Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 04:00:03 UTC No. 204615

>>204614
Sort of both. A lot of it has its origins in choy le fut for striking and shaui jiao for the takedowns, but you’d have to be retarded to think modern kickboxing styles like Muay Thai aren’t a factor in its development. Hell, the big haymaker style punches that are staple of choy le fut aren’t even used despite it supposedly being a foundational art for modern sanda striking.

Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 04:53:05 UTC No. 204617

>>204615
Hmm I guess that makes sense. Basically every modern martial art takes its punches from Western boxing.

Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 05:00:23 UTC No. 204618

>>204615
My nigga muay thai is many centuries old and Siam always got along with China, being to the south you know them niggas cross pollinated with Kung fu

That's why it's so weird, people talk about muay thai like it's not just karate from a different country
They all came from the same place

Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 08:31:58 UTC No. 204623

>>204618
das rite muay thai come from china

Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 14:40:59 UTC No. 204635

>>204614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDOkPNzKGBg
>In this interview translation and analysis, we have one of the first Sanda fighters and the first Sanda National Team head coach talk about the founding of Sanda and some of its intricacies and initial challenges. This interview is mindblowing because it sheds some light on the influences of Sanda and how much kungfu influence there actually is in Sanda. We have one of the first Sanda fighters talking so candidly. The guy's name according to the video is Qian Ren Biao.
This video is interesting.

Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 14:42:06 UTC No. 204636

>>204635

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 00:19:30 UTC No. 204692

>>204618
>we wuz thais n sheet

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 07:40:32 UTC No. 204708

>>204635
>>204636
TLDR: Boxings for hands, Asian martial arts for kicks, takedowns from Shuai jiao

I really wish Sanda allowed elbows so we can more Bajiquan influence.

Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 01:38:20 UTC No. 204746

>>204615
>choy li fut
you post this horseshit every time Sanda gets mentioned. It will never be true.
>>204636
It's funny how he says "even muay thai" like Sanda wasn't created directly as a response to MT and uses it as a base.
>>204708
Bajiquan is a fucking meme. I wish all you kungfu shitters would rope yourself already

Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:49:26 UTC No. 204860

>>204618
Muay Thai was created from boxing and the few useful parts of Muay Boran.

Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 12:27:18 UTC No. 206972

>>204746
Bajiquan is not a meme

Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 15:56:04 UTC No. 207000

>>204614
Kickboxing for C-listers who aren't good enough for K-1 or MT rules.

Anonymous at Sat, 10 Aug 2024 20:59:26 UTC No. 207314

>>206972
Lol. Lmao even

Anonymous at Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:29:34 UTC No. 212168

>>204746
Baji is currently a meme but it's the only kung fu-looking CMA with any legit potential

Iirc there's some efforts to make it work in MMA atm but with mixed success so far

It has nice-looking takedowns so I do hope someone evolves it into something useful though

Anonymous at Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:00:21 UTC No. 212351

>>212168
Anon I know all about Baji, there is nothing special or even useful there it's just the lastest TCM to become an internet meme for people that dont know better. Like a lot of the tcm you see where they are actually trying to spar they are doing Sanda and claiming that as the "true application" of their style, maybe with a meme move or two thrown to give it some idiosyncracy (and doesn't ever work that well, if at all). In China it's universally considered common knowledge that Sanda is for fighting and the "xyz style" is for display. Only foreigners keep falling for this grift.

Anonymous at Tue, 1 Oct 2024 22:07:52 UTC No. 212438

>>204615
Probably this. Both in the early 1900's china martial arts to a big degree was getting dominated by fighters from Europe, Russia and Japan. The old styles had to adapt a lot more than what we generally think. Any Chinese fighter/ teacher that was worth their name had to improve their system if they seriously wanted a style that could hold up to the outside influences

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 13:40:39 UTC No. 213743

>>204614
Chinese army sort of boiled down what worked in CMA and borrowed heavily from other styles that worked

So it is CMA technically but it's not quite "kung fu that works" but more like "kickboxing with Chinese characteristics"

If you watch Fight Commentary Breakdowns, the closest kung fu style to being workable is probably bajiquan, to the point that some guys are attempting to pressure test it in MMA (with pretty mixed success so far but its a start)

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 13:46:09 UTC No. 213744

>>206972
NTA

It is a meme but it has the potential to not be

>karate vs bajiquan (baji does well)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj0mKlotVr4

>bajiquan vs mma (experiment by MMA guy to incorporoate baji into mma)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUH43dOre6M

>same mma/bajiquan guy vs karate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQwyfWDbZPk

>bajiquan vs kickboxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c_ai74479A

Like it's not great but it has potential - the takedowns in particular are pretty flashy, I could see it being entertaining to watch

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 13:54:01 UTC No. 213746

1950s(?)
>Vale tudo ongoing in Brazil
>Brazilians figure out what MAs work and what don't

1980s
>japan well underway with experimenting with mixed rulesets
>shooto created, what works in JMA becomes clear
>this is confirmed in the 90s with the advent of K1, sabaki challenge etc (inb4 sabaki is US-based, it's still karate)

1990s
>UFC created
>West starts to figure out what actually works
>collapse of TMA begins in earnest

2010s
>MMA not that big in China
>CMA relatively unaffected by this enormous shift
>An MMA hobbyist in his late 30s challenges kung fu grand masters to fight
>Heems every one of them on camera in like 1 min, guys looked like they'd never been hit in their lives
>Implosion of CMA and transition to what werx begins in China at last

This is how it appears from the outside, but if a Chinese anon has more context then feel free to correct

Like it seems like the UFC-equivalent event was Xu Xiaodong heeming kung fu guys on camera but I wonder if the collapse had started before that

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 15:52:57 UTC No. 213756

>>213744
Just loling at these videos man

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 22:38:03 UTC No. 213847

>>204623
Technically it did because the Thai people themselves came from China. Chinese and Thai share a common ethno-linguistic heritage.

If you want to see what the actual original inhabitants of SEA look like then you need to look at Cambodian and Indonesian people. Thai, Laotian, Vietnamese and most Burmese are all Sino-Tibetan invaders.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 05:32:55 UTC No. 213877

>>207000
>>207000
>Kickboxing for C-listers who aren't good enough for K-1
K-1 is kickboxing, you fucking moron.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 07:08:53 UTC No. 213880

>>213877
>reading comprehension

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 10:52:11 UTC No. 213884

>>207000
>MT rules
All the thais who want to actually make money do kickboxing.