to similar techniques. This lack of acknowledgment of diverse perspectives can leads to a narrow, methodical, visionless view of martial arts as a whole. While technical distinctions have their place, your argument overemphasizes them at the expense of practicality, adaptability, and inclusiveness in martial arts. The essence of martial arts lies in its application and adaptability, and not solely in its theoretical categorizations. You literally paid for shitty outdated instruction. You know procedure when you should aspire for insight. At this point, I feel sad for you because, you're never going to reach your potential. Does your thought process while in randori reflect the inflexible and retarded understanding you've employed against me?
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 01:48:56 UTC No. 178451
>>178450
>tl;dr: You're being taught the test.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 01:52:49 UTC No. 178452
>>178450
You need to learn brevity techniques for writing.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 01:54:54 UTC No. 178454
>>178452
You need a longer attention span, didnt even hit the character limit, also, see >>178451
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 02:05:08 UTC No. 178456
>>178454
You're whole post is just an esoteric rambling about how traditional Judo doesn't fall in piece with modern martial "evolving" martial arts. What does that even mean? Evolving? The evolving nature? Evolving into what? "New styles are constantly emerging." You mean like Keysi? MMA? What are you even talking about?
Judo teaches you how to reap a leg, it teaches you how to plant your leg in between Uki's legs, it teaches how to wheel Uki over your leg. What's the problem?
>While technical distinctions are important in martial arts, an excessive focus on them is counterproductive
???????????????????????????????????
What's the "excessive focus"? They're all different techniques through-and-through and learning them is not a negative and focusing on learning them isn't a negative either. Novelty contributes heavily to adaptation, we learn by solving problems in different ways. Not by doing the same solution to the problem.
>You disregard the perspective of practitioners from other martial arts backgrounds who might have different approaches to similar techniques. This lack of acknowledgment of diverse perspectives can leads to a narrow, methodical, visionless view of martial arts as a whole
What the fuck are you even talking about. You're all over the place, is that your idea of evolution? Just to be all over the fucking walls in terms of subject and specificity? Is that how you should see "evolved" martial arts? Just everything everywhere all the time?
Here's the real tl;dr for your shitpost:
>I've never done Judo, I suck at techniques and I'm apathetic to learn how to do them so I'll just do MMA because it's easier.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 02:12:32 UTC No. 178458
>>178456
Mkay, I am leaving. You're hopeless and in full blown cope reading into shit like a retard when I spoke as plainly as possible. The whole board is either TMA larper or BJJ/MMA faggots.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 02:14:36 UTC No. 178459
>>178458
>when I spoke as plainly as possible
If you "spoke as plainly as possible" why did you have to write a tl;dr for your post?
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 02:31:02 UTC No. 178463
>>178457
he flags himself at least 10 times on the bottom one
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 02:39:44 UTC No. 178465
>>178450
>complete retard drops his ChatGPT blogpost because heâs embarrassed about not knowing the differences between O Soto variations
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 12:34:53 UTC No. 178504
>>178450
lol, lmao even. Didnât read
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 12:45:27 UTC No. 178505
>>178458
>not a traditional martial artist
>not a combat sports athlete
What are you then? A retarded LARPer who doesnât train? Thought so.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 15:16:25 UTC No. 178513
>>178450
>most well-spoken esl
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 18:27:14 UTC No. 178530
>>178261
Better question for this thread.
Which GRIP? And WHY?
https://youtu.be/V9GbUqzPy6Q?si=LKL
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 19:01:10 UTC No. 178531
>>178530
thumb in nose
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 19:29:50 UTC No. 178535
>>178465
Not the anon, but not the only one who sees no difference. And all you raging weeb faggots reek of "thou doth protest too much" personally, who gives a shit how it's categorized. You tma, judo, bjj, etc faggots all talk like you really believe you do that faggy sherlock holmes shit while you're fighting.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 19:50:45 UTC No. 178539
>>178531
For me, it's either the headlock version or the forearm across the neck
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 19:51:53 UTC No. 178540
>>178535
Dude, you just suck at Judo. Fucking cry about it.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 20:35:44 UTC No. 178546
>>178530
Throat grip is great.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 20:43:30 UTC No. 178548
>>178530
>>178546
What would be the allowed Judo equivalent for the throat grip? Pinching the two lapels together really high with your thumb and fingers?
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 20:57:23 UTC No. 178550
>>178540
Dude, Judo is just antiquated, fucking cry about it.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:00:07 UTC No. 178551
>>178550
Unironic, unadulterated, 100% Grass-Fed, babyrage.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:07:05 UTC No. 178553
>>178551
Lol mkay
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 22:25:04 UTC No. 178565
>>178535
I donât understand why someone would come here to boast about their lack of knowledge. Sort of a self own.
>no bro listen theyâre totally the same
Try applying the forward and downwards kuzushi while attempting to throw osoto gari. You will be immediately countered by the opponents own osoto gari because you failed to put their weight into the leg you intended to reap. Thatâs why theyâre different. Your willful retardation canât change body mechanics.
>>178530
Georgian grip is best grip. Prove me wrong.
>pro tip: you cant
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 22:26:28 UTC No. 178566
>>178550
>no dude judo is antiquated because it has names for things
lmao
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 22:56:56 UTC No. 178569
>>178565
>Georgian grip is best grip
Best grip to break your arm.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:07:38 UTC No. 178570
>>178535
>I canât grapple and know nothing about these throws but let me tell you how to categorise them
no lol :p
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:14:11 UTC No. 178576
>>178569
Skill issue
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:28:47 UTC No. 178577
>>178576
Ok bro
https://youtu.be/bHnzD9lioAU?si=QpG
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 01:32:09 UTC No. 178587
>>178569
I fight with a georgian grip all the time and never had an arm injury or anything close. I'm more worried about getting suplexed if the other guy is strong.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 02:35:04 UTC No. 178591
PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC
WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE OSOTO?
GOD FUCKING DAMN
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 03:47:53 UTC No. 178593
>>178591
Osoto guruma is the most fun to hit but osoto otoshi is the most reliable
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 04:16:36 UTC No. 178594
>>178593
>osoto otoshi
Do you often try gari and just end in otoshi? I feel like this is the most common scenario for hitting otoshi.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 04:47:25 UTC No. 178595
Can I not plant my foot in guruma?
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 06:49:45 UTC No. 178603
>>178591
Iâm primarily a hip throw player and the only time I ever even end up throwing osoto anything is as a counter against noobs
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 11:24:31 UTC No. 178619
>>178594
Yea I just find that I can only get backwards kuzushi going on someone when Iâm significantly stronger which feels cheap and otoshi works easier for sideways
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 23:01:55 UTC No. 178663
>>178261
Depends on how tall and heavy my opponent is
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 21:46:03 UTC No. 178783
Fun fact about Osoto:
It's 90% upper body rather than lower body despite it being a foot technique.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 00:03:35 UTC No. 178824
>>178591
OSOTO DEEZ NUTS
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:26:07 UTC No. 178837
>>178261
Gari is the easiest to get, puts you in the least amount of danger, and is the most effective in an mma or no gi context vs a wrestler or noob. Still don't know why you'd choose one since they are all very similar movements and you should learn them all together.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:39:36 UTC No. 178843
>>178837
this guy knows what's up
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:55:48 UTC No. 178847
>>178837
>Still don't know why you'd choose one since they are all very similar movements and you should learn them all together.
It's not a matter so much of picking and only doing one, they all are pretty much the same move. However, the difference is the off-balancing and the proportions of the Tori. Say you want to push them to the ground in a kind of sacrificial way so you can land on top of them, you would maybe want to do Otoshi. Or, maybe you have longer legs and tend to reach further across Uki so you'll go towards Guruma. Or maybe you just like the reaping motion of Gari and want to technically perfect it as best as possible.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:20:29 UTC No. 178859
>>178858
*autistically
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 05:56:47 UTC No. 178891
>>178858
>>178859
Itâs not though, you and Iâll explain again, you need to learn to apply the proper kuzushi for the appropriate throw because if you donât your throw will fail or be countered. In fact, learning these three throws separately gives you more options in a fight when you may have one version available to you but another not. This for sure is not âthe same throw but different levels of degradationâ itâs different tools to use for different problems that happen to look similar to the untrained eye. Itâs also not a distinction without meaning because again, you have to use the right tool for the job or get fucked up.
Iâm especially astounded that this absolute retard would suggest that people donât think about what throw they do before they do it. It shows heâs an absolute retard with no real experience grappling.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 07:24:57 UTC No. 178898
>>178891
You sound super butthurt, like you're projecting, and your analytical midfight b.s. reeks of no-fights. Anyone taking this serious of a stance, here, is 100% tryhard larper. Like, ya'll know, no Judokas talk like this. This isn't a conversation that happens in real life because no one who really fights is this annoyingly faggishly anal.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 08:09:00 UTC No. 178900
>>178898
Lmfao, no judoka talk about using the right tool for the job when your kuzushi options are limited? Are you out of your fucking mind?
>reeks of no fights
I have plenty of medals to my name
>This isn't a conversation that happens in real life because no one who really fights is this annoyingly faggishly anal.
My club has two fifth dans, a fourth Dan and a no bullshit actual fucking Olympian. Even if I didnât even first and second dans could easily tell you why you need to use osoto otoshi and osoto gari in different situations. I donât understand what drives you to pretend so hard like you know what youâre talking about when you clearly donât.
>you sound super butthurt
About what? The majority of this thread is other anons telling you youâre a retard. Are you the bjj purple from earlier now really mad that people who can actually do stand up grappling are telling you your initial assessment is wrong? If so get over yourself and take some judo classes since you clearly donât have a clue what youâre talking about.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 14:36:00 UTC No. 178921
>>178900
>butthurt TMA wall of cope
Lol
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 14:37:19 UTC No. 178922
1 core movement with 3 variations insufficiently different to warrant calling it 3 seperate moves. Good example of TMA bullshido. Retarded shit like this is why rubes accept that belts take years when in reality so much of these faggots instruction is specifically designed to draw shit out in convuluted ways, to justify charging you as much as they like for as long as they like.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:10:50 UTC No. 178972
>>178921
>>178922
t. Larpers
You know if you actually learned stand up grappling you wouldnât embarrass yourselves like this in front of people who actually fight
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:50:41 UTC No. 178979
>>178922
>jab? Hook? It's all just variations of a punch
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 19:29:02 UTC No. 178987
>>178891
>Think about which throw
I just think about each step in my process, if the process is done correctly the outcome will be in your favor. I don't plan, I just do.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 19:30:39 UTC No. 178988
>>178922
Are you Mexican by chance? Can you post a Voocaroo of what you kind of accent you have?
https://vocaroo.com/
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 19:36:37 UTC No. 178990
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 19:43:46 UTC No. 178992
>>178979
See
>>178430
>inb4 samefag/schizo/etc
Cause I am pretty sure you're the same whiny bitch in the other thread who can't wrap his mind around multiple people disagreeing with you.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 19:54:37 UTC No. 179000
What is the argument in this thread about? Why Judo teaching a multitude of throws is bad thing?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 19:57:39 UTC No. 179002
>>179000
Well it started as a "your prefered osoto" but it has deveolved into an argument about whether >>178261 OPs picrel constitutes 3 seperate techniques or if it's an irrelevant distinction as a byproduct of 'bullshido' in teaching styles/standards.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:02:05 UTC No. 179004
>>179002
It's 3 separate techniques. I'm surprised they didn't add Osoto-Gake but those are the 3 main Osotos.
Osoto Gari is a reaping motion.
Osoto Otoshi is a dropping motion.
Osoto Guruma is a wheeling motion (similar to that of a reaping motion but for both legs)
What's the issue? Judo specializes in the art of throws and wants to teach the best variations of these throws? All of them work, calling Judo "Bullshido" is literally one of the most retarded non-sequiturs I've ever had the displeasure of reading.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:06:50 UTC No. 179006
>>179004
>tomato
>tomatoe
>tomahto
>tomayto
Broken fucken records.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:10:11 UTC No. 179008
>>179006
More like Cherry Tomato, Grape Tomato, and Heirloom Tomato. They're all tomatoes, but they each are different in preference and which ones you can actually get.
Why are you retarded?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:11:23 UTC No. 179010
>>179006
It's one technique with multiple variations. People are either mad at semantics or just want to turn it into a muh superior scientific western arts vs dumb superstitious asian martial arts shitflinging. Which doesn't make sense since western martial arts aren't that different.
>single leg takedown
>single leg takedown running the pipe
>single leg takedown treetop finish
All are the same move fundamentally, but you don't see anyone getting their panties in a twist about it.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:12:54 UTC No. 179013
>>179004
You realize that the very fucking naming conventions used mean >>178922 this is true. Holy shit. Maybe fucking learn Japanese before jumping into a foreign style and insisting you know this & that. This whole fucking thread is an argument about grammar and the judokas in here are dead fucking wrong & any legit sensei that knee fuck all about judo, japan, & the language would tell you THEY'RE ALL OSOTO that is the fucking core and everything aftet that is a variation. This board really is all larpers.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:13:24 UTC No. 179014
>>179006
>Hook
>Jab
>Cross
>Uppercut
Broken fuckin' record.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:13:59 UTC No. 179016
>>179010
Except the butthurt larping judoka that doesn't understand linguistics.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:17:01 UTC No. 179017
>>179013
Nobody is disagreeing that they're all Osoto. They just have different applications. If you over shoot your leg or have longer legs you'll probably do Guruma, if you're a traditionalist and are able to pull Uki to the side further you'll probably go towards Gari, and if you try to do Gari or Guruma but end up sticking and want to use now use your weight and drop them down you'll end up doing Otoshi.
This entire argument is 'Judo is bad because it teaches people how to perform specific throws that may be similar to others and are similar to others.'
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:21:55 UTC No. 179018
>>179017
Thats not what I get from it. I undestand the point that overspecializing is bad and might not be the best educational approach. Which kinda makes sense, I mean, any form of education should get better over time. If you're educational methods are improving then teaching & imparting knowledge should become more efficient. But judo, lots of martial arts, are still unreasonable grindfests for progress and I think part of that does have something to do with little to no change in instructional methods.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:28:04 UTC No. 179021
>>179018
>But judo, lots of martial arts, are still unreasonable grindfests for progress and I think part of that does have something to do with little to no change in instructional methods
A 'grindfest'? What? I'm sorry, you can't hit ` and enter 'lvlupmax' in real life. You'll have the actually practice Judo to be good a Judo and can't speedrun fucking Judo progression any%.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 20:39:55 UTC No. 179023
>>178273
o soto gari: you off balance the guy backward, then you swing your leg against his leg, lifting it out from under him and he hits the floor.
o soto otoshi - rather than osotogari which is usually done as a single quick motion, in this one you use your leg to get to his and then hook it. then, you hobble forward, keeping him close to you, until you are close together. now, with his leg still hooked, you push forward and drop your body to the ground, bringing your leg back, taking him down.
this is one thing you can do if osoto gari fails.
o soto guruma - you yank him to the side so that he almost 'spins' on his planted foot. as he falls 'backwards' and turns, you fall in to that side as well, pulling him. you put your leg behind both of his legs his legs/his butt and slam downward, making him 'flip' almost 180 degrees.
the throws' names are 'major outer reap', 'major outer bodydrop' and 'major outer wheel'. they describe exactly what the move does - you reap the leg with a big swing from the outside; you bring him to the ground by dropping your own body after hooking his leg from the outside; you flip the guy like a wheel over your leg with a big swing from the outside.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:03:12 UTC No. 179026
>>178990
>judo is bullshido
Lmao, whatâs a real martial art?
>>179000
Autists donât understand that just because techniques look similar that theyâre not the same thing. This enrages them because they donât know how to fight.
>>179010
Both the end movement and the kuzushi are different, theyâre not the same throw. I donât understand why this makes you so mad.
>>179013
Lmfao, the actual literal opposite is true. All osoto means is âmajor outsideâ the three other words mean, respectively, reap, drop, and wheel. Exactly what the anon above you said. Itâs three different movements from a similar position. By the way, I minored in Japanese language. I guarantee I know more than you.
>>179016
>the judoka are larping because they know the techniques of their own sport
Youâd think youâd trust the opinions of people who actually do the sport youâre raging about.
>>179018
This is just autism
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:28:00 UTC No. 179036
>>179026
>tl;dr: butthurrt tma larper cope
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:33:10 UTC No. 179039
>>179026
>everything I don't like is autism
Couldn't possibly be you've been sold a bunch of convuluted bullshit
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:34:46 UTC No. 179040
>>179036
>>179039
What is a real martial if judo is tma bullshido? Why do you even care about judo classifications if you donât even fucking train it? What do you train?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:37:53 UTC No. 179043
>>179023
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How fucking retarded are ya'll? Imagine if BJJ did this for every pathway to a kimura, or if every wrestler did this for every flow that leads to an RNC? This judo argument is pure TMA convuluted bullshit.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:38:58 UTC No. 179044
>>179040
The MOVE, singular, is fine but this whole thread is a larpers cope & quintessential bullshido
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:40:49 UTC No. 179045
>>179043
BJJ and wrestling doesn't require a lot of technique or skill.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:43:23 UTC No. 179046
>>179044
Answer the questions
>>179043
The kimura and Americana are two different locks in BJJ despite operating in essentially the same manner because the direction of pressure is different. Does this enrage you also?
>>179045
Donât be retarded
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:44:01 UTC No. 179047
>>179014
Each one of those can be easily identified as a seperate strike based on angle. Even veteran commentators get osotos mixed around all the time because the core movement is the same and the only distinction is application.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:45:48 UTC No. 179048
>>179046
Read the thread faggot, no one has ever said Judo isn't good. It can be an effective style & still ve plagued by bullshido. Eat shit & die retard.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:47:26 UTC No. 179049
>>179048
>judo is plagued by bullshido because it has different names for different techniques
I think you fundamentally donât understand what bullshido is the same way you donât understand how grappling works. What do you train?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:47:55 UTC No. 179050
>>179046
>the kimura and Americana are two different locks in BJJ despite operating in essentially the same manner because the direction of pressure is different. Does this enrage you also?
You think you're clever but you just keep pointing out that you know fuck all about buomechanics or physics with your retarded false equivalencies.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:49:23 UTC No. 179051
>>179047
>Even veteran commentators get osotos mixed around all the time because the core movement is the same and the only distinction is application.
Oh and boxing and MMA commentators never confuse the a cross and jab because they are just sooooo different and unique in every way.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:50:24 UTC No. 179052
>>179050
Why donât you explain how Iâm wrong about biomechanics then. Both locks attack the same joint in the same way but from opposite directions. That is enough of a distinction for bjjfags to give the lock two different names and I think they are correct in doing so.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:50:30 UTC No. 179053
>>179049
Karate & judo mainly. Autistic spergs like you do not exist in gyms.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:53:14 UTC No. 179054
>>179051
Its the easiest fucking thing, did the punch follow the lead foot, jab. Rear foot, cross. Fuck you're dumb.
>>179052
>Both locks attack the same joint
Thanks for confirming you're a larper who literally doesn't know his elbow from his fucking neck. Jfc.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:53:43 UTC No. 179055
>>179053
>bro I totally train judo but donât understand that you need to apply different kuzushi for the different osoto throws
Ok buddy lol. Do you get mad that ogoshi and koshi guruma are categorized as different throws also? The other anon is right, youâre a schizophrenic. I also donât think you actually train judo.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:54:30 UTC No. 179056
>>179054
>did the punch follow the lead foot, jab. Rear foot, cross
Did the foot plant or not plant in Osoto? That's the difference between Gari and Otoshi.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:55:34 UTC No. 179057
>>179054
Huh? Both Americana and kimura discolate the arm from the shoulder. What the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:56:35 UTC No. 179059
>>179056
Exactly, chink fu level of convultued bullshit.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:59:07 UTC No. 179062
>>179059
Yeah so convoluted, did you plant the foot? If so, you probably had to drag Uki down to the ground with your own weight instead of just reaping the leg.
Please post a Vocaroo, I need to know if I'm dealing with some retarded deli-meat head retard.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:59:35 UTC No. 179063
>>179056
Visually yes, but I will emphasis again that in its actual usage the kuzushi and setups are different. Thatâs why theyâre trained as different throws.
>>179059
Do you know what the word convoluted means? Thatâs a pretty simple distinction.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 23:18:41 UTC No. 179070
>>179069
Based chest toucher
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 23:19:31 UTC No. 179071
>>178261
Is this the troll feeding thread?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 23:26:25 UTC No. 179073
>>179071
Pretending to be retarded isnât trolling.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Dec 2023 12:54:51 UTC No. 179146
>>179073
>merely pretending
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Dec 2023 13:39:50 UTC No. 179149
>>179059
>convultued
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Dec 2023 20:30:17 UTC No. 179178
I love how anti-TMA niggers are so retarded in vindicating osoto gari even though they were pretty much responsible for bastardizing the shit out of that throw SOOOO badly that it's pretty much the only way it's taught in the West.
https://youtu.be/loUJH_JgkhY?si=F1T
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Dec 2023 20:46:36 UTC No. 179180
>>179178
>that much knee pressure
That shit just hurts to look at.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Dec 2023 01:12:28 UTC No. 179213
>>178261
osoto-otoshi because I stay standing