🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:33:28 UTC No. 15878082
Debris hunting in the Puerto Rican Trench Edition.
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:35:06 UTC No. 15878088
Previous: >>15874829
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:42:54 UTC No. 15878116
Will we encounter aliens before 3000?
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:49:58 UTC No. 15878143
>>15878113
Newer ship builds already look like they have much better tile attachment, do you think they fired the mehicans?
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:51:36 UTC No. 15878147
>>15878116
Will your mom encounter my dick before dinnertime?
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:52:03 UTC No. 15878148
>>15878143
They lost tiles specifically only where they were glued instead of pinned
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:53:39 UTC No. 15878153
We need a flexible tile
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:54:30 UTC No. 15878155
we need to replace 80IQ mexicans with Optimus
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:54:47 UTC No. 15878156
>>15878116
>MUH ALIUMS, MUH SCIFI MOVIE!!1!!
oh grow the fuck up, youlittle bitch.
I wish i could skin you and put it on the ync
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:58:51 UTC No. 15878165
>>15878148
Gluefags btfo
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:00:21 UTC No. 15878167
>>15878159
You would be vaporized
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:01:06 UTC No. 15878170
>>15878148
its the exact opposite. the glued tiles stayed on while the pinned tiles pinged off, pardon the pun!
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:02:29 UTC No. 15878175
>>15878170
Pinfags btfo
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:03:55 UTC No. 15878178
>>15878159
And die?
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:06:16 UTC No. 15878183
>>15878179 Seconding this to remind myself this is a good idea for later
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:11:02 UTC No. 15878189
>>15878183
I did this ages ago lol
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:11:09 UTC No. 15878190
>>15878038
The failure there was not ditching Russian engines sooner.
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:14:08 UTC No. 15878195
>>15878116
There is no other intelligent life in the galaxy. We are the precursor race
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:14:39 UTC No. 15878197
>>15878189
Sure, but now we could upgrade it to the real deal.
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:15:25 UTC No. 15878200
>>15878170
I knew it
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:16:31 UTC No. 15878202
>>15878148
I fucking knew it
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:17:21 UTC No. 15878203
>>15878197
Yeah this was back when the engines were still green, and before they actualy fired it
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:17:55 UTC No. 15878204
>>15878200
Gluefags, how do we keep winning?
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:18:07 UTC No. 15878206
>>15878203
they arent green anymore?
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:19:46 UTC No. 15878207
>>15878203
I’m thinking of editing your version and adding that irl image of all booster engines firing from the side, making derp spy’s pupils constrict and adding speedlines in the BG.
But that will have to come tomorrow
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:20:48 UTC No. 15878210
>>15878202
Pinfags, how do we keep winning?
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:21:43 UTC No. 15878211
https://youtu.be/hn5IGPpKa_s
This is huge
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:23:21 UTC No. 15878217
>>15878211
Jeez anon, no need to be so mean, that’s a woman
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:23:47 UTC No. 15878218
>>15878211
>8 years ago
lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:24:00 UTC No. 15878219
>>15878217
dont talk to me
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:24:03 UTC No. 15878220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTc
This was huge
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:26:22 UTC No. 15878224
>>15878195
*universe
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:26:57 UTC No. 15878225
>>15878211
they could launch in 2019
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:29:23 UTC No. 15878227
>>15878219
Talktalktalktalk
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:31:22 UTC No. 15878231
>>15878147
No chance. Your dick will never encounter anyone else.
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:33:26 UTC No. 15878233
>>15878167
>you will never be massaged by the rythmic shockwaves of 33 raptor engines
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:36:00 UTC No. 15878241
>>15878233
It's never been more over....
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:36:06 UTC No. 15878242
>>15878159
the OLM looks toasty
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:39:45 UTC No. 15878248
>>15878242
Probably related to the glowing debris that shot over the pad cams
https://youtu.be/Iv5AMNYGql4?t=107
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:40:41 UTC No. 15878250
>>15878242
No that's the reflection of the sun
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:42:30 UTC No. 15878251
>>15878250
The sun is on the horizon towards the top of the image
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:43:40 UTC No. 15878254
>>15878251
Indeed
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:45:25 UTC No. 15878255
>>15878242
I doubt it. The thrust plume is pretty uniform up to almost to 400 meters and the tower is nowhere close to that height. This means during take off, even with the volume of heat and energy coming from the bottom of the booster, the time spent over the OLM is insufficient to cause that much heat to be transferred to the point of causing visible glow. More importantly, this glow is highly irregular--which is inconsistent with the tubular nature of the thrust flow. You would expect the entire section to glow, not a tiny sliver.
So Occam's Razor says its more than likely this: >>15878250
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:46:51 UTC No. 15878259
No one and I mean NO ONE can explain the flaming molten metal that was flung directly at the remote cams. Convenient silence.
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:48:18 UTC No. 15878261
>>15878259
Beetle egg clutches
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:48:33 UTC No. 15878262
https://twitter.com/Firefly_Space/s
> Congrats to our Elytra team on another milestone! We recently completed structural environmental testing on the qualification model. This test validates the spacecraft, with @xtenti's FANTM-RiDE mass simulator attached, can handle the loads experienced during launch. Stay tuned for more insights as we prepare for our first on-orbit Elytra mission:
https://fireflyspace.com/missions/e
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:49:34 UTC No. 15878263
>>15878259
It can be explained by any other debris that may have been lying about around the launch area that got heated and kicked up. There's no guarantee that it came from the OLM and it's a big reach to assume it did.
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:49:37 UTC No. 15878264
>>15878259
Those were molten plovers
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:49:57 UTC No. 15878266
>>15878259
I left a beer can there and hoped nobody would notice before flight. I'm sorry.
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:49:57 UTC No. 15878267
>>15878259
as you can see, the OLM ablated on top >>15878242
and the lava came from that
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:50:10 UTC No. 15878268
>>15878259
It's a mystery. Probably just appeared there randomly, God does that sometimes.
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:51:51 UTC No. 15878271
>>15878259
I've been feeling a bit sleepy lately. Gonna call it a night. We'll pick back on this tomorrow probably. Time for sleep! zzzzzzzzz
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:52:07 UTC No. 15878272
>>15878259
probably some trash that an employee forgot somewhere near the launchpad or tower
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:52:55 UTC No. 15878274
>>15878271
Are you fucking serious?
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:53:21 UTC No. 15878276
>>15878195
Life evolved almost immediately after the Earth cooled enough and stopped being bombarded enough for something to live on it. There were surely countless examples of the same thing when the first Earth-like planets formed about 10 billion years ago.
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:54:15 UTC No. 15878281
>>15878276
No
Anonymous at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:56:15 UTC No. 15878283
>>15878281
yes
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:02:25 UTC No. 15878291
>>15878250
>>15878255
you two need to go outside more
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:03:33 UTC No. 15878293
>>15878288
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:06:00 UTC No. 15878302
>>15878253
I don’t like isogrid. Even when it’s made of glue. should have used hot glue sheets and welded on ribs.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:06:45 UTC No. 15878303
>>15878291
never
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:25:17 UTC No. 15878320
>>15878293
what are these faggots doing?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:44:25 UTC No. 15878343
>>15878320
Sitting in a simulator. That's a lot of open collar and exposed neck for a launch.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 01:02:53 UTC No. 15878368
>>15878320
uhh guys?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 01:08:44 UTC No. 15878375
>>15878368
Isn't it a bit early for that? She burned up in February not November.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 01:11:10 UTC No. 15878378
>>15878368
Colombia != Columbia
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 01:25:32 UTC No. 15878397
>>15878375
I thought the reaction of the flight director was funny.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 01:50:53 UTC No. 15878430
raptor is too complicated. even if it works reliably it's too complex to easily inspect and refurbish. they should have made a methalox version of merlin and SS would already be flying. but instead elons autism lead them to develope a full flow staged combustion engine for no reason.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 01:58:22 UTC No. 15878437
>>15878430
I was fairly impressed with the initial light and re-light performance on super heavy. It's robust.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:05:34 UTC No. 15878444
>>15878430
Bait post is bait
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:11:06 UTC No. 15878448
>>15878444
checked
even if SpaceX has a statistically relevant higher number of deaths/injuries compared to other aerospace companies, I would say that SpaceX's products are worth the price paid in blood.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:11:39 UTC No. 15878451
>>15878446
is he talking about raptor 3 or some next gen yet again (v4?)
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:19:40 UTC No. 15878460
>>15878082
Hey stupid faggot OP. How about you remember to do previous correctly or dont do OPs at all. Mindless mongrel tourists should not be baking.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:23:07 UTC No. 15878464
>>15878460
this
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:25:36 UTC No. 15878467
>>15878261
There is no way that repeatedly torching concrete and steel doesn't result in catastrophic failure.
Highway sections have collapsed over a truck fire on top. Many such cases.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:28:44 UTC No. 15878470
>>15878467
Carve a new permanent OLM from a solid cube of granite.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:32:15 UTC No. 15878476
>>15878467
Highway probably would have been alright if they were pumping thousands of litres of water a second through it.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:32:16 UTC No. 15878477
>>15878460
imma do the op wrong next time just for u bb
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:43:14 UTC No. 15878494
so now that dust has settled and starships second test was a massive failure, do you think NASA will cancel their HLS contracts with spacex?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:44:27 UTC No. 15878495
>>15878490
why even call it raptor at this point
its so different from the first gen raptors
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:47:40 UTC No. 15878497
>>15878291
I am outside though.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:49:37 UTC No. 15878499
>>15878451
Gen3, yeah. I'm sure they're already thinking of Gen4 with new material alloys and what not too--as shrinking the engine down to say around Merlin-1D's size would be like the holy grail for engine thrust/size/volume. It's likely impossible with current tech, but may not be an issue by 2030.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:50:29 UTC No. 15878500
>>15878458
the new engine will be called The Question
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:50:59 UTC No. 15878501
>>15878494
And go with who? Boeing? Their capsule hasn't reached orbit yet. Blue Origin? They haven't launched a gram of useful payload to orbit yet.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:51:21 UTC No. 15878502
>>15878495
they considered it at some point >>15878458
but I guess its still in the air
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:52:22 UTC No. 15878504
>>15878499
whats the limiting factor it being impossible now?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:53:54 UTC No. 15878506
>>15878494
Yeah
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:59:07 UTC No. 15878513
>new air force yet can supposedly destroy electronics from hundreds of miles away using only electronic warfare/jamming
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo
space force soon bros. x-37b flying around and zapping enemy satellites, creating zero debris.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:09:36 UTC No. 15878533
>>15878495
Merlin is the same way.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:10:41 UTC No. 15878535
>>15878513
Don't forget the nuclear electric powerplant, laser cannons, and QI thrusters. We scifi now.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:13:33 UTC No. 15878539
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:14:23 UTC No. 15878545
>>15878513
>sees number 37
>thinks it has anything to do with x-37
ok retard
And the whole news article is a nothingburger. USAF already has EW platforms with EA designation, Growlers. Their EW capabilities are proven against chinks, btw. They're completely crippling.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:15:05 UTC No. 15878546
>>15878253
(it's a reference to ejaculating on figurines)
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:16:16 UTC No. 15878550
>>15878545
i never said or implied that. the article mentions other EA platforms and said their attack role comes from their missiles, but this new platform doesnt need missiles.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:20:00 UTC No. 15878556
>north korea launched a satellite into space
>sfg is still talking about starship instead
what went wrong?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:20:57 UTC No. 15878558
>>15878446
>no heat shield
>more thrust
>higher isp
I can't wait to see what the numbers look like.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:21:45 UTC No. 15878560
>>15878556
Gook Nukem has had multi stage hypergolic rockets for a while. It's not a huge surprise he finally put a satellite in orbit. I mean c'mon, fucking Astra did it with proonted engines and coke can tanks.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:22:14 UTC No. 15878561
>>15878398
/sfg/ christmas tree
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:22:54 UTC No. 15878562
>>15878561
*rocketry
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:25:59 UTC No. 15878569
>>15878476
But the water does not cover the OLM, only the soil. The legs and the ring get torched as fuck after liftoff.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:26:26 UTC No. 15878571
>Mars is literally a glowie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtD
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:28:47 UTC No. 15878574
>>15878569
Steel doesn't just randomly fall apart because it heats and cools. I'm sure this will be a fine talking point for our faggot friends at the next IFT though
>OK SURE IT REACHED ORBIT BUT HOW MANY TIMES CAN THEY REALISTICALLY USE THAT PAD HUH?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:29:59 UTC No. 15878577
10 more launches to go till we get to 200 launches in a single year
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:33:05 UTC No. 15878583
>>15878504
Chamber pressure. Current alloys are basically at the peak of being able to handle 350 bar. To get more thrust and performance output, you'd need to be able to design a material that can exceed 350 bar, then 360, and so on to 400 and beyond. SpaceX's material science team is insanely good, but they're still a ways away from being able to mass produce Raptor3s that don't melt after each use. You can think of the gradation as:
Raptor1 = 80/100
Raptor2 = 90/100
Raptor3 = 98/100
Raptor4 = 99/100
Raptor5 = 99.999/100
It's grossly simplified, but for all intents and purposes, this is the only FFSC engine that's gotten to space at the scale it has, and its already an A +grade architecture, delivering an A grade performance now. The highest they can get to is 99% performance, the last 1% is unobtainable, as no system is 100% efficient.
350 bar gets them to 272T thrust force per engine. But I think Elon wants to find ways to get to 300T thrust force per engine, as that would basically be 99 or 99.999% of maximum achievable performance. I know that the shift from Raptor2 to Raptor3, on paper, gave them a 10% increase in mass to orbit.
230T to 272T increased the Starship's payload capability from 150 to 160T. 272T to 300T might bring that to 170T hypothetically. 170T to LEO reusable would be absolutely bananas. The entire ISS weighs 175T based on materials and building practices from 20-30 years ago. Using modern techniques and materials, you could with 170T rebuild a new ISS platform with a single launch that could be 1.5-2x larger than current.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:34:55 UTC No. 15878590
>>15878560
>It's not a huge surprise he finally put a satellite in orbit
Maybe the visit to the Vostochni cosmodrome has something to do.
If USA gives missiles to Ukraine, Russia gives spacial tech to NK. Simple as.
Putin said that Kim is a rocketfag btw.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:35:50 UTC No. 15878593
>>15878513
>creating zero debris.
what do you think happens when the sat is disabled, idiot
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:35:52 UTC No. 15878594
>>15878398
why was it smoking for just a short while in the middle of the burn, that was weird
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:36:01 UTC No. 15878596
>>15878590
>kim is a rocketfag
north korean starship soon bros
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:37:02 UTC No. 15878597
>>15878590
Trump called him Rocketman for a reason.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:37:25 UTC No. 15878598
>>15878550
Yeah, the old way of designating EW aircraft was just adding an E in front of the standard designation (EC-130 from C-130, etc), but I think that's slowly being standardized to EA with the increasing importance of EW and dedicated EW aircraft.
Growlers rarely sortie with any missiles and they even can't carry more than two with all the jamming pods.
Anyways, I don't think the EA-37 is going to become a ground attack aircraft in any sense A designation normally suggests. But its EW capabilities are probably similar to Growler: capable of jamming airborne and naval radars so hard they can't even acquire a standard airliner, nevermind tracking any military targets. And of course disabling enemy EW capabilities completely. Basically drop the enemy to WWII tech level. Good stuff.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:39:14 UTC No. 15878604
>>15878593
becomes legit salvage for space pirates
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:39:29 UTC No. 15878606
the ONLY use electronic warfare will have is against unshielded drone swarms
anything large enough can be shielded
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:40:12 UTC No. 15878607
>>15878606
Idiot.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:41:24 UTC No. 15878610
>turn on EW
>your soldiers IVAS dies
>don't turn it on
>get DRONE'D
lol lmao even
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:43:29 UTC No. 15878616
>>15878593
it deorbits and burns up, idiot
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:45:23 UTC No. 15878619
>>15878594
Conditions in that altitude range had the right temperature and pressure to allow condensation to form
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:46:15 UTC No. 15878620
>>15878616
>it deorbits
how?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:47:26 UTC No. 15878622
>>15878620
It hits air molecules and slows the fuck down retard
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:48:36 UTC No. 15878625
>>15878620
It's called friction. Low orbits decay quite fast.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:49:45 UTC No. 15878628
>>15878622
>>15878625
still takes years/decades even in leo
and now you have more uncontrolled space junk that could hit something or explode
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:50:20 UTC No. 15878629
>>15878628
No, it doesn't.
Go be a retard elsewhere.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:51:38 UTC No. 15878631
>>15878629
yes it does
stop trying to cause kessler you idiot
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:52:09 UTC No. 15878632
>>15878628
>still takes years/decades even in leo
no, months to a year
>and now you have more uncontrolled space junk that could hit something or explode
no, you have one satellite in an orbit that already had that one satellite, nothing changed
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:55:32 UTC No. 15878637
>>15878631
>stop trying to cause kessler you idiot
Upvoted
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:56:51 UTC No. 15878640
>>15878632
>no, months to a year
WRONG
>no, you have one satellite in an orbit that already had that one satellite, nothing changed
but now its uncontrolled and everyone else has to avoid it
its possible it starts breaking up too and now you have tons of junk in that orbit
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:58:49 UTC No. 15878641
Right, he realized he's being retarded and chose the "pretend to be extra retarded" route. Disappointing.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:00:16 UTC No. 15878643
>>15878641
>not wanting extra space junk is retarded
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:05:26 UTC No. 15878649
>>15878631
"I half read the wikipedia article", the post
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:05:55 UTC No. 15878650
So would the IFT-2 Starship tiles have survived reentry individually?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:08:07 UTC No. 15878655
What are the Fish and Wildlife implications of seeding the atmosphere with a potent greenhouse gas (methane)?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:08:29 UTC No. 15878657
>>15878640
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Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:11:37 UTC No. 15878663
>>15878655
If we get the atmosphere warm enough the fish and wildlife will be nicely cooked.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:13:02 UTC No. 15878666
>>15878655
Methane is not considered potent enough to be regulated by the EPA, and the Fish and Wildlife Service has no extra authority to regulate it.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:14:26 UTC No. 15878668
>>15878666
>Methane is not considered potent enough to be regulated by the EPA,
i thought it was one of the most potent greenhouse gases?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:15:10 UTC No. 15878671
>>15878655
I dunno man, maybe you should ask literally every operator of an oil and gas well in north america how much they get regulated
They don't
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:15:40 UTC No. 15878672
>>15878668
You're thinking of water vapor.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:15:51 UTC No. 15878673
I shit my pants
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:22:47 UTC No. 15878685
>>15878668
It's not actually all that powerful at all, and there are much, much worse synthetic compounds that are banned for that reason. The anti-methane movement is being pushed by people with various agendas, and it's always ulterior motives.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:24:15 UTC No. 15878688
>>15878668
So true sister, we need to attach anal catheters and gas bottles to our cows to save the planet!
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:25:48 UTC No. 15878690
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/
Let's hope NASA gets something extra in its stocking this year, because it looks like a very painful year for not-Artemis priorities
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:25:48 UTC No. 15878691
>>15878546
clear figurines?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:33:01 UTC No. 15878700
Starship continuing to succeed over the next few years will be extra enjoyable because it'll directly end the careers of CSS and grifters similar to him :)
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:33:08 UTC No. 15878701
The world's cattle population releases 300 thousand tons of methane daily.
Starship's methane tank capacity is 750 tons.
Cow farts could fuel 400 Starship launches every day.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:35:09 UTC No. 15878708
>>15878690
This de-orbit tug is one of those things on the tech tree you relunctantly have to develop eventually but doesn't really lead to anything cool or exciting further down the tree.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:38:02 UTC No. 15878715
>>15878708
whats the meta strat in the tech tree?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:38:44 UTC No. 15878717
>>15878715
Rush rocketry to nukes, same as always
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:42:12 UTC No. 15878723
>>15878715
The OP coop strat is dumping all of your resouces into research early on for compounding benefits later on.
But in pvp multiplayer everyone just rushes ICBMs.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:42:12 UTC No. 15878724
>starship failed because it overheated in a spot where tiles fell off
OH NO NO NO
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:42:36 UTC No. 15878726
>>15878700
It won't. He'll just change the narrative to say that SpaceX shouldn't have a monopolistic rights over all of space beyond Earth orbit for transport of crew and indirectly colonization rights to other solar bodies. There's an N number of vectors that that fucker can choose to continue grifting an army of gullible faggots to fill his coffers. He'll continue to cry foul when there's 100 people on the Moon or 100,000 people setting up the first state and all therein. He's a regressionist and his bread and butter is to be the equivalent of the homeless man on a capital street screaming about how the sky is falling. But the information age and influencer culture has created an avenue by which he not only won't be homeless, but will also become rich in the process by tricking people who want to subscribe to the conspiracy that SpaceX is the ultimate evil in the world.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:43:57 UTC No. 15878728
>>15878724
Overheating during ascent? How does that work?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:45:49 UTC No. 15878734
>>15878728
I don't know if you knew but rocket engines are kinda warm
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:48:27 UTC No. 15878737
>>15878734
Tiles fell off of the engines?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:49:28 UTC No. 15878738
>>15878734
https://www.theworldmaterial.com/me
I don't know if you know, but 304L Stainless Steel that SpaceX uses has a melting point of close to 3,000 raging faggots.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:55:52 UTC No. 15878743
>>15878738
>measuring hawtness in degrees of Faggotry
baka
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:56:40 UTC No. 15878744
>>15878688
>>15878701
We a renewable rocket fuel company now
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:02:45 UTC No. 15878749
>>15878737
Tiles falling off is irrelevant coincidence.
Just telling you the most likely source of heat for the overheating. Hot staging slightly damaged something and things got warm where they shoudn't get warm.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:03:38 UTC No. 15878751
>>15878749
how?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:03:45 UTC No. 15878752
>>15878744
>fuel
the future of rockets is electrical. fossil fuels are a dead end.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:04:38 UTC No. 15878753
>>15878749
starting to think hot staging killed both super heavy and starship
not immediately but caused enough damage to fuck them up
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:07:53 UTC No. 15878755
>>15878749
>and things got warm where they shoudn't get warm.
from what?
nothing should be causing heat besides the engines, and the engine bay doesn't need tiles
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:08:37 UTC No. 15878756
>>15878752
Show me a working electric engine that can lift a payload to orbit, nerd
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:15:57 UTC No. 15878761
>>15878743
Shoganai-nee
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:18:58 UTC No. 15878763
>>15878749
>Just telling you the most likely source of heat for the overheating
Except for the part that Ship's destruction was triggered by FTS and not structural destabilization. Additionally, there were two anomalous outgassing events from the engine section. Lastly, there's tracked footage of the upper half of the Ship tumbling down from 149km up towards the ocean with what looks like a clean break along the weld line (relatively speaking).
All of these point to an event inconsistent with an overheat event.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:20:41 UTC No. 15878764
>>15878763
Fuck off retard
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:21:49 UTC No. 15878766
>>15878756
ramjets are real
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:22:36 UTC No. 15878767
https://viewsync.net/watch?v=6na40S
https://viewsync.net/watch?v=6na40S
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:34:54 UTC No. 15878776
>>15878767
you really seem fascinated with this capability
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:35:30 UTC No. 15878778
so what will spacex do now that starship has failed again?
is it time to realize the project is hopeless and scrap it?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:36:07 UTC No. 15878780
>>15878778
They literally rolled out the next one the very same day, it's getting finished as we speak
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:36:40 UTC No. 15878782
>>15878776
I was doing these years ago
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:06:05 UTC No. 15878811
>>15878764
You first genius.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:06:32 UTC No. 15878812
>>15878446
>no heat shield
good luck, he's smoking meth if he thinks his engineers can outsmart the laws of thermodynamics
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:07:06 UTC No. 15878814
>>15878778
They'll keep launching until they go bankrupt, to prove CSS right that they have no better ideas.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:10:23 UTC No. 15878822
>>15878207
I'mma firing my lazor
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:14:06 UTC No. 15878828
>>15878728
Ascent heating is absolutely a thing, see Nike Sprint going at like Mach 7 in the lower atmosphere. Starship and most other launch vehicles that aren't ICBMs do have similar, albeit much less intense, ascent heating effects.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:19:16 UTC No. 15878831
>>15878610
a distinctly Russian problem, American equipment is more selective
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:48:00 UTC No. 15878857
>>15878778
They should be doing way more tests than they are. What gives?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:52:05 UTC No. 15878865
>>15878778
>p-please stop launching goy
>y-you lost, stop launching!
No lol.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:55:10 UTC No. 15878870
>>15878495
Because it's their methalox engine.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:01:48 UTC No. 15878876
>>15878590
rocketman good
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:03:39 UTC No. 15878879
>>15878590
How do they do it? Those North Koreans are really something. Such a tiny country with so much fight.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:15:20 UTC No. 15878897
>>15878594
Chem trails turned on. Boca Chica and Brownsville residents will imminently turn into catgirls.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:16:57 UTC No. 15878899
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:39:28 UTC No. 15878913
starlink launch in a couple min
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:42:00 UTC No. 15878915
MUSIC
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:45:34 UTC No. 15878920
>>15878913
>starlink
I sleep
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:45:56 UTC No. 15878921
>>15878920
two minutes to launch, you ca wait that long
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:48:14 UTC No. 15878924
launch
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:49:15 UTC No. 15878925
>>15878812
Through science and technology, we will achieve apotheosis, pure necromancy, rewrite the so-called "laws" of physics at our whim.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:56:26 UTC No. 15878932
LANDED
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:59:30 UTC No. 15878935
Its the 88th launch/landing this year so far right?
Are we gonna make it to 100? HOLY FUCK!!!
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:00:18 UTC No. 15878938
based based based
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:00:46 UTC No. 15878939
>>15878935
Lol no nigger try again 2024. Nothing Ever Happens December
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:01:27 UTC No. 15878940
>>15878939
1 more week before december. SpaceX will launch 3-4 the next week
LMAO
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:01:44 UTC No. 15878941
>>15878913
yaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwn
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:01:50 UTC No. 15878942
>>15878939
>FAA drops the incident report after Thanksgiving like it was nothing
>Starship IFT-3 before New Year's
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:12:06 UTC No. 15878960
>>15878939
november and december are some of the busiest months
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:17:12 UTC No. 15878964
>>15878960
Lying bastard
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:27:57 UTC No. 15878975
>>15878964
he is a bastard its true
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 09:18:12 UTC No. 15879026
http://viewsync.net/watch?v=JL7bPFx
Lines up nicely with launch, hotstaging, and booster RUD
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:07:22 UTC No. 15879072
What sort of Isp boost could you get from an MHD augmented rocket engine? 20%? Could Starship SSTO by trading 50 tons of payload for 50 tons of dry mass in engines, power delivery, batteries, and solar panels?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:14:17 UTC No. 15879077
>>15878655
animal sex, lots of wildlife fucking and breeding
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:29:20 UTC No. 15879091
>>15878655
You'd need thousands of starships stacks to release all their methane uncombusted to start to match the estimated methane leakage from US natural gas infrastructure. Only fraction of the methane was present at breakup and a good chunk of that combusted.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:33:55 UTC No. 15879098
assuming 250 metric tons-force thrust or 2.6367MN, Raptor 3 on Superheavy would be 87MN of thrust. Compare to 34.5MN for Saturn V, 45.4MN for N1, 74.3MN for B9. Wonder if Superheavy could reach 100MN thrust by the time Raptor design matures
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:35:06 UTC No. 15879100
>>15879098
*269 tons-force
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:35:51 UTC No. 15879102
>>15879088
this post really got me thinking. How do rockets work in space if there is no air for the fuel to burn in? How does Newton's third law apply if there's no air for the rocket to push off of?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:37:20 UTC No. 15879104
>>15879102
Rocket exhaust pushes on the nozzle, not the air.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:39:40 UTC No. 15879109
>>15879102
Imagine you're in space and there is an explosion next to you, what would happen? If you guessed that the explosion would pass around you and leave you floating perfectly still, you might be retarded.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:46:19 UTC No. 15879116
>>15879104
But the rocket exhaust is part of the rocket so the force shouldn't push it if there's no air for it to push off of
>>15879109
How can explosions move through space if there is no air for it to move through?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:47:51 UTC No. 15879120
>>15879116
earther take
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:48:50 UTC No. 15879121
>>15879077
Definitely one of the things I've wanted to try!
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:53:47 UTC No. 15879124
>>15879098
ITS was meant to have 128MN thrust, which is barely over 3MN per Raptor, total of 42 engines. A theoretical 100MN Superheavy with 33 Raptors would be near equivalent in per-engine thrust to the initial ITS numbers
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:57:19 UTC No. 15879130
>>15879116
ok retard
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:02:38 UTC No. 15879136
>>15879116
It’s easier for it to move through space if there aren’t any air molecules in the way. If I shit explosive diarrhea out of my ass in a vacuum there isn’t some magical force that stops it as soon as it exits my asshole
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:20:39 UTC No. 15879156
>>15878153
We need a metallic tile.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:25:21 UTC No. 15879159
>>15878242
this little fire is an effect we get when the plumes impinge on solid surfaces, It happened during staging too, the top of the booster had fire on it while SS was firing at it.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:28:54 UTC No. 15879163
>>15878148
>>15878202
i suspect they wanted to test out the glue just in case. still interesting that they only really fell off around the weld lines of the ship
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:29:57 UTC No. 15879165
>>15878446
the limiting factor is 25%
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:30:58 UTC No. 15879167
>>15878583
What is a heat shield on a rocket engine?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:34:22 UTC No. 15879175
>>15879172
why are the wearing NASA hats
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:37:15 UTC No. 15879184
>>15879176
GO CHINA
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:41:43 UTC No. 15879189
>>15878583
>Current alloys are basically at the peak of being able to handle 350 bar
just make it thicker idiot
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:42:04 UTC No. 15879191
>>15879185
>It's time
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:44:14 UTC No. 15879196
>>15879189
I fear you're correct. Just structurally resisting the pressure is easy, by literally making the parts thicker. I'd imagine heating is more their problem.
🗑️ Barkun at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:45:26 UTC No. 15879197
>>15879196
I fear you are a fagpot. Turns out I should be facing these fears instead of ignoring them because you are one.
I DONT CARE IF THE JANNIE BANS ME FOR THIS
🗑️ Barkun at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:49:10 UTC No. 15879199
>>15879197
He does do that too. He is mean to me specifically. I get my walk but that's it. He ruins my 4chan spirit.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:52:20 UTC No. 15879202
>>15879196
could do what everyone did with engine bells, route the cryogenic fuel through channels in the walls to cool it. could also play with the stage ratios, pump more oxygen into the fuel rich turbopump etc. to make more of the burn happen before the combustion chamber
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:52:45 UTC No. 15879203
>>15878159
Watched this in a headset. Kinda sad that the size doesn't quite come across right. Still fun looking around for details.
Cool idea in general that camera. Probably a good tool to track all manor of things at once.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:56:14 UTC No. 15879207
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 12:26:42 UTC No. 15879235
>>15879233
Since that's probably not a failure mode of the operating conditions of the alloy in question, never. Might need to be repaired after a few hundred launches due to wear and tear though.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 12:37:34 UTC No. 15879243
>>15879229
lets see
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 12:43:51 UTC No. 15879249
poeple scoff at those who bring up the difficulty to refurb starship due to the incredible performance of raptor etc. but you have to wait and see 10+ years from now. SpaceX doesnt disclose financial info unless it makes them look good, and they have never disclosed the price to refurb a falcon 9 which should send up some red flags. Stuperheavy will be harder to refurb becuase the engines are more complex and there are more of them, and Starship obviouslly will be harder than anything theyve done because its going through orbital regimes, and its not just a capsule like dragon. its more like a spaceplane like shuttle..
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 12:46:52 UTC No. 15879251
Exclusive: ‘Act now’ to keep US competitive in space race, senators say
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/21/
> The top two lawmakers on the US Senate’s space and science subcommittee are pushing federal regulators to accelerate the approval of commercial space launches, arguing that the current pace could cost the United States its edge in the new space race.
> In a letter sent last week to the head of the Federal Aviation Administration’s commercial spaceflight office, Senators Kyrsten Sinema and Eric Schmitt implored FAA associate administrator Kelvin Coleman to “act now” to eliminate red tape and reduce delays in processing launch and return to Earth — or reentry — licenses.
> “As the pace of launches from U.S. commercial spaceflight companies increases and China’s state-backed space industry continues to grow, it is imperative that the processes at the FAA and other federal agencies adapt to keep pace with American innovation as well as adversarial threats in space,” the senators wrote in a letter dated November 14.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 12:48:31 UTC No. 15879255
>>15879251
> “Keeping pace with industry demand is a priority and is important for several reasons, including meeting our national security and civil exploration needs,” an FAA spokesperson told CNN in a statement on Tuesday. “We’re working diligently to attract, hire and retain additional staff.”
> In their letter, the senators named NASA’s commercial partners involved in the agency’s flagship human spaceflight program and urged Coleman to fast-track “high priority missions such as returning Americans to the moon.”
> “It’s a shame when our hardware is ready to fly, and we’re not able to go fly because of regulations or review,” said William Gerstenmaier, SpaceX’s vice president for build and reliability, noting that the company had been ready for more than a month to launch the next Starship test flight. “Licensing, including environmental (review), often takes longer than rocket development. This should never happen. And it’s only getting worse.”
> In the letter dated the day before the FAA granted the launch license for Starship’s second test flight, Chairwoman Sinema, an independent from Arizona, and Senator Schmitt of Missouri, the top Republican on the subcommittee, told Coleman they were “troubled” by witnesses saying regulatory delays could enable China to continue to close the once-wide gap between itself and the US in space. Beijing is leading a parallel effort to NASA’s Artemis program by attempting to land Chinese astronauts on the same region of the moon and at roughly the same time.
> “It is no secret that the United States is in a space race with China — our chief economic and military adversary. We cannot be our own worst enemy when it comes to beating China to the moon and Mars,” Schmitt told CNN.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:13:39 UTC No. 15879280
>>15877961
NASA acknowledges possibility of short-term post-ISS gap
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https://spacenews.com/nasa-acknowle
> WASHINGTON — While NASA seeks to maintain an uninterrupted human presence in low Earth orbit, an agency official said a short-term gap between the International Space Station and commercial successors would not be “the end of the world.”
> He added that flights by commercial crew vehicles, like SpaceX’s Crew Dragon and Boeing’s Starliner, “could lessen the impact of a gap.” Those vehicles, he said, could be equipped with research equipment and extra consumables to enable 10-day missions for “meaningful research.”
>Other vehicles in development, including SpaceX’s Starship, a crewed version of Sierra Space’s Dream Chaser and a proposed Blue Origin crewed spacecraft known only as Space Vehicle, would also help fill any gap, he added.
> In another presentation at the meeting, Robyn Gatens, ISS director at NASA Headquarters, said there is some “timeline flexibility” for the transition, which will depend on both the readiness of commercial space stations and availability of a deorbit vehicle for the ISS. NASA is currently reviewing proposals for a U.S. Deorbit Vehicle, with a contract award expected in April 2024.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:15:35 UTC No. 15879283
>>15879233
Plus I imagine that they had many many sensors on it, so we might see an Deluge v2 that is better.
I can't imagine SpaceX NOT iterating on something they can
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:15:49 UTC No. 15879285
>>15877883
>>15877893
Astrolab announces first customers for commercial lunar rover mission
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https://spacenews.com/astrolab-anno
> WASHINGTON — Lunar rover developer Astrolab announced eight customers have signed contracts worth more than $160 million for its first mission to the moon in 2026.
> The company, formally known as Venturi Astrolab Inc., announced Nov. 21 that it signed the customers to fly payloads on Mission 1, a flight of the company’s Flexible Logistics and Exploration (FLEX) rover slated for as soon as mid-2026. Astrolab announced a contract with SpaceX in March to launch FLEX on that mission on a Starship commercial lander.
> Astrolab disclosed the names of five of the eight customers. All are relatively early-stage startups developing technologies associated with long-term lunar development. The companies did not disclose the individual values of each contract.
> The announcement of the rover customers did not include details on the duration of the rover mission or the projected landing location. In an interview in March, Matthews said that while the rover is optimized for the south polar region of the moon, given the interest there because of the potential presence of water ice, the rover can travel thousands of kilometers, reducing the sensitivity to a specific landing site.
> While Mission 1 is a robotic mission, Astrolab is also developing a version of the rover that can carry astronauts, and offered it to NASA for the agency’s Lunar Terrain Vehicle competition. NASA plans to procure lunar rovers as service, much as it is doing for lunar landers, starting with the Artemis 5 mission late this decade.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:18:54 UTC No. 15879294
>>15879280
Whack a single use starship up there with a PMA on the front for a skylab type deal, problem solved.
Heck, even HLS without the engines would be good as a test run
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:21:29 UTC No. 15879299
>>15879249
I think a key difference however is that SS/SH is designed from the ground up to be reusable, as a primary design goal, whereas the inital design goals for F9 were "to get to space". Which will lead to choices you cannot change later.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:30:35 UTC No. 15879310
what happened to news reader
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:40:32 UTC No. 15879324
>>15879233
metal plates are practically immune to rocket exhaust
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:41:55 UTC No. 15879325
>>15879299
shuttle orbiter was designed from the ground up to be resuable, but because it was a very complex system they have to pull it apart to make sure nothing was broken after every flight. that among other thinks meant it was not much cheaper than assembling a new one. I dont know how starship will avoid this trap. I'm not even sure what the lifetime burn duration of a raptor is before it needs its turbine replaced. its probably lower than Merlin because its so much higher performance.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:48:32 UTC No. 15879330
>>15879310
I miss that true Roman
>>15879325
It will certainly be difficult, but there were certain choices NASA made that weren't the smartest, such as having basically all the TPS tiles be unique (even ones on the flat areas of the fuselage) whereas SpaceX are only doing custom tiles where they have no choice.
Mounting the orbiter on the side as well was one of those choices.
A lot of that was also because that shuttle was humans only, so every flight you had to be 100% certain. For a Cargo starship they might be much happier only doing preflight checks like an airline and then every 10 flights a deeper one.
If crew starship ever turns up, then I imgine deeper checks after every flight. Plus if you build enough then the costs of building the checking facility can be amortized across the fleet
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:51:57 UTC No. 15879334
>>15879255
>>15879251
OLD happened weeks before Starship Flight
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:54:17 UTC No. 15879338
>>15879334
OLD? I think this might be another letter
there was a letter by texas congressmen, but this is from two people on the space subcommittee
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:57:31 UTC No. 15879346
>>15879175
They're not, it's the logo for their own space program.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:57:57 UTC No. 15879348
>>15879338
https://spacenews.com/launch-indust
A month old
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:05:37 UTC No. 15879357
>>15879348
yes, then two congressmen sent a letter and yesterday two senators on the subcommitee sent a letter yet again
different letters from different people but with a similar message
> Two South Texas congressmen are calling on the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to expedite its review of SpaceX's Starship project near Boca Chica Beach outside Brownsville.
https://www.govtech.com/products/te
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:20:49 UTC No. 15879379
ForAllMankind EP2 short sum
>officers vs grunts
>TWO WEEKS meme got featured lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:45:17 UTC No. 15879396
>>15879249
sounds stupid given they can turn around a booster in a month. how much money do you think they're spending in a month?also sounds stupid given they fly basically entirely reused boosters.
why would they do it so extremely if it's not worth it?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:49:06 UTC No. 15879398
>>15879325
>its probably lower than Merlin because its so much higher performance.
why do you think the engine is full flow nigger?
they dont care that much about isp.
the turbine runs cool
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:57:49 UTC No. 15879406
>>15879396
anon. Shuttle took about a month to run around.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:02:05 UTC No. 15879409
>>15878935
also only a couple more launches before Falcon 9 is the most launched US rocket family ever, surpassing both Thor and classic Atlas at 274 launches each. (Falcon 9 + Heavy already surpassed that milestone last month.)
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:02:37 UTC No. 15879411
>>15879406
>The fastest turnaround for any shuttle in the history of the program was 54 days. And after the Challenger disaster, the fastest turnaround was 88 days
>As of April 2022 the shortest turnaround time was 21 days, for the sixth flight of B1062
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:03:03 UTC No. 15879412
>>15879406
>2023
>schizo's are still questioning whether or not re-use it economical
>when pretty much every expert in the industry treats this as fact now, and almost every newspace company and commercial agency is going for at least 1 re-useable design now
>when the few outliers who were vehemently against re-use or simply ignored it all died or are now getting absorbed (ULA)
you're a schizophrenic. if you're making the assumption from the getgo that spacex is lying and it's all being kept running at a massive loss in some massive conspiracy that involves spacex, their employees, the government, and pretty much every private investor who got on board with them, then i don't know what to tell you.
keep living in 2010 i guess, but you're going to get mocked relentlessly for it on /sfg/.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:05:37 UTC No. 15879415
>>15879412
the question isnt is reuse cheaper than non reuse. the question when relating to starship is, is reuse of starship sufficiently cheap to make all other rockets obsolete. stop moving the goalposts.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:07:31 UTC No. 15879417
>>15879102
I hear the New York Times is in need of science journalists. You appear to be qualified.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:11:01 UTC No. 15879421
>>15879102
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction
There is no mention of air medium required to push off the rocket. The air carried inside the rocket is used in combustion chain
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:12:18 UTC No. 15879423
>>15879325
shuttle was designed from the ground up to be a jobs program for Congress/NASA; a massive cash cow for all the contractors involved; maintain solid rocket motor production capability and knowledge for the ICBM manufacturers; and a fucking retarded satellite snatch-and-grab spaceplane with lots of crossrange for the military, that never got used for the purpose anyways.
Reusability was like number 17 on the list of goals, and everything except the orbiter was still expendable
>muh srb reuse
woop dee doo, reusing steel tubes that would cost less to make from scratch every time than the price of JUST the water recovery ops. The RS-25s had to be extensively refurbished between flights, and the shortest turnarounds were always achieved by swapping out used engines for already refurbished standbys. Even the heatshield tiles barely qualify as reusable, with how fragile they were and how many foam strikes the program had I'd wager that 90% of the factory tiles were replaced by the end of the program
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:21:19 UTC No. 15879432
>>15879396
I imagine that one of the reasons they don't release financials is so that they can keep charging 67 Million per, as currently it is a closed market. Ie It's not that they are too bad, it's that they are too Good and people will start asking why are you charging us 6x marginal .
I imagine that this price will fall as competition from neutron happens.
And Reuse is clearly better, as otherwise would they have launched what like 90% of global upmass this year?
>>15879415
If fully realised yes, it will fundamentally change how we do stuff in space as we won't have to autistically optimise everything to the gram and make it work each time. So much satellite engineering could be easier when you can just not have to use cutting edge parts because launch is cheap. When instead of "oh a satellite failed to deploy this will have major impacts on the insurance market" to "fuck it send another".
>>15879423
I would say the shuttles were "Refurbishable" as opposed to reusable. You don't have to do a full D-cycle maintance on a 747 after every flight, wheras shuttle basically did
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:25:12 UTC No. 15879435
>>15879415
reuse will make mass to orbit cheaper than anything else and spacetugs will make getting to the correct orbit cheaper (combined with starships cheap mass to orbit) than any microlauncher or whatever
all other rockets were already being murdered by Falcon 9, microlaunchers with rideshare
this is much, much worse for them
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:25:46 UTC No. 15879436
>>15879423
right now starship tiles seem less reusable than orbiter tiles given that in 1 launch a sufficient number fall off to doom the vehicle. side mounting the shuttle orbiter turned out to be bad, and using srbs was straight retarded and probably caused all shuttle deaths considering that the foam strikes were likely caused by how much the srbs vibrated.
The engine thing is right, complex engines require complex maintenance cycles, which is why raptor is a cause for concern.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:35:18 UTC No. 15879447
>>15879435
Exactly, Starship will enable actual space infrastructure. This coupled with not having to do autistic mass optimization will be the killer.
"Oh no my cheap $2Million Spacetug failed"
Oldspace, your're fucked at 100Mill per launch so it makes sense to make it super reliable and light so it costs 50 Million for your tug 150Mill total cost + Total Risk aversion.
Starship
Fuck it send up 20 of the things for 20 Million launch cost - still out way ahead on cost and you can afford to be risky with them. And they can stay 2 Million beacuse it doesn't matter if one dies.
>>15879436
Apparently these were stuck on using an old method and not checked individually, which has happened on S28
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:38:36 UTC No. 15879449
I'm calling it now: just like raptorfags were BTFO by IFT-2, tilefags will be crushed when S28 launches and re-enters just fine, losing zero tiles.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:40:02 UTC No. 15879454
>>15879447
you can really tell the people whining about tiles falling off are either newfags or not autistic enough to keep track of everything being built at starbase, a lof of the newer ship numbers already have new and improved tile attachment methods.
every single time people make this weird assumption that these things won't just be further improved like they have every time in the past when something on a starship prototype failed, it's downright naive at this point.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:42:02 UTC No. 15879460
>>15879449
it's really interesting how all the whining pre-IFT-2 was
RAPTORS SUCK THEY'RE UNRELIABLE RAPTORS SUCK RAPTORS SUCK THEY'LL NEVER GET SUPERHEAVY TO LIGHT ALL ENGINES!!!
and after they instantly switched to
TILESTILESTILESTILESTILES THEY'LL NEVER GET THE TILES WORKING
i really hope this is all just trolling and not serious opinions because it's concerning how predictable and robotic it is.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:49:43 UTC No. 15879468
>>15879449
reminder that all engines were lost on ift2.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:50:38 UTC No. 15879469
The guy with degree in aerospace engineering and who works in the industry claims Starship IFT-2 was a failure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3h
here's on the first IFT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om9
And general criticism of Starship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:51:56 UTC No. 15879472
>>15879460
It is entirely trolling this general has no thunderfags or CSScels. Tiles are still somewhat a concern but I have no doubt they will get it down in a flight or two just like raptors.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:52:36 UTC No. 15879473
>>15879468
kek. they could probably fish a couple raptors out of the gulf if they wanted.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:52:57 UTC No. 15879474
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:54:16 UTC No. 15879475
>>15879460
I hereby submit a proposal that the "raptors have 25% failure rate" faggot be permabanned
at least the it's-so-over frogposter was just a launch thread tourist and has already fucked off
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:56:49 UTC No. 15879482
>15879469
low quality bait.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:58:22 UTC No. 15879485
Man that kid is annoying. At least thunderf00t is likeable.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:58:26 UTC No. 15879486
>>15879469
I love Pressure Fed like you wouldnt beleive. He shits on space cadets like nobody else.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:00:08 UTC No. 15879488
>>15879486
what is this space cadet meme?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:00:43 UTC No. 15879489
>15879482
You actually think I'm falling for that?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:00:57 UTC No. 15879492
>>15878828
Anon, the melting point of 304L Stainless Steel is ~2,900 degrees F. In the upper atmosphere, where density drops down into the single digit percentages, there's not enough forces acting on the vehicle that can generate that much heat to cause a destabilization event. Also, your own argument undercuts this entire point, because you specifically say lower atmosphere; and Starship, at the time of vehicle loss, was in the high upper atmosphere.
So nothing you said applies.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:01:22 UTC No. 15879493
>>15879469
Guy who has a direct, vested and monetary interest in Starship failing thinks it's a failure.
>>15879454
Exactly, they almost just wanted S25 gone at this point lol
>>15879460
Like clockwork
>>15879472
I expect this, or even worst case scenario where it is a persisting problem somehow they will do what they did with F9.
Deliver Payload to orbit -> Get Paid -> Do your test for "Free"
Repeat that 10x times and then you nail it, and do it 100 times in a row
People forget that even if starship/SH is 10% of what it's claimed its still outclasses anything else by like a order of magnitude for $/kg to LEO
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:01:23 UTC No. 15879494
>>15879488
literally (you).
people who have no idea about the intricacies of the industry but who think they know better than the professionals. Also people who want to colonize inhospitable worlds for no fucking reason, other than psuedo religion.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:01:27 UTC No. 15879495
>>15879475
I wasnt a launch thread tourist I've been a regular a while now I just did that for fun while waiting for IFT-2. I mean I literally said that before. Not an oldfag but I've been around for about a year and a half now. And I stay in between launch threads too, this general is literally the only reason I use this site.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:01:38 UTC No. 15879496
>>15879449
They are BTFO. Unless Starship failure traces back to the engines.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:03:29 UTC No. 15879498
>>15879494
Not Him, but I am British, colonizing is part of my religion
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:04:42 UTC No. 15879499
>>15879449
I wouldn't be surprised to see Starlink V2 on IFT 4/5 as S28+ all have the slot as well.
Get some V2s up for testing for free, and get TPS test data on the way down
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:04:43 UTC No. 15879500
>>15879202
>could do what everyone did with engine bells, route the cryogenic fuel through channels in the walls to cool it.
Anon, the problem is in the combustion chamber ABOVE the engine bell. You can think of the problem like closing your two hands into a ball and inside that ball are two angry Japanese death hornets. 350 bar is your pain tolerance until you break the two hands apart. But the moment you do, you're dead, because these fuckers hold grudges and don't stop stinging you until you die--so you can never let go, but at some point you'll have no choice but to.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:07:59 UTC No. 15879502
>>15879488
Anyone who is involved with/knows about the launch industry, but isn't a bitter boomer working in a jobs program. Said boomers stewed in the post shuttle misery for long enough that they don't want to leave. The assertion that big things could be done is an affront to the idea that they were doing important work for the last however many decades, so they react with anger. It's very sad.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:08:11 UTC No. 15879503
>>15879500
I am pretty sure that the Raptor Combustion Chamber is regen cooled.
Seems to be that way in a lot of the engine diagrams
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:09:16 UTC No. 15879507
>>15879503
You keep talking about heat, but the problem is pressure. Regen cooling doesn't solve this problem.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:09:38 UTC No. 15879508
>>15879494
i see
so basically "chud" but for thunderfoot/CSS/ESGhound/pressure fed trannies
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:12:02 UTC No. 15879510
>>15879508
yes.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:12:21 UTC No. 15879512
>>15879500
screencapping because this is a really funny hypothetical.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:13:26 UTC No. 15879513
we’ve hit bump limit somebody stage it
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:14:28 UTC No. 15879514
>>15878668
Methane is more potent than CO2, but due to UV, it degrades to CO2 in the amosphere in a few years.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:22:58 UTC No. 15879522
>>15879435
>reuse
Not feasible with upper stages.
The only solution is cheaper expendable upper stages.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:24:56 UTC No. 15879523
STAGING
>>15879521
>>15879521
>>15879521
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:26:30 UTC No. 15879528
>>15879523
you’re a fucking RETARD
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:33:07 UTC No. 15879541
>>15879514
The main greenhouse contributor is water vapour.
We should ban the SLS instead. They sold the shuttle exhaust as clean in the 90s, while in fact it was killing the climate.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:33:38 UTC No. 15879543
>>15879523
go RUD yourself!
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:35:17 UTC No. 15879544
Damn I missed the north korean launch stream... nobody told me!!
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:36:13 UTC No. 15879546
>>15879544
double dogleg launch very cool Mr. Kim!
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:38:03 UTC No. 15879552
>>15879546
nta but what's double dogleg
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:40:56 UTC No. 15879558
https://twitter.com/lexfridman/stat
Lex meet with bezos and had a tour of his rocket factory
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:41:04 UTC No. 15879559
>>15879556
this is very surprising
Bezos has also been selling more Amazon lately, I guess he has started to pay more attention to space stuff? New Glenn launches should happen in 2024 at some point
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:42:07 UTC No. 15879562
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:45:20 UTC No. 15879567
>>15879556
Bozos obviously still doesn’t know enough though because new glenn sucks
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:50:13 UTC No. 15879574
>>15879556
I'm surprised that jeff knows a lot about rocketry. I got the impression that Blue was taking so long because he didnt really care or know what was going on. If hes so passionate and involved I wonder how he copes with 23 years of nothing apart from a very complex liquid hydrogen sounding rocket?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:51:35 UTC No. 15879577
>>15879523
this is actually a good way to stage with an OP of my choosing, then /sfg/ is forced to recycle and use it when this thread dies. I can finally choose the OP pic lol
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:54:20 UTC No. 15879580
>>15879556
Why now, Jeff? I really wanna know. Is it a privilege to be interviewed by Lex? I dont get it
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:55:57 UTC No. 15879583
>>15879559
>>15879562
>>15879556
if bezos is trying to ape musk by doing to public persona and deep knowledge of rocketry thing then its actually very very good. Everyone knows the space race with the chinks is non existant and only exists in the brains of boomer politicians. But Bezos could come along and give Musk a run for his money if he accelerates the work pace at Blue. New Glenn is like their falcon. Imagine what their starship would be like? And BE4 is already a methalox engine and is mature enough that the boomers at ULA have been happy to use it.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:55:59 UTC No. 15879584
>>15879574
knowing a lot about a thing doesn't really directly translate to efficiently running a business about it
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:56:12 UTC No. 15879585
>>15879577
could be he knew relatively little previously but has taken more interest lately?
i think he has had at least casual interest in spaceflight for a long time as he founded some space club in high school or college if I remember correctly but perhaps didn't get personally invested in the engineering
that could have changed after he got out of amazon
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:56:29 UTC No. 15879586
>>15879577
A shitpost thread is not useful to /sfg/. Keep it relevant to spaceflight.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:57:14 UTC No. 15879589
>>15879585
meant to reply to >>15879574
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:58:50 UTC No. 15879591
>>15879580
New Glenn is supposed to fly next year
Blue Origin changed its CEO just recently, so this tracks with Bezos getting more interested/involved
its not like the previous CEO decided to just quick himself
and does BO have any investors? You would think its majority owned by Bezos easily, could even be 100% owned by him
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:59:56 UTC No. 15879592
>>15879583
yes, this is promising
New Glenn just needs to fly, BO needs to start actually doing something visible instead of endless mockups
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:02:04 UTC No. 15879593
>>15879585
well hopefully he reforms things. I want to see a race between the two giants Blue and SpaceX in the future, and to have historians write about their differing objectives and who came out on top. It's no mistake Elons car manufacturer is called Tesla, Elon has magical thinking like Tesla himself, whereas Jeff is more of an economics guy. Tom Mueller the guy who developed Merlin actually agrees with Bezos more than Musk on where space colonization will go.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:02:39 UTC No. 15879595
>>15879580
It's easy PR and softball questions.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:06:47 UTC No. 15879601
>>15879591
*fire himself
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:09:50 UTC No. 15879606
>>15879556
How does this guy have access to literally everyone
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:13:47 UTC No. 15879613
>>15879541
Starship more than likely releases more water vapor each launch than SLS. Someone else can do the math
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:13:48 UTC No. 15879614
>>15879612
Probably nothing
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:15:08 UTC No. 15879619
>>15879606
>>15879595
He also seems rather shameless in using his MIT affiliation. It doesn't matter much now, but that's how he build his reputation and got his starter guests.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:18:41 UTC No. 15879623
>>15879619
I mean its not like he's abusing his power other than to talk to people, and its not like he publicly shames them if not right? They get good PR, he gets some recognition, viewers get stuff to watch of famous people, just seems like an all around good system for all parties as of now. I dont watch his shit but never came off as some politically motivated hack
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:20:02 UTC No. 15879627
>>15879623
depends on a lot who is being interviewed, but some interviews are pretty interesting
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:28:10 UTC No. 15879636
>>15879556
https://twitter.com/JoelSercel/stat
CEO of Transastra (asteroid mining) and a CalTech PhD
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:37:22 UTC No. 15879648
>>15879646
they need to get some tracking cameras downrange next time
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:40:36 UTC No. 15879650
>>15879612
Oh no! Anyway triple the space force budget
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:43:30 UTC No. 15879654
>>15879650
Do this but to the FAA as well
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:56:04 UTC No. 15879667
>>15879650
there's a fight in congress over space force national guard. senators are trying to create it so they can get more gibs for their states, even if it will cause problems for the ussf. expect the ussf's budget to expand to accommodate all the new guardsmen if it gets created.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 17:58:52 UTC No. 15879669
>>15879249
SpaceX launches Falcon 9s for less than $20million.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:01:43 UTC No. 15879674
>>15879669
People say this all the time but I have never seen a source other than “they probably have fat profit margins on those flights they charge 70 mil for”
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:09:24 UTC No. 15879682
>>15879674
I think Shotwell or some document said it.
The actual figure was either $18million or $15million, don't remember which.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:20:44 UTC No. 15879694
>>15879606
He's jewish.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:22:12 UTC No. 15879697
>>15879648
What was WB-57 doing?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:22:52 UTC No. 15879698
>>15879650
I know a guy who can vote for that.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:34:36 UTC No. 15879715
>>15879577
no, because i'll make another thread at page 10 and people will go to that one and report and ignore yours just like last time lmao.
continue to seethe.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:39:11 UTC No. 15879721
>>15879682
>Schizowell
oh great...
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:39:13 UTC No. 15879722
notice btw how we haven't seen any krystalposting in a long time and krystalfag has miraculously been replaced with this dude who's constantly trying to split threads.
i wonder what caused this.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:41:55 UTC No. 15879727
>>15879722
We got his name, twitter account and state/city. Didnt get further but he fucked off after that and is now just shitting up the general because hes butthurt mad. Will continue until janny rangebans Hawaii
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:44:35 UTC No. 15879733
>>15879583
ULA boomers are retarded, as evidenced by their decade long refusal to acknowledge that reuse is even economically feasible let alone better than expendable. 50% of the reason ULA is trying to get bought out is due to BE-4 delays
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:45:53 UTC No. 15879736
>>15879732
Pluck his eyes out
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:51:03 UTC No. 15879745
>>15879324
Throw enough firepower at anything and it will crumble
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:52:19 UTC No. 15879750
>>15879722
LMAO what a loser.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:53:04 UTC No. 15879752
>>15879736
skin him like a cat and watch him run around with blood pouring from his body as he dies in agony
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:55:08 UTC No. 15879756
>>15879754
I hope the starship blows up.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:55:39 UTC No. 15879757
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:57:28 UTC No. 15879765
>>15879756
it just did
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 18:58:29 UTC No. 15879769
>>15879760
welcome to 1960 best korea
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:00:32 UTC No. 15879771
>>15879754
>growing flowers on the moon
the iss leaf cutting of lunar "science"
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:01:30 UTC No. 15879774
>>15879769
All they gotta do is avoid the sexual revolution
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:05:21 UTC No. 15879779
>>15879593
To colonize space, you actually need both. Elon and Jeff are basically the metaphor for Moore's Law of Tick/Tock generations. SpaceX paves the way by building the roads upon which companies like Blue Origin and others can accelerate their own economics therein. Each new platform and capability that SpaceX brings to the table creates a generational leap ahead, while each new platform and capability that other players including BO brings to the table vastly optimizes that process to align with conventional school of thought.
With just Bezos, you'll never get anywhere, and with just SpaceX, you'll perpetually divide the community because not everyone is a doer. The world and the politics therein just don't work like that.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:05:24 UTC No. 15879780
>>15879722
I like to think he got blown the fuck out by the clearposter
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:06:47 UTC No. 15879783
>>15879774
And the Green movement, nuclear bad bad bad
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:08:39 UTC No. 15879785
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:12:11 UTC No. 15879792
>>15879757
That's interesting, the entire relight sequence of the inner 13 engines almost succeeded if not for the 1 engine in the sequence that failed to relight. So while the booster was still in the turning process, the plumbing and fuel position was likely still healthy. But by the time it completed its super aggressive flip and burn, slosh + fluid hammer likely destroyed the plumbing and valves that led to flame outs and engine destruction, leading to FTS on the booster.
So for IFT3, if they just take their time with the flip back and maybe decrease the total number of engines lit to just the polar vectors (N/S + E/W + center 3) and burn for a little longer back towards "landing target", they should probably be okay. It would seem in their maximum priority in maximizing total upmass to orbit, they may have overlooked the potential for this issue and that ultimately led to the booster's unscheduled disassembly.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:15:28 UTC No. 15879796
>>15879780
i hate clearposting because i don't like vtubers, but at the same time clearfag at least stood by his autism and took his waifu to see ift-2, even getting recognized by the japanese spaceflight propaganda e-whore.
all krystalnigger ever did was obnoxiously post his fetish art and desperately try to pretend there were others like him and that krystalposting was some staple of /sfg/.
whenever people mocked him a little too much he would go on a shitposting spree in impotent rage and samefag endlessly.
now that he got doxxed this new thread splitting thing he's doing is just another iteration of that.
if it were up to me ALL of these fucking avatarposting attentionfags would get rangebanned but the furfag is clearly the worst of the bunch.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:15:29 UTC No. 15879797
For reducing climate change, that's best done by DRAMATICALLY reducing energy usage. This would require state-wide BANS on use of air conditioning except in the desert, restrictions on energy use for electronics, mandatory energy-efficient windows and buildings, mandatory retrofits of piping. Growth and sales of high-water use agriculture such as almonds, dairy, and meat should be taxed at 90% to reduce demand and therefore water use.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:17:25 UTC No. 15879803
>>15879797
>if we just stop what we're doing the Earth will go back to being comfortable for humans because that's the way God made it
not how it works
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:20:28 UTC No. 15879807
>>15879797
I will turn on my electric resistance heater instead of wearing warmer clothing
I will sprinkle my lawn and fill my pool
I will install large single pane windows
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:22:28 UTC No. 15879815
>>15879797
the best thing an individual can do to reduce their impact on the planet is kill as many other people as they can and then themselves.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:23:36 UTC No. 15879816
>>15879796
I shitposted crystal a few times, but that was just a few times in many years
at some point someone thought it was unironic I guess? not sure if the doxed guy was the first one to bring crystal to /sfg/
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:24:12 UTC No. 15879819
>>15879796
how did you figure out the krystalfag is the one splitting threads?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:29:24 UTC No. 15879825
>>15879819
because it started literally right after he got doxxed, and when everyone got mad at him for splitting the threads he instantly replied with samefagging, talking to himself and calling everyone who tried to STOP the threadsplitting noa, which is his own name.
now, to be fair, i can never be 100% certain about it, but given this exact behaviour has continued and nobody has posted krystal since i'd say it's pretty fucking likely.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:33:26 UTC No. 15879832
>>15879825
you think he made the original split thread with the Allah meme in the OP?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:35:24 UTC No. 15879834
>>15874872
you can see him seething here that jannies chose to delete his early stage thread that survived the purge that deleted his other plit threads, and chose my thread (the one he's posting in) instead,
you can see him here >>15874736 advertizing his split early stage thread and here >>15874891 accusing me and calling me noa. pretending that his thread had legitimacy even though it was made before page 10 and had a garbage quality bait op like the one he just posted in this current thread.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:37:22 UTC No. 15879836
>>15879834 (me)
that's just what i payed attention to because he was interacting with me and i was the one who fixed that mess and brought /sfg/ back on track (threadwise). but i think he was doing this shit earlier as well while i was asleep, not gonna bother looking through it now though.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:42:56 UTC No. 15879845
Is it possible to see starlinks that are in their positions already with naked eye? No idea what else it could have been as there shouldn't have been any freshly launched ones anywhere near.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:53:45 UTC No. 15879862
bt guys 'Blue Moon' lunar lander uses fuel cells instead of batteries. Why is this? I thought fuel cells were worse than batteries?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:54:32 UTC No. 15879863
>>15879862
batteries don’t like lunar night time
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:56:53 UTC No. 15879869
>>15879546
>double dogleg launch
damn lol, SSO orbit too
how's south korea's launch capabilities?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:57:05 UTC No. 15879871
>>15879862
probably has to do with fact that NASA flamed them for Natty Team’s vague original design w/ panels. Additionally, I’m sure BO expects (on paper) that Blue Moon will be wildly successful with the commercial market, and will be going to the lunar south pole a lot where it can’t really use panels.
Also BO has been toying with the idea of ISRUing hydrologgs not just for fuel, but for power as well. So.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:04:38 UTC No. 15879889
its over starship doesnt work
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:05:37 UTC No. 15879892
we’re so back starship works
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:09:05 UTC No. 15879904
krystalfag made lots of OC though. I see the long stories and a few bits of legitimate artwork (not AI gen) when I go dig through my files. Did you guys forget all the poetry and fanfics and stuff?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:12:56 UTC No. 15879919
Shut the fuck up
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:17:31 UTC No. 15879928
When is the next Mars transfer window and how long is it? Is it realistic for Starship to launch an uncrewed test flight there in 2024?
I think 2024 has a transfer window but I'm not sure
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:20:19 UTC No. 15879933
>>15879928
Q4 2024 will be uncrewed and Q4 2026 will be crewed. It is very feasible
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:20:53 UTC No. 15879934
>>15879933
HAHAHA SPAY SEX NERDS REALLY BELEIVE THIS.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:22:03 UTC No. 15879936
>>15879928
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/
Replying to myself, according to pic there should be one at the end of 2024?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:23:41 UTC No. 15879939
>>15879934
The windows are open for about 2 months. That is a lot of ships you will be able to send and a lot of margin for error if some of them crash land. The problem is the FAA will dripfeed them to only a few launches, they will fuck it all up. Musk wants to send a thousand, right now we have to beg the FAA to let us send 1…
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:24:04 UTC No. 15879940
>>15879933
More like 2026 and 2030 and that’s being generous.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:25:12 UTC No. 15879943
>>15879940
There will be ten Starship launches next year unironically
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:25:49 UTC No. 15879945
>>15879943
and they will all go towards artemis/starlink
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:27:38 UTC No. 15879947
>>15879945
you could fling one at mars because why not
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:28:21 UTC No. 15879948
>>15879836
>i was the one who fixed that mess and brought /sfg/ back on track (threadwise).
based protector of /sfg/
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:33:20 UTC No. 15879957
>>15879869
they also are testing a native launcher, with a successful launch this year. Funny, they also got help from Russia early on in their space program years ago, giving Russia a chance to test their Angara universal stage for the first time.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:35:13 UTC No. 15879959
15879958
stop posting retarded rage bait from twitter
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:36:27 UTC No. 15879963
>>15879959
but its funny
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:40:49 UTC No. 15879967
>>15879958
All rockets should have to pay royalties to the chinese
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:42:14 UTC No. 15879971
A reminder that Musk describes himself as "fur-curious".
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:43:04 UTC No. 15879974
>>15879970
MAKE SURE DRAGONFLY STEERS CLEAR OF ANY AND EVERY METHANE LAKE
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:43:51 UTC No. 15879975
>>15879971
it was a trap to identify and subsequently gas the furries
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:51:39 UTC No. 15879984
S30 is gonna be the next ship to launch, mark my words.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:52:38 UTC No. 15879987
Breaking: Elon Musk has replied and agreed with yet another counter-semitic tweet.
Gwynn Shotwell has been asked to comment.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:53:12 UTC No. 15879988
>>15879987
kek.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:04:01 UTC No. 15880004
Just realized that Dragonfly's excellent flight systems engineers has been replaced by some karen. Douglas S. Adams really knew what he was working on and I hope Dragonfly won't crash land now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5s
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:07:50 UTC No. 15880012
>>15879947
it's also an easier landing when you don't have to land it on urf
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:08:29 UTC No. 15880015
>>15879987
>Elon Musk has replied and agreed with yet another counter-semitic tweet.
can you link the tweet?
also All design & engineering of the original Tesla Roadster is now fully open source.
Whatever Tesla has, we now have.
service.tesla.com/roadster
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:09:58 UTC No. 15880019
>>15879958
>Delta Clipper is the same as an orbital heavy launcher
peak midwit
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:11:40 UTC No. 15880021
>>15880019
This is why Africa has a drinking water problem
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:12:36 UTC No. 15880024
>>15879967
this
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:21:06 UTC No. 15880038
>>15879732
this makes me feel bad :(
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:22:22 UTC No. 15880040
>>15879797
okay start with banning gasoline powered cars and force everyone to buy a car with 95% efficiency
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:32:20 UTC No. 15880050
>>15879958
>people STILL treat the delta clipper as some sort of GOTCHA! for spacex
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:33:40 UTC No. 15880053
>>15879757
pure kino
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:33:44 UTC No. 15880054
>>15879958
How's that MDD merger working out for boeing, eh?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:33:47 UTC No. 15880055
musk is getting cooked and spacex with him
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:33:54 UTC No. 15880056
>>15879958
NASA propulsively landed a craft on the moon in the 70s
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:35:01 UTC No. 15880059
>>15879957
I wouldn't be shocked if Norks are injecting money into the russian space program
It's really kind of fascinating how North Korea makes money despite being THE international pariah
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:38:36 UTC No. 15880067
>>15879958
Friendly reminder most of the DC-X landings were not even automated
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:41:53 UTC No. 15880072
if jef ends up on the lex fridman podcast what do you think he will say about Musk and SpaceX when asked?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:42:16 UTC No. 15880074
>>15879559
I hope so, at some point roided sex with plastic goblinas has to get old.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:44:45 UTC No. 15880080
>>15879928
Test uncrewed in 2024, Machinery/robot delivery in 2026, Skeleton crew in 2028 because the Olympics will be in the US so we need to slap the world with our dick while all eyes are on us.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:46:58 UTC No. 15880082
>>15879928
Earliest missions to Mars will be 2028, most likely 2030s. Musk requires funding to do the missions, and NASA is only interested in the Moon right now.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:49:50 UTC No. 15880086
>>15879072
depends on the power supply, and the answer is "negligible" unless you assume a literally impossibly good power supply OR an extremely tiny engine.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:56:20 UTC No. 15880097
>>15879156
Somewhere out there in alloy-space there's some weird mixture of fourteen common metals and a few non metals that has almost zero strength loss below 80% of its melting point, a melting point above 4000 kelvin, an emissivity of 0.9 and excellent corrosion resistance, all while being malleable enough to stamp into tile/panel shapes for use as TPS. Good luck finding it though lol
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:57:12 UTC No. 15880100
>>15880059
you can always make money as an arms merchant, and NK is one of the biggest in the world.
(They also have a weird sideline of making monuments. Sold to dictators worldwide!)
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:58:56 UTC No. 15880103
>>15879233
2750
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:59:50 UTC No. 15880106
>>15880072
probably something boringly diplomatic, similarly to tory bruno
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:00:55 UTC No. 15880107
>>15880082
> Musk requires funding to do the missions, and NASA is only interested in the Moon right now.
no he doesn't lol
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:02:43 UTC No. 15880115
>>15878767
Who's this guy with the hat? Later that day he was on the Vegas grid before the F1 race start
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:03:11 UTC No. 15880116
>>15880107
He won't do something that will be a money loser. Why do you think he never did red dragon when NASA pulled funding?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:03:19 UTC No. 15880117
>>15879325
Raptor likely has a much longer life limit than Merlin, because it has no rotating seals that have to keep incompatible fluids separated in turbopumps, and its turbines run at a much lower temperature due to the high mass flow rate.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:04:20 UTC No. 15880119
>>15880115
Kimbal, Musks retarded normie brother.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:04:47 UTC No. 15880120
>>15880116
>Why do you think he never did red dragon
he had a prophetic vision of a skyscraper refuelling in orbit and immediately changed his plans
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:09:14 UTC No. 15880132
>>15879500
The entire interior of the main combustion chamber and nozzle of any regeneratively cooled engine is regeneratively cooled.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:09:22 UTC No. 15880133
>>15880116
because it wasn't just about the funding, it was about basically all future contracts
SpaceX would have been blackballed if they did that
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:10:42 UTC No. 15880138
>>15879507
So thicken the steel jacket surrounding the combustion chamber.
It really is that simple. You can swap to a higher strength to weight ratio metal if the mass of a thicker steel jacket is a concern.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:10:58 UTC No. 15880139
>>15880012
The Mars landing sequence looks pretty crazy, I'm not sure how easy it will be
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:11:14 UTC No. 15880141
>>15880133
>>15880116
and besides, Musk was in a very different situation in whenever red mars was being talked about (2018?) compared to now
it might have been partly about funding then but it was mostly about not destroying their relationship with NASA and so on
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:12:22 UTC No. 15880143
>>15880139
doesn't look that crazy compared to the earth bellyflop manuever
even a crash landing would be better than nothing in any case, they would get lots of good experience on the way there
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:13:54 UTC No. 15880151
>>15880149
ocelotbros...
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:14:30 UTC No. 15880154
>>15880139
Lower gravity makes everything easier. It will be easier to land starship on Mars than urf.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:15:35 UTC No. 15880159
>>15880015
>design & engineering of the original Tesla Roadster is now fully open source
where? there's like 4 documents.
did musk lie again?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:15:36 UTC No. 15880160
>>15880149
So this is why starship failed orbital insertion. Some bastard saved the sacrificial animal.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:16:51 UTC No. 15880163
>>15878767
kek is that Larry Ellison
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:20:28 UTC No. 15880177
>>15880015
>All design & engineering
>picrel
faggot nigger musk
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:22:36 UTC No. 15880183
>>15880154
does starship have hover capability under mars gravity? if not then thats a problem
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:32:16 UTC No. 15880205
$1 billion just for a single capsule is absolutely preposterous
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:38:01 UTC No. 15880211
>>15880183
Why? Falcon 9 doesn't have hover capability, when was the last time a booster failed landing?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:40:10 UTC No. 15880216
>>15880177
surely they're gonna release more?
otherwise this is the biggest, most delusional lie he's ever told
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:40:21 UTC No. 15880217
>>15880149
Someone in one of the Boca Chica houses should adopt it and keep it inside, too much industrial shit moving around for a cat to be safe.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:40:34 UTC No. 15880218
>>15880211
Falcon is able to use gps and ground tracking. That would obviously not be available on Mars.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:40:46 UTC No. 15880219
>>15879757
quinoa
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:42:35 UTC No. 15880224
>>15879815
based
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:43:41 UTC No. 15880227
BE4 has a larger combustion chamber so it has to endure lower temperature than Raptor. It will be able to endure more flights.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:46:39 UTC No. 15880233
>>15879832
I was the one who bitched endlessly about that allah OP being horrible, and trust me I made it known, but I didnt actually make the separate thread even though I advocated for it. Im not the krystalposter, but he definetly did split the threads, and if you remember in the thread before the launch thread when we doxxed him there were 5 splinter threads, and the first of them was actually a krystal thread. I also want to remind you all that the launch thread had a hidden starfox logo in the OP, and that every thread since that has had a layout like the launch thread was likely made by him.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:50:29 UTC No. 15880245
>>15879834
The split early stage thread guy was me, I didnt make the OP but only was defending it because like I said there janny had only left up one thread to use since we had just reached page 10 but then he deleted a bunch of threads. I stopped defending it when janny deleted the thread and left yours up, it was a mix up on my part and you were right to have staged it when you did, so I'm sorry for accusing you of being the krystalsplitter. Glad that we agree we need to only keep one thread up, and obviously your OP was better
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:52:34 UTC No. 15880247
>>15880227
BE-4 are an oxygen rich cycle and were eating themselves because of it
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:53:13 UTC No. 15880250
>>15880218
You only need that for precision guidance. When you are landing on 500x500km of flat nothing all you need is altitude radar.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:02:42 UTC No. 15880267
>>15879832
Memri TV memes have nothing to do with religion
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:03:07 UTC No. 15880269
>>15879958
This is among the lowest quality bait I've ever seen
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:03:39 UTC No. 15880272
>>15880086
The JP Aerospace guys are getting at least 10% Isp boost with their tabletop experiments.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:07:59 UTC No. 15880278
>>15880218
>GPS
>Geo
>not available on Mars
No shit.
How many starships full of modified starlink will it take to set up a constellation adequate for precision location on Mars, and more importantly, what will Elon name the service?
MPS?
APS?
StarPS.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:10:15 UTC No. 15880287
>>15880278
he should name it shitballs to make people seethe
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:12:04 UTC No. 15880290
>>15880278
Why would it not be Global Positioning System? Unless Mars is flat?...
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:12:49 UTC No. 15880292
Mark Zuckburg is based because he killed Elon. Why doesnt he make a rocket venture?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:14:24 UTC No. 15880298
>>15880292
He is a reptilian infiltrator from zeta reticuli, they already have zero point energy and faster than light drives
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:18:12 UTC No. 15880303
>>15880298
Aren't the Lyrans supposed to help us against them? They've been silent for centuries now
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:19:38 UTC No. 15880310
>>15880211
Because its engines can't throttle low enough to hover.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:19:45 UTC No. 15880311
>>15880292
they fought?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:20:36 UTC No. 15880312
>>15880305
but he is correct, this guy is clearly a genius
I kneel
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:20:37 UTC No. 15880313
>>15880305
it exploded. that's all i need to know
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:20:44 UTC No. 15880314
>>15880305
...iterative design? Pad issues are fixed and raptors didnt fail until relight which are the exact issues that IFT-1 had this is just another set of issues that will be solved at IFT-3
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:24:03 UTC No. 15880322
>>15880314
it exploded and thus failed, space cadet
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:24:09 UTC No. 15880324
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:26:13 UTC No. 15880328
>>15880305
Failure really was the only possible option
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:26:59 UTC No. 15880329
>>15880305
SpaceX’s Super Heavy is now at literally the exact same level of development as SLS’s core stage / SRBs. It failed after successful stage sep.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:27:27 UTC No. 15880330
>>15880322
Meanwhile, Oldspace is wishing they could have the failures SpaceX does.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:28:29 UTC No. 15880332
>>15879475
>>15879495
god bless america
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:28:56 UTC No. 15880333
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:29:04 UTC No. 15880334
>>15880330
Artemis 1 worked perfectly, Starship has exploded twice
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:31:14 UTC No. 15880338
>>15880333
This guy could run a company 100X as valuable as SpaceX with his know how
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:31:43 UTC No. 15880339
>>15880305
>>15880333
can you stop baiting faggot?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:31:58 UTC No. 15880341
>>15880334
The sls core stage exploded. your response?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:32:56 UTC No. 15880343
>>15880341
Its supposed to explode
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:34:06 UTC No. 15880348
>>15880341
>the response
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:34:27 UTC No. 15880349
>>15880082
You don't seem to realize that sending a Starship to Mars will cost less for SpaceX in 2026 than the current IFT tests cost them today.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:34:43 UTC No. 15880350
>>15879698
Anon.... Shelby retired. (I miss him every day)
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:35:13 UTC No. 15880351
>trolling outside of /b/
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:36:05 UTC No. 15880355
>>15880350
get a better riflescope, Tory
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:36:15 UTC No. 15880356
>>15880332
Get bent tourist, complain more and I'm bringing out the frogDEITY again
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:36:26 UTC No. 15880357
>>15880348
SLS doesnt ignite FTS before reentry? Ummmm that's a MASSIVE danger to public safety
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:37:24 UTC No. 15880362
>>15880334
It sure did. It's politically unacceptable for anything NASA does to fail, especially something as big and high profile as a NASA specified launcher. That's why it took over a decade to design and build, cost tens of billions of dollars, and cost over $4 billion to launch. Meanwhile it hasn't even been five years since SpaceX went from Starhopper to IFT-2.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:38:19 UTC No. 15880363
>>15880227
The combustion chamber and nozzle of any rocket engine are what's least likely to ever wear out.
BE-4 has all the flaws of an ORSC engine, most of all a horribly abusive oxygen rich environment with a bunch of thin metal turbine blades whipping through it.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:38:34 UTC No. 15880364
>>15880348
Someone reply and say Ares IX fucked up but NASA still regarded it as a success
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:41:02 UTC No. 15880371
>>15880364
ask what SLS's landing procedure is
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:41:20 UTC No. 15880373
>>15880364
You mean the part where the dummy upper stage immediately began tumbling aggressively?
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:42:15 UTC No. 15880375
>>15880272
>tiny engine
Yeah, no shit. Raptor sized engines are monstrously powerful, hundreds of megawatts or gigawatts of power. To get a 10% isp gain is a 10% increase in power. How do you supply tens to hundreds of megawatta of electricity to your engine in flight? You don't.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:44:26 UTC No. 15880384
>>15879845
no
unless you're in the atacama desert or point nemo or something
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:44:55 UTC No. 15880386
>>15879072
You'd get a lot more benefit on something like Electron than you could hope for with Starship/Superheavy. Superheavy can't even lift off if you fill the bottom of the stack with Rutherfords.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:45:06 UTC No. 15880387
>>15880373
I think it was the part where the booster recontacted the dummy stage and sent them both tumbling, yes
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:46:22 UTC No. 15880389
>>15880334
FH worked perfectly
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:47:56 UTC No. 15880394
>>15880389
Before he inevitably says Falcon 9 exploded twice, so did the Space Shuttle.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:48:03 UTC No. 15880395
>no on board footage
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:49:03 UTC No. 15880396
>>15880394
Falcon 9 exploded like 25 times
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:49:05 UTC No. 15880397
>>15880394
And the Space Shuttle flew half as many missions as Falcon already has.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:49:41 UTC No. 15880399
>>15880097
it's probably full of beryllium and thus horrifically toxic
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:50:11 UTC No. 15880401
>>15880395
Musk banned the release of it because its BAD. if people saw it investoris would lose total confidence.
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:51:52 UTC No. 15880407
>>15880247
retard, you're almost as stupid as pressure fed astronaut
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:56:28 UTC No. 15880412
>>15880324
it bothers me that this is flipped vertically
>>15880356
go back to NSF, newfag
>>15880401
too busy bringing transexualism to Texas to get good onboard footage
Anonymous at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:57:00 UTC No. 15880413
>>15880409
both bird and man gained flight through natural selection
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:02:12 UTC No. 15880421
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:02:16 UTC No. 15880422
>>15880413
>both bird and man gained flight through natural selection
That's fucking deep
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:03:15 UTC No. 15880425
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:04:17 UTC No. 15880426
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:05:19 UTC No. 15880428
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:06:21 UTC No. 15880432
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:07:24 UTC No. 15880436
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:08:26 UTC No. 15880438
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:09:27 UTC No. 15880439
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:10:30 UTC No. 15880441
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:11:32 UTC No. 15880444
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:12:01 UTC No. 15880447
Can anyone explain to me why the QD has to stay connected for the whole countdown and disconnects at the last second?
Why couldn't they load Starship and around T-10, disconnect it and let it swing well out of the way of the Raptors. Why wait until the last second?
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:12:33 UTC No. 15880448
>>15880444
some of these tiles look pretty fucked
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:18:41 UTC No. 15880459
>>15880448
hey man you got any more tile pics these are pretty good
hmmmm yeah tiles
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:21:06 UTC No. 15880463
>>15880459
they scroll down the whole ship at the end of the video
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:26:13 UTC No. 15880477
>>15880448
WTF some of those tles are cracked to shit and held together with flex tape. My god.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:26:57 UTC No. 15880479
>>15880447
>inb4 cope reason
there's no need.
i guess it's designed to retract by the time the plume arrives so if that works then there also shouldn't be any downside either to waiting for launch commit.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 01:01:13 UTC No. 15880509
>>15880506
Stop spamming your shitty twitter posts.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 01:11:37 UTC No. 15880523
>>15880448
They REALLY need to get their quality control shit together for these tiles man wtf
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 01:13:40 UTC No. 15880526
>>15880399
Good
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 01:15:01 UTC No. 15880527
>MECO (Most Engines Cut Off)
Great this isn’t annoying at all
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 01:16:58 UTC No. 15880529
>>15880506
Starlink make money. Money can fund space colonization.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 01:18:03 UTC No. 15880532
>>15880448
NiggaWUT
its like they were throwing tiles on the ground by msitake and then sticking them back together after they shattered and putting them on the vehicle like noone would notice.
ITS OVER.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 01:21:52 UTC No. 15880536
>>15880444
why dont they have any tiles on the seams on one of the ships?
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 01:23:08 UTC No. 15880539
>>15880506
billions must log on
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 01:26:24 UTC No. 15880542
>>15880536
they build the segments in the factory and put the tiles on before welding the segments together in a highbay/megabay
the tiles have to then be put on after that and is probably a bit more difficult due to the size (maybe there is congestion as well in the megabays?)
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:07:56 UTC No. 15880578
>>15880532
That's probably what happened. Spic labor is shit quality.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:12:14 UTC No. 15880582
>>15880395
what do you mean plenty of footage has been posted on this board
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:20:12 UTC No. 15880591
>>15880506
>Spacegay5
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:26:37 UTC No. 15880600
>>15880401
This is what I'm hearing...
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:29:30 UTC No. 15880604
>>15880582
Schizoid.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:37:10 UTC No. 15880607
>>15880604
you can't actually be this autistic there's no way
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:40:41 UTC No. 15880612
>>15879188
absolute unit
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:48:47 UTC No. 15880618
>>15880527
yeah at a certain point you need to call it booster throttle down or something
uhhhh throttle booster down TBD
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:50:12 UTC No. 15880622
>>15880607
you can't be serious
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:19:03 UTC No. 15880655
The cartels allow people to watch the launch from only 2.7 miles away in Mexico.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-4
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:22:26 UTC No. 15880663
>>15880628
SEXO
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:34:59 UTC No. 15880675
>>15880655
You have no power here FAA
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:39:38 UTC No. 15880678
>>15880628
Cute but skin colour is nauseating. At least make her a black ass bitch with tiled skin patterns or white with silver clothes and black tile legging and arm sleeves.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 04:08:11 UTC No. 15880708
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:18:46 UTC No. 15880811
>>15880245
Well, my apologies for lashing out at you anon, thanks for being a good sport about it.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 07:13:31 UTC No. 15880966
>>15880447
Most liquid rockets are fueled up to and after ignition until the lockdown clamps are released.
Anonymous at Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:02:55 UTC No. 15881007
>>15880628
Now draw her chopped in half, and each half blowing up