Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:18:21 UTC No. 1009621

>>1009616
Yes. The main thing you learn from online tutorials is the technical side. Plenty of people are self taught though, but a good online animation school like animation mentor will push your skills years forwards, compared to someone who is just figuring things out on their own. Feedback and back & forth with colleagues, or in this case industry level teachers, is extremely valuable. You get a taste of what it is like to work an actual animation job, working under a director, and something that could be called proper experience, instead of just trying to criticise your own work, or maybe getting some relatively useless comments from amateurs and dunning-kruger idiots on some art forums.

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:29:00 UTC No. 1009647

>>1009616
Wtf is that facial expression, looks retarded to me

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:03:06 UTC No. 1009656

>>1009621
Why is it so expensive though? I'm a leaf, and the cost for a course is similar to what I spent on a whole uni semester. Is this just how it works in burgerland?

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:14:07 UTC No. 1009658

>>1009656
Those dudes buying 1000$+ courses are insane. I personally just finished 11$ course ( my WIPs for this course in WIP thread: >>1009655 ) which has 12h of videomaterial a lot of which I rewatched twice and spent probably 30+h doing tasks from videos. It's a beginner tier course and I knew maybe 80% of theory, but those 20% were really damn valuable and I'm gonna do a lot of common things much faster now. Also a lot of insights regarding which things are more important and which are less, and how certain choices influence result a lot.

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 18:05:35 UTC No. 1009663

>>1009616
The answer is yes,
'Will it be worth it though?' Is the real question, and the answer is: who knows? (probably not)
It's a gamble at the end of the day, especially during the times we're currently in.

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 18:38:04 UTC No. 1009667

>>1009658
Do those teach you fundamental skills though? My biggest problem with online courses is that all of them seem to be "Here's X. I will show a step-by-step process of how to make X. The End."

I don't see them go into anatomy or things like that, so the course is less "How to make humans" and more how to make this exact thing.

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 18:58:09 UTC No. 1009671

>>1009658
>>1009667
>>1009656
Of course a video course is cheap. The things that cost so much in those 1000$+ courses is personal comments from industry veterans, giving you personalized criticism and suggestions fit for your level and needs. They are teaching you, not selling a pre-recorded video pack. And since the teachers are industry veterans, if you do well, you might grab some much needed connections to the industry as well, which is the best way to land a job. Obviously depends on the course, so it's good to ask around. I've heard nothing but good things about animation mentor from colleagues, but I don't have personal experience with it, so can't be 100% certain of its quality of course.

Although good to point out that I'm talking from an animation viewpoint specifically.

>>1009663
This is also true, it might end up being a waste of money, not because it won't help you improve faster, but because regardless of skill, you might have trouble landing a job with how things currently are.

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:37:56 UTC No. 1009693

>>1009671
any other good ones
animation mentor courses are $2500 each wtf

Anonymous at Wed, 19 Mar 2025 23:52:01 UTC No. 1009702

>>1009693
It is considered to be the best one as far as animation goes. But yes, it is also the most expensive one. Unfortunately I don't know anyone who has done courses in animschool or other online schools, so I have no idea how viable they are.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 03:29:28 UTC No. 1009713

>>1009693
Take lessons with Alessandro Camporota, he worked on the more complex scenes from Hotel Transilvania for Sony, among others. Bet you will learn much faster and it won't cost you an arm and a leg for each one like AM, besides he graduated on AM around 2009, so not only he'll teach you the same, but even some extra stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/@acamporota

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 04:42:46 UTC No. 1009714

>>1009616
So this is how you make money with 3dcg in 2025.

Anonymous at Thu, 20 Mar 2025 22:27:32 UTC No. 1009795

>>1009714
what happens when no one goes to animation school anymore since everyone knows there's no jobs in it

Anonymous at Fri, 21 Mar 2025 11:03:02 UTC No. 1009831

>>1009795
thats the neet part rn, they don't

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 10:12:55 UTC No. 1009949

they teach you better because you can ask an industry senior for feedback and he will push you to do it better if you like it or not. the problem with online courses is that there is no one supervising your work.

btw I hate animation schools because they shit out people who all animate in the same way. there is no invention in animation anymore, it's all the same disney style slop.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 10:54:28 UTC No. 1009951

>>1009949
> it's all the same disney style slop.
Lol I hate this too, the same emotions and expressions used everywhere. Very similar to modern high budget movies where in terms of presentation you see the same cliche tricks used over and over again.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 15:52:50 UTC No. 1009966

>>1009621
>push your skills years forwards
I hear this all the time and the only thing it does is make you skip the "figuring it out" step, crippling your abilities to use the software years down the road because you know the how but not the why

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 15:56:44 UTC No. 1009967

im enrolled at one of these schools and i've already made great connections with my teachers who are currently-employed industry professionals. i value the community aspect because I have a hard time keeping myself accountable to do my own work. My skills are definitely leveling up by knowing what to worry about/spend time focusing on/know what to hone. Also, all the pieces you make in the classes are really good for your reel/portfolio

I understand if you cant afford it tho, teachers gotta get paid too

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 16:07:26 UTC No. 1009968

>>1009967
Shut up AI paid bot, no one writes like this. I had a college teacher who has connections to Disney and he doesn’t use it. The entire point of connections is build on relationships, not business style nonsense.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 16:09:20 UTC No. 1009969

>>1009968
????
every killer job ive gotten is from knowing someone who could vouch for my productivity and worth ethic. i've spent hours and hours on zoom with these instructors and I'm positive I can get a job when it's time.

hope u get cancer, dbag

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 20:48:55 UTC No. 1009978

>>1009616
>>jobs
this is a hobby right? you're not trying to get a job right?
you want to be poor? ok go ahead

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 21:30:38 UTC No. 1009979

>>1009966
Learning software is easy, you don't need someone to teach you that, video tutorials are sufficient. Having someone to guide you in becoming a decent animator/painter etc. however, saves you years of grinding, in a way that online tutorials and just working on it alone could never do, unless you're some sort of a genius. You still of course need to put in the work, you're not magically going to become great even with the best mentor. But having an amazing teacher, gives you the best chance of actually becoming more than decent.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 21:50:34 UTC No. 1009982

>>1009969
No one uses Zoom either, did you really forget how they steal corporate secrets and sell them to the public. Only people in corporate would use Guest Link Teams to communicate through Teams. It’s stupid to waste money on Zoom when people have pre existing programs in their computer by another highly respected company.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 21:54:13 UTC No. 1009983

>>1009979
I'm not talking about software. Getting spoonfed will never make you internalize something as well as finding out yourself. The best 3D artists and animators I know are all self taught, no exceptions.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 22:49:50 UTC No. 1009984

>>1009983
What are you talking about? Teachers don't spoonfeed you, they help guide you to understanding, unless they're very crappy teachers. Anyway, I have the opposite experience, all the colleagues I know who have been self taught, have been the worst animators in our teams, others needing to fix their scenes to make them presentable enough, while the ones who went to AM were by far the best, and were the ones who were forced to wade through their messy graphs, because they've never worked in a team before. Being self taught teaches bad habits, that you could avoid by listening to people who already figured things out a decade before you.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 23:05:51 UTC No. 1009985

>>1009984
>all the colleagues I know who have been self taught, have been the worst animators in our teams
is your team consisting entirely of juniors? The problems with "schooled" people arise 7+ years in when it becomes obivousthat they're decent workers in a fixed pipeline but completely unable to improve or change the pipeline itself.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 23:08:55 UTC No. 1009986

>>1009984
This is how we know you making shit up. Teams are always a problem in all areas of life. The ones I worked with never understood rigging or simulation. I’m the one who had to take the entire models into production so we can animate them. One team in our group was the artist who can draw the materials and i had to teach her how UV editing works to reduce workload. One was better at voice than all of us so he learned how to use DAW to mod his voice for each character. The rest were great at the modeling and animation stages so they were in big role. All of use had responsibility in a team for our strengths. Not everyone can do one job and expect it to pass class exam.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 23:19:02 UTC No. 1009987

>>1009985
Of course once you're a senior, it doesn't really matter what your method of learning was prior to your first job. After all, real work experience is the best teacher, and the back & forth you do between colleagues is incredibly valuable. I made my biggest strides during my internship for example. A good school provides you access to this before you're in the industry, through teachers and other students in place of colleagues/your seniors, something like that is essentially impossible to get while you're just grinding by yourself.

As for stagnation later down the line, that has nothing to do with being self taught, and everything to do with character, and work ethics. I guess you could argue that getting self taught requires more patience and willpower to push through, since it is the harder path (but in no way a better one), so in a way, it is more likely that someone who is willing to go through the process, will have good work ethics. But obviously that same person would be in an even better position, if they had opted for a mentor.

Anonymous at Sun, 23 Mar 2025 23:21:22 UTC No. 1009988

>>1009986
Good for you, none of this has anything to do with the topic at hand. I bet this is the fucking chinese worm anon again.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Mar 2025 00:19:25 UTC No. 1009990

>>1009616
I do VFX for animated shows. I am part of the Animation guild. Roughly 85% of our membership is currently out of work. Some have been out of work for over 2 years. Many have moved on while others are tearing through the last of their savings praying a new show will come along and pick them up.

It is an absolute bloodbath in Hollywood right now.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Mar 2025 00:59:59 UTC No. 1009992

>>1009987
Now we know you’re making shit up. internship in jobs don’t exist anymore like in newspaper articles. Schools stop making it a requirement after business abuses the system and sold students work. What you told us is not an internship role that business followed.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Mar 2025 01:29:42 UTC No. 1009993

>>1009992
My internship was over 10 years ago, so things might have changed a bit, but I call bullshit. It's definitely still a requirement for a degree where I live at least.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Mar 2025 11:26:16 UTC No. 1010009

>>1009993
Don’t lie to me i was there during the STEM and Common Core changes. The class of 2014 the final traditional studies. No collage was offering a direct way to jobs after the ITT tech lawsuit. What you are saying is the exact wording of ITT tech scam. Arts in jobs are never easy to find, internships for the arts is never easy to find. That’s why it’s not a requirement because these jobs are either too far from school or don’t meet the intern requirements for the school.

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Mar 2025 17:41:03 UTC No. 1010037

>>1009949

I've never understood what this means. The schools teach the 12 principles, and how much you exaggerate those principles determines how realistic or cartoony a shot looks. What exactly does animating a different way look like? If you don't do these things your animation looks wrong. Shit like early south park or whatever got away with just having janky peices of cardboard bouncing around but the animation was never the point and there is no need to be instructed in how to do that sort of thing in the first place. And nobody will ever pay you to do it unless you have the perfect combination of luck, timing, connections and jewishness. The only thing I can imagine people really mean when they say stuff like this is that they prefer hand drawn

Anonymous at Mon, 24 Mar 2025 18:04:53 UTC No. 1010040

>>1010037
While I agree with your overall message, I wouldn't shit on animators working on projects like south park, those projects have insane schedules, and you still need to be a good animator to be able to produce acceptable results in the extremely limited time you're allowed. Not just anyone can do it.

Anonymous at Tue, 25 Mar 2025 15:34:57 UTC No. 1010074

>>1009990
is this just for animators or the entire pipeline?
im sure the pendulum will swing back in 2-3 years once everyone gets sick of jeet-tier animation