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Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 05:44:34 UTC No. 178342
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu General
Optimal guard passing edition
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>>174532
Thread question: Favorite sub?
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 12:07:15 UTC No. 178357
There's already a thread you dumb nigger
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Dec 2023 14:40:04 UTC No. 178365
>>178342
You and every other BJJ faggot are why this board sucks ass. I would rather wade through a sea of TMA threads. Every BJJ general is the same fucking convo over and over with anons gabbing about what their favorite instructional is. Bunch of larpers talking about what is their favorite video.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 15:09:22 UTC No. 178512
Gonna have a beer before training tonight, never done that. Thoughts?
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 02:32:51 UTC No. 178590
>>178512
PED for not getting tapped, hurts your sub game though, net neutral. Brush your teeth first, your partner can smell the liquor on your breath
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:36:55 UTC No. 179604
Yes, i've got the blue belt blues. It's getting old and boring. And i don't think it makes me as good at fighting as i thought it would initially. I've been choked out and sprained all my limbs basically, but never punched in the face. And most of all i don't enjoy it all that much anymore...
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:00:50 UTC No. 179608
>>179604
>thought bjj made good at fighting
Its the true anti-fight style, good at shutting down 1 person with insanely lengthy time investment. Outside of that though, it sucks donkey dick.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 19:40:06 UTC No. 179637
>>179604
It's okay to quit, theres nothing wrong with saying "I've done enough of this activity" it's a value assessment
You need to determine is the positive benefits of the activity are worth it va the negstive
Some examples being you get some exercise, you socialize, you play a game. Vs You get injuries all the time, it costs not a small amount of money to do it, you just aren't really having fun and feels like a chore to go
I don't know what your lists are, you need to make them for yourself.
But choosing to stop something isn't really "quitting", that's how they shame you into staying around when they can't offer value.
Your BJJ rank isn't like a college degree where all the lower belts are just credits towards a black belt so thats the only one that matters
It's more like a military rank, some people become sergeant and decide that's enough military life for them and they want to pursue other things. others are lifers and become generals.
Culturally we look at a blue belt as a failed black belt but not a sergeant as a failed general even though it's the same situation.
I never need to go snowboarding again, I like it but it's a pain in the ass to dedicate a weekend to drive hours and go do It and risk getting hurt
There was a time when I went every season but now it feels like been there done that, I've had my fill
Maybe I'll go again one day, maybe I won't. I didn't "quit" snowboarding. It's just not an activity where the cost is worth the reward for me
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:35:08 UTC No. 179641
>>179637
This might be the healthiest attitude towards martial arts & hobbies in general that I have ever fucking seen. You a cool dude, hope you know that, no homo. Happy holidays.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:48:00 UTC No. 179642
>>179604
I stopped judo when i dislocated my collarbone, 8 years later i missed it so i started bjj, which is basically wrestiling/judo-lite. Do whatever you want it's not a job.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:05:59 UTC No. 179651
>>179642
>>179641
>>179637
I started out an MMA brawler who a few years ago was taking massive shits on any form of 'chink fu' and all associated stuff... Now I am in a program for Shaolin Kung Fu because I realized I had a lot of really meased up anger issues that honestly MMA just feeds, but I still love martial arts and shaolin is still pretty badass while being very therapeutic. Different strokes, don't feel like you have to stick with 1 thing or anything.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Dec 2023 22:09:50 UTC No. 179786
>>179604
honestly, blue belt is more than enough ground game to transition to MMA if you want to learn how to fight for real
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Dec 2023 02:05:30 UTC No. 179808
Gentlemen.
I have achieved blue belt. I am very pleased.
I don't feel any different, of course. I still suck. I feel like I've been on a crappy training run for a while now, barely rolling twice a week and lifting once or twice a week. I didn't make it to the last couple tournaments I wanted to do. Now my next tournament will presumably be a much bigger hurdle.
My joy in this achievement is probably muted by the trouble I'm having at work. Literally got pip'd in the morning, then went to class in the evening and got promoted. I informed my coach that if it all goes tits up and I lose everything, I'm moving into the gym. Obviously what the pro team really needs is a masters 2 blue belt.
Nevertheless, I'm very happy to have made it this far. Love my coach, love my team, love my gym. At this point I just want to train consistently and get some good momentum going. If I can string together a run of 3-4 rolls and 2-4 lifting sessions per week for say 6-8 weeks, I'll probably be all fired up for a tournament, my glorious debut in the blue belt division. Longer term goal is purple belt before I'm forty. I'm 36 now.
Anyway. Persist and endure, brethren. Thank you for reading my blog.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Dec 2023 03:07:20 UTC No. 179814
>>179812
Kek don't put that evil on me, jimmy bobby.
I'll be doing everything I can to duck and dodge the blue belt curse. Suggestions welcome. How to into jits lifer status?
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Dec 2023 03:21:35 UTC No. 179815
>>179814
it's just a dice roll really
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Dec 2023 03:50:45 UTC No. 179816
>>179815
Oof. Well then I'll just stay lucky.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Dec 2023 07:15:24 UTC No. 179834
>>178342
That picture needs to be just slightly wider-angle.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Dec 2023 17:32:30 UTC No. 179870
Did you guys ever saw a brown belt woman beat a brown belt dude at a tournament? I saw a couple girls doing it at the purple belt level but never at brown let alone black
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Dec 2023 17:58:29 UTC No. 179874
>>179870
What tournament has intergender competition?
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Dec 2023 18:13:00 UTC No. 179877
>>179874
Women's divisions are all gender now
>>179870
Brown belt that shouldn't be happening anymore unless the man is truly a frail weakling and not just simply under sized
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Dec 2023 06:06:24 UTC No. 180063
>>179877
The fact that girls win against purple belts in tournaments is kinda crazy tho
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Dec 2023 07:40:08 UTC No. 180068
>>180063
some men are just physically weak and lower weight classes favor flexibility, it's all guard stalling
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Dec 2023 14:14:44 UTC No. 180071
>>180068
>>180063
If this doesn't tell you that there is something wrong with your chosen style, I do not know what will.
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Dec 2023 00:56:59 UTC No. 180346
>>178512
yeah that can be fun same with an edible or vape but I grew out of that shit and now i'm 100% a sober responsible adult
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Dec 2023 00:58:40 UTC No. 180347
>>178590
you should be showering and brushing/mouth wash before class every class, niggers
WASH
YOUR
ASS
>>179604
Have you tapped people from weird positions yet like bottom mount or on your back? No? Get on that, make it fun. Try a pass you suck at. Are you fat and slow, try torreando. Are you a fucking fast stick guy? Pressure pass time.
Anonymous at Sun, 31 Dec 2023 16:47:27 UTC No. 181450
...Anonymous
12/31/23(Sun)11:45:59 No.181449
I fell funny during a practice roll and have fractured tibia and a dislocated fibula, a plate and five screws in my ankle, won’t be able to return for another three months and I’m in crutches. I feel like an idiot and wondering if I should just give up. Haven’t even been rolling for 2 years and this happened.
Anonymous at Sun, 31 Dec 2023 19:28:50 UTC No. 181464
>>181450
Well, jiujitsu is not good for your health, it's not safe, everyone that says it is probably makes their living off of it
And as someone that sees behind the scenes they already expect you to quit
As soon as you weren't in the room they started talking shit "yeah he's done" and to your face they'll ask how you're doing but the most genuine concern is "too bad, sucks for him"
It's out of sight out of mind with these people
6 months from now someone will say hey whatever happened to anon?
Huh? Who's anon?
Remember, anon he had like the eyes and also skin?
Oh right right, why did I think that guys name was Brett? Yeah he broke his leg so he's done
Oh that sucks
Yeah
Everyone's gonna move on with or without you, so it's up to you to decide
Anonymous at Sun, 31 Dec 2023 20:03:50 UTC No. 181466
>>181464
I just feel like this is a pretty serious injury. Had to go undergo surgery and get hardware, feel like a complete dumbass and didn’t expect something like this to happen any time soon.
Anonymous at Sun, 31 Dec 2023 22:10:28 UTC No. 181474
>>181466
Well it is serious, it's more serious than most people will ever have, probably enough to even apply for a disability permit
Plus maybe it's you're fault, maybe it's your partners fault, maybe it's the teachers fault
The person that got injured rarely carries the entire blame
Like after 20 years there had to be a policy change that white belts aren't allowed to do stand up anymore
Because after all this time there was no problem until one day one saw a move online, was never formally taught the move, was told not to do the move, did it anyway, and that other guys knee will never be the same
Anonymous at Tue, 2 Jan 2024 17:59:15 UTC No. 181654
>>181474
our gym has a no-standup rule for our basics classes and is only knees or in guard, which is probably for the best lmao.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jan 2024 06:19:36 UTC No. 182533
you know what's interesting is people always talk about the blue belt curse, but really the blue belt doesn't have a higher attrition rate than any other belt
once you've been around for a while you see it, people quit at every belt level
it seems like more people quit at blue because by the numbers that's true since there's more blue belts, but percentage wise I'd say all the belts have the same rate of quitters
it's wild too to see how many people stop at brown and just never make it over the finish line
like youve gone all that way and then stop with an a amount of time left that you could count in months
and you know those people through osmosis of showing up once or twice a year will probably get their sympathy black belt and cry because it took over 15 years as though they grinded and worked hard that whole time, but the reality is they weren't ever on the mat and got a participation trophy because they're friends with someone that has the rank to promote them, not because their skills have risen to the level
it's just something that I've noticed as when I was a blue belt seeing all those purples and browns ahead of me, and now years later being on track to get my black before the year is over and how few of them actually got one and aren't there anymore
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:12:44 UTC No. 182559
>>179604
Sounds like it's time to transition into MMA lad
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:35:56 UTC No. 182563
>>179608
It's still a good tool to have in your repertoire. Not everyone can afford to cross-train in all 3 areas of unarmed fighting: Striking, groundfighting, trapping/clinching but you need to have SOME idea on what happens if you get down on the ground.
I'm no BJJ nuthugger, but if you're well-versed on knowing how to defend yourself while on your back while a guy is trying to hammer down strikes, you can defend intelligently and jockey for a better position to sweep and get back on your feet or slap a submission, then the ball is in your court.
You are correct that it's ideal 1 vs 1. I would never go on the ground in a street fight or when the asshole's buddies are around.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:28:50 UTC No. 182605
>>179604
>And i don't think it makes me as good at fighting as i thought it would initially
you're a blue belt so basically a terminator against any untrained fella which is like 95% of the world nowadays
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 16:04:09 UTC No. 182661
Hi guys total civilian here, with no grappling experience
At what point should i stop learning BJJ if i just want to learn some useful self defence techniques for "da streetz" ?
My gym has wrestling and BJJ classes. I have heard wrestling in general is way more dangerous and difficult than BJJ, and youre basically going to get seriously hurt if you try to learn it as an adult (even though these lessons say newcomers welcome)
I just want to learn how to take someone down, choke them out, and learn to avoid takedowns
As a 30 year old male would just doing BJJ be my best bang for buck, or doing a mixture of wrestling and BJJ?
I only plan to learn for a year or so
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 16:08:19 UTC No. 182662
>>179604
Pick up judo or wrestling if you can find it. Focusing on stand up is fun but very tiring. Muay thai or good old boxing are always interesting too.
Or just step away and pick up another hobby for a while to see if you miss it.
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 16:41:57 UTC No. 182666
>>182661
If you want to learn takedowns and defense, you’ll need the wrestling classes. It’s not super dangerous if you avoid the retards.
If you’re only worried about controlling untrained people, a year is plenty
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 16:58:50 UTC No. 182669
>>182666
Im worried about injuries and hoping that they really go easy on me until I learn to fall properly etc. I won't be getting suplexed in the first week will I?
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 17:04:05 UTC No. 182671
>>179637
Wow. This is a very healthy minded way of thinking.
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 17:08:53 UTC No. 182674
>>179637
Wow. This post made me completely rethink the way I look at life
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 20:10:36 UTC No. 182689
>>178342
n-no one gives me an honest roll cuz im 5'4 tranny and it sucks :( only one guy who tries to kill me when we roll which is scary but more fun and motivating than the ones who seem afraid of crushing me its no fun when someone is letting u get good positions all the time
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 20:53:11 UTC No. 182696
>>182661
For just a year i would say wrestling, bjj would be completely a waste of money for self defence since you'll spend a lot time on learning how to pass this or that guard.
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:01:25 UTC No. 182703
>>182689
Stop being gay in public
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:07:02 UTC No. 182705
>>182689
i bet you enjoy having big fellas overpowering you
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:47:12 UTC No. 182708
what's people thoughts on the quality of blue belts? my gym takes 3-4 years to reach blue belt and then you have to go through shark tank to get it, vs hearing some gyms take ~1 year and it's handed to you. surely there is a massive skill difference?
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:19:26 UTC No. 182721
>>182708
Artifiicially holding back someone who's got blue skills for a time minimum is just as bad as throwing someone a new belt for hitting the time requirement. Without knowing anything about your instructor or gym, a shark tank full of gym only guppies doesn't mean shit if Mr. One year has been ripping apart regional or better in competition.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:47:07 UTC No. 182728
>>182708
there's no circumstance in which having a 3.5 year average to blue belt is reasonable
1) instructor is intentionally sandbagging aka cheating at tournaments
2) isn't conveying information well so it's legitimately taking 3.5 years to reach the stage of advanced beginner
3) the gatekeeping is a way keep people on the hook "nobody gets something for free here, you earn what you get, you could go somewhere else to get belts faster but here we do it the right way" all common phrases used in the grift (if it's true then it doesn't need to be said)
a blue belt is someone that knows 2 attacks from each major position, a toddler that knows how to walk on its own, thats it
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jan 2024 01:33:57 UTC No. 182733
>>182705
as long as there trying to win and arent 300lbs.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jan 2024 19:42:54 UTC No. 182803
Yo /bjj/. >>182708 got me thinking about my situation. So the place I train doesn't hand out stripes or have promotion ceremonies and has high standards for coloured belts compared to any gym I've trained at. I joined this place at the 1-year mark after gym hopping a bunch as a 0-stripe white belt. I got totally annihilated every day when I started here for a whole year, whereas now I can hold my own against the blue belts and purples and can tap all the whites without much trouble. In other local gyms, it feels like I would qualify as very solidly at blue belt level (e.g. I am still very shit at BJJ but can handle their blues fine but destroy their wbs).
I am moving out of my area next month and could realistically be a white belt for another 2 years if my coach doesn't promote me (very unlikely). There's a couple of reasons why this is annoying: 1) I love BJJ and would like to teach one day and maybe even have my own small gym/club in ten years and 2) Most importantly, I want to get into leg locks without attracting disdain of future coaches. I find my current style and flexibility really suits leg lock entries and I really want to spend the next year focusing on them. I will be doing so anyway but it would be nice to have my next coaches support.
Am I just being a massive overthinking faggot and should I just shut up and carry on and train as I am?
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:20:30 UTC No. 182806
>>182803
Where do you live? I'll promote you if you don't suck
Gate keeping is cancer
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jan 2024 21:24:18 UTC No. 182813
>>182806
I am based in the London area so I doubt you are anywhere near haha. I should mention this to my brown belt training partner who is a part-time coach at the school. I roll with him quite a lot at the moment and I don't think he even knows my belt level since we only train nogi. He always seeks me out to roll and we often take it in turns to practice half guard passing/attacking so he knows my skill level better than most people
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jan 2024 23:29:47 UTC No. 182822
>>182813
well I'm registered and in good standing with the IBJJF so you have my permission to start wearing a blue belt if you want to, and there's not really anything anybody can say or do about it
you're part of CTA now, congratulations
Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:20:26 UTC No. 182876
I avoid rolling with fat people.
Not scared of you,
Just don't like it,
Simple as
Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:56:21 UTC No. 182884
>>182803
>Am I just being a massive overthinking faggot and should I just shut up and carry on and train as I am?
Yes. You can learn leg locks without being a blue belt. Especially entries
Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jan 2024 19:35:15 UTC No. 182899
>>182884
Counterpoint, if you don't have your defensive fundamentals locked down (Which you don't if you aren't a blue belt yet) Leg locks are just a distraction that will only hamper your progress
You can get your feet wet with straight ankle locks and outside straight ashi and that's it since that's all you're going to be allowed to do in a competition either way
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jan 2024 13:20:21 UTC No. 182953
>>182884
>>182899
In all fairness, I am doing both of these things. I have a lot of success with shotgun ankle locks from inside and butterfly ashi (if I get belly down, it's as good as over). It seems like >75% of the time I can get an ankle lock grip, I will get a sub.
Truth be told, I would like to start integrating aoki locks most of all since it's a small adjustment away from the shotgun straight ankle lock. I guess I can just work more on my ankle lock entries and learn better open guard principles, that way I can hit the ground running when I finally do get into heel hooks and knee bars. Thanks for your input guys
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:09:28 UTC No. 182959
>>182822
"Who gave you your blue belt"
"Anon on 4chan"
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:11:02 UTC No. 182960
>>182728
How did you arrive at this criteria for blue belt?
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jan 2024 18:44:03 UTC No. 182969
>>182803
Maybe find a gym that does a lot of nogi? They tend to not gatekeep people from learning leglocks.
I'm a white belt, been training for 1.5 years. All I know are leglocks, that's the reason I started training to begin with. My gym is fine with it as long it's only done in nogi.
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jan 2024 20:27:31 UTC No. 182972
>>182960
Because that's what seems right to me
To know what a blue belt is you need to know what a blue belt is not, and a blue belt is not particularly good at jiujitsu, that's the purple belt
Blue is an advanced beginner, a 5th stripe white belt, they still suck at everything and the only difference is they at least know what they're supposed to be doing but the understanding is still completely superficial
For example a blue belt probably hasn't yet realized top mount and bottom guard are the exact same position yet
The gap between a blue that was white yesterday and one that's a purple tomorrow is the biggest gap save for the day 1 white
A purple means you have black belt level skill in something, and you continue to develop black belt level skills in other things until you've acquired enough to manifest the black belt
By the time you are purple you've established your style
As a blue you're figuring out what that style is and what you have an affinity for
You'll determine things like are you a gi guy or a normal guy, a top player or a bottom boi, an arm dragger or a guard puller/disgrace to your family and so on
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jan 2024 22:24:04 UTC No. 182984
>>182959
"Based"
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jan 2024 01:06:07 UTC No. 182997
>>182959
Tell em it was Brandon Adames
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jan 2024 02:26:53 UTC No. 182999
>>182972
>top mount and bottom guard are the exact same position
I hate stupid shit like this
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jan 2024 04:23:16 UTC No. 183006
>>182999
That's just the way things are
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jan 2024 04:30:31 UTC No. 183007
>>183006
They’re not though. Just because there’s a similar hip connection, it doesn’t mean they’re the same (whatever the fuck that even means)
How is that any use to someone? Does that help someone escape mount? Or sweep from closed guard?
It’s useful to explain what the positions look like for a newbie I guess, but otherwise it’s more retarded “wisdom” that fat brown belts spew instead of learning real technique/concepts
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jan 2024 04:55:18 UTC No. 183010
>>183007
You know all those shitty low % non-fundemental moves they make you start learning on your first day like the armbar and triangle from guard
And then you're forced to spend hours and hours drilling them but they only ever seem to work against people that are considerably worse than you
And then you get to mount and think "ok I'm in a good position but I have no idea what to do from here now"
Well you're in luck! Turns out all those shitty guard moves that never work actually do work from mount pretty well because you have the added convenience of the floor keeping his posture broken automatically for you
No need to learn a whole new set of moves, it's the same position just with the wedge and gravity flipped, so do the same moves
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jan 2024 20:26:36 UTC No. 183061
I think my coach teaches standing techniques with specific feet forward and then doesn't like when people drill with a switched stance. Is it normal in BJJ to have techniques from both stances, or do most people choose which foot they'll always have forward?
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:38:37 UTC No. 183073
>>183061
do you mean he doesn't want you doing it from the other side because you didn't get it right on the first side yet
or if you're a lefty he still wants you to do things righty, because that's dumb
Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jan 2024 18:06:34 UTC No. 183155
>>183125
Damn, I've never seen a ninja choke from the bottom before. Keep these rare and based shooto webms coming mi bredda, one love
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jan 2024 00:07:49 UTC No. 183778
>>182533
>and you know those people through osmosis of showing up once or twice a year will probably get their sympathy black belt and cry because it took over 15 years as though they grinded and worked hard that whole time, but the reality is they weren't ever on the mat and got a participation trophy because they're friends with someone that has the rank to promote them, not because their skills have risen to the level
Fuck... this was so true at our last promotion event. Weird to see some guys pour their life into the gym and guys who occasionally show up giving mediocre effort getting the same black belt. Though I could say the same for myself when I got promoted to blue. At least that shit shows in the rolls.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jan 2024 00:12:03 UTC No. 183779
>>182876
As a semi-fat fuck, I understand. Especially if they don't wear a rashguard.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:24:42 UTC No. 183950
I am so beyond pissed that the Marune app has stopped working, anyone got a good way to log hours trained, comps etc
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:32:47 UTC No. 183960
>>183950
Why do you do this?
I would imagine this could be done with a simple spreadsheet or whiteboard (Miro, Trello)
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:28:01 UTC No. 184044
>>183960
I like seeing how many hours I've trained and feeling accomplished. I'm at 600 or 700 hours now. You know how steam tracks how much you've played a game and maybe you feel like you wasted your time putting 2,300 hours into RimWorld but if you do that in BJJ or anything else you actually have something to show for it.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:56:32 UTC No. 184049
I'm a white belt (gi). I've got relatively good open guard retention but find it hard to translate into actually sweeping people, people just get stuck in my guard for a minute or two until they pass. Which sweeps should I prioritise practicing in preparation for my first competition a couple weeks from now?
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jan 2024 01:08:06 UTC No. 184092
>>184049
The main beginner friendly one I know are the tripod sweep. Often get that from reverse de la riva. You can go to a sit-up guard for a single leg takedown, single leg x to drop them for an easy straight ankle, and X guard is pretty easy to sweep if you manage to get there.
Personally I'm starting to play with collar sleeve since a black belt I regularly train with does. I'm not very good with sweeps on that yet. Im guessing a variation of tomoe nage is the main answer. I can definitely "feel" the omiplata though.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jan 2024 03:15:39 UTC No. 184097
>>182689
Fuck outta my sport, faggot.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jan 2024 04:18:56 UTC No. 184106
>>184049
Make it your game plan to get to whatever guard positions you most frequently play, and ask your coach (or us, or youtube) for options from that position. This includes how to control people and common reactions.
Whatever you work on, just try to remember WHY you're doing stuff. It's usually some combination of
>break posture
>get their hands on the mat
>remove/block a posting hand or leg
>get inside position
This makes things a little easier to remember, rather than 100 very specific details.
Also, very important, practice getting the fuck up when you sweep someone. A lot of white belts get decent sweeps but fail to secure top position and score. Be sure to follow through, preferably straight to a pass.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jan 2024 05:56:30 UTC No. 184582
>>183126
>>183125
Japanese mma jiu-jiutsu is why I got into mma and nogi.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jan 2024 05:59:54 UTC No. 184583
Do you guys ever think there will just be grappling gyms?
Not Judo Wrestling Bjj Nogi but a mix of all, almost pure grappling.
I think the mma grappling rule set is best if you would want to do this.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jan 2024 16:29:39 UTC No. 184630
>>184583
>almost pure grappling
>mma grappling rule set
What are you talking about?
Modern no-gi gyms are basically what you describe - a mix of standing and ground techniques borrowed from all over the place. Single-legs with judo counters, wrestling leg rides that lead to BJJ submissions, etc.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jan 2024 16:58:19 UTC No. 184639
>>184583
No-gi is pretty much all of it. If it works, they use it. Not really any restrictions that I can think of in an ADCC ruleset.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jan 2024 17:27:50 UTC No. 184644
>>184630
Those movements are banned in the nogi comps I have attended. I let my experience bleed over
>>184639
Adcc is pretty great
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 05:54:19 UTC No. 184865
>>184049
flower sweep
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 06:11:36 UTC No. 184867
>>184865
do people still do those? haven't seen one of those bad boys since like 2016
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 06:16:13 UTC No. 184868
>>184867
im a white belt, and use it all the time. first sweep i could actually do. definitely easier in gi tho.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:07:55 UTC No. 184881
My local gym has gi, no gi, and wrestling classes
If I just attend one wrestling and one no gi class a week, will I be looked down upon for not doing any gi stuff?
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:24:36 UTC No. 184903
>>184881
You won't be looked down upon, but you should consider doing gi classes anyway, especially if there aren't that many wrestling and no gi classes. Regardless over how you feel about the gi, it's a way to get more mat time.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 15:12:13 UTC No. 184917
>>178342
Never did or know anything about jiu-jitsu (except for some jew-jitsu). But why is her ass in the air and he's just calm as fuck?
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 16:19:47 UTC No. 184924
>>184881
Listen to >>184903
If your no-gi options are limited, you should train in the gi just to get more mat time. Especially as a beginner
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 16:47:55 UTC No. 184925
>>184903
>>184924
How long should I do bjj and wrestling? I just want to become adequate and then go back to boxing.
How will guys know to take it easy on me in wrestling and no gi since there is no belt system?
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:20:04 UTC No. 184927
>>184881
no, but with that schedule youre going to get killed by people with good guards for a long time. you should be going 3+ times a week minimum and mostly bjj if you want to be a good grappler.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:58:05 UTC No. 184930
>>184927
I thought wrestling is way more important in a real fight than bjj
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:31:49 UTC No. 184933
>>184930
its not because if you wrestle the fight will inevitably go to the ground. at which point you need submissions, or striking which the bjj point system is based around even if standard bjj doesnt actually it. also if you just shoot recklessly youre going to get strangled by someone who knows what they're doing.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:00:56 UTC No. 184938
>>184925
>How long should I do bjj and wrestling?
A BJJ blue belt should trash anyone untrained, barring very significant weight and strength disparity. I don't know enough about wrestling to give an educated opinion, but it'll probably be harder to quantify since as far as I know there are no ranks.
But the problem with your question is that unless you train regularly, you'll get rusty. I don't think you can just get to a place where you're satisfied and stop. Sure, you'll retain the fundamentals but a large portion of your fighting ability will go away once you stop training. Use it or lose it and all.
>How will guys know to take it easy on me in wrestling and no gi since there is no belt system?
>Yeah, I'll roll with you. Just go easier on me, I'm kinda new to this
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:00:59 UTC No. 184939
>>184933
>Go to the ground
At which point you stomp them
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:18:26 UTC No. 184942
>>184939
that must be why is see so many stomping submissions in UFC
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:28:35 UTC No. 184945
>>178342
Is jui jitsu good for you?
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:38:40 UTC No. 184952
>>184942
Illegal
>>184945
It makes nerds think they can fight so no
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:39:03 UTC No. 184953
>>184925
>>184930
>I just want to become adequate
>real fight
The reality is that you will likely never get in a real fight if you have any brains. A year or two of consistent grappling will put you miles ahead of the average person. There's not really a need to put such a separation between BJJ & wrestling, they compliment each other perfectly and are both needed if you're worried about fighting.
Just start training and stop overthinking it. If you last a year, you'll probably stick around longer and stop caring about being newbies.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:46:28 UTC No. 184954
>>184945
Define good. It's an intense sport. You'll get in pretty good shape, but risk of injury is high. Increases as you get older obviously. I busted a rib during a takedown (worst injury in my life) and have had various other aches and pains. Trained 2 years now. Many I know have had some small injury in that period. Broken fingers, torqued ribs, knee bursitis, etc. Two knee injuries stand out as the only major injuries I've heard of. That'll take you off the mats for 3-6 months.
Despite all that, you usually develope decent cardio, strength, and flexibility.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:47:25 UTC No. 184955
>>184945
It's really not
You're looking at chronic life altering injuries and a baseline of achy pains no matter what you do
It doesn't matter how careful you are, someone will come along and recklessly injur you
For me, cervical spine? Fucked, I need a special pillow , turn my whole body to look around like batman, and get migraines
Shoulder? Donezo, going to need surgery eventually but I'm putting that off, for now I get random subluxations and can manage to get it back in but it's a little harder to do each time
Knees? Forget about it, we basically have a death pool to see which one blows out first. Left patellar tendon is like a half eaten string cheese, right meniscus isn't even there anymore
And don't get me started on the testicle injuries, I have a lump of scartissue in there it's almost like I have a 3rd nut, when it presses on the nerve either it feels like someone's squeezing my balls or I can't feel them at all
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:52:14 UTC No. 184956
>>184955
God damm, how long have you been training? Shit like this is why I play half guard with randoms.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:55:38 UTC No. 184957
Just watched Balls To wall, I am really happy with it
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:06:46 UTC No. 184958
>>184956
Since 2016
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:21:32 UTC No. 184960
>>184953
I want to feel confident. I did boxing competed and know I can throw a punch or two If i need to . No idea how to successfully operate close up apart from headbutts and "just seeing red bro" kek
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:21:44 UTC No. 184961
>>184958
That's a lot for that period of time, at least compared to what people of that experience level tell me. I'm assuming you're the type that competes right?
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:24:26 UTC No. 184962
>>184938
I was told once you get the fundamentals of grappling ingrained it's like riding a bike and you never truly lose it
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:26:52 UTC No. 184963
>>184960
6-12 months of either will put you league's ahead of normies. Wrestling is great for standing>ground transition and BJJ is great for ground fighting. Both dabble in the other (wrestling pinning and BJJ takedowns) so it's not completely different. BJJ culture is more fun imo, but that's a personal thing.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:29:09 UTC No. 184964
>>184960
Just start training. If you hate it you won't last. If you love it, you'll stay for years.
Free time is limited, just spend it on the things you enjoy. Any kind of (legit) training is plenty for self defense/fights. It's pretty easy to avoid fights anyways
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:35:37 UTC No. 184965
>>184963
>>184964
Thanks man hopefully I won't break my neck or anything
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:43:12 UTC No. 184968
>>184961
not anymore
I have a few goals I'd like to achieve such as winning a naga belt, winning a black belt division, doing a televised super fight
but I'm not trying to win one of those worthless ibjjf world championships or anything
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:52:42 UTC No. 184971
>>184968
>winning a naga belt
>worthless ibjjf world championships
how have you racked up all those injuries and 8 years of training without a naga belt? are you a complete spaz?
IBJJF is retarded but winning worlds is no small feat
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:56:06 UTC No. 184972
>>184968
Yeah... not surprising you'd be busted up. It seems like the rate of injury for competitors is super high. I've competed a few times and I'm at the point where I don't think it's worth it. At least right now. Masters 1 right now and may wait til Masters 2 to compete against older/slower opponents. Last two comps at least one person in my bracket appeared to be injured in some way.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:20:00 UTC No. 184979
Is 1-2 gi class 3-4 nogi classes and 1 wrestling class a week with bodyweight PPL and jumping rope enough to become a well rounded grappler?
I know it is a unclear goal but I have gotten really into watching the high level ADCC matches and I want to change my life a bit.
I am happy I am just leaving the house for something that isn't going to work.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:26:07 UTC No. 184980
>>184979
How often do you train currently? How long have you been training?
High training volume is usually how people get injured and/or burn out.
>become a well rounded grappler
You don't need to train 6x a week to be well rounded
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:38:37 UTC No. 184982
> 184980
>How often do you train currently?
right now I am training 3 nogi classes a week and some times going the wrestling class
(one class is twice as long and the school counts as two classes same with the 1/2 gi class)
> How long have you been training?
2 and a half months
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:42:10 UTC No. 184983
>>184979
It entirely depends. It seems some competitors do doubles and basically nothing else. I'm not an expert, but it looks to be more influenced by mat hours and quality of instruction (go figure). I think Jozef Chen is an interesting study of quickly getting good. Check out his story and methods. He did a lot of self led studying and implementation.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:49:14 UTC No. 184985
>>184982
>2.5 months
It's cool you're enthusiastic about the sport, but it's a huge investment to get to that level. Even D1 wrestlers coming over to ADCC had several years in BJJ before they started getting higher up. Local comps? Do it whenever. Training 5-6 days a week may set you up to beat most white belts in 3-6 months, maybe. Going from 3 to 5-6 isn't too bad if you're not going too hard every class. Just have fun and explore all the positions and responses 80-90% of the rolls.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:49:29 UTC No. 184986
>> 184980
dang>>184982
>> 184983
>Jozef Chen
>Check out his story and methods
I know his story but I didnt know he shared his methods
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:51:10 UTC No. 184987
>>184980
dang>>184982
>>184983
>Jozef Chen
>Check out his story and methods
I know his story but I didnt know he shared his methods
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:53:00 UTC No. 184988
>>184986
There's several interviews, but it seems to be heavily influenced by Josh Waitzkin(?) and ecological dynamics. He'd watch instructionals and grab a partner who was willing to work with him. Sounds like that's why he joined B-team, so he could continue a relatively self-led approach. Seems to have worked for him so far.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:57:32 UTC No. 184989
>>184988
That should be do able
>>184985
Makes sense
I am not saying adcc isnt a dreams but I get it isn't a quick goal
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:59:39 UTC No. 184990
>>184971
I've never done naga because they rarely come here and just haven't been available. only want it because the belt looks cool
as for ibjjf its 7 age divisions, 5 belts, with 10 weight classes, gi and nogi, men and women there's over 1000 "world champions" every year
compound that with all the different pans and stuff, multiple thousands of high tier championship accolades. Pretty much anybody can get one if they find the right division to go in under
I know more than a few people that won worlds because there was only 1 or 2 other people in their bracket and they were guaranteed podium no matter what
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:29:16 UTC No. 184992
>>184990
It's kind of tempting to sandbag like a motherfucker and go to one of these. I barely ever see the owner of our gym and work basically one on one with a couple different black belts in the morning. May get there after a year or two as blue.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:50:05 UTC No. 184993
>>184989
Just keep training consistently and start watching Gordon/Danaher instructionals with intent. Anyone who hates on those has no idea what they're talking about
>t. I train at B-Team and have rolled with and learned from Jozef Chen
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:58:54 UTC No. 184995
>>184993
Is it worth it to travel and visit for a week as a hobbyist blue belt? Seems like it would be fun, but would prefer to attend Craig or Nicky Ryan classes. That doesn't seem like that happens too often, especially with Craig traveling often.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 02:22:59 UTC No. 185007
>>184993
Wait B-team recommend watching Gordon?
Wait that actually makes sense.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 03:38:29 UTC No. 185014
>>185007
My instructor was a blue or purple at renzos when danaher first walked through the door
And on a personal level the guy is a complete asshole that got too big for his britches and got even more of an ego and attitude after getting famous
But he knows his shit and my gym absolutely pirates his instructionals
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 03:39:29 UTC No. 185015
>>185014
do you think he's autistic
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 03:58:41 UTC No. 185017
>>185015
Probably closer to BPD or something like that
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:35:07 UTC No. 185053
>>185007
Regardless of his insufferable personality, I don't think anyone can deny that Gordon knows his shit, his results speak for themselves. Same for Danaher, there is a reason he's generally regarded as the best martial arts coach in the world
>>185014
>on a personal level the guy is a complete asshole that got too big for his britches and got even more of an ego and attitude after getting famous
Do tell more.
The impression I always got from his was "is better than you and knows it but also isn't an asshole about it". .
I don't think I've even heard B Team guys talk shit about him, even though it would make sense from their position
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:19:27 UTC No. 185061
>>184995
>Is it worth it to travel and visit for a week as a hobbyist blue belt?
If you are a fan and love training, yes it would be a fun trip. There are always visitors on the mats and everyone is friendly. I would advise visiting before it gets hot as fuck. Austin is cool but everything is on a patio so if the weather sucks, it can be brutal. The gym is in a hideous area but not far from downtown and the river.
>Craig or Nicky Ryan classes
Craig only teaches mornings, but is usually traveling. Nicky is in Europe I think, but otherwise teaches noon classes (some combo of Mon/Wed/Fri). Even if he doesn't teach, you can always ask him questions when he has a free minute. Really helpful guy.
>>185007
>Wait B-team recommend watching Gordon?
There's no denying he is incredibly talented and knowledgeable. Also, I'm not a pro so idgaf about the B-Team vs. New Wave bullshit. I just prefer the B-Team training environment
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:27:32 UTC No. 185069
>>185053
he's not better than anybody is the thing, he's the definition of an armchair expert
he inherited the students renzos name brought in and is famous because of their effort on the mat
but he's the kind of guy that you'll know for years, will call you to ask you for a favor when he needs something, but going the other way he'll leave you on read and when you see him in public he pretends he doesn't know you
and I used that example because this actually happened
the guy is a user and of poor moral character
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 19:11:57 UTC No. 185075
Why the fuck do higher belts come to beginner classes and roll with white belts?
I can't imagine they get anything out of it, since the skill disparity is so great that the "roll" would barely qualify as a half-assed drill for them, I certainly don't get anything out of it since, again, the skill disparity is so big I barely know what's going on, so how is it not just a waste of everyone's time and my cervical spine?
/rant ogre
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 19:19:24 UTC No. 185077
>>185075
what do you mean by higher belts
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 19:26:08 UTC No. 185079
>>185077
There's this one purple belt that comes to beginner classes that I go to (my guess is as a warm-up, since there is an advanced class right after and I never see him in the changing room after training).
He's a relatively fresh purple belt -couple months I think- but he's good enough to pretty much toy with anyone in the room despite not going hard at all
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 19:46:00 UTC No. 185081
>>185079
from the bottom it seems like a purple belt is all that, but from the other side of the curve the difference between a purple and a blue belt is pretty marginal
he's feeling just as clueless as everyone else when it comes to fundamentals and probably doesn't feel confident in the other class so he's hiding out at the kids table
also is he fat? sounds fat
as you go higher in belts your physicality matters more, not less. It's the opposite of what they tell you will happen because when skill matches skill your conditioning is the x factor
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 19:56:02 UTC No. 185084
>>185081
>from the bottom it seems like a purple belt is all that, but from the other side of the curve the difference between a purple and a blue belt is pretty marginal
>he's feeling just as clueless as everyone else when it comes to fundamentals
Yeah try saying that after getting choked out every 40 seconds in a five minute round
>probably doesn't feel confident in the other class so he's hiding out at the kids table
I don't think so, I said that he stays for the advanced classes as well
>also is he fat? sounds fat
Lol what, where did that come from? No, he's pretty fit
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 20:02:05 UTC No. 185085
>>185075
>>185079
>>185081
>>185084
Also I now realize that my posts came off a bit more vitriolic than I intended; From our limited interaction he seems like a nice enough guy, I'm just a bit salty because I feel like I'm wasting my time and energy any time he asks me to roll with him
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 20:29:02 UTC No. 185091
>>185084
just don't let him tap you
don't make jiujitsu more complicated than it is. There's 2 things he can do to you, pull your arm away from your body and bend it, or wrap something around your neck
that's basically it, so don't let him to either of those things and then whatever else happens doesn't matter
he's the purple belt, you're the white belt, which means he should win, which means if he doesn't win then you win
so if you don't lose, you win
the reason you're losing is you're trying to win instead of trying not to lose
he's not doing anything, you are making mistakes. Stop moving, stop trying, and the mistakes will stop. all you need to do is defend and not die
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 21:04:55 UTC No. 185098
>>185075
It's a cycle. You are the white belt getting abused and toyed with, he is the purple belt getting toyed with by black belts.
Every upper belt has experienced what you're experiencing, and one day you will do what they're doing. When you're working on new skills, it's easier to practice with people not as good as you. It's also just fun to smash people sometimes.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 21:25:01 UTC No. 185101
>>185075
>my guess is as a warm-up, since there is an advanced class right after and I never see him in the changing room after training
This is what I do to either take it easy and recover from an injury or get more mat time. For about a month or 2 I did half of a Foundations class because my kid was training and I had nothing better to do.
I'm only blue, but I like to go easy and slow on white belts. Good chance to test my understanding of certain moves. Many higher belts know those moves and will shut them down with some kind of response, so the move often doesn't get fully tested with them. Tbh it's also low pressure. I have nothing to prove to a white belt and everything to prove to a black belt. A white belt isn't going to notice how sloppy my triangle was or whatever, so Im free to play around.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 21:32:07 UTC No. 185103
>>185061
Sick. Thanks for the advice. I'll definitely make time for it before I get too old.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 21:36:31 UTC No. 185105
>>185085
Echoing what the other guy said. My coach says that the way to approach rolling with higher belts is to temper your expectations. You're not going to just walk in one day and roll right over him, that's not realistic. But you can make him work just a little harder than he wanted to. Last time he tapped you out every 40 seconds... this time see if you can last 60 seconds before he taps.
No lie, my first indication of progress was maybe six or so months into training. I was rolling with a pans champ. Usually this guy taps me five times in five minutes like clockwork. On that day he tapped me only three times in five minutes. Great success!
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Feb 2024 10:36:31 UTC No. 185183
>>184933
You can knock out someone with a good wrestling/judo throw, you don't need to "do" something on the ground reallt, just put them there, if the guy knows what he's doing sure, he'll probably know how to fall, but a normal person will get a concusion from a good wrestling throw into concrete
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:36:42 UTC No. 185219
>>185141
Might be impetigo
Go to a dermatologist, you'll get antibiotics, it will be gone in a week or two at most
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Feb 2024 22:07:31 UTC No. 185245
>>185184
Yes, getting emotionally invested in the goings-on of retarded people.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 01:15:41 UTC No. 185267
>>185183
what if the throw doesnt work?
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 02:38:15 UTC No. 185279
>>185267
smesh
submissions should be reserved as a hail mary when you're being beaten, if you're in top there's no reason to ever really go for one
you're already winning, there's only downside to trying and possibly losing position in the process
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 03:29:23 UTC No. 185290
Are those wrestling dummies / bjj dummies worth it I kinda want to practice those greco styles thrown and submission at home
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 03:37:14 UTC No. 185293
>>185290
Get a Suples model if you want a greco dummy. They're the only ones I've seen that have an arm length that doesn't feel like it was just sewn on a heavy bag as a after thought.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 05:06:12 UTC No. 185300
>>185279
there are definitely reasons to use a submission if youre on top and winning. in a street fight, beating someone to a pulp takes time and opens you up to legal liability. a proper strangelhold however does neither. smashing only works if youre big and is useless if they have backup.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 05:40:02 UTC No. 185302
>>185300
We've sussed out the details on this question before, and although strangling someone is objectively safer for them than knocking them out, from an optics stand point to a jury if you strangle someone you tried to commit a murder
And a prosecutor is going to have a field day hitting you with attempted murder, they'll bring in a use of force expert saying on the force continuum punching someone is level 2 unarmed/less-lethal and strangling someone is level 5 offensive deadly force because that's the standard police are held to
And if you're in a blue county you're fucked because you laid hands on a black man who was just a victim of socioeconomic factors
And if you're in a red county you're fucked because they're bootlickers that back the blue no matter what they do and the cop on the stand says the bad guy is you
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 08:31:28 UTC No. 185312
>>185290
Wrestling/throwing dummies are worth it. BJJ dummies aren't. Simple as.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 14:35:09 UTC No. 185323
>>185267
You try again
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 15:59:01 UTC No. 185330
Isn't BJJ overkill for the average person that cares about self-defense? Honestly pretty sure I'd be more worried about somebody that drills one YouTube video with a single takedown and submission every week than somebody that spent thirty minutes a week rolling on the ground for a year. The whole Bruce Lee thousand side kicks approach.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:41:04 UTC No. 185335
>>185312
Is there even a difference?
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 18:02:15 UTC No. 185342
>>185335
Greco wrestling dummies are typically stump bottom so they're somewhat self standing and pretty heavy. You may also see them sold as thai clinch dummies. Bjj dummies tend to be floppy, have all limbs, and completely incapable of even holding a ground posture, let alone stand. Exceptions like the BJJ9k and Smarty exist, but most people here won't pay for them even if they see a use. There are also wall mounted wrestling dummies like the Snap and Shoot and ADAM, but they also fall into the more expensive end and really require you already have some wrestling knowledge.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 19:23:43 UTC No. 185353
>>184952
>makes nerds think they can fight
/THREAD
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 19:34:50 UTC No. 185354
>>184955
Fuck. I was about to start bjj 2 years ayo because I thought it was a low-injury sport. Thank God I ended up with boxing. I'm happy with the choice: we spar once a week and I only had a black eye (2 times), lightli broken lips (every month) and light injuries in wrists and fingers.
inb4: late 30s oldfag coming from bodybuilding
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 21:53:47 UTC No. 185362
>>185302
most cops dont know how the choke properly, that's why most people associate police chokes with crushing the esophagus like a monkey, or in this case i guess a pig. there would be much less police murders if those yokels knew the first thing about a proper strangulation.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:02:05 UTC No. 185363
>>185362
>there would be much less police murders if
no niggers
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:08:28 UTC No. 185366
>>185363
>t. got beat up by a nigger
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:43:15 UTC No. 185376
>>185375
Check out their attacker models if you have something you can attach to. Those ones you posted don't stand up great unless you don't mind going from a head touch or otherwise stabilizing the Upper body before dropping.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Feb 2024 23:54:36 UTC No. 185384
>>185376
Ah fair
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Feb 2024 00:19:15 UTC No. 185387
I want to improve my wrestling,
So I began reading about the Russian oly wrestling team and sombo after watch a few of alexander karelin's and Khabib's matches.
I am getting a feeling it is not worth looking into but I could be wrong.
Is it actually worth studying? Is there something I specific should look at?
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Feb 2024 05:55:18 UTC No. 185422
>>185362
The welfare piggies have no interest in doing any more work than they have to
They're perfectly happy to just tase and beat the fuck out of people unnecessarily rather than spend time learning how to do their job more effectively
In fact most of them enjoy beating up on people, you'll see it when they yell "don't pull away from me" or "stop resisting" and then lay into their victim when it's clear to anyone with working eyes the person was doing no such thing
But they teach them in the academy to yell those things before fucking someone up to gaslight any witnesses into thinking the person was fighting with them
No cops allowed in my gym. I'm not going to be responsible for teaching something to sadists that will misuse it
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Feb 2024 08:15:07 UTC No. 185430
>>185422
Haha true, there is a ex con at my gym who has a full Hitler tattoo on his back and I have given him a few privates when he started.
I trust him 200% more then cops or prison guards I have dealt with both. They don't know how to act when they don't have all the power.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Feb 2024 20:22:02 UTC No. 185478
>>184097
no shit hes a faggot, what else is he supposed to do if he has a pussy instead of a dick you moron? and why does it matter if hes gay anyway you weirdo lol
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Feb 2024 15:34:42 UTC No. 185544
>>185354
The numbers don't lie. In spite of all the bjj injuries you hear about, boxing is a dramatically more dangerous sport if you're going by sheer number of injuries.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Feb 2024 18:57:03 UTC No. 185585
>>185501
Let me re write my question
As a someone with a minimum of wrestling experience is it worth studying the russian Olympic team or am I better off studying something else
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Feb 2024 19:48:38 UTC No. 185596
>>185585
Defence and grip fighting for foundation, then you can go in whatever direction you want. Use professionals as inspiration, not to learn how to wrestle. Hassan Yazdani got me into underhook offense but you still have to learn to get the underhook first.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Feb 2024 20:28:53 UTC No. 185602
>>185596
That makes sense thanks
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Feb 2024 21:03:43 UTC No. 185608
Guys I've been watching a lot of KOTS fights which are basically as close to a real fight as you can get
If seems BJJ is massively negated by 12-6 elbows , headbutts and eye gouging
Is BJJ therefore pointless for self defence
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Feb 2024 22:26:43 UTC No. 185617
>>185478
i have a weenier.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 07:10:33 UTC No. 185677
I bought the B-team white belt curriculum
It is less focused than I thought but it looks like a good collection of moves that I haven't seen in class.
Then again I am only a 4 strip white belt.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 16:11:08 UTC No. 185723
>>185608
Passive, bottom position is the issue you're talking about. Many of the KOTS retards would save themselves a lot of damage if they knew some BJJ
>how to escape mount
>how to escape side control
>how to maintain mount
>how to submit from the back
>how to get someone off you and stand up
BJJ is not just playing guard
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 16:17:15 UTC No. 185724
>>185608
No one on kots knows bjj in the first place I’ve seen those guys roll around like retards with no idea what they’re doing on the ground.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 17:09:33 UTC No. 185729
>>185723
>>185724
They all know BJJ to at least blue belt level. It just doesn't work when someone is punching/headbutting your face
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 17:21:53 UTC No. 185731
Basic 90s Gracie takedowns still work?
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 17:33:57 UTC No. 185732
>>185729
lol, lmao even
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 17:37:35 UTC No. 185735
>>185729
Are you retarded or just baiting people? This board is fascinating
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 18:09:34 UTC No. 185737
>>185732
>>185735
Cope. They all try to escape mount etc but it's different irl and not in a safe bjj cuddle friendly environment
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 20:15:31 UTC No. 185757
>>185737
What about MMA? Or does that also not count because there is gloves and rules?
You're retarded. Go to a BJJ gym and challenge a blue/purple belt to a street fight. Please record it for us
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 22:02:21 UTC No. 185770
>>178342
Is bjj boring? What made you stick to it?
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Feb 2024 22:14:42 UTC No. 185771
>>185757
The biggest tool is getting a top position and eye gouging most people will tap.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 01:26:23 UTC No. 185788
Do any of you guys remember how long it took you to stop getting smoked by other no stripe white belts? I'm on class 7, second day of a week or 2 in my total beginner s class dedicated to wrestling takedowns and can feel the demoralization coming on. How long is the grind at the total beginners level?
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 02:01:07 UTC No. 185789
What do I do if I'm facing a far better guy than me who plays guard and just sits up? Yeah I can go for a bodylock, but I feel it's underwhelming since it's really hard to hold, and then I'm just gonna be in 1)leg lock, or 2) in closed guard soon. Can I like try to lean in on him with my head and go for HQ/half-guard? If he uses his hands enough, I'd go for an underhook
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 02:35:26 UTC No. 185790
>>185771
That’s retarded and it’s not going to work on people who know how to grapple
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 06:29:41 UTC No. 185805
>>185789
staple his bottom leg to the mat
this is a fundamental concept and nobody teaches it
the guy on bottom literally can't do anything if his bottom leg is pinned
>>185788
I don't understand why beginners are even rolling with each other
how are you going to play a game against someone when neither of you knows how to play
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 11:41:10 UTC No. 185817
>>185788
I'll let you know when I find out
>t. 6 months in
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 12:16:37 UTC No. 185821
>>185757
MMA has too many rules such as no 12-6 elbows , headbutts, eye gouge, strangle, or kicks to downed opponent
Hence they have to play bjj games
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 13:30:13 UTC No. 185832
>>185821
None of these with the exception of kicking a downed opponent would change anything at all
And I'm pretty sure there were/are promotions where soccer kicks are allowed and surprise, surprise, the fights looked identical to Unified Ruleset
The reason you don't see any real ground grappling in KOTS is because none of the fighters are good enough to make it in a real promotion, professional or amateur
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 14:15:04 UTC No. 185834
>>185832
Huge cope.
Most of them fight amateur k1/MMA too
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 14:44:13 UTC No. 185837
>>185834
>source: your ass
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 15:14:23 UTC No. 185842
>>185837
>They are untrained
>Source: your ass
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 15:15:11 UTC No. 185843
>>185788
>How long is the grind at the total beginners level?
Different for everyone, but you will be pretty clueless for up to a year at least. Start asking questions and watching matches if you want to improve quickly
>>185789
>plays guard and just sits up
Stop passing from your knees, if you're doing that. Stand up, staggered stance, keep your head close to the level of their's so they can't wrestle up on you, and try to get them to their back.
You can get them to their back using grips/pushes (shoulders, head, lifting feet), or by flanking them and forcing them to their back to retain guard. Passing is one of the hardest things in BJJ, don't get discouraged. I would really recommend learning a half guard passing system, and just forcing half guard.
Here is a good clip about engaging in people's guard: https://youtu.be/lH50uCCH_iM?si=31L
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:14:41 UTC No. 185952
Is 30 too old to start BJJ?
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:22:54 UTC No. 185955
>>185952
If you aim to beat Gordon Ryan yes, if you just want to do a martial art no.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 22:50:08 UTC No. 185993
Is there any bjj content on attacking with a knife?
All I can find is defending a knife attack, and some guy saying to just roll with a rubber knife and figure it out on your own.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Feb 2024 23:31:38 UTC No. 186012
>>185993
You can't defend from a knife with any reasonable chances of success with any technique or martial art (inb4 the boxing fag jumps in), you'll just end up dead on the sidewalk
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 02:24:19 UTC No. 186035
>>185993
Look into shivworks and Craig Douglas. Best self defense/grappling content involving weapons that I've seen.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 02:52:18 UTC No. 186041
>>186035
Thanks looks pretty good
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 04:52:10 UTC No. 186051
>>186035
Didn't the guy not grab my wrist no my other wrist properly in one of his demos and the entire technique didn't work?
I ain't payin that much for a little baby knife
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 09:27:21 UTC No. 186069
Does bjj teach grip fighting and takedown defence?
Will it teach me the most useful takedowns of judo and wrestling whilst ignoring all the bs?
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:56:26 UTC No. 186074
>>186069
It's kinda there, but BJJ really doesn't focus on it. There's little depth to it, in order to accommodate the hugely increased focus on ground fighting.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:59:47 UTC No. 186075
>>186074
>>186069
that is to say, if you're *only* interested in stand-up wrestling, just do Judo or Wrestling.
If you want to wrangle someone while they're already on the ground, do BJJ.
If you want a bit of both, crosstrain
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 11:10:14 UTC No. 186076
Even if I have a stitch in my left achillies, is it still possible to get into martial arts?
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 12:36:43 UTC No. 186084
>>186076
We're not doctors here (or the vast majority of us anyway), which means we don't know anything about stitched tendons beyond what Google tells us, and we're definitely not YOUR doctors, which means we don't know anything about your particular case
Don't be a retard and rely on advice of retarded strangers, consult your doctor, they'll know the specifics of your injury and what loads you should and should not expose it to
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 22:38:44 UTC No. 186144
>>185993
It could definitely help with isolating and controlling the knife hand. But don't fight someone with a knife unless you have no other option
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 23:22:21 UTC No. 186150
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 23:45:45 UTC No. 186151
>>186150
Attacking? I mean, if you want to murder someone with a knife, advancing to a dominant position and then inserting the knife into various parts of their anatomy is probably a good way to do it.
>takedown
>two points
>pass
>three points
>mount
>four points
>stabstabstabstabstabstabstabstabst
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Feb 2024 23:52:52 UTC No. 186152
>>186151
>advancing to a dominant position
would you do a body lock with a knife in your hand? a double leg? or hand fighting?
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 05:12:24 UTC No. 186178
>>186177
Can't speak for the bike and ski, but the rower is incredible at teaching you a purposeful pacing of output. It's very easy to go too hard and then get btfo by it. Proper stroke form really isn't very intuitive for most people either, so you also might get a new way to look at biomechanics. It's really hard to fully describe until you've spent some time doing it. Everything about it makes people want to go hard and rip it, but really that's completely wrong.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 05:16:06 UTC No. 186179
>>186152
Are you talking about two guys duelling with knives, or using jiujitsu to facilitate murdering someone with a knife?
If the latter, I'd say deception is your ally. Initiate a conflict under the pretense of an unarmed fight, just a bit o' manly fisticuffs. Take him down, advance, then pull out the knife and kill him. I'm thinking of Dequitem on YT, a lot of his matches end with clinching, takedown, top control, and then pulling out the rondel dagger and stabbing. Talk to HEMA bros for more about grappling with knives/daggers.
Just to be clear, this is completely immoral, legally indefensible, and of zero practical usefulness to anyone except a psychopathic serial killer. I'm kinda baffled by the question but I'm going along with it as a thought experiment.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 05:26:02 UTC No. 186183
>>186177
It's all about muscle confusion
https://youtube.com/shorts/OmiK7u1Y
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 05:42:50 UTC No. 186189
>2 month white belt asks me a question after class
>said he did a move to a black belt and he "had it"
>the black belt just laughed at him and blew right out of it
>I don't understand what I did wrong?!
your first mistake was thinking after 8 weeks you would win against someone that's been doing it for 12 years
why are they like this? if you're like this why are YOU like this? I can't understand this headspace asking what did I do wrong
probably a fucking lot
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 06:01:02 UTC No. 186191
>>186179
>thought experiment
It is just that I was reading about ringen which is an old german form of armored wrestling with the goal of stabing a downed opponent.
Along with just watch danaher self defense advice (FTF vol 1 ch 8) which brought up standing vs grounded or svg where you pretty much arm drag and stomp which he openly say is illegal.
I wanted come up with a horrible wrong defense plan, like hand fighting till you can tight up, which at that point you pull the knife and stab.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 13:02:44 UTC No. 186212
Been training for close to 5 years. No cauliflower ears yet other than a few small knots/bumps on them. I got an accidental kick to the ear today, it hurts quite a bit and is bruised but there's no swelling. Is it possible that my ear could blow up over night or develop into cauli later?
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:01:56 UTC No. 186247
>>186212
It probably would have already swelled. I have the little knots/bumps too but no cauliflower ear, likely a genetic thing.
Cauli-bros: do you ever get strange looks or comments from people?
I feel like the average person doesn't even notice or know what cauliflower ear is.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:57:26 UTC No. 186253
>>186247
I had no idea what cauliflower ear was.
Unless you're extremely knowledgeable or into rugby or combat sports, I bet most people think it's just a deformity
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 19:28:19 UTC No. 186259
>>186212
Only people with bitch skin get it unless there's serious trauma, and I've been blasted in the ear with elbows and knees my fair share and still haven't even found the threshold for it
If you don't get it you don't get it
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Feb 2024 23:16:52 UTC No. 186289
>>186253
You get how many wrestler there are in the us
I want for an interview and asked about his ear and got the job
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Feb 2024 00:16:06 UTC No. 186295
>>186179
>zero practical usefulness
The best type of knowledge
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Feb 2024 00:34:24 UTC No. 186299
people say you see someone with cauliflower ear on the street he knows how to fight so you shouldn't mess with him
I see someone that gets hit and caught in headlocks a lot
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Feb 2024 22:41:50 UTC No. 186401
You think everyone should know basic grappling?
Anonymous at Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:00:34 UTC No. 186408
>>186401
If you are a Frend yes, if your future nasa engineer no.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 11 Feb 2024 06:55:37 UTC No. 186484
As a beginner is there any I need to study past passing, taking the back and attack the back?
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Feb 2024 07:03:46 UTC No. 186486
As a white belt is there anything I need to study past taking the back, passing guard and attack the back?
Rnc seem to the highest percentage submissions
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Feb 2024 14:08:39 UTC No. 186514
>>186486
As a white belt myself, I think pin escapes and guard retention are probably the most important, because to attack you first need to be able to defend yourself reasonably
After that, probably passing and sweeps
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Feb 2024 14:49:52 UTC No. 186516
Stupid newbie question here....
Never done any grappling before
A place near me offers "Grappling - MMA" once a week. Another place a little further offers BJJ gi and no gi every day. I could attend 2-3 sessions a week.
Would it be foolish to just go straight for the MMA grappling class once a week? Or would I be better off with the second option?
I want skills for a self defence/control situation. I already have a years boxing experience and had an amateur fight so I'm not completely out of my element with striking
What I'm worried about is I've heard a lot of bjj isn't viable outside of bjj rules. On the other hand, I don't think getting hit in the head is sustainable training long term..
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Feb 2024 16:42:15 UTC No. 186522
>>186486
Listen to >>186514
>pin escapes
>guard retention
>attacks from guard (half guard specifically)
>>186516
I would choose the BJJ-specific place, and just do no-gi if you are there for control/self defense. Once a week is not enough
>bjj isn't viable
It's easy to figure out what to avoid on the streets, but you'll likely never have to use it anyways. There will likely be wrestlers in the no-gi class, and hopefully some wrestling instruction if the gym is good.
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Feb 2024 16:48:51 UTC No. 186523
>>186522
There is also wrestling twice a week (freestyle and Greco apparently)
Should I do a session of that when I can as well?
>you'll likely never have to use it anyways.
As in I won't get into any altercations?
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Feb 2024 20:46:41 UTC No. 186568
Would hgh help me get back on the mat after a tendon injury
I know it wasn't a full break
Anonymous at Sun, 11 Feb 2024 22:02:49 UTC No. 186575
>>178342
How do I find people to train techniques out side of the gym? I know some people train with their gf
>t. Friendless
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 04:10:36 UTC No. 186624
>>186523
Wrestling twice a week at the BJJ place? Yes take those classes. And yes, you will likely never get into altercations if you live in a decent part of the world and avoid retards
>>186568
Just rest for a while and do PT exercises
>>186575
Train more and make friends with your training partners. Drill before/after class or at open mat
>t. none of my friends train
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 07:33:38 UTC No. 186636
If training to focus on lethality should you just focus on passing, guard, standing up, slams, and chock.
What is the best way to make bjj more lethal in your opinion
I started thinking of this because of these posts
>>185993
>>186179
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:06:28 UTC No. 186660
>>186656
Yet every MMA fighter knows it
Curious
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:27:41 UTC No. 186662
>>186660
Most mama fighters are garbage. Exclusive bbj fighters who train 5 minutes of striking are reddit athletes. Judo and wrestling are far stronger for grappling and can work in and outside of competition. Brazilian blowjob is for femboys who cannot handle 5 seconds of force.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:49:10 UTC No. 186663
>>186662
Have you ever tried doing a judo throw it's like impossible unless the other person is taking risks and trying to judo throw you as well. If they just stiff arm and hockey punch your face it's over for you
Judo is very high risk low percentage. Yes it looks nice on the Olympics but even there successful throws are very rare and require years of complete dedication
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 15:06:12 UTC No. 186665
>>186663
For beginners yes, but with moderate training most people can osotogari niggers into outer space after entering the clinch. Striking + judo = TND.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 15:23:28 UTC No. 186668
>>186665
>Heh, im gonna osoto gari you from clinch!
>*Gets headbutted*
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 15:41:31 UTC No. 186670
>>186668
Yeah, that is fair counterplay, however bjj is nullified even easier than any martial art. Strikes on the ground completely dismantle all of bbj’s reddit tier practitioners.
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 18:07:07 UTC No. 186685
>>186670
>rear naked chokes dismantle all of wrestling's reddit tier practitioners
>leg tackles dismantle all of judo's reddit tier practitioners
>leg kicks dismantle all of boxing's reddit tier practitioners
Dumb fag
Anonymous at Mon, 12 Feb 2024 22:27:24 UTC No. 186718
>>186662
I'm convinced judofags are the most obnoxious martial artists around today. The arrogance they have despite mediocre results in modern MMA is incredible. And the copes they give are hilarious
>W-we just have better things to do okay???? Otherwise judo athletes would sweep UFC
They always try to lump themselves with wrestling too, as of they are anywhere near as effective
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:50:17 UTC No. 186781
>>186685
>Heh, I'm gonna leg kick you!
>*Connects*
>Wh-what.. you're still standing...?
>100kg of angry meathead boxer proceeds to punch your head in
Nothing personel..
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:57:59 UTC No. 186782
>>186781
Makes shit up, haha its nothing
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:25:40 UTC No. 186804
>>186718
Nah thats fag rollers, hands down. Ya'll never shut up about how great BJJ is even though it's only good for single targets. But I can find clips of randos with little training in boxing or judo dropping & tossing dudes left & right. BJJ takes a lot of skill, but that investment gets you very little return & its only really useful if you're playing the game. Once you know how to eacape, just stand up & everything BJJ has is useless. Which is why, professionally, everyone hates you fags for pulling guard. And the rules keep changing to protect you homos.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:47:24 UTC No. 186807
>>186806
>https://youtu.be/EAJ2vt8wUbY?featu
Seethe & dilate. Your cope amuses me.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:16:44 UTC No. 186808
>>186807
>zero stripe white belt
I am now entirely convinced boxing doesn't work because I can just not get hit
Source? I sparred with a guy who started boxing yesterday
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:27:16 UTC No. 186810
>>186808
>>186807
My gi and white belt have arrived
Redpill me on whether I start my bjj journey
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:29:48 UTC No. 186813
>>186810
1) Go to a BJJ gym
2) Start training
If you're asking for specific progression, ignore submissions in the beginning and focus on guard, guard retention and pin escapes back into guard. Once you learn how to survive and escape bad positions, then you can start learning how to attack
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 16:54:59 UTC No. 186818
>>186810
Learn to hahahjajajj guard hahahahaha surf lamo.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:22:52 UTC No. 186819
>>186810
It is the most accessible and quickest growing of the 3 main grappling sport
Form all the money in it you have access to the highest level information if you pay or pirate
Also drill for reps not time when you can
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:57:38 UTC No. 186828
>>186808
>Glosses over the part where Enkamp does it to his pro-mma brother too
Lol cope much? Look, I even said...
>>186804
>BJJ takes a lot of skill
But theses facts remain, that it is only effective on the ground in 1v1 & that it relies on guard pulling bullshit the majority of the time to be of any use at all. BJJ's 'superiority' exists in a ring, no where else, AND EVEN THEN, the only taps that get used, since no gi is the pro standard, are the most basic fucking shit that are not unique to BJJ. The whole 'style' is a con job. You would get more usefullness out of basic fucking catch-wrestling than you would this garbage. Even judo with it's stricter gi focus has more applicability than BJJ. So go ahead & cry some more.
>>186819
>normies love it so why not
It's the male equivalent of yoga, both in cult like culture & functionality. Which is equally fucking stupid, get the same benefits with basic calisthenic stretching.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 18:06:19 UTC No. 186829
>>186828
>Glosses over the part where Enkamp gets folded like dirty laundry by higher belts despite his best attempts at "just standing up"
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 18:17:29 UTC No. 186831
>>186829
You referring to the intro part of the video where he's basically 'tipping his hat' before going into the silly training montage? Look retard, i guess you don't get this since your social life doesn't extend past blue boards. But in the real world it's customary to extend basic levels of respect. Kinda like how I make the concession that BJJ dominates 1v1 on the ground, kinda... That's what he's doing & you're taking that as some big "AHAA GOTCHA!" moment in your faggy incel logic. And you expect people here to believe you roll? Dude even Gordan Ryan says the exacy same shit Enkamp says in that video. Shit man Criag fucking Jones sells an instructional about just standing the fuck up.
>https://bjjfanatics.com/products/j
Get over it & accept reality dude. BJJ has its moments but you've been sold a lie.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 18:41:20 UTC No. 186832
>>186831
Right so it's completely "based and chad" to form your entire view of BJJ off a white belt who's been training for like half a year and "faggot incel" to point out that he got completely manhandled when trying the same strategy against more skilled opponents?
>Shit man Criag fucking Jones sells an instructional about just standing the fuck up
If you were capable of reading past the headline, you'd notice that the instructional is about making your pins better so that your opponent can't do that and, yes, standing up specifically to exploit an opponent who sucks at pinning
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:59:47 UTC No. 186839
>>186831
>you've been sold a lie
Oh, it's this guy again lol you need help anon
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 20:18:55 UTC No. 186841
>>186828
You don't like yoga? okay do your calisthenics by your self. Women like to have a reason to talk and meet others.
You do know there's more is to a sport being popular then
>muh normies
At least bjj isnt controlled by a discounted Olympic committee
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 22:02:48 UTC No. 186847
>>186841
>At least bjj isnt controlled by a discounted Olympic committee
>what is the ibjjf
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 22:05:07 UTC No. 186848
In the gi what is the best way to pull your opponent into your closed guard from open guard? One thing I've been doing so far is getting a lasso on one side and then just pulling hard on the collar on the other side while extending my free leg and it tends to work. I don't know whether that would work against good competitive opponents though. I feel like I've never seen anything taught for specifically pulling closed guard other than jumping from standing (which I don't want to do) and pulling cross collar and sleeve and hoping that the guy falls into you which I feel isn't that realistic.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 23:14:42 UTC No. 186865
>>186839
You need help keeping dicks out yo face faggot. Its like your chin is a magnet for deez nuts.
Anonymous at Tue, 13 Feb 2024 23:36:40 UTC No. 186868
>>186847
Tons of smaller organizations
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:57:27 UTC No. 186924
>>186848
You need some sort of control over their posture (collar grip usually), and separation between their elbows and knees/hips. Those should be your goals or skills that lead to closed guard pulls.
Here are some helpful videos:
https://youtu.be/rsWEly9GWbQ?si=Llg
https://youtu.be/9PRVVjBqZiY?si=qKh
It's really great that you're asking questions like this. You should start googling and looking for answers on youtube/reddit, and asking your coach things like this. Everyone I know that is exceptionally good studies instructional material or at least troubleshoots positions in the gym.
>t. went through Lachlan & Danaher's stuff when I was a white belt and wrecked all my fellow lower belt training partners
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:56:05 UTC No. 186952
My gym does bjj then judo and sometimes bjj then wrestling
Is going to both classes one after the other a good idea or too much?
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Feb 2024 21:10:09 UTC No. 186968
>>186952
>Is going to both classes one after the other a good idea or too much?
How new are you? It's likely too much if you've just started training. But doing both is fine once you've been training for a while, and if you don't roll super hard all the time
Anonymous at Wed, 14 Feb 2024 21:52:28 UTC No. 186974
>>186968
Brand new
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 03:43:25 UTC No. 187021
>>186974
Just stick with one class at a time for a while until you're consistent and in better shape. Going from nothing to 2-3hrs of grappling might burn you out and lead to injury
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 08:39:09 UTC No. 187043
>>187033
Was that a wrist lock?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 12:46:05 UTC No. 187061
>>179808
how long did it take you?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:58:47 UTC No. 187066
>>186924
Thanks bro
Another question which I've been asking around at the gym
Does anyone know how to prevent back and finger joint pain from playing sleeve grip open guards? I feel like it's my strongest position but I'm concerned about the pain and damage
Idk whether it's just a case of getting stronger and not sparring with too much intensity or if there are techniques to it. I wish there were an instructional purely about how to grip correctly so that you don't get arthritis
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 14:45:47 UTC No. 187070
>>187066
I've heard it can be remedied with exercises to strengthen the finger muscles like grippers and finger expanders, but idk, it may be bullshit
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 15:21:02 UTC No. 187073
>>187066
Don't death grip stuff. You'll hurt your fingers when people go to break the grip
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:13:27 UTC No. 187083
>be 30, overweight and sedentary
>still using my size (5’9”) as an excuse to not train
>went to bjj class a couple times over the past few years and ghosted, so the coach probably remembers me and thinks I’m weird
>have fear of failing so don’t try anything physically competitive, even though failing is the only way to get better
>also convincing myself I won’t enjoy bjj because I’m not used to grabbing/being grabbed by other dudes
I know I’m a lazy twat and probably just making excuses to avoid being physically challenged. How do I make myself go and stop overthinking?
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 16:37:37 UTC No. 187086
Had my first BJJ class today. Taught us some basic groundwork like americana, triangle choke, kimura, and armbar.
Observations
>low energy expenditure compared to boxing, kickboxing or wrestling
>harder to grasp techniques than the above ones
>got used like a dummy by a more experienced student
>left arm feels weird and its fucking with my head because one hand was run through the wringer and the other wasn't
overall, I don't feel like this was all that fun, but I'm gonna give it another chance next week.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 18:05:58 UTC No. 187101
>>187086
>>187086
wtf they taught you all that on your first lesson?
I thought those chokes would take me months to learn
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 18:15:11 UTC No. 187103
>>187101
They showed me the chokes and told us to practice on the partners. This isn't a BJJ gym, it's an MMA gym. Maybe the teaching styles are different? I'm not saying they made me an expert on them, I've just kind of gotten the gist of em. Right now I can flow from like a Side Hold, to a americana, to a kimura somewhat okay-ish. The other stuff kind of flew over my head but the instructor said not to worry and I can get it through next time.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 18:27:42 UTC No. 187106
>>187083
>overweight and sedentary
Training is good exercise
>my size as an excuse
BJJ is full of manlets
>coach thinks I'm weird
He doesn't care
>fear of failing
>I won't enjoy
Why did you go multiple times over the past few years if you don't enjoy it?
These mental hurdles are very common. Pushing through the mental/social/physical discomfort is why people end up loving training. It's good to challenge yourself. If you stick around, you won't be the newest guy anymore and you'll feel yourself improving.
>>187086
>low energy expenditure
Did you roll? Most people get pretty winded
>harder to grasp techniques
>got used like a dummy
Normal. Could also be a shitty instructor/class, that sounds like a lot of technique for one day
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 18:46:59 UTC No. 187111
>>187106
>Did you roll?
nah. this is a beginner class so first we gotta do it with a non-resisting partner so we understand the mechanics and the leverages and shit
>Could also be a shitty instructor/class, that sounds like a lot of technique for one day
Could be! this was my first class, and the others had been around for a couple of classes more. I think I might just be playing catch-up. I'll keep you posted on what they teach us per day. It would be devastating if my gym wasn't that great of a bjj class, cuz I'd have to travel for hours for a gracie one.
Anonymous at Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:35:42 UTC No. 187140
one day closer to quitting forever lads
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Feb 2024 18:56:16 UTC No. 187357
>>187356
this is the most bjj thing, he does a takedown then rolls under to bottom position
so silly and dumb
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:11:38 UTC No. 187367
>>187357
>so silly and dumb
He took the guy down and rolled into a winning submission...
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:19:59 UTC No. 187371
>>187367
because the other guy was accepting the gentlemans agreement of jiujitsu and the rules obliged him to try and pass instead of just backing up
dumb sport
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:37:41 UTC No. 187374
>>187371
I'm starting bjj soon
Do you think the rules will become more realistic in the future or more ridiculous. I.e will combat bjj be a big thing?
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:49:52 UTC No. 187378
>>187371
If you used your eyes you'd notice that the winner had the other guy's arm trapped and pretty much dragged him on top of himself
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:55:33 UTC No. 187379
>>187374
Like every other combat sport, BJJ is the way it is because of rules, particularly striking being illegal. One could make an argument for low point value of takedowns but unless they were valued at a truly ridiculous amount, nothing would change if they awarded more points
And if you want BJJ with striking, well, that's pretty much what modern MMA is
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:24:15 UTC No. 187394
>>187374
it's moving in the right direction, even the ibjjf which is what ruined this is making moves to improve it
but you see this is the only sport where you have multiple different organizations with radically different rules fighting for top position because it doesn't scratch the itch people want out of it right now
the level of gamification is effectively karate/TKD tier at this point. Especially the gi competitions, it has absolutely reached that level of impracticality were you to actually need to use it in a fight
CJJ is the right idea but the EBI overtime is what kills it because the metagame in those comps is to stall and snipe a win in OT
might as well be called the the EB in EBI might as well stand for eBay because its the game is similar to bidding on there for something
Anonymous at Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:26:08 UTC No. 187395
>>187378
going frame by fame it looks like a fluke, he wrist locked himself in the scramble
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Feb 2024 03:29:41 UTC No. 187416
>>187374
>I.e will combat bjj be a big thing?
prob not except a niche among bjj people like it is now. but jiu jitsu people study mma and striking arts so combat jiujitsu is mainly way to practice bjj.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Feb 2024 03:53:51 UTC No. 187420
>>187416
It's also somewhat limited by area to where the bigger 10p places and who they're tied in with for promotion capability. Replay on Fight Pass is good, but live would probably do a lot more to get people to show up.
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Feb 2024 04:26:59 UTC No. 187422
>>187420
aside from that, i think combat bjj is associated with old school culture where newbies get beat up when they show up to the gym. bjj has changed in ways that are partially responsible for incredible rate of expansion over the past 10 years. and unfortunately that means less combat bjj as a proportion to all being grappled
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Feb 2024 22:00:33 UTC No. 187522
>>187356
why did he roll? why did the other guy rush trough his legs like a retard?
Anonymous at Sun, 18 Feb 2024 22:56:15 UTC No. 187525
>>187522
what's funny is the takedown didn't score and it counted as a sweep for the guy that ended up on top
he got his hand caught under the other guy, it was an accidental submission
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Feb 2024 05:27:16 UTC No. 187555
My gym's morning class has finally died. I showed up and there's one 300lb+ guy who pinches me and goes full resistance when drilling. This is after I've told him to stop. I texted my coach and said I'm done going.
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Feb 2024 05:41:20 UTC No. 187558
>>187555
My gym is dying too
It grew for 2 and a half years, really filled up
Now nobody shows anymore
Anonymous at Mon, 19 Feb 2024 08:52:47 UTC No. 187578
>>187555
>>187558
Why does this happen? Do people just gradually lose interest, get pushed away by shitty training partners, or accumulate injuries?
I train at a really small gym and every time there's a new fundamentals class being taught, I'm afraid that some asshole is going to join up and make me not want to go anymore.
Anonymous at Tue, 20 Feb 2024 03:09:19 UTC No. 187649
is it possible to earn a blue belt without ever attending any class lessons? just youtube and live rolls, CAN IT BE DONE!?
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Feb 2024 03:59:11 UTC No. 187824
>>187637
wtf happened there
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Feb 2024 04:00:21 UTC No. 187825
did my first no-gi session last week and going again tomorrow, holy fuck it's so much better than gi. it sucks ass my gym only does nogi once a week otherwise i'd be ditching gi entirely.
Anonymous at Thu, 22 Feb 2024 17:42:36 UTC No. 187857
>>187086
>>187111
Hello buh jay jay general
I am back
second day at jew jitsu
They taught us how to do an armbar from a guard position, and how to flow into a triangle choke from it, and back to an armbar. The instructor said the last bit is just for visuals, and all we had to do was do armbar to triangle choke over and over.
I gotta say: *this* was tiring. I was practicing with a MASSIVE muscular dude, and pulling him in any direction was tough. Dude nearly made me hurl from the triangle chokes.
My trainer told us to practice more often, I asked how I could practice by myself, he responded "You can't. Meet up with a partner and practice." Welp.
Oh yeah my legs and ribs were cramping something fierce and moving around on the mat to adjust to the armbar and triangle choke is kind of hard to do. Any tips to help with these issues? Which youtbe videos/channels do you recommend for training?
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Feb 2024 06:51:57 UTC No. 187972
>>187578
I have a theory
People quit for all different reasons but one consistent fact is people quit right after getting a new belt
And this is true of all belt levels by the way, not just the blue belt meme
And the way my place works now is they like to stockpile promotions and do them all at once instead of person by person as it comes up
And then so over 2 years people build up and then all get new belts at the same time and then drop off all at once
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Feb 2024 06:54:09 UTC No. 187973
>>187824
He posted his arm to catch himself instead of rolling out
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:54:00 UTC No. 188024
>>187972
I guess the reasoning behind this might be "I'm just not really enjoying this anymore, but I want to at least reach this milestone before I quit"
Anonymous at Fri, 23 Feb 2024 19:23:56 UTC No. 188028
>>188024
it's part of the cringe jiujitsu as a lifestyle combined with vetbro brands
it's too much of an ask that you need to be "about it". Jiujitsu is more like a bowling league or pickle ball for most people
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Feb 2024 04:09:36 UTC No. 188082
Less than 1 month in and I'm already sick of washing my gi after every session. Where do I get spares for a good price?
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Feb 2024 04:19:02 UTC No. 188085
>>188082
just buy the sanabuls off amazon
Anonymous at Sat, 24 Feb 2024 13:47:33 UTC No. 188116
>>188082
I just sent my gi back. I'm unsure about even starting bjj and think I might just go to a no gi session first
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Feb 2024 19:55:51 UTC No. 188317
Another comp another 0 wins.
Anonymous at Sun, 25 Feb 2024 20:05:28 UTC No. 188319
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Feb 2024 01:13:33 UTC No. 188371
>>188317
you'll get 'em next time champ. what belt level?
Anonymous at Mon, 26 Feb 2024 04:35:09 UTC No. 188392
>>188371
Blue.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Feb 2024 03:58:04 UTC No. 188669
After my first roll tonight I feel amazing. Got repeatedly, effortlessly demolished by the top belts, survived with one blue belt guy who was going easy, and then got to menace some kids lol. Got my first sub, a collar choke, against a skinny 20 something blue belt who then choked me. Finally I got paired with a 15yo for some reason, and I got him with a kimura and with an arm bar. I would have been happy just surviving the night, but I'm overjoyed I pulled off some moves, regardless of the huge physical mismatch. I have to say, I've never bullied or been bullied before, but I immediately see the appeal.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Feb 2024 04:49:30 UTC No. 188677
>>188669
you didn't use your full man strength against the child did you?
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Feb 2024 11:03:46 UTC No. 188711
>>182666
I personally think that the old style of training where classes are ground game only is going away.
In my gym we have wrestling at least two times a week, one class with some mma/striking mixed-in and the occasional judo/sambo technique (one of the brown belts is a national combat sambo champion).
I thought that was the case everywhere but maybe it's due to my country having a wrestling/sambo tradition way before bjj was even heard of.
Anonymous at Wed, 28 Feb 2024 11:23:43 UTC No. 188715
>>188677
A win is a win
It's not like I hurt him
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Mar 2024 23:57:43 UTC No. 189059
>>178342
Any tips on reverse z guard?
>favorite sub
I think its front head lock
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Mar 2024 01:48:23 UTC No. 189665
I will know I have made it when I get ANY post-roll compliment other than
>nice frames
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 05:51:12 UTC No. 189983
>be me
>white belt maybe 15 hour long lessons so far
>experience so far
>love it actually, doing gracie
>cardio is intense as fuck
>injuries: jammed pinky from rolling with other white belts, rash from mat
>bad experiences: getting choked against the wall by eager white belt douche, dudes balls in my face, dude dripping sweat on me without bothering to try to wipe it
>good experiences: Im 6'2", did yoga for years so learning triangle chokes, rear chokes seem to work good. Last lesson trained with black belt who taught me a lot and seemed much better to work with and less likely to act stupid. Learning mostly escapes and some submissions.
>opinion: obviously if u learn martial arts for self defense/mma u need to learn both grappling and strikes, end of discussion faggots. "But what if 3 friends come out of the bar" shut the fuck up. Yr fucked either way, best defense is to run away or avoid it before it happens. Or verbally deescalate.
>plan on continuing Gracie training and perhaps basic Muay Thai techniques, I enjoy it.
>yoga and weight lifting seem to be good for martial arts, 10 years experience with yoga, 3 or so more serious with weight lifting.
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Mar 2024 05:53:14 UTC No. 189984
>>189983
Also: when I was rolling at 20% force with the black belt I could not pass his legs even though he was nice enough to tell me exactly what to do. Felt like a fly fighting a frog
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 22:44:16 UTC No. 190412
Back to rolling after 5 year hiatus, blue belt. nI can train twice a week.
I'm 31 now. Will my body be able to handle the knocks on my knees and shoulders?
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 23:07:35 UTC No. 190414
>>190412
just remember you're not 26 and you aren't going to tough your way through things anymore without consequences
the injuries will come on faster and take longer to heel. The most important thing you can do is come to terms with that fact and not act like your joints don't have more mileage on them. Especially if you've been inactive
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 01:52:59 UTC No. 190424
does anyone else feel like no-gi is much less tiring than gi? i feel so worn out after gi trainings, but no-gi I feel like i can go forever. feels real weird.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 18:16:01 UTC No. 190482
Another day, another shit session, another hour and a half of getting utterly demolished.
I've been training for over six months now, but it feels like I have not improved at all since the day I started.
Every roll is the exact same, every roll I get completely trashed.
Does it ever get better? It feels so incredibly demoralising.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Mar 2024 21:34:57 UTC No. 190491
>>190482
just remember the key principles
dont let anything inside the space between your armpits and knees
if your bottom leg is free you can stand up at any time
if your head is above your butt you can't be swept
it's basically a check list on if those things are happening to you or not
Anonymous at Mon, 18 Mar 2024 17:48:32 UTC No. 190971
Anyone know a good place to torrent instructionals from?
I'm trying to get my hands on Danaher's Kimura and my download has been stuck on 99.6% for the past several days because no one is seeding the damn thing, and that's with the one link with which I managed to download anything at all
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Mar 2024 03:05:28 UTC No. 191116
broke my foot today, had a partner push into me and all my weight and his bent my foot backwards. heard a loud ass pop. first day back too, lmao. oh well, what can you do
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Mar 2024 07:04:33 UTC No. 191134
>>190971
look them up on bitsearch.to
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Mar 2024 11:21:55 UTC No. 191145
>>191134
That's where I found it
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:07:39 UTC No. 191152
>>191145
rip