Anonymous at Sun, 12 May 2024 13:08:03 UTC No. 197380

>>197362
>Hang on let me just establish gri-
>*Gets punched in the face*
>Hey stahhp!
>*Gets headbutted*
>Owwww!
>Finally, I have my collar and sleeve grip
>*Gets punched again*
>Attempts throw but it doesn't work because he hasn't mastered judo every day for 20 years
>*Gets kicked in the head*

Judo takes years to become even slightly proficient at, strikes change the whole game and someone can punch you in the head 3 times before you even get one grip

Boxing is the best martial art for self defence, as well as being heavier and stronger than your opponent

Most top judo players even say "we don't care about self defence bro this is for fun and socialising activity" I've seen it myself

Anonymous at Sun, 12 May 2024 14:41:32 UTC No. 197383

>>197380
Tl;dr, sounds retarded though

https://youtu.be/OW1ji0BwpzQ?feature=shared

Anonymous at Sun, 12 May 2024 18:06:18 UTC No. 197407

>>197383
That dude sounds like he's about to ejaculate the whole time

Anonymous at Sun, 12 May 2024 18:54:58 UTC No. 197411

>>197383
Judo ostrich cope

Anonymous at Sun, 12 May 2024 19:03:17 UTC No. 197413

>>197407
That guy is a pencil necked dweeb with braces and sounds like some sort of mmo nerd parody. It's funny he thinks he's an authority on fighting lmfao

Anonymous at Sun, 12 May 2024 19:38:13 UTC No. 197417

>>197407
>>197413
I enjoy his channel because it lets me see interesting fights I probably wouldn’t be able to find on my own, but I have to watch them on mute because I can’t stand listening to him talk.
>>197411
How is it a cope? The boxer got his ass choked out. The “oh I’d just punch you in the face grapple no work on me” line is a cope.

Anonymous at Sun, 12 May 2024 21:35:34 UTC No. 197429

>>197383
The idea that even average boxers have lighting fast hands and can knock you out instantly if you get close it's a 80s myth?

Anonymous at Sun, 12 May 2024 21:53:33 UTC No. 197431

>>197417
>I have to watch them on mute
lol I do this too

I try not to hate on the guy because he's not doing anything /wrong/ but he has really bad amateurish takes for someone with a channel breaking down fights
like even in this one hEs CrOsSiNg HiS fEeT!!!

you can do that, there's nothing wrong with doing that. The "ankle lock" is a bullshit white belt pain compliance trick that some guy once upon a time had his hooks too low and tapped out then told everyone it's a hard and fast rule to never do that

Anonymous at Sun, 12 May 2024 22:19:35 UTC No. 197432

>>197429
Superheavyweight yes

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 01:52:00 UTC No. 197448

>>197380
>the best martial art for self defense is the one who forgots about half of your body
it's not bad but you're overestimating it.

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 08:21:55 UTC No. 197472

>>197448
To be real there's a lot of times for example in jeans where knees and kicks aren't nearly that effective

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 09:36:56 UTC No. 197477

>>197362
MMA is better.

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 11:19:35 UTC No. 197479

>>197448
There's all these "zomg kickboxer beat boxer!!" But the opposite has also happened. Shannon Briggs kfto a kickboxer using only his hands. can really focus on developing fast and powerful punches when you only focus on your hands

I'll put my money on a boxer with 1 year experience over a grappler. Especially on the street

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 13:36:48 UTC No. 197485

>>197479
>boxer with 1 year experience over a grappler
Depends on skill/experience level.
If the grappler was also doing grappling for a year then I agree.
The problem with grappling is that it has very high skill floor (i.e a lot of skill is needed to utilize it effectively)
However I'd also argue that given sufficient time, grappling becomes more effective than striking at the same experience level
Not sure if my ramblings make any sense, so please refer to the picture, hopefully that's better

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 13:49:45 UTC No. 197487

>>197362
It’s the best grappling style for self defense.
> stands upright
> goal is to take down the opening without getting down too
> if on the ground, work fast to improve positing and go for a hold or a submission

Ad some boxing to enter the clinch safely and you have a solid system

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 13:54:46 UTC No. 197488

>>197479
>I’ll put my money on the bet that consistently loses when tested
lol, has modern ufc where everyone knows how to both strike and grapple made everyone forget about what mma was like 20 years again?

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 14:56:29 UTC No. 197499

>>197488
UFC isn't canon on /xs/.

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 15:16:45 UTC No. 197500

>>197362
All the legit styles are pretty good on their own even. It just depends on the situation

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 21:26:06 UTC No. 197530

>>197488
UFC was full of ex professional athletes. I'm talking mr hobbyist.

Anonymous at Mon, 13 May 2024 22:09:30 UTC No. 197536

>>197530
>nuh uh doesnt count because it doesn’t align with my worldview
Your opinion is based on fee fees not evidence

There’s also a lot of mma outside of the ufc btw

Anonymous at Sat, 18 May 2024 20:39:26 UTC No. 198181

>>197362
the single most important factor to winning an actual fight is cardio since 99% of people are going to be completely gassed after 30 seconds. if you can keep going for longer than that you've won regardless of style

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 00:43:57 UTC No. 198194

>>197362
Muay Thai.

I never really did Muay Thai specifically but after training in a whole bunch of different martial arts for many years I find that front kicks, clinches, knees and foot sweeps just end up being the safest and most effective techniques to pull off when you don't have padded mats and a ref to pause the first.

Round kicks don't control a fight, punches can break hands, elbows are hard to get the right distance for and grips are unreliable because clothing changes.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 03:19:10 UTC No. 198205

>>197362
No, that's boxing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o594yiPatDM
Sorry for the cancer music, but I couldn't find the original.

Anonymous at Sun, 19 May 2024 06:57:56 UTC No. 198215

Karate is best
I don't mean gay japanese or American karate, I mean the rough and tumble Okinawan kind

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 12:01:19 UTC No. 198493

Kudo/boxing for kiting and cheap shots vs retards + greco and being huge for actually decent opponents.

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 13:50:01 UTC No. 198496

It's funny how /xs/ trashes on judo despite the fact that it's one of the core elements of many if not most military H2H like Defendu, Krav Maga, Systema, etc. Even in WW2, US and British trainers taught judo ad part of the self-defense curriculum.

There is documented evidence for decades on how judo has constantly pitted itself and has a very respectable track record. The problem is that after 1945, the primary focus is the sport aspect rather than the martial application.

In my not-so-humble opinion, no martial art is complete. At the very LEAST, one should be able to throw murderous cut kicks to an opponent's thigh like a Nak Muay/Dutch Kickboxer/Kyokushin karateka, hip toss like a Judoka or Sambist, double underhook that any Greco-Roman wrestler can, know how to guard their chin and punch like a trained boxer, defend while on their back like a Jiu-Jitiero.

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 15:16:00 UTC No. 198509

>>198496
MMA is complete

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 15:46:33 UTC No. 198511

>>198509
Not him but MMA is competitional ruleset, not a martial art (at least not yet)

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 15:50:45 UTC No. 198512

>>198511
MMA is not a ruleset. The rules depend on the promotion, of which there are many. It's a martial art.

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 16:45:35 UTC No. 198516

>>198509
>>198511
>>198512
MMA lacks weapons like knives and sticks. It's a martial sport and a philosophy that pre-dated UFC 1and it finally popularized thanks to both the Japanese experimentation in 1986 with Shooto and the UFC in 1993.

There was even a proto-MMA tournament in 1974 called the World Series of Martial Arts where karateka, boxers, sumo wrestlers, etc. competed and 1 of the ways you could win was submission and it allowed ground techniques. Benny Urquidez uses grappling pins to gain points against his much heavier opponent.

If one combined MMA training along with gun practice, knife and stick fighting, you'd have the most complete approach to unarmed and armed combat.

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 17:33:52 UTC No. 198517

>>198512
MMA is no more a martial art than spring mix is a vegetable.

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 17:36:58 UTC No. 198518

>>198517
Not only is MMA a martial art, but it's provably better than all the others.

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 18:04:33 UTC No. 198520

>>198518
It definitely gives a well rounded base but it's not a silver bullet guarantee for success. It makes Jack of All Trades and Master of None so your 30% groundfighting may get overwhelmed by a superior submission grappler (provided your striking and clinch fighting doesn't help out). Or a well versed boxer or Nak Muay absolutely steamrolling a grappler whose getting neutralized by sprawl & brawl.

Styles do make fights but so does the skill set of the individual, terrain, luck, etc.

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 18:09:22 UTC No. 198521

>>198520
Cool theorycrafting but it doesn't pan out in practice, as has been demonstrated over decades of UFC, Pride, and every other promotion that has none or next to no limitations on what you can do during contests. Pure boxers, judokas, BJJ guys, sumoists, whatever, they all lose to the guy who trains MMA.

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 18:18:56 UTC No. 198523

>>198518
LMAO of course no, I saw amateurs MMA fighters alot, they get punched by proppely trained boxers and get their ass thrown by propperly trained wrestlers. Almost all professional MMA fighters started from specializing in some martial art and then were adding to their style something. It's veryy noob thinking - to make perfect martial art throw in hands from boxing, kicks from muay thay, stand up from wrestling, ground from BJJ - boom, now we have perfect martial art. But the thing is, there is no caoch who knows all this perfectly. You don't need this perfect MA that has everything (MMA), you need specailized martial arts that focuses on some thing. If learn as amateur adult once per week how to punch, once per week how to throw and once per week how to choke you will learn nothing

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 18:23:25 UTC No. 198524

>>198523
That's great and all but no MMA guy trains like that. They train the whole package. And no one has ever outdone them by doing the stupid shit you suggest.

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 21:07:11 UTC No. 198535

>>198524
>no MMA guy trains like that
You mean GSP didn't train kyokushin at first, then didn't trained freestyle wrestling separately with some wrestling team, then didn't train BJJ separately with Firas Zahabi and John Danaher? You mean Fedor wasn't in russian judo team and then didn't hire two boxing coaches? LMAO. Every MMA pro has training history exactly as I explained. There is no school of MMA as martial art.
>They train the whole package
Only when they peaking before competitions

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 22:36:43 UTC No. 198544

>>198535
adding to your list
>Werdum didn't go to Croatia and learned kickboxing with Crocop while Crocop learned jiu-jitsu with Werdum

Anonymous at Wed, 22 May 2024 22:46:12 UTC No. 198546

>>198521
Explain Alex Perieira.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 02:34:53 UTC No. 198554

>>198535
>Only when they peaking before competitions
In other words you agree with me, but still want to cry about some dumb bullshit. Kids don't have access to MMA classes, so they do karate, wrestling, judo, or whatever else they have access to, and then they move on to proper MMA when they actually have the chance because that's better than what they were doing before.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 07:46:34 UTC No. 198571

>>198518
Practicing multiple martial arts is not itself a martial art. It's arguably a good idea, but definitionally, you have a problem with your position.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 07:53:15 UTC No. 198572

>>198554
>Kids don't have access to MMA classes, so they do karate, wrestling, judo, or whatever else they have access to, and then they move on to proper MMA when they actually have the chance because that's better than what they were doing before.
Yeah 20 something kid GSP trained with Canadian freestyle wrestling team and studied proper BJJ with Renzo Gracie where he was getting belts because couldn't study the dangerous style of MMA
>>Only when they peaking before competitions
>In other words you agree with me
Are you retarded? If you do judo, you don't train boxing and then peaking by doing judo before judo competitions. If you do freestyle wrestling, you don't train greco roman wrestling and then peaking by actual freestyle wrestling training before competitions. If you do MMA you study proper specialized arts from specialized coaches and then before comps trying to put everything you've learned together.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 14:08:46 UTC No. 198589

>>198571
MMA is not multiple martial arts, just like kickboxing is not boxing + karate, it's just kickboxing.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 14:42:42 UTC No. 198594

>>197380
Boxer and judoka; they're the best for someone on a budget since they're dirt cheap compared to other schools and complement each other. I have footwork and know how to throw body punches as well as do foot sweeps and hip tosses in case I get into a scuffle.

I concede my weakness is getting kicked to the legs which I learned the hard way many moons ago when I stupidly fought that punk at a party. He was an amateur Muay Thai fighter and I had no idea just how crippling a shin kick to my thigh was gonna be. Luckily his chin wasn't good so I knocked him out cold but I was limping the next 2 days.

There is no best art. Everybody is different and has different body types. One approach can't fit everything. Even MMA requires an insane amount of time and dedication for you to be good at both striking and grappling in all it's facets. Most people don't have the time and resources to devote unless they're a pro.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 15:04:02 UTC No. 198600

>>198521
I've been an MMA fan since 1999 when I got Internet and downloaded all the UFC, PRIDE, Shooto and other MMA events. I love the sport but just because a guy has more tools like cross-training in MT, BJJ, etc. doesn't translate to success against a purist. It boils down to how good the fighter is and how they use everything to their advantage.

If their striking is mediocre at best, the pure striker will win. Hence, the MMA fighter will have to use their grappling and ground skills to negate that advantage. And vice-versa. There's very few MMA fighters that are going to max out stats in submission grappling, striking, clinching/dirty boxing, ground & pound, stand-up grappling. They'll definitely excel in certain areas that suit them while having passable acumen in others just to get by in competition.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 15:07:19 UTC No. 198601

>>198600
>I love the sport but just because a guy has more tools like cross-training in MT, BJJ, etc. doesn't translate to success against a purist.
It does. We've seen it over and over. Purists don't last a single round.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 15:13:21 UTC No. 198602

>>198601
In an MMA match? I agree because its rules and competitive format is what it's all about.

But in a self-defense situation, an A-level boxer or Dutch kickboxer can demolish an MMA guy if the latter's striking isn't up to par and they can't grab them to force them into the ground. A Mundial-level Jiu-Jitiero or NCAA-ranked collegiate wrestler has a good chance of slamming and/or submitting an MMA fighter with great hands, knees, elbows, kicks but inferior wrestling/groundfighting.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 15:16:34 UTC No. 198603

>>198602
>In an MMA match? I agree because its rules and competitive format is what it's all about.
This has always been a laughable cope. MMA promotions, even in the modern day, have always had the least amount of rules and restrictions on what you can do out of every martial art competition out there.

It is the closest thing a combat sport can get to a "self-defense situation."

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 15:24:44 UTC No. 198604

>>198603
>It is the closest thing a combat sport can get to a "self-defense situation."
The closest thing was Vale Tudo in Brazil; that shit was the Wild West of proto-MMA. There are accounts of a guy's eyeballs getting popped up from an elbow strike, rabbit punches on the back of the head, 12-6 elbows being spiked on the head and spine, knees to downed opponents. Modern MMA is still a sport; a very brutal one but there's still restraints.

I'm a former folkstyle wrestler and current boxer. I definitely have more advantages than a 1-dimensional fighter, but I'm not going to be dipshitted enough to automatically believe I'll automatically win.

I actually been in street fights and it's not safe at all. I learned that the hard way and have the scars to remember it when I'm in front of a mirror. How you train is how you react and it definitely gives you an edge, but in self-defense, you gotta play dirty. There are 2 invaluable things I learned: There are no rules and people are cowardly so they attack in groups.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 15:25:55 UTC No. 198605

>>198602
Boxers can't even stop hugging each other in their own sport, through what fucking magic is a boxer going to prevent an MMA guy from grabbing him?

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 15:31:48 UTC No. 198606

>>198605
A boxing clinch is a tactic to tie up an opponent and gain a bit of respite. Nobody's gonna fucking do that in a self-defense situation where the boxer doesn't want the other guy to get in close or even potentially bite their neck. I wouldn't even do the Muay clinch either. The boxer/kickboxer is going to keep the fight at a distance which is to their full advantage and obviously on their feet.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 15:35:21 UTC No. 198607

>>198606
>oooooh but what if I bite you???
Okay, you are just retarded.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 15:42:24 UTC No. 198609

>>198607
Real life is not a fucking sport you moron. Never assume the other guy is gonna fight fair.

Even Bruce Lee advocated that biting is instinctual when you have no choice. You don't plan on doing it unless your life depends on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii-MLjI5Fyc

And I'm not saying dirty tactics like eye gouges are going to negate a guy that has your back and about to put a choke. Gerard Gordeau eye-gouged Yuki Nakai (and this was in an MMA contest) but that still didn't prohibit the gutsy future founder of BJJ in Japan to eventually leglock that motherfucker.

You play in your comfort zone and don't let the other guy play in theirs. My brother in Christ, I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say here.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 16:37:30 UTC No. 198616

>>198605
>spotsmen MUST use sport tactics on the streets - boxers must hug, wrestlers must do roll overs from mat, judokas must fall on their stomachs, jitsers must fall on their backs

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 16:43:07 UTC No. 198617

>>198616
>a MMA guy can't grab a guy who does boxing because well um it's just impossible on da streets

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 16:52:38 UTC No. 198618

>>198617
Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth as Mike Tyson says.

If the MMA guy is smart, they keep their hands up with a tight guard while they launch Muay cut kicks to soften the boxer up. Chances are the boxer has no idea how to check a low kick and will be immobilized and then you can close the distance and get them on the ground to choke or joint-lock. But anything can happen in the streets.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 16:56:11 UTC No. 198619

>>198618
or as many early MMA fights show, they just walk up to the boxer and grab him

what the fuck is this retarded fiction writing session

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 16:57:51 UTC No. 198620

>>198619
Do you really think the boxer will not try to keep their distance and crack the guy in the jaw? This isn't pointless speculation, anything can happen in a life-or-death situation when people's adrenaline is up and they know they're in danger.

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 16:59:56 UTC No. 198621

>>198620
there are countless examples of things unfolding the way I described and yet you persist at this stupid nofight fantasy

but at least you're not talking about biting anymore lmao

Anonymous at Thu, 23 May 2024 17:03:08 UTC No. 198623

>>198621
For fuck's sake I sincerely hope you don't learn this the hard way if you think your grappling is something you should automatically do when confronted in the real world. Nobody in their right mind should delude themselves that their training in wrestling/BJJ or whatever is going to have them pull off a win without any serious injury or death to themselves.

I actually got into scuffles when growing up and it is not fun and I could've gotten hurt way worse than what had happened. And this was while I wrestled in high school btw.

Anonymous at Fri, 24 May 2024 07:26:26 UTC No. 198685

>>198617
Yes. MMA guy did one day of striking, one day of wrestling and one day of ground work. He can't punch properly and his takedowns are shittier than BJJ white belt takedowns. Amateur level is not where mixing styles gives you advantages

Anonymous at Fri, 24 May 2024 15:10:59 UTC No. 198714

>>198685
To be fair, the MMA guy spending years of training and gaining ring experience will have him reach above average levels so long as they're consistent.

Stats wise, a journeyman MMA would probably be at least rank 5 out of 10 in striking, sub grappling, stand-up grappling, neck-wrestling and clinching because they need to at least be competent in all those areas in the big leagues. They may not punch or kick as well as a Glory or Lumpini stadium fighter or have extensive guards like an ADCC or Mundial competitor, but they have the other areas to help out and they're trained how to put it together cohesively.

Anonymous at Fri, 24 May 2024 15:16:02 UTC No. 198715

>>198714
But how?

Anonymous at Fri, 24 May 2024 15:26:17 UTC No. 198718

>>198715
What do you mean how? By constantly training and testing themselves out in the cage/ring. You only develop if you keep training every week and apply it.

Yeah in the beginning they're not going to be good at all. But after a couple of years of say 30 hours weekly training, they'll at least be able to know how to properly throw a punch, tuck their chin, be in closed guard and sweep, throw and check low kicks, how to defend from ground and pound, do dirty boxing with knees in clinch range.

Anonymous at Mon, 27 May 2024 04:09:11 UTC No. 198979

>>198496
>mad about internet people shitting on judo
>talks about how judo is part of Krav maga and systema
>expects anyone to respect Judo more?
kek
Krav Maga and systema are memes, gay, and Krav basically isn't even a martial art. It's more like a loose collection of basic, common sense ideas. "If a guy grabs you, grab his balls and punch him in the neck. If you have a gun, shoot him. "

Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 02:09:49 UTC No. 199174

>>198589
>MMA is not multiple martial arts
Kickboxing is a distinct martial art. It is a style unto itself which includes kicks and punches, named Kickboxing to distinguish itself from hands-only Boxing. There wasn't a style called Kick that people practiced independently until they merged its practice with Boxing, and so it is itself a distinct martial art.
The entire premise of MMA is that everyone is practicing multiple styles of martial arts simultaneously, and you're the only person pretending otherwise.
Every discussion surrounding MMA has to do with the degrees of success fighters obtain using different styles like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (a distinct martial art) or Muay Thai (another distinct martial art), or even Kickboxing (a third distinct martial art).
There is no distinct martial arts style called Mixed Martial Arts. MMA exists at the intersection of other named arts practiced simultaneously, and nowhere else.
By definition, you are wrong.

Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 09:53:28 UTC No. 199211

>>199174
>The entire premise of MMA is that everyone is practicing multiple styles of martial arts simultaneously
Kickboxing is the same way, it's just a way to practice multiple styles simultaneously (karate + boxing), therefore by your imbecilic logic it's not a real martial art.

Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:07:25 UTC No. 199215

>>199211
>Kickboxing is the same way, it's just a way to practice multiple styles simultaneously (karate + boxing)
Not him, but maybe it was so when kickboxing just appeared (still not sure because there were MAs that combined kicks and punches) but it is clearly a separate martial art now - your coach will teach you everything you need for competing from scratch. If you do MMA you need to travel somewhere to learn proper wrestling, then travel somwhere to learn proper BJJ etc (substitute "travel somewhere" with "hire specialized coach" if you want).

Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 10:10:12 UTC No. 199216

>>199215
>Not him, but maybe it was so when kickboxing just appeared (still not sure because there were MAs that combined kicks and punches) but it is clearly a separate martial art now
Then so is MMA.
>If you do MMA you need to travel somewhere to learn proper wrestling, then travel somwhere to learn proper BJJ etc (substitute "travel somewhere" with "hire specialized coach" if you want).
Maybe if you are living in the 90s.

By now it's evident that you're completely clueless on the subject so it's no surprise you have these utterly retarded opinions.

Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 11:45:16 UTC No. 199222

>>199216
>Then so is MMA.
No, as already was shown - for MMA you need to study separate martial arts from specialized coaches, like Petr Yan whose base is some striking MA and who travels to Dagestan all the time to train with russian wrestling team, and there is more such examples. But you just go in full denial without any arguments.

Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 11:49:39 UTC No. 199224

>>199222
I refuted your """arguments""" using your own retarded logic and all you can do is stomp your feet and cry.

Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 12:58:26 UTC No. 199227

>>199224
If you used retarded logic then you can't refute any arguments. If these are not real arguments then you can use non retarded logic to show why they are not real arguments. You didn't do any of that

Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:02:22 UTC No. 199228

>>199227
>you have to make my own argument for me or it doesn't count!
You're too stupid to be having this conversation.

Anonymous at Wed, 29 May 2024 13:18:55 UTC No. 199231

>>199228
>me: if my arguments are bad you can simply show why they are bad
>you: your arguments are bad and I used bad logic to show why they are bad
Again, what are these great arguments you used to show GSP did not train wrestling with Canadian wrestling team and Petr Yan did not train wrestling with Dagestan wrestling team? Were these arguments somehow produced by """my""" """retarded logic""""?

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 11:23:35 UTC No. 204714

>>197362
Sure

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 21:46:32 UTC No. 204730

Boxing is probably the best. High standard overall and it's the only martial art were I have heard about a guy taking down multiple (untrained) opponents in a fight.

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 21:55:33 UTC No. 204731

>>204730
Whenever you see those situations of a man with hands of stone It's always against guys that are wasted. it isn't boxing its that they can't even see straight and already moments away from a stiff breeze knocking them over

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 22:41:41 UTC No. 204737

>>204731
I don't have any stats to back this up that I wager that most street fights are between/involve drunk people.

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:00:42 UTC No. 205304

>>197448
>no striking
>no grappling
What the fuck is he referring to? Golf?

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 17:49:05 UTC No. 205698

>>205304
Probably boxing.

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 18:42:03 UTC No. 205703

>>198194
>Muay Thai.
It's very hard on body, especially how they train it the real world. It's only suited for prime men starting in 15-25 years old age.

Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 18:46:56 UTC No. 205704

>>198496
Mind you modern military who really train hand to hand combat (recon and commandos) train it for althe very specific mission: taking POWs. You don't punch hard people who you want to take as prisoners alive, you don't hit them with butt of the rifle, you don't stab them with the bayonets. You hold them into submission and wrap around with ropes. That's obviously judo territory.
Any other applications of martial arts in military is the pointless masturbation. You just shot bad guys.

Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 15:05:51 UTC No. 205838

>>198496
>defendu
>krav maga
>systema

Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 16:03:22 UTC No. 205841

>>199215
>>199222
NTA but here is my useless opinion based of actual mixed martial artists: the combination of striking and grappling and all those skills which go into MMA is more than the sum of its parts. You can learn grappling seperately and striking seperately, and if you were to get into a fight where you can combine those skills, you would likely have some success, but within the competative environment of MMA, you need to be better. Because the combination of those things is in itself a skill. If you allow grappling, it would influence your striking and vice versa. There would be things you can no longer do because of the risk of attacks those styles trained seperately do not have to worry about. You are very close to getting this in admitting kickboxing may at one point have been two arts just combined, but now is a legitimate art of its own. Why do you think this won't happen in MMA? You keep refering to rather old example of elite mixed martial artists, but at this isn't the 90s anymore. There are no guys going into the octagon representing one style. Everyone, including those who come from one particular style, is still doing MMA, not just a combination of arts. As time progresses, and MMA becomes more and more popular, we are going to see more and higher quality MMA gyms popping up, and these will be able to teach MMA better than anyone can training seperate arts simultaneously.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:49:56 UTC No. 205907

>>197472
It is somewhat deceitful that we all discuss "self-defense" martial arts which we usually train barefoot in loose exercise clothing, a state we're never in outside of the dojo. A strength of boxing is that your legs don't have to be that free for it to work and it just relies on your arms which are usually free enough even in normal clothing. You also never have to risk balancing on one leg for any length of time.

Sure it leaves you vulnerable to leg kicks but how often do you see leg kicks in street fight videos? Leg kicks are a long-term strategy that's good for the octagon where you can reasonably expect a long fight, but street fights are panicky affairs with most people going all-in on every single swing from the first to the last.

Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 06:18:13 UTC No. 206601

>>197362
Boxing, Muay Thai and No-Gi Judo all have an argument for them.

Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 06:37:41 UTC No. 206602

>>197362
Nobody in this thread has ever been in a street fight and even if they were they would just run away and call the cops, so I wouldn't worry about it.