🧵 Should headbutts be legal in mma?
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Mar 2024 22:57:48 UTC No. 190292
I think they should because they would be a big change in tactics. Maybe not as big as eyepokes but I think everybody agrees eyepokes shouldn't be legal.
Some say legalizing headbutts would lead to fight ending cuts but personally I don't think you can do a cut big enough to require more than some antiseptic cream with a blunt part of your body. Some Pride fights ended because of it but in ufc guys almost always continue fighting while covered in blood.
Others say it would lead to more brain damage and I believe they have a point but we need to think what's more important, coolness o fighters' health?
And imo the answer coolness because if health was more important, we would only allow kyokushin legal strikes and white belt ibjjf legal grappling.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:28:31 UTC No. 190296
>>190292
Eye gouging, biting and groin shots are fine to leave out. Everything else should be allowed.
Headbutts honestly probably wouldn't lead to that much brain damage. At least no more so than what fighters already get by being punched and kicked, or choked out. The kind of position you'd be able to land a headbutt from shouldn't allow for that much speed and the mass and "sharpness" will probably make them much more superficially damaging and give out advantages that way through cutting brows and blocking noses.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:37:36 UTC No. 190297
The long term damage isn't really the issue. It's the headbutt's tendenacy to rip cuts open, especially over the eyes. Basically the same logic as old Jap rules about elbows. Commisions may have come around on MMA, but nightly bloodbathes that cause early stoppages is probably gonna be hard sell.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Mar 2024 23:54:18 UTC No. 190300
>>190296
>Headbutts honestly probably wouldn't lead to that much brain damage.
Yes they absolutely would. Because now you've got a strike that doubles the rate of brain damage (since both fighters take a head shot whenever it lands).
Choking people out doesn't give them brain damage that's why BJJ guys need to smoke so much weed, to catch up.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 00:31:20 UTC No. 190304
>>190300
Only if you consider each strike analogous to others. Even though every impact to the brain is bad there are degrees to how bad they are, and realistically headbutts would likely be delivered from clinching, half-guard or similar positions. Not much room to build up speed or power behind it. They're not rikishi charging head first into each other.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 01:11:58 UTC No. 190309
enjoy your CTE skyrocketing
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 02:42:21 UTC No. 190317
Nah
The modern cranium is weak and smushy
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 09:37:32 UTC No. 190335
>>190304
CTE doesn't require shots to be particularly big just for you to be taking a lot of them repeatedly.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 09:56:59 UTC No. 190336
Fights in KOTS have been instantly ended with headbutts
The thing is, it makes the whole thing a lot more brutal and "uncivilised" MMA is a product first and foremost now, so you won't see anything that disturbs the current meta which promotes fancy shit like bjj. It's not actual combat. KOTS is
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:09:14 UTC No. 190345
>>190336
>current meta which promotes fancy shit like bjj
Bjj meta was a thing 30 years ago, before rules were introduced. Promoting bjj to sell mma as a product would make no sense cause most fans prefer stand up fighting.
>KOTS is
It is but its fighters can't fight. I wish there was a promotion with more liberal rules than ufc but also safer than kots so professionals aren't afraid to try it. The closest things Rizin which has mid level professionals and allows ground kicks but doesn't allow headbutts and Wotore which has amateurs and low level professionals and allows ground kicks and headbutts but for me it's hard to watch due to retarded "standup after 20 second of ground fighting" rule.