Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 02:30:17 UTC No. 178462

Boxing, like Fencing, is a sport.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 02:57:22 UTC No. 178469

it's highly unrealistic
>BUT ITS FUNDEMENTAL FOR MMA
no it's not. punching is, not boxing
all the postures and foot work in boxing are completely wrong

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 03:12:51 UTC No. 178475

Boxing once held the singular status as a pressure tested striking ruleset trained world wide. It is no longer that, and seems to be suffering greatly for it.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 06:56:36 UTC No. 178491

>>178475
This is only because Myau Thai and Kickboxing proved to be supreme every single time, add a kick to your arsenal and a boxer goes bye bye.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:39:14 UTC No. 178509

Aikido is legit though, just pretty much useless in an actual fight on it's own.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 16:22:50 UTC No. 178519

>>178460
Always has been.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 19:06:46 UTC No. 178533

>>178460
It would be enough in most fights

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 20:11:18 UTC No. 178543

>>178469
This... With grappling included, having that angled 45° posture does not help at all and opens you up to shit like this >>178460 is why MMA fighters have a more square head on stance like wrestlers. Got to be ready to sprawl.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 20:33:28 UTC No. 178545

>>178519

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:38:57 UTC No. 178572

>>178460
Props to that dude for backing off right away when he saw that he was out, most people would continue the beatdown. More dudes need to be like that mf.

Anonymous at Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:55:37 UTC No. 178575

>>178572
Agreed. I also like that he stopped when he realized the other guy was hurt.
On the other hand I still think that was a bit of overkill considering the clear size difference.
Oh well. Boxer had decent strikes but he should have been backing off instead of staying close.
In anything, the person admistering the violence and who they are up against are always significant factors in combat. Boxing is still a perfectly viable striking solution in many circumstances and there are countless videos of a punch knocking someone out to back that assertion up.
But boxing and striking are only some aspects of combat. There is ranged combat, like guns or bows and arrows; there is weapon combat like single stick, baseball bat, knife, staff, baton, etc.; striking which has the most popular systems from boxing, muay thai, karate, kickboxing, etc.; grappling like wrestling, jiu jitsu, judo, etc. Nearly everything I listed off are sports however so it's worth experimenting with something like Krav Maga or ninjitsu simply to get the dirtier aspects of fighting down.
If there was one, solid answer to how to win at fighting it's all we would teach at a martial arts school, and it's all anyone would do to one another. Eventually while we like to say we're MMA fighters you go all in on some aspect you like the best. And there are times you'll be the winner, and times that you will not.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 14:10:18 UTC No. 178624

>>178509
welcome to /xs/, where the only positive quality that a martial art can possibly have is how good it's going to be in a real fight, and every other aspect of it is at best dismissed and at worst made fun of. get ready to enjoy meaningful discussions full of nuance

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 14:31:07 UTC No. 178625

>>178624
Doesn't matter, no one here trains. So jusy enjoy some really zealous larping. Eventually it will devolve into people throwing out ranks in green text and taking pictures of the uniforms they got when they paid for an introductory class years ago/belts bought online.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 15:00:58 UTC No. 178628

>>178543
>>178469

... what? What? WHAT?!?!!?!!

Holy shit 4chan is supposed to be the place of based honesty, not the place of FUCKING mental retardation.

Oh I'm sorry, boxers stand too much at an angle? You think people from boxing backgrounds don't know how to, I don't know, JUST SIMPLY STAND A LITTLE STRAIGHTER???

And what kind of faggot view is "the footwork of boxing is completely wrong." How actually gay do you have to be to believe that. Boxing footwork is INCREDIBLY useful for MMA, it just needs MINOR adjustments.

Boxing is not FUNDAMENTAL to MMA, but it's an IMPORTANT MINORITY ASPECT of it, just like ground and pound or wall wrestling. When you're at a striking range where kicks get jammed, you're in a position where a boxing firefight becomes highly likely. It's in times like these that good boxing will save your goddamn life.

Jesus, the goddamn couch-expert fags on this thread need to kill themselves.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 15:22:57 UTC No. 178632

>>178628
No refunds on that class BTW

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 15:26:32 UTC No. 178634

>>178628
welcome to /xs/

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 16:00:21 UTC No. 178635

>>178628
>Boxing footwork is INCREDIBLY useful for MMA
Maybe on planet retard.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 17:23:38 UTC No. 178639

>>178628
>blasts you in the legs with kicks
>blasts you in the knees with shots
>foot sweeps you
>elbows you inside clinches
>easily penetrates all your shell defenses because you don't have 20oz of padding wrapped around your hands like a giant lobster claw
>puts kicks behind punches so you slip right into them
>kicks you in right in the fucking mouth when you try to roll away from punches
Boxing sucks and is gay

I will fight any boxer in MMA rules, I don't care what level of professional or weight class he is
If he even manages to land one clean shot I'll be amazed

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 21:11:30 UTC No. 178654

>>178635
>>178639
Yes, another style like kickboxing or BJJ is a better base for MMA than boxing. But boxing is still really great, way better than fucking aikideo or some shit.

>boxing is useless because of leg kicks and clinch
adding on checking kicks and clinchwork on a boxing base is infinitely better than on an Aikido or grappling base
>boxing stance isn't useful
just narrow it and be ready for kicks and takedowns. Again, it's a million times easier to teach a boxer to do that than someone from a truly bullshido style.

Rest assured OP, boxing is no meme. You cherry picked footage of boxing losing to weight difference + wrestling (which is normal). There is an endlessly greater amount of footage of boxing working in street fights.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 21:12:50 UTC No. 178655

>>178628
>Jesus, the goddamn couch-expert fags on this thread need to kill themselves
Thats some strong projection faggot. Boxers themselves will say the exact same thing. The footwork is completely different when you're anticipating takedowns. Do you even watch fights? It's obvious as hell. You sitting here insisting you're right with zero argument & sperg screeching isn't an argument.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 21:17:24 UTC No. 178656

>>178654
Why do you keep brining up Aikido. You're point is retarded & gay just like you. You're one of those faggots that can't stand not having the last word but you have no atgument at all just keep insisting you're right. And now YOU are the one.comparing it to aikido when no one else did.

Anonymous at Fri, 8 Dec 2023 22:32:19 UTC No. 178660

For example take all the combat sports, and yes I'm including karate in there too
Boxing wins 0% of those match ups
It just has no path to victory against anything
Inside the range boxing works it will get clinched and outside it will get kicked

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 02:55:35 UTC No. 178687

>>178660
>and yes I'm including karate in there too
lol https://youtu.be/rNxaNAm_fWQ?feature=shared
>all martial arts
Lmao even
https://youtu.be/6WNtL4UKcwA?feature=shared

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 07:24:04 UTC No. 178700

>>178460
No because boxing is an actually useful skill regardless of limitations. Tae Kwon do is also not at that super low meme level either and boxing is much better than TKD.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 08:20:45 UTC No. 178703

>>178687
>This totally isn't cherry picked bait.
A 15 year old video filmed in a fucking YMCA and the 'karateka' is the worst cherry picked case you could find. And boxing versus a Hollywood-Fu. Pretty sure this faggot is just trolling.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 08:30:25 UTC No. 178705

>>178700
Nah, it isn't, not in comparison it's the least trained striking style in MMA, the footwork isn't compatible with hybrid competitions. This thread is mad cope.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 20:08:52 UTC No. 178764

>>178655
>>178656

I literally make an argument and then get accused of not having arguments. And I bring up Aikido because OP brought it up you actual retard.

And Jesus, why is this thread even still up. Is /xs/ really just a dead board?

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 20:37:37 UTC No. 178765

>>178687
did you seriously just post a USSR propaganda video as evidence?

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 21:07:04 UTC No. 178772

>>178765
>USSR propaganda
Not him but this is not USSR propaganda it recorded in early 90's in Russia

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 21:08:03 UTC No. 178773

>>178700
Hot take but personally think TKD is better than boxing; kicks and the footwork/flexibility that enable them are much harder to learn than how to throw a punch BUT they offer a high skill ceiling. Anyone can throw a punch and get lucky, not just anyone can enter past kicking range, catch a kick or even throw one.

It's kind of like how grapplers can make an untrained person feel like a fish out of water. If there is something you can do that the other person can't then playing into that is stronger than simply trying to do better at the thing you can both do.

Anonymous at Sat, 9 Dec 2023 21:08:51 UTC No. 178774

>>178687
>>178765
Also guys in white kimonos have "TAEKWON DO" on them

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 00:29:18 UTC No. 178829

>>178703
The vast majority of strip mall karate dojos actively make people worse at fighting whereas all boxers learn how to scrap. Cope about it if you like.
>but muh wider variety of techniques
Useless if you can’t actually apply them while getting punched in the face

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 00:31:08 UTC No. 178830

>>178773
Lmao, tae kwon do black belts regularly get their shit rocked by regular ass people on the streets. Hell, joe Rohan was a two time state champion and when he started kickboxing regular club level kickboxers were beating his ass.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 02:34:40 UTC No. 178862

>>178705
Strickland very recently showed the utility of having better boxing against one of the best kick boxers in UFC's history. He straight up used the Philly shell lol.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 10:01:36 UTC No. 178904

>>178830
Yeah the difference between only knowing kicks vs knowing punches is actually equivalent to the grappler vs striker steamroll. Literally as soon as the boxer crosses the sidekick range the TKD guy cannot do anything. But still the kicks in TKD are a legit skill to have so even that I wouldn't say is aikido tier and boxing definitely is not.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 11:18:30 UTC No. 178906

>>178904

Yeah, having shitty hip mobility and fai makes me respect the kicking skills of Taekwondokas. But relying too much on just legs is not a recipe for success.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 11:22:30 UTC No. 178907

>>178705
You’re the schizo in multiple threads for sure
Every mma fighter trains boxing, how can it be the least trained style bozo
Most mma stances are closer to boxing stances than any kick/thai super straight super high stances

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 11:43:12 UTC No. 178908

>>178904
> TKD guy can't do anything.
> Spinning back kick to ribs.
> Breaks your ribs.

Bruh.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 11:44:36 UTC No. 178909

>>178862
Philly Shell is what's used in Kyokushin karate mostly because you just need to protect your body and try and dodge those high kicks, don't see an issue with that stance when implemented in such a manner.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 15:08:00 UTC No. 178931

>>178907
Nah, just cause the training has similarities don't make it boxing.

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:00:10 UTC No. 178969

>>178908
You're never going to make enough space to get the boxer off you if you cannot punch at least a little competently. Also it's not the topic of the thread but sadly TKD isn't even the best martial art for kicks because of no low kicks. It will lose to Muay Thai and knockdown karate in a kicking competition because of that lol.

https://youtu.be/YBDJzJrpxtg?si=UyHtEaXkwZaMmTaH

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 21:13:48 UTC No. 179028

>>178904
I’m not arguing that tae kwon do kicks can’t be a legit skill but the nature of the sport itself is not conducive to preparing people for a real fight. At best point sparring is a useful drill. At worst it fucks up your sense of close range distance and preparation for the realities of fighting. Again, TKD black belts regularly get fucked up by people who have no formal training.

You can ignore the rest of this compilation but watch the first video.
https://youtu.be/m_zRR0YVaMk?feature=shared

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 23:38:34 UTC No. 179075

>>178969
you see the problem here is the lack of clinching gives a false positive to the efficacy of punches

Anonymous at Sun, 10 Dec 2023 23:45:31 UTC No. 179076

>>178460
Boxing is just weak right now, with all these homoerotic pansies ducking each other to keep statpadded 0s and being worried about cte
>webm
Midget kid is an idiot for getting close

Anonymous at Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:53:43 UTC No. 179143

>>179075
have you ever seen an mma in your life ?
It's mostly punches and leg kicks

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Dec 2023 23:30:16 UTC No. 179516

>>178460
Boxing is a sport, a ruleset, not some kind of fighting art. There are dozens of different schools and techniques. What does useless even mean? You can't really know how to fight without knowing how to throw a jab and move, and that's what you'll learn in a boxing gym. All these people saying "in a real street fight" are wrong because street fights are unpredictable. Yeah, you can grapple that guy to the ground and then he pulls a shank and starts cutting into you or gouging your eyes out. Try executing a high kick on a guy with gun. Anyone whose been in one knows street fights are unpredictable and you should avoid them at all cost. Your fancy MMA skills won't save you from five dudes kicking your teeth in. The only meme here is the guy that thinks training a few techniques is gonna make him invincible in a "real fight."

Basic boxing skills and picking your fight location (open area) tend to be better in street fights if its necessary to get involved in one. Why? Because ideally you want to stay on the outside and jab the guy. You don't know if he has a knife and if you try and grapple him, his friends might jump in and kick the shit out of you while your on the ground. If you can't avoid a street fight and can't run away, you want to be fleet footed and keep your distance and never get within close range unless you know he has a gun (in which case your basically fucked anyway). If you throw a kick your risking putting yourself off balance, its easier to go back into your regular stance from a jab than a kick. if you try grappling, he might he just sink his teeth into you, gouge your eyes, or get his buddies to bail him out.

All you need in a street fight are some basic boxing skills (footwork, jab, 1-2 combo, basic defense) and some judo and learn some knife fighting and how to shoot a gun. Just don't be an idiot and avoid street fights. No. 1 cause of death among boxers is getting shot/stabbed in street fights.

Anonymous at Thu, 14 Dec 2023 23:46:12 UTC No. 179517

>>179516
This guy gets it. And while this is very anecdotal. Every time I have seen a sucessful defense in a street fight against multiple attackers, it was with either with boxing or judo.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:04:13 UTC No. 179518

>>178460
Just learn grappling too and boxing works fine

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:05:21 UTC No. 179519

>>179517
Nta. It's the strong comfort with an upright stance. I used to bounce with a guy who washed out of Greco oly trials. He could clinch and use that guy as a wedge to split through a crowd, sort of like a shield. Very useful for obvious and sometimes subtle reasons.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:51:28 UTC No. 179523

>>179517
>>179519
Just being comfortable with standing and fighting and projecting that strength outwardly is a huge advantage when multiple people are involved. Whether or not people admit it, when the adrenaline starts pumping most people are still operating on animal psychology and do not want to fight a fair fight, rather they look to clock you with your back turned or distracted. If you can project that you’re down to scrap with whoever approaches and keep yourself from getting tunnel visioned on one guy you can keep yourself from getting jumped even when logically you could easily be overwhelmed?

Ever seen those videos where a goose stands it’s ground against a bunch of bulls and the bulls end up backing off? Human conflict is not so different and combat sports that give you experience fighting standing up gives you a huge advantage in that regard.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:55:10 UTC No. 179524

>>179523
I didn’t mean to end “overwhelmed” with a question mark. Please don’t bully me for being a retard. I’ve taken a lot of blows to the head.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:26:04 UTC No. 179528

>>178519
>>178545
Thus was a great fight, made me a fan of Inoki

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:27:39 UTC No. 179529

>>179516
As a serious martial autist, I typed what I meant, it's an art for sure. It's only strictly a sport if it can't exist outside a rule set. Like BJJ for example. Boxing, it's principles, and I mean just the style obviously not everything that constitutes the institution of 'boxing' can exist on its own without the expectation of rules or honorable behavior from everyone present.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:34:18 UTC No. 179530

>>179529
>inb4 some RBSD faggot reeeeea about gloves
Just switch to palm strikes with a swarmer approach to make up the lost reach, will fuck shit up.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 02:54:00 UTC No. 179542

>>178628
>Holy shit 4chan is supposed to be the place of based honesty, not the place of FUCKING mental retardation.
It's both.
>>178764
>Is /xs/ really just a dead board?
Old /asp/ was a little bit better back in the day before the /pw/ fags shat it up and drove everyone else away. In the time since /asp/ was split into /xs/ and /pw/ the old /asp/ crowd hasn't really gotten fully reestablished here on /xs/.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 03:23:50 UTC No. 179548

>>178460
Is the kid bleeding from his head? What's the aftermath of this?

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 03:27:39 UTC No. 179551

>>179542
>>178628
Bitching about couch experts while being a total fucking retard & missing the point. Boxing good, boxing footwork bad. Footwork specifically designed for fights with no kicking, no grappling, thats bad. Ballet footwork dont work too good in salsa. Soccer footwork don't work too good in football. Etc, etc. This is not a personal attack on boxing, its the truth, and getting all mad & ranty like that lil bitch is pure seething denial.
>old /asp/ crowd hasn't really gotten fully reestablished here on /xs/
The martial arts threads are exactly the same as they were on /asp/ no one should be surprised by any of the crap on here.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 03:45:55 UTC No. 179556

>>179551
Hard disagree, far less kung fu fags to dunk on and far more <6 month faggots who don’t know what they’re talking about speaking as authorities

The contrarionism is still here though. It’s just that instead of hating RBSD daggots these retards are unironically shitting on boxing. Ultimate proof that 4channers just hate whatever’s popular instead of what’s actually bad

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 04:19:17 UTC No. 179567

>>179542
>old /asp/ crowd hasn't really gotten fully reestablished here
I'll let you know that I was a prolific character on that board but I've dropped the act. I won't tell you which one.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 04:26:27 UTC No. 179571

>>179556
Boxing died 20 years ago nigga.

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:33:37 UTC No. 179602

>>179567
>I won’t tell you which one
Can I just start naming some names and tell me if I’m right?

Seido fag

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:46:36 UTC No. 179605

>>179571
>boxing is dead
>he actually believes this
lol

Anonymous at Fri, 15 Dec 2023 16:07:23 UTC No. 179614

>>178460
Proof that size > technique

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:50:03 UTC No. 179719

Tbh I'd be amazed if even half of you trained in anything at all.

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Dec 2023 10:56:56 UTC No. 179721

>>178628
/xs/ is a shitshow 90% of the time
>>179567
Goju tard?

Anonymous at Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:28:42 UTC No. 179726

>>178519
>BJJ doesn’t work, you couldn’t do that in a real f-ACK!