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Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:25:12 UTC No. 15891713
Literal Edition
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Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:27:25 UTC No. 15891718
just watching the first episode for all mankind right now
it must have been amazing back when this happened
to finally reach out and touch the moon.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:28:39 UTC No. 15891721
>>15891713
who is this guy? why is he 'literal'?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:30:25 UTC No. 15891723
>>15891721
He's Chief of Space Operations in the US Space Force, literally a spaceflight general.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:42:20 UTC No. 15891732
>>15891719
bezos penis rocket
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:45:24 UTC No. 15891735
>>15891719
A literal metal cylinder
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:47:03 UTC No. 15891739
>>15891719
I hate the feather motif
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:49:09 UTC No. 15891744
>>15891713
what the fuck is this uniform
they had a blank slate and decided to dress like a chef wearing a tie lmfao
>Mama Mia!
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:53:02 UTC No. 15891749
>>15891744
Probably someone horny about Mormon scifi designing them.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:58:45 UTC No. 15891755
>>15891744
They're on the right track, but the Tie needs to go. I mean, you can barely even fucking see the top of it anyway. Some kind of scarf would be better.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:03:37 UTC No. 15891757
>>15891749
the epaulets, huge gap in the collar, prominent tie + collar underneath, and lack of usmc-style piping complete fuck ussf the look
crazy
>>15891755
what like this gay ass pic related? no thanks should just be nothing, with a much smaller/nonexistent gap
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:03:45 UTC No. 15891758
>>15891713
Alright fine, thread question: What do (You) think the Space Force uniform should look like?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:09:50 UTC No. 15891766
>>15891713
try putting something space related as the picture
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:15:02 UTC No. 15891769
>>15891713
The collars piss me off somehow. Too confused.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:16:28 UTC No. 15891770
>>15891749
It's also meant to look like the star trek movie uniforms from the 80s
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:16:44 UTC No. 15891771
>>15891718
first episode finished
pretty good so far
wondering how the fuck they are going to rescue them now
also i really wish people were more willing to let astronauts/crew die
they were more than willing to die if they could even attempt going to the moon
same with mars in the future
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:18:07 UTC No. 15891772
The combined expansion plans of Chinese launch companies seem quite ambitious
Space Pioneer is building a factory with a stated final design capacity of 30 rockets and 500 engines per year. I assume it is for the TL-3, since the TL-2 uses YF-102 engines from CASC. Each TL-3 booster uses 7 engines. Their website says 10 times reuse. Each upper stage uses 1 engine. So this factory would support a launch cadence of ~300 per year. The TL-3 is 17t to LEO, so that would be 5,100t to LEO per year
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=Mj
CASC intends to ramp up production of Long March 8 to 50 per year. At 8t to LEO each, that would mean 400t to LEO per year. It would also mean a production rate of 200 YF-100 per year, which I assume could later be relatively easily converted to YF-100M/K for the Long March 10.
https://spacenews.com/china-looks-t
They also intend to greatly increase production of Long March 5B, while continuing LM6/6A/7/7A, implying even more engine production
CAS Space's factory has a final design capacity of 30 solid fuel rockets per year
https://spacenews.com/chinas-cas-sp
Landspace's factory is meant to build 30 rockets and 300 engines per year
https://weibo.com/7299821485/NqR7Qp
Orienspace say they have secured orders for hundreds of payloads
https://spacenews.com/orienspace-of
Expace's factory is intended to build 20 solid rockets per year
https://spacenews.com/chinese-comme
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:18:17 UTC No. 15891773
>>15891758
armored exoskeleton spacesuit
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:18:20 UTC No. 15891774
>>15891758
Nothing because it shouldn't exist as a separate service and neither should the Air Force
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:20:04 UTC No. 15891776
>>15891772
There are also other companies, such as Galactic Energy, iSpace, Deep Blue Aerospace, Rocket Pi, etc. Of these, at least Galactic Energy is well-funded
That seems like a lot of rockets and engines planned. And it seems like it would be hard to implement them all simultaneously because they would compete for labor and capital. Yet they're apparently building the factories. And they're building a lot of launch pads; I assume they will build more.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:20:55 UTC No. 15891777
>>15891744
It could be saved with a high collar. the cutout for the tie looks like ass
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:24:05 UTC No. 15891782
>>15891719
New glenn is a nice rocket
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:29:58 UTC No. 15891786
>>15891772
>>15891776
I don't see how this much launch capacity would make sense just to support the Guowang constellation of 13,000. Even with a 5 year lifespan, that's 2600 satellites per year. Even if a rocket can only take 20 per launch on average, that's just 130 launches per year.
I assume that the government has let companies know that either they're planning a phase II constellation of 42,000 like SpaceX, or that there are secret military space projects in the works, or both. In any case, that if they can provide the launch supply, then the demand will be there. Or maybe the companies are just being aggressive in expansion because they are hoping to cannibalize each other in terms labor recruitment and end up "taking it all".
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:34:22 UTC No. 15891789
>>15891786
Most of the companies will fail to produce working hardware and collapse but they keep Chinese people employed so Beijing keeps shoveling money at them.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:38:09 UTC No. 15891794
>>15891744
>>15891758
If they were going to go for the ~future~ look, UNSC uniform.
If not future, Royal Navy
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:39:18 UTC No. 15891795
>>15891794
White for special occasions
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:41:41 UTC No. 15891797
>>15891794
>>15891795
Or if you fancy some tradition in your space force.
Any actual crewed space ships should really fall under a similar force structure to the Navy of old, where communications had lag times of days and Captains/ Adms had much more independance
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:42:16 UTC No. 15891799
>Mars has a shitload of ice
>asteroids are water rich
>outer system moons are all iceballs
>Earth and NEAs provide water for lunar use
>the only places with liquid hydrocarbons are Earth and Titan
Space colonies will use steam engines (including nuke fed steam turbines) instead of internal combustion for things that can't be done with photovoltaics or electric motors.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:44:59 UTC No. 15891802
>>15891799
Hmm I wonder if it is possible to manufacture decent batteries with what is on the mars crust, without godawful amounts of infra needed, otherwise scaling up industry might be limited by battery production capacity
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:45:37 UTC No. 15891804
>>15891758
naked, as a true space guardian is already adapted to life in hard vacuum
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:48:14 UTC No. 15891808
>>15891782
New Glenn is NG
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:49:42 UTC No. 15891810
>>15891802
Aluminum-graphene batteries are currently BTRL4 (pouch cells) so yes.
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/alumi
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:49:53 UTC No. 15891811
>>15891802
scaling up industry might be limited by the fact that you cant survive otuside... ever thought of that?.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:50:16 UTC No. 15891812
>>15891789
Galactic Energy, Expace, Landspace, Space Pioneer, CAS Space and iSpace have all already launched payloads to orbit. And CASC of course. Orienspace's first launch is supposedly imminent.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:53:29 UTC No. 15891815
>>15891802
geothermal
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:54:18 UTC No. 15891816
>>15891786
I think its just entrepreneurs building companies and the state looking and it and letting capitalism play out
let the best companies win, much more effective than trying to control it centrally
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:59:31 UTC No. 15891823
>>15891811
That's a solvable problem. You can't survice underwater and we still have oil rigs. While I am aware that they are clearly different enviroments, there are engineering solutions to austere conditions.
>>15891810
Excellent, pull the carbon from the air and Al from the soil.
>>15891815
I was thinking more in terms of regolith haulers etc, stuff that needs to be mobile.
For "Grid" power I would expect nuclear to be the solution as the energy density + Materials cost is unparalleled.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:03:11 UTC No. 15891827
>>15891823
>You can't survice underwater and we still have oil rigs
correct. they are on the part of the planet above the water where you can survive. try making a whole society under the water before you try making one on mars.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:03:38 UTC No. 15891829
>>15891823
Nuclear also lets you do utility scale piped steam for heating, motive pressure, cleaning medical equipment, etc. effectively for free, whereas resistive heating sucks.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:04:17 UTC No. 15891831
>>15891827
>try making a whole society under the water
We should
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:09:39 UTC No. 15891838
>>15891827
>>15891831
we can't colonize the ocean floor because there are no indigenous people to displace :-(
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:09:43 UTC No. 15891839
I love how BO said SpaceX would take ~15 flights to refuel the Starship only for NASA to confirm this.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:10:23 UTC No. 15891840
>>15891829
District heating would also be a huge benefit of nukes, however I expect that something else might be used instead of water as the working fluid for it (I would expect a water cooled reactor design though as you want something with a lot of engineering exp behind it) Probably some sort of sub reactor derivative as those are already mass optimized to a degree.
>>15891827
I think the engineering challenges would be quite different, as you need a whole different class of pressure vessle. But the point being that we have people working in very harsh conditions (Saturation divers come to mind). I would imagine something similar for mars industry. Higher tech manufacturing/ machining taking place within a hab so that people don't need pressure suits, and then your "Divers" who go out and maintain the automated regolith plants and heavy industy that are controlled from within the hab, but are so large that the actual plant has to be outside.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:10:40 UTC No. 15891842
>>15891839
I love how Elon refuted it in a single tweet and you're still here being retarded
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:10:44 UTC No. 15891843
>>15891839
NASA went back on that statement
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:12:04 UTC No. 15891846
>>15891831
If we put enough under the water, and it rises then some tribe islands will get flooded. Win-Win
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:13:08 UTC No. 15891848
>>15891846
sounds like a solution. can we give them measles, too?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:14:28 UTC No. 15891851
>>15891848
Give them somthing actually fun, like Marburg or another VHF
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:15:02 UTC No. 15891852
>>15891827
but there is no reason to make a colony underwater
there are many reasons to make a colony on mars
๐๏ธ Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:15:22 UTC No. 15891854
>>15891840
industry cant take place in a hab because you will quickly kill yourself due to inhilation.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:16:24 UTC No. 15891855
>>15891771
>first women on the moon
i just realized that never happened
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:19:14 UTC No. 15891862
>>15891840
Other working fluids aren't going to be worth the expense if Mars has a permafrost layer.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:19:42 UTC No. 15891863
>>15891854
Breathing the same air as an electric lathe running won't kill you (Don't be a tard and try to breathe in chips though).
That's why I said dirty industries go outside the hab, and you can just vent to the martian atmosphere, Although you would probably want to capture any "waste" gasses anyay.
Finishing/Biotech/ anything that can be done at a smaller scale (like say polymer production etc can be done in or outside depending on what makes sense.
Don't try and do regolith refining in your bedroom basically
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:22:03 UTC No. 15891864
>>15891862
Yeah if the layer is readily mined then it would be perfect, I am thinking worst case/ Initial colony before any serious mining infra is set up
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:31:22 UTC No. 15891871
>>15891863
basically any useful industry at scale produces enough waste gasses to kill you in a hab
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:37:06 UTC No. 15891877
> Below 60 degrees of latitude, ice is concentrated in several regions, particularly around the Elysium volcanoes, Terra Sabaea, and northwest of Terra Sirenum, and exists in concentrations up to 18% ice in the subsurface. Above 60 degrees latitude, ice is highly abundant. Polewards on 70 degrees of latitude, ice concentrations exceed 25% almost everywhere, and approach 100% at the poles
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:38:25 UTC No. 15891879
>>15891877
> Proportion of water ice present in the upper meter of the Martian surface for lower (top) and higher (bottom) latitudes. The percentages are derived through stoichiometric calculations based on epithermal neutron fluxes. These fluxes were detected by the Neutron Spectrometer aboard the 2001 Mars Odyssey spacecraft.
> The Mars Odyssey neutron spectrometer observations indicate that if all the ice in the top meter of the Martian surface were spread evenly, it would give a Water Equivalent Global layer (WEG) of at least โ14 centimetres (5.5 in)โin other words, the globally averaged Martian surface is approximately 14% water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:38:53 UTC No. 15891880
>>15891879
>that red
hnnnngggg
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:42:25 UTC No. 15891883
Where would be the best location of an initial mars base? Colonization being the primary driver here, not research.
At this point the things you could take into account are solar power + ice I guess?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:44:23 UTC No. 15891886
>>15891883
Mariner Valley
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:46:54 UTC No. 15891889
>>15891816
>let the best companies win
You don't need this level of supply overcapacity to achieve competition. In fact, major overcapacity is detrimental to competition because it causes companies to fail that would have been viable under equilibrium market conditions. Hence why dumping is generally frowned on. Yet Chinese investors are still adding capital to the industry for some reason
>its just entrepreneurs building companies
Entrepreneurs can't do anything without investors, and investors generally invest for a reason, they don't just want to throw their money away
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:47:53 UTC No. 15891890
>>15891883
somewhere in the northern hemisphere, I think that's where surface ice is most prevalent? Also it's really flat, so landing starships is easier.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:49:30 UTC No. 15891893
New aerospace startup dropped, just saw this note from the founder on LinkedIn, Blackstar plans reusable satellites that reenter like space planes
https://www.spacedrone.io/
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kit-
>I am very excited to finally share the big news with you all. I have been secretly doubling as the CTO/ Co-Founder of BlackStar Orbital! (spacedrone.io)
>This technology has a long history with Christopher Jannette (CEO/ Co-Founder) and myself. We are developing a commercial micro-shuttle for delivery of cube sats to unique orbits off of a ride share. In plain english this would be described as putting ~1800m/s of deltaV onto a 20U/50kg payload. At the end of mission the spacedrone returns and lands. This vehicle generates no space debris and uses mostly COTS hardware for a cost competitive orbital insert.
>Currently we are raising funding for our first vehicle and launch. If you or someone you know are serious space investor(s), let's chat.
>So much more to share here but all in due time. Check out spacedrone.io for 'The Spacedrone Report' and updates.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:50:18 UTC No. 15891894
>>15891889
It's the Chinese government employmentmaxxing to stave off civil unrest like they've been doing since the 1980s. This sort of cartoonish oversupply is common to many Chinese sectors like housing.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:50:43 UTC No. 15891895
>>15891889
>investors generally invest for a reason, they don't just want to throw their money away
Didn't a bunch of people lose money on jpgs. of monkeys like a year ago?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:52:24 UTC No. 15891898
>>15891883
Somewhere with Ice close to the surface. Have some solar for initial steps, but then land a nuke plant and use mined water for district heating of the hab + Process heat for ore refining
>>15891871
Put the industry outside the hab, problem solved.
Plus things like "waste" gasses will be quite valuable for the relatively high abundance of elements in them. If it's carbon based very valuable, as it will be many times atmospheric pressures
Control room inside where people can work with normal clothes, and if anything breaks send someone out in a pressure suit to fi. Like how Oil rigs work now with divers
>>15891893
Basically a space tug that has a heatshield and parachute?
>>15891890
I imagine you could send a bulldozer rover first in a starship, that can land on a slope, and then can flatten the area + act as a radar beacon
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:54:04 UTC No. 15891901
>>15891898
I think it's more of a reusable satellite bus with deployable/retractable solar panels, like a tiny shuttle+spacelab with better endurance.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:55:36 UTC No. 15891902
Oh.. nooooooo....
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:57:16 UTC No. 15891904
>>15891902
cool, a random twitter link which I'm not going to click on.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:59:13 UTC No. 15891908
>>15891902
It is strange how they keep turning out to be pedos
>>15891901
I wish them all the sucess, however making it land to refuel does seem much harder than making them semi disposable.
>>15891904
Elon Saying pizzagate is real
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:02:10 UTC No. 15891914
>>15891894
I think China's steel overcapacity was indeed caused by a reluctance to fire employees with nowhere else to go. However, I don't think aerospace workers are the kind of people who have trouble finding employment in China.
I believe China's housing bubble was mainly caused by Chinese individuals' preference for saving in real estate. I don't think those are the kind of people who are investing in Chinese aerospace companies, they are not publicly traded I think.
I don't see why such launch capacity would be cartoonishly excessive, if you can achieve it at reasonable cost. Is SpaceX's 42,000 Starlink constellation cartoonishly excessive? China likely wants to be able to offer the world's countries the same level of service as America, so that America won't have leverage over them. And there are further military applications of such launch capacity e.g. ultra-high-revisit-rate ultra-low-orbit SAR constellation.
๐๏ธ Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:07:15 UTC No. 15891917
what the fuck
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status
elon has gone too far this time
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:07:22 UTC No. 15891918
>>15891774
retarded take
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:10:03 UTC No. 15891919
>>15891918
take? what did he take?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:12:54 UTC No. 15891920
>>15891919
my boiginity ;-;
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:13:01 UTC No. 15891921
>>15891902
>>15891904
>>15891908
Musk is dropping more /pol/ redpills, he cant stop getting himself in trouble. Not a good idea if he wants to be unobstructed
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:17:03 UTC No. 15891924
>>15891921
Musk wants to sabotage himself for an out.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:22:53 UTC No. 15891930
>>15891924
Musk is a rat, I hate him.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:26:20 UTC No. 15891932
>>15891924
>>15891921
He's a old style shitposter who also happens to be a billionaire, and he's started /noticing/ the pushback on certain topics.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:26:22 UTC No. 15891933
>>15891895
I don't think they spent money on jpgs, they spent money on NFTs uniquely associated with those jpgs, in the hope that NFTs would become a widely accepted store of value much like gold or art. Though I get your point; not every investment pays off and not every investment decision is wise.
However, the kind not retail investors. For example the kind of investors who are funding Space Pioneer are CITIC, CICC, China Construction Bank, and Zhejiang University.
>This round of financing is Tianbing Technologyโs 12th round of financing. As the first liquid rocket development company in commercial aerospace to achieve its first flight, Tianbing Technology has been established for more than four years. It has obtained investment from CICC Capital, Boyu Investment, CITIC Construction Investment, China Construction Bank International, Zhejiang University Lianchuang, Zhangjiagang Ecology Science and Technology City, Cointreau Investment, Guoke Investment, Inno Angel, Jiuyou Capital, Lushi Investment, Eagle Fund, Hongfu Assets, Zijin Investment, Tongtai Capital, Zheshang Venture Capital, Youshan Capital, Soochow Venture Capital With the continuous support of well-known investment institutions such as Paradigm Fund and Paradigm Fund, the company has received a total of more than 3 billion yuan in financial support.
http://www.spacepioneer.cc/news/det
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:26:44 UTC No. 15891934
>>15891901
Oh, is this going to be like a civilian micro x-37. Stick something in orbit test it then bring it back. Could be good for testing components since you can bring them back to review. Wonder if they will run into trouble getting reentry approval like Varda.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:28:07 UTC No. 15891936
>>15891935
is it just the culture at SpaceX to be a chud?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:30:33 UTC No. 15891941
>>15891936
underneath all the conditioning, everyone is a chud.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:31:20 UTC No. 15891942
>>15891935
>can't do anything about it
Turn off the bodycams and take a crowbar to his legs, I bet getting off drops a few pegs on that hobo's list of shit to do when his kneecaps are sideways.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:36:17 UTC No. 15891946
>>15891936
Chud gets results.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:38:17 UTC No. 15891949
>>15891936
>>15891935
The culture is getting results.
The police should be able to remove a guy wanking on the beach, and everyone knows that.
If pointing out that the people who hamstring them like this makes you a chud, you're going to make a lot of chuds very quickly.
See when they all got cleared out for Xi's visit.
>>15891914
I imgaine that their consstellation will also have some kind of tracking capability for maritime assets, as maintaining a reliable kill chain is a problem for China's area denial system cutrrently.
>>15891914
I would also say that an issue with the housing bubble was selling property that was yet to be built as well, fixing your income with varying future costs. That and building more apartments than people
Pic for my nukebros
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:43:42 UTC No. 15891953
>>15891936
SpaceX doesn't inherently have any DNC political castration cult running the business.
They have realists who say what they see without filters
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:43:51 UTC No. 15891954
>>15891755
>Some kind of scarf would be better.
based LoGH appreciator
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:47:23 UTC No. 15891958
>>15891893
>reusable satellites
the future begins now
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:50:17 UTC No. 15891962
>>15891713
US will never leave LEO let alone go to moon ever again.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:51:19 UTC No. 15891966
>>15891719
This kills the muskrat
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:51:21 UTC No. 15891967
>>15891952
that doesn't make any sense
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:52:07 UTC No. 15891968
>>15891949
>selling property that was yet to be built
That's just an interest-free loan from your customers. Indeed, excessive leverage was a problem with the industry, however it all happened because of projections for future prices which in turn where caused by the investor mania caused by the ever-richer Chinese investing their savings into the excellently performing investment of tulips... I mean real estate.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:55:33 UTC No. 15891973
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:57:22 UTC No. 15891975
>>15891904
>>15891902
it's about a journalist who was convicted for sex crimes against children. The only news here is that he was actually convicted.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:57:54 UTC No. 15891976
>>15891967
i rarely watch space content, mostly nsf and spacex live streams, so clear appearing out of nowhere means shes gaining traction in the spaceflight youtube community
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:00:09 UTC No. 15891981
>>15891976
you never clicked on a clear stream?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:00:31 UTC No. 15891983
>>15891962
Ah yes the mexican race
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:01:24 UTC No. 15891987
>>15891962
why is northern european one block, that is gay
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:02:09 UTC No. 15891990
>>15891966
A can of energy drink?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:02:20 UTC No. 15891991
>>15891983
la raza, if you will
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:03:35 UTC No. 15891992
>>15891981
i've clicked on music vtubers but not clear
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:04:53 UTC No. 15891994
>>15891983
It says the ethnic origins.
muh white race is fake and gay
Ethnicity matters.
The American founders were exclusively of North West European stock
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:05:59 UTC No. 15891998
>>15891996
https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/stat
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:07:11 UTC No. 15892000
>>15891996
Nobody is excited for space stuff anymore
Zoomers are all risk averse lame faggots.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:07:34 UTC No. 15892002
>>15891998
https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/stat
a long post about how (would be 4 screenshots or 4 posts if pasted)
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:13:22 UTC No. 15892009
>>15892000
ok millenial.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:13:48 UTC No. 15892011
>>15891968
This coupled with the base costs of building going up as well, squeezed from both sides.
Will the south sea company surv-?
Plus they are running out of infrastructure to build, basically a bridge across every valley now etc.
>>15891953
Exactly, they have engineers in charge, not the managerial class
>>15891998
>>15891996
People don't realise exactly how far a fully fuelled starship in LEO can go, and how fast.
Particularly a expendable "transfer" variant with no TPS/flaps etc if you want to get to Mars in a hurry or Jupiter without 10 years of gravity assists. No more planning Missions that will take 30 years to go from proposal to execution.
Things get a lot easier when you don't have to engineer them to survive a 10 year coast phase, and you don't have to use turbo autistic mass optimization. You don't need 4 redundant oxygen splitters when you can just take 50,000 litres of liquid oxygen with you and vent CO2 as needed
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:16:35 UTC No. 15892015
>>15892011
yeah, just throw more mass at it if you have a problem, seems to work pretty well
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:20:25 UTC No. 15892021
>>15891990
It's a real rocket. Not that a muskrat would know
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:24:14 UTC No. 15892024
>>15892002
> But there is a better way, and it even lets you skip crewed aerobraking with Starship. Suppose you had an Earth return vehicle (Orion, Dragon, Starliner, another Starship -- doesn't matter) waiting for you in high elliptical Earth orbit. Getting there from a 19km/s approach velocity would need ~8.5km/s delta v, but that part of the trip is short. You could get by w/ a small crew cabin, say a 2.5t one (~twice the mass of the Soyuz orbital module) that just needs to keep a crew of 4-6 alive for a few hours or days. A two-stage methalox vehicle (we're avoiding deep cryo b/c it's harder to make it long duration, and we don't need it) could pull that off w/ ~40t wet mass. Now you stick that on a 130t expendable crewed Starship (no flaps or TPS) and add a 2kt pusher Starship stage (tanker w/ a jettisoned nosecone and docking capability), and you've got a 4 stage vehicle that can take you all the way from HMO to HEO in ~45 days in 2035, w/ a large cabin for transit and a small cabin for final approach, that needs <4kt in HMO.
kek
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:24:30 UTC No. 15892026
>>15892021
>It's a real rocket
It seems to be missing quite a few bits for that.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:26:41 UTC No. 15892031
>>15892021
real in my mind
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:27:47 UTC No. 15892033
do we have any physical evidence of water on the moon yet?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:28:09 UTC No. 15892034
>>15892021
>It's a real rocket
Behold, a rocket
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:28:41 UTC No. 15892035
>>15892015
It will, while it won't go away entirely, being able to optimize for the kilo or even ton as opposed to having to account for every literal gram will have a profound effect. Costs for components will decrease, systems can become more robust etc etc.
Oh no we have power issues? Just throw up 50t more solar panels and you'd be sorted. Sure they won't be commercial ones as they will need cooling becasue you're in a vacumn but you won't have to engineer a whole solar cell architeture from scratch to be ultra light, you can just adapt an existing one.
There aren't many problems with the current scope of missions sugessted that can't be 85% fixed by throwing 100t at it
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:30:08 UTC No. 15892036
>>15892033
Yes, Hyrdated minerals and Ice in craters
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:34:37 UTC No. 15892044
>>15892036
Youre retarded if you think hydrated minerals means anything. the ISP is like 400 in vaccum.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:35:47 UTC No. 15892047
>>15892035
this is what people said about the space shuttle.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:38:00 UTC No. 15892051
>>15892034
>t. Diogenes of Boca Chica
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:38:41 UTC No. 15892053
>>15892036
Hydrated minerals are actually a point against water.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:44:34 UTC No. 15892060
>>15892044
For water production? You'd prefer Ice, but you could get it out of hydroxyl groups (As higher conc as 1000ppm). Obviously not optimal but might be necessary if you can't get to a crater.
Could be done with mirrors/npp heating. Not sure how specific impulse comes into this.
>>15892035
I am aware of my optimism, and this is if Starship is actually fully reuseable, unlike Shuttle which I would say is refurbiushable.
Even in a bad scenario (SS expendable, SH reuse) It will still be a paradigm shift, as 250t to LEO per launch would be insane. (Like all of SpaceX's 2022 upmass in 2 launches)
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:46:57 UTC No. 15892065
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:47:07 UTC No. 15892067
HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT JUST BLEW UP
WTF
APOLLO 23 JUST EXPLODED
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:48:39 UTC No. 15892068
>>15892067
Accidents happen
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:51:27 UTC No. 15892071
>>15892067
RIP the vested one...and those other guys
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 16:53:53 UTC No. 15892075
when will spacex invent a reusable launch site?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:09:28 UTC No. 15892094
I hate spacex
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:13:39 UTC No. 15892100
>>15891881
Can't wait to do this to Europa
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:15:20 UTC No. 15892104
>>15891902
Elon Musk talked to Jeffrey Epstein and showed him his rockets.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:15:53 UTC No. 15892105
>>15892099
this is the station?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:16:27 UTC No. 15892107
>>15892099
aeiou
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:16:51 UTC No. 15892110
>>15891949
Fission is not economical. Even France is shutting down their reactors. It's over.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:18:16 UTC No. 15892115
>japanese documentary exposing SpaceX construction techniques
Any idea of where can I find this?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:18:16 UTC No. 15892116
>>15891893
I don't get the benefit. Satellites are so cheap you can just leave them up there, and then once they eventually die (radiation, micrometeors, run out of propellant, etc.) you can send up a replacement, and the replacement can have better sensors/computers. The use case for bringing stuff back to earth has to be tiny, right? It'd just be for little samples of space dust? So the spacedrone would be useful for science, but not really a use case for industry? Or would the tiny satellites do demos of in-space manufacturing like Varda? Won't their business model die as soon as Starship comes online, because Starship can bring massive quantities of stuff back to Earth?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:18:25 UTC No. 15892117
>>15892110
France is shutting down reactors for non-economic foo foo greentard reasons.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:18:55 UTC No. 15892118
>>15891994
>The American founders were exclusively of North West European stock
funny how each immigrant makes huge contributions to America only for native Americans to be useless. The immigrant that will be enableing this moon landing session is Elon Musk
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:19:05 UTC No. 15892120
>>15892116
The idea is that you can bring back the hardware to study how it held up in space rather than just guessing based on telemetry.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:19:56 UTC No. 15892121
>>15892068
>One of these specs may possible be a human
It's over for the shuttle
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:20:10 UTC No. 15892122
>>15892118
Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were both of old American stock.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:22:53 UTC No. 15892126
>>15892117
>foo foo greentard reasons
a.k.a we can no longer steal Mali's uranium and USA doesn't let us buy from Russia
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:23:44 UTC No. 15892127
>>15891831
If you're looking for me...
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:25:23 UTC No. 15892128
>>15892126
They could buy from Canada, Australia, or other African countries just fine.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:29:19 UTC No. 15892134
>>15892126
Nuclearbros... I thought nuclear fuel was cheap and plentiful, yet a superpower like France can't get it...
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:30:20 UTC No. 15892139
>>15892134
I want to descent this staricase bros... take a bath in the forbidden pond
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:32:35 UTC No. 15892143
>>15892141
they were planning to land on Mars in 2020, I'm bot gonna be foolish enough to trust them on their word alone.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:35:26 UTC No. 15892150
>>15892110
Not according to the new strike price contracting, with wind costing mroe per MWh than nuclear.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/
Look at the diff between French and German Electricity prices, and how it is killing German industry.
France is shutting down reactors because they are old (and have delibrately not done maintance because they are due to be decom'ed). Suddently they are finding out that it's expensive and difficult to re-start up a manufacturing industry that you have squandered.
If they had had the politcal will to build a reactor since 1998 they wouldn't be experiencing the delays they have now
>>15892126
Mali Mines fuck all. less than 1% of global production, if that.
>>15892128
Exactly, many suppliers, and as so little is used the end cost of electricity isn't effected all that much
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:36:20 UTC No. 15892152
>>15892141
WE ARE GOING
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:36:20 UTC No. 15892153
>>15892126
>>15892128
they DO buy from canada, like 80% of their uranium came from canadel, mali was ALWAYS an insignificant part of that so antinuclearnigger just got BTFO.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:36:50 UTC No. 15892156
>>15892153
top zozzle
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:39:11 UTC No. 15892160
>>15892153
>>15892150
>>15892126
Kek, just checked Mali has a small deopsit of Uranium, which hasn't yet been exploited.
Someone has been reading too much afrocentric BS online.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urani
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:39:51 UTC No. 15892164
>>15891893
>Blackstar
why do they always go with these satanic evil sounding names?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:42:15 UTC No. 15892170
>>15892067
SENPAI has a way of killing off real people so their fictional replacements get the spotlight. Armstrong gets sidelined due to the crash, von Braun gets shitcanned because he was a Nazi, Gene Kranz dies in a pad explosion. The other historical astronauts straight up disappear until Sally Ride shows up for A Very Special Episode.
Try not to think too much about it.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:42:21 UTC No. 15892172
>>15892141
two weeks
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:42:49 UTC No. 15892176
>>15892134
they built a breeder reactor for reprocessing spent fuel, but then a Jewish communist (later a Green party politician) shot it up with RPG
he has gotten away with it btw
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:43:52 UTC No. 15892177
>>15892160
funniest part is that for the longest time mali DESPERATELY wanted to sell their uranium because they also want to make money, it's just the ridiculous amount of instability has been a huge turnoff for french.\
anyone peddling the exploitation argument is a fucking retarded (and i don't say this lightly) leftard niggercattle who needs to fuck off and die immediately.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:43:55 UTC No. 15892178
>>15892170
>SENPAI
uwu~
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:44:22 UTC No. 15892179
>>15892034
Bet you think your reeeaal clever posting that
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:45:24 UTC No. 15892181
>>15892176
a bold claim such as this requires a source
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:45:28 UTC No. 15892182
>>15892178
holy shit these just keep getting better. look at her breasts, her loose fitting shirt. omg
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:45:48 UTC No. 15892183
>>15892179
he is, blorgin's tube is at the same level of "being a rocket" as that empty cardboard tube.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:46:18 UTC No. 15892184
>>15892067
Go back to /tv/
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:48:02 UTC No. 15892188
>>15892177
Not surprised, would be a good injection of stable cash, and actually provide some stable employment for locals.
I am also not surprised that they fucked it, and no one wants to deal with an unstable mess of a country.
> How dare these Europeans come here and build roads and railways. We shall go our own way like Zimbabwe and South Africa as they have turned into liberated beacons of equal prosperity.
Crab Mindset
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:48:53 UTC No. 15892189
>>15892187
I can't visually process what's in those circles? am I retarded? Isn't this supposed to be a retro-reflector. And why haven't we installed retro-reflectors on Mars yet?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:49:02 UTC No. 15892190
>>15892181
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super
>Chaรฏm Nissim (21 November 1949 in Jerusalem[3] โ 11 April 2017 in Switzerland[1][2]) was an ecological activist and militant, and a Green politician. He was the perpetrator of a rocket attack on the Superphรฉnix nuclear plant, on 18 January 1982.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:50:55 UTC No. 15892193
>>15892190
Insane. And his dad was a literal bankster Jew.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:51:02 UTC No. 15892194
>>15892187
It is. A big part of why NASA is investing in laser comms is that "just allocate time on the DSN" is starting to be a real bottleneck for returning data from deep space.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:51:05 UTC No. 15892195
>>15892187
Missions jockey for DSN time quite often. The problem gets worse when there's an emergency, like the Capstone recovery or the Voyager shout.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:52:13 UTC No. 15892197
>>15891870
>Why is the exhaust green?
>
>https://x.com/firefly_space/status
Firefly's engine (and several others - notably SpaceX Merlin engines, Saturn V's F1 engines) use TEA-TEB, or Triethylaluminum Triethylborane, for the igniter. The high boron content causes a very characteristic green flame at engine startup.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:53:15 UTC No. 15892198
>>15892176
>it's real
kek. i hate them so much
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:58:21 UTC No. 15892207
>>15892198
>>15892190
Commies are a genuine threat to humanity at this point.
>Don't like Nuclear "Waste"/Spent fuel, and be a commie/ green mentalist
>Breeder Reactor turns it into enrgy for the people
>Fire RPGs at it
>Oh no we can't use this for power any more, fire up the gas/coal plants
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:58:42 UTC No. 15892208
>>15892179
He is objectively clever
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:59:24 UTC No. 15892210
>>15892207
Communism is applied Judaism.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:59:27 UTC No. 15892211
>>15891810
>graphene
even more of the meme than Q>1 fusion
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:00:29 UTC No. 15892214
>>15892210
no it's not. Do USA and Israel look communist to you?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:01:45 UTC No. 15892216
>>15892214
The US is in fact halfway slid into Communism at this point, focused most strongly in areas with disproportionate Jewish control. Israel has had literal collective farms (kibbutzim) since day one.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:01:55 UTC No. 15892217
>>15892207
I blame the KGB
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:07:30 UTC No. 15892224
>>15892207
>>15892217
>Ultrajew blows up nuclear plant
>blame commies
>blame KGB
good goys
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:07:45 UTC No. 15892225
>>15892219
pretty funny that Washington post is this extremely biased, making these fluff pieces for BO while they shat on SpaceX when they got the contract
lmaoo
its incredible
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:08:47 UTC No. 15892227
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:09:11 UTC No. 15892229
>>15892224
He probably was KGB. The (((Rosenbergs))) who started the whole damn cold war by giving nuclear technology to the Soviets were Jews.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:11:25 UTC No. 15892238
>>15892234
these are different each quarter, but SpaceX is so far ahead of everyone else that they look the same
https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/s
> Launches are one thing but the upmass continues to be the factor that far and away distinguishes SpaceX. How can anyone compete against them indeed.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:13:35 UTC No. 15892240
>>15892224
I don't think it's (them) as it's in Israel's direct and immediate interest to have a Europe that isn't dependant on Arab/Muslim Oil and Gas, which is why they are pronuclear, plus it gets them Nukes.
>>15892216
US is being hobbled by DEI/ Gay Race Communism. See the FAA now focussing on diversity of applicants for it's Air Traffic Controllers and not, competency (and ignore the near miss stats spiking please)
>>15892238
>>15892234
Upmass is king, almost a full order of magnitude than the rest of the world combined, and profitably at that
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:13:51 UTC No. 15892241
>>15892229
>>15892176
Can you recommend me any books on (them)?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:15:32 UTC No. 15892244
>>15892241
The International Jew, by Henry Ford
Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler
STS-51L Challenger report
https://sma.nasa.gov/SignificantInc
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:31:45 UTC No. 15892262
>>15891902
How can he consistently get more and more retarded? Just build the fucking rockets
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:35:11 UTC No. 15892266
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Y
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:36:17 UTC No. 15892269
>>15892266
>le 4chon meme in thumbnail
That's an easy avoid.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:41:01 UTC No. 15892273
>>15892242
why did they put that on the rocket if it was going to be such a big problem?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:42:27 UTC No. 15892274
What's the next step after chemical propulsion?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:45:59 UTC No. 15892278
>>15892266
why do you keep posting these old as fuck videos, this one is 3 years now lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:51:18 UTC No. 15892284
>>15892274
solar<chemical<electrical<nuclear thermal<magnetoplasmodynamic<fusion
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:57:41 UTC No. 15892289
>>15892182
It's not AI, a human drew that. AI can't even begin to approach the level of consistency between details in that picture. If an AI drew it, the crosshatched texture would be a vaseline smeared swirl of noise, the suit wouldn't be symmetrical, and the hair would try to turn into clothing.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:58:14 UTC No. 15892291
>>15892278
still as true now as it ever was. its prophetic.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:01:24 UTC No. 15892296
>>15892284
<<<hitching a ride on some rock
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:05:00 UTC No. 15892300
>>15892284
Based Project ORION appreciator.
What are your thoughts on the Nuclear Salt Water rocket?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:09:49 UTC No. 15892307
>>15892289
>t. stable diffusoid
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:15:59 UTC No. 15892318
>>15892300
Too complicated for what it is worth. He tries to make it sound simple but really until hot superconductors are invented it really is much more achievable and cost-effective in the long run to figure out how to make a pressure plate that can handle a nuke repeatedly than it is to design a new complex engine like this. Nuclear salt water rockets would work great if made I am sure, but they would also be seen by my grandchildren the same as we view SLS in these threads today. That is, a huge complex over-designed mess of a project designed by people who love making solutions looking for a problem instead of a solution for a problem
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:19:15 UTC No. 15892324
>>15892000
Fucking retarded gen X'er thinks that hasnt been the case for him and millenials. Holy shit youre delusional, the last generation to actually want to go to space was the boomers and silent generation who were the ACTUAL drivers of the space race.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:19:44 UTC No. 15892326
>>15892170
wow you weren't wrong
just got to apollo 24 and the fuckup after fuckup
christ
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:24:00 UTC No. 15892331
>>15892326
and it just keeps getting worse
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:24:24 UTC No. 15892332
>15892324
itt a retarded zoomer whos probably been addicted to porn since he was 10 years old tris to lecture me on generations as if hes more experienced.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:26:40 UTC No. 15892334
>>15892332
projection
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:33:23 UTC No. 15892338
cry more zoomie faggot, and take your leftist terms and STICK EM
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:36:29 UTC No. 15892343
ITT: zoomers going ZOOMY
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:45:29 UTC No. 15892350
>>15892110
It's only cheaper if you're able to fill in the gaps for free. As you account for intermittency, the costs add up fast.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:52:16 UTC No. 15892360
>>15892350
>It's only cheaper if you're able to fill in the gaps for free
I assume you mean the gaps created by the intermittency of solar and wind?
anyway If I'm reading this graph correctly natural gas is cheaper than coal which fails the reality check.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 19:53:40 UTC No. 15892361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz
> 2nd Tank 10:40 am 11/28/23
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:09:08 UTC No. 15892369
>>15892364
>>15892361
do you not have a life?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:11:06 UTC No. 15892371
>>15892369
fuck you bitch. I have 2 kids and a hooker on speed dial. what do you have?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:13:34 UTC No. 15892374
>>15892371
Money
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:16:02 UTC No. 15892376
>>15892318
>There is a different timeline where we popularized nuclear pusher plate space colonization as a method of nuclear disarmament and have already colonized the solar system
It hurts bros
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:31:38 UTC No. 15892400
>>15892307
no, AI is still just absolute dogshit no matter what engine you use. the biggest claim to fame they have currently is that they now get the correct number of fingers on a hand more than half of the time, but last I checked even a 3 year old can count to five
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:33:54 UTC No. 15892403
>>15892400
damn. i should hire a 3yo to do my product design
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:33:59 UTC No. 15892405
>>15892400
That shit was solved months ago, I'd post it but its all porn i've cooked myself.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:36:19 UTC No. 15892411
>>15892400
you WILL worship the AI.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:37:27 UTC No. 15892412
>>15892400
>now get the correct number of fingers
skill issue if you cant get it to gen perfect hands and feet every time. its easy nowadays and will only get better.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:42:10 UTC No. 15892417
Seven-minute hotfire test moves Europeโs Ariane 6 rocket closer to flight
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/
> The Ariane 6's inaugural launch, now scheduled for next year, has been delayed repeatedly since ESA approved the new rocket for development in 2014. The test-firing of the Ariane 6 main engine on a launch pad at the Guiana Space Center in South America last week was the most significant test not yet accomplished on the rocket's preflight checklist.
> The test lasted 426 secondsโa little more than seven minutesโwhile a full-size test model of the Ariane 6 rocket remained on its launch pad. In order for the rocket to actually take off, it would need to light its four strap-on solid-fueled boosters. That was not part of the plan for Thursday's test.
> Thursday's test was nearly a minute shy of the 470-second duration that ESA publicized ahead of time, but officials were satisfied with the result. Several times during the test, the nozzle of the Vulcain 2.1 engine swiveled to exercise the rocket's thrust vector control steering system.
> The Ariane 6 rocket was originally supposed to launch for the first time in 2020, but it's now running four years late. The rocket it will replace, the Ariane 5, made its final flight in July, leaving Europe without a rocket to launch its own space missions. That has prompted ESA and the European Union to look abroad to get spacecraft into orbit. SpaceX, a rival of the European launch service provider Arianespace, has won contracts to launch several ESA missions due to the Ariane 6 delays.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:44:17 UTC No. 15892419
>>15892412
mein Gott...is zat...?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:44:45 UTC No. 15892420
>>15892412
is this the microsoft AI?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:45:05 UTC No. 15892421
Amazonโs Project Kuiper nets first broadband partnership in Asia
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https://spacenews.com/amazons-proje
> TAMPA, Fla. โ Japanese satellite operator Sky Perfect JSAT and an investor in the company that also owns telcos in the country have partnered to sell services from Project Kuiper, Amazonโs broadband constellation set to begin launches next year.
> JSAT and Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation said Nov. 28 they will distribute Project Kuiper connectivity on Amazonโs behalf to businesses and government organizations in Japan, and telcos owned by NTT would also be customers to bolster their terrestrial networks.
> The partnership comes a month after the Japanese companies got certified to resell broadband to businesses in the country from Starlink, SpaceXโs low Earth orbit (LEO) constellation already in service with more than 5,000 satellites.
> Amazon envisages more than 3,200 satellites for its LEO system and plans to start deployments en masse in the first half of 2024 now that two Kuiper prototype satellites launched in October have completed testing. Initial services are projected for the second half of 2024, ahead of the companyโs first major regulatory deployment deadline to have half the constellation up by July 2026.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:45:59 UTC No. 15892423
>>15892421
Get fffffucked musk!! HAHAHAHA
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:47:54 UTC No. 15892427
New RL10 engine to be introduced on Vulcan in 2025
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https://spacenews.com/new-rl10-engi
> WASHINGTON โ A new version of a 60-year-old rocket engine, with performance and cost improvements, is expected to make its debut in 2025 on the Vulcan Centaur rocket.
> At a Nov. 27 briefing, executives with United Launch Alliance and Aerojet Rocketdyne, an L3Harris Technologies company, said they expected that the RL10C-X engine, the latest upgrade to the RL10, to make its first flight on a Vulcan launch some time in 2025.
> A major change for the RL10C-X is how it is manufactured. โIt relies heavily on additive manufacturing,โ said Jim Maus, vice president of program execution and integration at Aerojet. The current RL10 uses additive manufacturing to produce its injector, but the RL10C-X will use additive manufacturing to produce the entire thrust chamber.
> Aerojet has a contracted backlog of โnorth of 150โ RL10 engines, Maus said, including the RL10C-X and older versions. While that backlog is dominated by the ULA order of RL10C-X engines, he said deliveries of the older RL10 design are projected to continue to 2026, with overall RL10 production ramping up from a current 16 to 18 engines a year to 40 a year.
> After the retirement of the Atlas 5 and Delta 4 Heavy, the RL10 will be used by Vulcan as well as the Space Launch System. That rocketโs Interim Cryogenic Propulsion Stage uses a single RL10 while the Exploration Upper Stage (EUS), set to make its debut on Artemis 4 in the late 2020s, will use four RL10 engines. Maus said NASA has yet to decide if will use the new RL10C-X engine on the EUS.
> โWe continue to deliver very high reliability, very high performance, and the engine itself is very versatile,โ he said. โItโs great to be at 60 years, with a very long and bright future ahead.โ
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:48:55 UTC No. 15892430
>>15892423
a bit premature don't you think?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:49:07 UTC No. 15892431
>>15892427
Wow! Vulcan just keeps getting better! Named after the planet Vulcan?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:51:05 UTC No. 15892433
>>15892430
It's obviously a harbinger of thing to come. No shortage of smart people who have waited patiently for anyone but Musk. Their patience is being rewarded
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:52:01 UTC No. 15892435
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi
>NASAโs next missions to land astronauts on the moon will be markedly different from its last one in 1972. Instead of flying directly to the moon, the spacecraft will be refueled in transit โ an innovation that could transform the way humans explore the cosmos.
>In addition to possibly making regular trips to the moon less expensive, in-flight refueling could enable missions deeper into space. NASA is spending billions to help make the technology a reality: Earlier this year, the space agency awarded a $3.4 billion contract to Blue Origin, the venture founded by Jeff Bezos. Previous contracts worth about $4 billion went to Elon Muskโs SpaceX, which is scheduled to fly the first two missions later this decade, with Blue Origin to follow.
>But while SpaceX intends to refuel its massive Starship in low Earth orbit with a fleet of tanker spacecraft, Blue Origin proposes something different: a reusable lunar lander that will stay in orbit around the moon between trips to the lunar surface. The company also is working on a refueling spacecraft it calls a cislunar transporter that will carry fuel from Earth orbit to lunar orbit, where it will link up with the lander. (Bezos owns The Washington Post.)
kek
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:54:14 UTC No. 15892437
>>15892435
Incedible work by Jeff Bezos (and his team)
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:55:10 UTC No. 15892438
>>15892400
>AI has minor flaws
>Call it ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT because the only way people pay attention to you is if you exaggerate
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:57:52 UTC No. 15892440
>>15892118
All North Americans were immigrants too
Elon Musk is of same genetic stock
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:59:10 UTC No. 15892442
>>15892440
Elon Musk is native American?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:05:56 UTC No. 15892452
>>15892423
he will never get fucked and you'll never get that satisfaction. you'll still seethe in your old days, just like thunderfaggot, and still no closure
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:08:48 UTC No. 15892458
>>15892450
that is a big tank
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:10:06 UTC No. 15892461
>>15892431
60 years and great future to come
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:11:47 UTC No. 15892466
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:13:42 UTC No. 15892469
>>15892412
then why did it leave space for a sixth toe, huh?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:19:20 UTC No. 15892471
>>15892427
How long could an RL10C-X last on a reusable spacecraft with hydrologgs depots?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:20:00 UTC No. 15892473
Firefly to launch a Lockheed Martin satellite antenna demonstration, Space Development Agency satellites in low Earth orbit successfully broadcast data
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https://spacenews.com/firefly-to-la
> WASHINGTON โ The next launch by Firefly Aerospace, scheduled for December, will be an electronically steerable antenna payload designed by Lockheed Martin for a technology demonstration.
> Lockheed Martin in June announced it awarded Firefly a contract to launch a small satellite. The company on Nov. 27 disclosed it is launching a spacecraft of just under 300 pounds carrying a newly designed electronically steerable antenna. The payload was integrated on a Terran Orbital Nebula bus.
---
https://spacenews.com/new-military-
> SDAโs Tranche 0 satellites made by York Space established a space-to-ground Link 16 connection
> SDA is a U.S. Space Force organization building a space data network โ called the Proliferated Warfighter Space Architecture โ that includes a transport layer and a missile-tracking sensor layer. The agency aims to deploy an internet in space that can move data from satellite to satellite, and pass information to military systems on the ground, at sea and in flight.
> Charles Beames, executive chairman of York Space, said the successful Link 16 demonstration is a โbig deal,โ akin to the first time a cell phone connected to a cell tower and back. Once the Link 16 network is integrated in the Transport Layerโs laser communication backbone, โwarfighters will have assured global communications,โ Beames said.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:38:09 UTC No. 15892493
>>15892435
What
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:38:34 UTC No. 15892494
>>15892438
If you tell it "I want three clones of Taylor Swift exploring each other's bodies" it's an absolute crapshoot how many you'll actually get. It doesn't understand numbers at all.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:40:30 UTC No. 15892496
>>15891758
The uniform is fine. The problem is it's only ever worn by disgusting shapeless mutts.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:47:36 UTC No. 15892514
>>15892474
This is why Starship makes a great space station. Just launch it in one piece instead of 20 autistic Shuttle launches.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:52:21 UTC No. 15892521
>>15892002
https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/stat
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:53:11 UTC No. 15892524
Should I buy it?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3225456257
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:02:14 UTC No. 15892546
>>15892524
Yes, those things are fun. I have one I bought on Amazon in my window.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:14:52 UTC No. 15892568
>>15892474
https://youtu.be/S_p7LiyOUx0?t=59
makes me think space poledancers are gonna be a big thing in the future.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:17:46 UTC No. 15892570
>>15892568
Space tourism might be more popular than people realize when the general image is of sitting in a small pod, perhaps watching outside from a small window
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:21:29 UTC No. 15892574
>>15892546
Do you think it's gonna lose it's vacuum over time? I'm looking to buy something for a friend
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:22:22 UTC No. 15892577
>>15892574
>Do you think it's gonna lose it's vacuum over time?
My chemistry teacher in high school had one that was like 30 years old and still worked. As long as the glass is solid it'll be fine.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:28:34 UTC No. 15892589
ESAโs Long-Serving CryoSat Satellite Avoids Early End to its Mission
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/esa
> The European Space Agency has avoided an early end to its CryoSat mission after a fuel leak was detected aboard the satellite.
> CryoSat was launched aboard a Dnepr rocket from Baikonur in April 2010. The satelliteโs mission is dedicated to measuring the thickness of polar ice and monitoring ice sheets that blanket Antarctica and Greenland.
> After an investigation, experts at Airbus and ESA pinpointed the location of a fuel leak in one of the satelliteโs small attitude thrusters. The leak was initially small but increased over the years until it reached a stable rate that would have, if nothing had been done about it, brought an end to CryoSatโs mission by 2025.
> As of 2023, the satellite has 13 kilograms of propellant left, which is 13 kilograms less fuel than it should have based on the use of its thrusters. When the fuel drops below 5 kilograms, the satellite will no longer be able to remain in stable orbit.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:29:54 UTC No. 15892594
Ariane 6 Upper Stage Upgrade Passes First Testing Milestone
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/ari
> The European Space Agency and MT Aerospace have successfully completed an initial test campaign of a fuel tank that will be utilized aboard an upgraded Ariane 6 upper stage.
> With the aim of increasing the performance of the Ariane 6 launch vehicle, work on the Innovative Carbon ARiane Upper Stage (Icarus) began in May 2019. The stage will be lighter than the standard Ariane 6 upper stage that will initially be used aboard the vehicle when it is debuted in 2024. The reduced weight will enable the rocket to offer a greater payload capacity.
> Testing of the hydrogen tank for Phoebus is expected to begin in 2024. This will then be followed by testing of a full-scale structural demonstrator of the upper stage in 2025.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:34:16 UTC No. 15892606
>>15892521
https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/stat
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:36:05 UTC No. 15892610
>>15892606
HLS Starship enabled tech allows for NASA to do a boots-on-mars style mission that is within standard ISS mission lengths and within NASA radiation limits
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:36:42 UTC No. 15892613
>>15891758
Something between Coast Guard and Nazi uniforms but with a white and orange color scheme instead of black and red.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:39:33 UTC No. 15892619
>>15891744
They're part of the Department of the Air Force so their uniforms are going to take some style hints from USAF uniforms, especially the necktie.
The Space Force camo uniforms make me laugh but they're nowhere as dumb as the Navy's water camo.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:41:04 UTC No. 15892622
>>15892619
they should have a space camo uniform which is pajamas with stars on them
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:42:02 UTC No. 15892624
>>15892417
>non-reusable rockets
Whats the fucking point?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:42:31 UTC No. 15892625
>>15891914
>Chinese individuals' preference for saving in real estate
There's nothing else to invest in
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:47:09 UTC No. 15892633
>>15892622
Should have been rogg coloured to blend in with roggs
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:47:34 UTC No. 15892634
>>15892622
How about lunar pjs?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:51:02 UTC No. 15892642
>>15892176
>Hitler calls nuclear physics jewish science
>jews hate nuclear more than anyone else
What was meant by this?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:52:25 UTC No. 15892643
>>15892642
>Hitler calls nuclear physics jewish science
his blind hate lost him the war. no wonder he killed himself
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:56:22 UTC No. 15892650
>>15892649
Elon showed his rocket factory to Jeffrey Epstein, meanwhile Bezos showed his rocket factory to Lex Fridman
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:56:54 UTC No. 15892652
>>15892624
Geopolitics/military shit. They need SOME domestic heavy lift if they don't want to be Elon's bitch forever.
>>15892643
He was ALMOST right about the evils of judenphysicke, but he should have been focusing on general relativity instead of quantum mechanics. QM/QED was largely developed by white men, GR was (((Einstein))) and (((Minkowski)))'s baby.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:58:02 UTC No. 15892654
It's a really weird coincidence that France started colonizing one of the best places for orbital launches on the planet back in the 1500s. It got put to marginal uses over the centuries but in general consumed more resources than it provided. Then the space age arrived in the mid 20th century and, WOW!, France has this plot of land near the equator with large open seas to the east. Quite nice for them and for Europe, which has no naturally high quality launch sites.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 22:59:04 UTC No. 15892658
>>15892649
>>15892650
your constant faggotry is annoying. stop shitting up the thread
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:00:27 UTC No. 15892661
>>15892654
The UK and Netherlands also had territory in the same area; they just weren't autistic enough to cling to it.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:39 UTC No. 15892663
>>15892661
and of course Spain had just a bit of territory in the area until the 1800s
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:57 UTC No. 15892666
>>15892652
Why did white men decide to develop QM while Jews decided to develop GR?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 UTC No. 15892667
>>15892650
This anon speaks nothing but truth
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:03:11 UTC No. 15892672
>>15892666
Quantum physics solves real problems and GR is a bunch of mental masturbation that needs constant "fitting" to work.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:06:31 UTC No. 15892676
>>15892666
>>15892672
delusional
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:10:07 UTC No. 15892680
>india's air force is undergoing a change to become an air and space force
https://indianexpress.com/article/c
looks like more countries are joining the space warfare bandwagon. spaceflight continues to grow in many ways.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:10:45 UTC No. 15892683
While we're on the topic of relativity, I don't get how going faster than light automatically necessitates traveling back in time.
Imagine you're on a space station around Earth and you're looking at Mars. There's a ship in orbit around Mars which you are watching. The ship activates its whatever FTL drive and travels to Earth orbit, right next to you. Now you can see the ship right next to you and the ship in orbit of Mars. Obviously the ship is not actually at Mars anymore. If you were to send a signal or something to it, nothing would happen, because it's no longer there. However, to my understanding, relativity says that since you can see both of them at once that it means there actually are two of them in existence at the same time and that the one right next to you traveled back in time.
I feel like I'm almost certainly misunderstanding something here, because that just seems like a completely silly assertion.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:12:52 UTC No. 15892685
>>15892683
not spaceflight related
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:13:41 UTC No. 15892690
>>15892683
If you go ftl sufficiently far and fast, do a regular delta-v maneuver when you get there, then ftl back, it's possible to arrive before you left because the delta-v maneuver alters the plane of simultaneity.
In practice though you don't have to do this, or perhaps if you tried you'd run into your own wake in such a way that you'd be destroyed. It doesn't automatically rule out ftl.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:14:06 UTC No. 15892692
>>15892663
Yes, plenty of European powers had territory in South America but France was the one to hold onto it and it just so happens that tiny patch of clay makes for an excellent spaceport? I'm not suggesting /x/ but ok, /x/.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:15:17 UTC No. 15892694
>>15892690
>it's possible to arrive before you left because the delta-v maneuver alters the plane of simultaneity.
How so?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:17:31 UTC No. 15892699
>>15892689
What's the Mormon connection? I know though that a significant number of moon astronauts were freemasons. Anyway how is this fedposting
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:18:44 UTC No. 15892702
>>15892689
>>No mention of the Mormon connection
Does >>15891749 count?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:19:25 UTC No. 15892704
>>15892683
>I feel like I'm almost certainly misunderstanding something here, because that just seems like a completely silly assertion.
It's basically a bunch of people shouting "NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" because raising the possibility of effects preceding causes makes scientists cry. The recent physics nobel for proving that nonlocal causes of observed events are possible means that this assertion has been deboonked and FTL is back on the table whether through GR or QI or something else.
>>15892692
It's not /x/, it's the French national character to collect a bunch of tiny colonies in random places for prestige to own le brits. They have a colony in the St. Lawrence river, for example. They just got lucky with Korou being actually useful.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:20:17 UTC No. 15892705
>>15892694
That's what different reference frames do. If you're moving relative to someone else, your version of "now" a very great distance away is different than theirs. Time dilation and length contraction are both consequences of this fact.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:24:09 UTC No. 15892714
>>15891998
Woah, Starship is a Mars rocket!?!??!?
Well I guess this guy says you can do Starship Mars missions without in situ refueling. But like, why. The whole point is to colonize and set up infrastructure. Why expend this much brain power to turn it into a flags and footprints operation?
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:25:19 UTC No. 15892718
>>15892704
>The recent physics nobel for proving that nonlocal causes of observed events are possible
Yeah, this is another thing. Relativity just seems to get weaker and weaker with every passing day.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:27:21 UTC No. 15892721
>>15892718
I can't wait for your cope when the QI tape-outgassing satellite does absolutely nothing
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:28:45 UTC No. 15892724
>>15892714
I think its mostly to demonstrate what the architecture is capable of
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:29:26 UTC No. 15892725
>>15892721
There's not going to be any cope. It'll just be forgotten so hard it might be mistaken for a room temperature superconductor.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:29:38 UTC No. 15892726
>>15892689
Tick tock Musk
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:30:02 UTC No. 15892729
>>15892689
And this is where I'd put my core stage. IF I HAD ONE!
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:30:02 UTC No. 15892730
>>15892714
>Why expend this much brain power to turn it into a flags and footprints operation
It would be based, and even a relatively short stay would accomplish a lot. But yeah, isru would just be so much more efficient and is probably more feasible than whatever 30 launch mission profile he's cooked up.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:30:08 UTC No. 15892731
fluid hammer
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:30:45 UTC No. 15892732
liquid banger
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:31:23 UTC No. 15892733
>>15892721
>non-sequitur
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:37:20 UTC No. 15892745
>>15892704
>France taking territory and not throwing it away like all the other retarded European powers is le bad because it makes the brits mad
lol
lmao
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:39:17 UTC No. 15892747
>>15892726
>EDS
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:46:09 UTC No. 15892764
>>15892699
Mormon Thiokol's SRBs, the shittiest design of all proposals, were awarded the shuttle contract for being the lowest bidder and under duress from the Mormon deep state in Wasatch. They were the only design that had to be shipped to the cape in segments on a train... segments=o rings. Mormons did Challenger.
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:47:45 UTC No. 15892771
https://youtu.be/fQ3PIW3cqKc
must watch for any Tony Bruno / Vulcan BE4 fans
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:50:40 UTC No. 15892780
>15892772
>posting proven to be delusional SLS twitter stans in this general for (You)s
kys
Anonymous at Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:52:06 UTC No. 15892782
>>15892721
It works in vacuum chambers. Why wouldn't it work on orbit?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:01:24 UTC No. 15892801
>15892780
>asserting that hes proven to be delusional without evidence
kys
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:01:31 UTC No. 15892802
>>15892795
avi loeb already did, and discovered alions
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:03:19 UTC No. 15892803
>>15891758
>>15891744
Probably something akin to this jacket might do.
Old fashioned, yes, but the collar gap is not an
issue and they can futurize it from there.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:05:19 UTC No. 15892804
ULA is an American icon, we cant let them die
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:06:19 UTC No. 15892806
SpaceX can't be allowed to have a monopoly. They should be broken up if need be.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:06:35 UTC No. 15892807
>>15892804
Maybe they should be working on booster recovery then.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:07:05 UTC No. 15892809
>>15892782
>It works in vacuum chambers
By outgassing tape
>Why wouldn't it work on orbit?
Tape ran out
It would need a tape depot
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:07:12 UTC No. 15892810
>>15891777
>high collar.
Full mandarin.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:07:35 UTC No. 15892812
>>15892807
they are SMART
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:08:15 UTC No. 15892813
>>15892806
A natural monopoly is entirely permissible.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:08:40 UTC No. 15892814
>>15892809
That was Tajmar's bad-on-purpose design, not a capacitor-plate drive like all post 2019 QI thrusters.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:09:18 UTC No. 15892815
>>15892814
Any link to the new work? I never liked Tajmar
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:10:03 UTC No. 15892816
>>15892812
SMART is not smart. Relatively inexpensive, but not a good architecture. The real problem the traditional aerospace primes still have is leveraging whatever theoretical capacity a partial or fully reusable architecture of their own possesses.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:11:52 UTC No. 15892819
>>15892815
Here's the paper that established the design. IVO's thruster, the one on orbit now, is a direct descendant; so is the work McCulloch is doing on his own to improve N/We efficiency.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:11:55 UTC No. 15892821
>>15892807
LMAO at you. Booster recovery only saves SpaceX 10 million out of 62 million launch cost, as per THEIR OWN NUMBERS
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:13:00 UTC No. 15892822
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:13:13 UTC No. 15892823
>>15892819
Thanks will read
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:14:10 UTC No. 15892824
>>15892822
Your response other than feelings?
62 mil non reusable, 50 mil reusable costs
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:15:21 UTC No. 15892826
>>15892816
no demand
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:17:41 UTC No. 15892828
>>15892826
Which means as soon as someone who builds rockets can internally generate their own demand for fully reusable launch vehicles, there is no business case for their entire enterprise.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:18:45 UTC No. 15892829
>>15892824
You're a very stupid man if you think pricing directly corresponds to internal costs. We know from SpaceX's own numbers that the marginal reflight cost is $18 million.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:19:35 UTC No. 15892831
>>15892829
LMAOOOOOOOOO
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:19:36 UTC No. 15892832
>>15892821
I understand you're trolling, I do a good bit of it myself, but actually the marginal cost of a F9 launch is less than $15 million. Just don't want any newfag retards watching you and getting the wrong idea :)
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:21:20 UTC No. 15892834
>>15892832
>I understand you're trolling
It is not trolling. It is an unironic SLS / ULA/ BO stan
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:22:02 UTC No. 15892835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ3
IT'S UP
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:22:28 UTC No. 15892836
pure kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSf
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:23:14 UTC No. 15892838
>>15892772
is he wrong?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:24:16 UTC No. 15892840
>>15892809
we need to invent reusable tapes
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:24:22 UTC No. 15892841
>>15892795
Assuming a decade or two of advanced notice: using Starship with orbital refueling, put a really large probe into a Venus transfer and then get multiple gravity assists, ultimately putting the orbit out past jupiter, then do a massive inclination change so as to match the object at its perihelion. Then burn to match its velocity and land.
Without significant advanced notice you'd need an utterly absurd amount of dv. Maybe build a huge fuel depot/transfer stages capable of giving a small payload ~100 km/s at a Earth/Sun lagrange point and then wait for one to show up
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:24:43 UTC No. 15892842
>>15892838
By default
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:24:43 UTC No. 15892843
>>15892834
No it's not you gullible retard
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:25:50 UTC No. 15892845
>>15892835
I already posted this
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:25:53 UTC No. 15892846
>>15891935
lmao shut the fuck up
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:27:45 UTC No. 15892848
>>15892836
>4 year old video
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:30:18 UTC No. 15892853
>>15892846
>>15891935
He was the guy lmfaoooooo
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:31:03 UTC No. 15892854
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:33:49 UTC No. 15892858
>>15892854
what an ugly piece of shit redditor
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:34:29 UTC No. 15892860
>>15892846
Why does Mueller have an exceptionally large head compared to his shoulder width?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:34:52 UTC No. 15892861
Elon musk doesnt do anything. i cant imagine it, it's not possible, i hate him too much for that to ever be possible.
Gwynne shotwell does EVERYTHING at spacex. she a girl and the boss, girlboss, badass woman, she is the brains and succeeds at everything DESPITE elon shitlicker moron musk i HATE HIM I HATE HIM I HATE HIM
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:35:42 UTC No. 15892862
>>15892848
the original starship video is like 7 years old
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:36:47 UTC No. 15892865
>15892861
extremely low quality post
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:37:45 UTC No. 15892867
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:39:14 UTC No. 15892869
>>15892867
1 billion per year for existing lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:42:05 UTC No. 15892874
>>15892835
mfw new eagerkino
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:42:14 UTC No. 15892875
>>15892865
No need to get mad!
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:44:54 UTC No. 15892877
I'm glad that ULA gets a 60% share, they deserve it.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:44:59 UTC No. 15892878
>>15892795
Start with a Falcon Heavy launching in fully expended mode with an extended payload fairing . You use that to put your probe a GTO-equivalent elliptical orbit while stacked on top of a Castor 30XL booster. Lighting the Castor can get a 500 kg of payload up to solar escape velocity plus about 2.5km/s going in whatever direction you want.
That's great, but since Oumuamua.left traveling at solar escape +5km/s that's not actually going to let you catch up to it. To do that you're going to need the biggest ion sustainer engine ever and you're going to need to aim the probe inwards instead of outwards. Dipping in past the orbit of Mercury will let you get ten times the power out of standard solar arrays than you would get at 1AU. That'll put a lot more pep in the big Oberth maneuver you're pulling off and it lets you launch with conventional tech instead of trying to squeeze a reactor license out of Washington. The final probe design will weigh a bit more than 500 kg, but the slingshot makes up for it.
Then it's just a matter of catching up to the rock and landing on it using standard NASA RTG hypergolic built by JPL bullshit.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:45:01 UTC No. 15892879
>>15892854
I like it when he interacts with clear on twitter
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:46:59 UTC No. 15892880
>>15892877
>>15892854
we are posting in a blessed thread. ula chads are feeling good about be-4
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:50:57 UTC No. 15892885
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:52:08 UTC No. 15892886
>>15892885
I hate commercial potimized low energy launchers. Felon Musk wants to 'go to mars' with a low energy leo transporter and its fucking hilarious.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:54:03 UTC No. 15892890
>>15892885
HIGH ENERGY
OPTIMIZED
>when I see an unoptimized rocket
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:54:50 UTC No. 15892893
BE-4 uprating is inevitable and likely will blow the shit out of Raptor. Remember, the basic least powerful BE-4 is 2.4MN thrust. Raptor is still not acheiving that in production, barely 2.3MN.
Uprating BE-4 could send it screaming past 3MN of thrust, and sets up New Armstrong to acheive absolute gargantuan size, minimum 12m but possible up to 18m diameter.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:55:10 UTC No. 15892894
>>15892885
>Climbs to LEO
>Transits from LEO
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:55:16 UTC No. 15892895
>>15892652
his experiment was sent up a few weeks ago right?
where's the data?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:56:37 UTC No. 15892898
>>15892885
> Vulcan is nice for high energy or planetary missions if the payload is on the light side, but can't compete with Falcon Heavy for big payloads
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:56:53 UTC No. 15892899
>>15892110
France is an African country.
The French are not a spacefaring nation.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:58:06 UTC No. 15892901
>>15892885
Exactly why Starship will never launch a single government payload. Think: would you rather ride a public bus to space or a limo?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:59:19 UTC No. 15892905
>>15892898
both falcon and heavy work for GTO and GEO, neither is clearly automatically better as it depends on the specific mission
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:00:29 UTC No. 15892907
>>15892905
I mean both Falcon and Vulcan
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:00:50 UTC No. 15892908
>>15892895
Lets just say hes ready to rope.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:00:51 UTC No. 15892909
Starship needs to refill in LEO 16 times to reach GEO
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:01:57 UTC No. 15892910
>>15892895
they lost communication before it could be proven one way or another
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:03:10 UTC No. 15892914
>>15892905
lmaooo
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:03:33 UTC No. 15892916
>>15892115
No idea what exactly you're looking for, but I found this:
ในใใผในXใฎใใใฎใฅใใใใฎ็นๅพดใฏ?ไฝใใใใใฎใ?
https://10mtv.jp/pc/content/detail.
It seems to have 7 episodes
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:03:34 UTC No. 15892918
>>15892909
YOURE FUCKING WRONG, IT TAKES 4 REFUELINGS TO LAND ON THE FUCKING LUNAR SURFACE BITCH
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:05:31 UTC No. 15892921
>>15892898
Capacity is a minimum, not an optimum. If Falcon Heavy is the cheaper option, the ability of other rockets to more closely meet the mission requirements is irrelevant.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:08:08 UTC No. 15892924
>>15892841
>using Starship with orbital refueling
No, using Super Heavy with orbital refueling.
Imagine at pericythe, when all 33 raptors light up and thrust like absolute hell.
Peak Oberthmaxxing.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:09:23 UTC No. 15892927
>>15892893
A BE-4 is more than twice the size of a Raptor, that they produce comperable thrust is just embarrassing for BO.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:10:13 UTC No. 15892928
>>15892739
god, this parody is so ham handed. There is no way they'd pick a youtuber like Tim Dodd for this mission!
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:11:25 UTC No. 15892929
>>15892909
It really triggers people with EDS when they find out how much Starship can deliver to GTO without refueling.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:14:26 UTC No. 15892934
SpaceX Acquires Parachute Maker Pioneer Aerospace for $2.2 Million
https://www.theinformation.com/arti
don't have access to the article and archive doesnt seem to work, but I guess they just acquired their supplier that was about to go bankrupt
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:15:44 UTC No. 15892939
>>15892929
how much is it?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:19:13 UTC No. 15892942
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:19:25 UTC No. 15892943
>>15892784
what is it about the N1 that tricks artists into drawing the full stack in space? you don't see the same with shuttle or saturn V or any other rocket really.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:19:58 UTC No. 15892945
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:22:25 UTC No. 15892949
>>15892928
They did pick him though
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:23:46 UTC No. 15892955
>>15892943
the first time was just retardation. the second time was copycat retardation
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:25:48 UTC No. 15892960
>>15892949
thats not possible
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:26:03 UTC No. 15892962
>>15892953
True. its just embarassing retardation and corporate grift at this point by both SpaceX and ULA
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:27:02 UTC No. 15892965
>>15892214
Does Karl Marx look Jewish to you?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:28:05 UTC No. 15892967
>>15892953
>refueling
it will be easy. the hard part is getting a new rocket to have any respectable cadence.
it has taken years with falcon and nobody else has done it.
>>15892962
you're a retard
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:29:30 UTC No. 15892968
>>15892945
Topkek yup
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:29:37 UTC No. 15892969
>>15892967
>respectable cadence
it's been "operational" for less than a year and already has like 5x the cadence of SLS
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:30:45 UTC No. 15892971
/sfg/ is going to get really bad in here when Blue Glenn/Vulcan succeeds
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:31:56 UTC No. 15892976
>>15892241
Daemonologie, In Forme of a Dialogue, Divided into three Books: By the High and Mighty Prince, James &c.
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epu
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:34:15 UTC No. 15892979
>>15892795
There was a paper on this involving a Jupiter gravity assist I think
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:35:06 UTC No. 15892983
>>15892886
your post made me imagine SpaceX doing a Mars or interplanetary Transporter mission with Starship.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:35:52 UTC No. 15892985
Do you ever think about what people from other generals on other boards think when they make a wrong turn here?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:36:59 UTC No. 15892986
i havent stopped farting, i think i have a setious problem
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:37:02 UTC No. 15892987
>>15892412
just tell it you want six fingers and it will give you five
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:38:45 UTC No. 15892990
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:39:41 UTC No. 15892991
>>15892412
any more images of her?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:41:20 UTC No. 15892994
>>15892971
it will be a division between sensible people and musklets who need to see other people fail. already is this division to be fair, and yet anyone whondoesnt praise melon gets called a troll
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:43:06 UTC No. 15892996
>>15892994
we'll just need to fight back twice as loud
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:43:40 UTC No. 15892999
>>15892991
there are more but I can't post them because I will quickly get banned for spamming nazi frau feet
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:45:00 UTC No. 15893000
>>15892999
frustrating. i will meet you on a board of your choosing, unless you know the sauce.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:47:27 UTC No. 15893003
>>15892469
I believe that's how Germanic female feet typically look. the AI will be racist in ways we cannot begin to imagine.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:48:04 UTC No. 15893004
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:55:10 UTC No. 15893013
>>15893000
Unfortunately I'm now phone posting so don't have access to the pics to share, but I may spam some in the /g/ /de3/ thread tomorrow. If we meet again on this board when I'm not phoneposting I will be happy to share more. When I'm feeling in a reproductive mood I gen pics of that nature until the business is complete, so I have a lot of good ones of different girls in the same pose
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:02:47 UTC No. 15893020
>>15892994
>implying you're not constantly posting about how you want see starship fail
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:03:40 UTC No. 15893022
>>15893013
your self sufficiency is inspiring. indeed we shall meet again
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:12:09 UTC No. 15893034
>>15893013
What's the prompt for that photo style, particularly the colour quality
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:18:45 UTC No. 15893043
>>15892965
Yes
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:18:49 UTC No. 15893045
>>15893040
I'm afraid the scientists have forced my hand
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:18:49 UTC No. 15893046
Europe turns to competition to improve its launch industryโs competitiveness
---
https://www.thespacereview.com/arti
> European officials have acknowledged for months that the continent is in a โlauncher crisisโ caused by problems with new rockets like the Ariane 6 and Vega C (see โA crisis and an opportunity for European space accessโ, The Space Review July 10, 2023). But sometimes it seems like any mode of transportation in Europe is fraught with difficulty.
> ArianeGroup, the prime contractor for the Ariane 6, has its own concerns about the proposed competition. โEurope needs to get sorted on how it organizes this competition,โ said Pierre Godart, CEO of ArianeGroup Germany. โWe have a little bit of time, but not too much.โ
>He suggested that Europe not simply copy the launch competitions used by the U.S. government. โItโs never successful when we make a one-to-one copy,โ he said. โWe will have to find our European way forward, which is different from what we had in the past.โ He didnโt elaborate, though, on what that โEuropean wayโ would look like.
> โI cannot choose my supplier. It is decided,โ Godart said, referring to georeturn. โEven if I have suppliers who are not performing, I cannot change them.โ
> Gรฉraldine Naja, ESAโs director of commercialization, industry, and procurement, acknowledged in a presentation at Space Tech Expo Europe the concerns about georeturn and how it might be applied to future launch competitions, saying only that the agency was looking is how it might โevolveโ that policy. โIt must be in the direction of good competition and good competitiveness,โ she said.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:19:00 UTC No. 15893048
>>15893034
I think the color style comes from the combination of the terms 'vintage' and 'color'.
Because of the 1940's context of the picture it will generate in black and white by default. And adding 'color' seems to give it a stylized look as if it's a black and white photo that's been colorized by a historian. I find that adding terms like 'warm' and 'picturesque' can help too. Good luck!
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:26:25 UTC No. 15893061
>>15892412
Sir, this is /sfg/
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:31:17 UTC No. 15893071
>>15893061
ITS OVER.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:35:56 UTC No. 15893080
>>15893062
not interesting
>>15893070
>what's it gonna say?
look at the letters in your photo and spell it out you lazy voyeur moron
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:39:15 UTC No. 15893087
>>15893080
I'm illiterate tell me what it says
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:42:01 UTC No. 15893096
>>15893087
brapbarn
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:44:10 UTC No. 15893101
>>15893087
looks like they just finished setting it up, not sure the meaning
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 02:48:54 UTC No. 15893105
>>15893048
Thanks for the tip! Works great
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:00:03 UTC No. 15893124
>>15893105
what the fuck
singularity when please
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:06:55 UTC No. 15893132
>>15892412
is this considered plagiarism?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:17:46 UTC No. 15893143
saving these and xeeting them at zubrin
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:26:46 UTC No. 15893154
I dont think wernher von braun is in the training set fellas. why cant this shit generate realistic rockets? trained on too many gay fantasy rockets
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:28:23 UTC No. 15893158
>>15893152
ARS Berger?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:30:22 UTC No. 15893162
>>15893152
EHOLE
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:36:25 UTC No. 15893171
>>15893162
I'd be down the commense insertion burn into one of those if you understand where I'm going with this
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 03:49:46 UTC No. 15893186
>>15893070
N... I...
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:08:40 UTC No. 15893203
>>15892184
Stop front to /vt/
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:29:14 UTC No. 15893220
>>15892207
>Commies are a genuine threat to humanity at this point.
the red plague has always been a dysgenic centric movement. big reason it gained so much ground in degenerate backwaters like russia in the first place (revolutionary movements were active pre war decades)
what is concerning the amount of gullible pinko retards that keep falling for its fairy tales generation after generation. despite the mountain of evidence showing what kind of devils deal it really is
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:34:55 UTC No. 15893225
>>15892207
Didn't commies build nuclear plants literally fucking everywhere in eastern Europe?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:37:43 UTC No. 15893227
>>15893220
Communism has always been about taking a perceived aristocracy and fixing it by replacing it with a real one that's even worse. People love this because it appeals to the kind of weirdo who believes they would be the enlightened tyrant who creates utopia if only they were given absolute power. "Of course I'm going to be one of the inner party," they say. They're adults who never outgrew being the fourteen year old who thinks they know better than their parents.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:40:07 UTC No. 15893230
>>15893186
NICE BOAT !
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:45:53 UTC No. 15893235
>>15893124
Soon, brother
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 05:05:47 UTC No. 15893253
>Dragonfly delayed a year
So it beginsโฆ
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 06:22:09 UTC No. 15893303
>>15892309
What the hell is their obsession with CGI
It actually makes me angry
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 06:24:43 UTC No. 15893305
>>15892412
yoooo now even photographers are on suicide watch
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 06:26:10 UTC No. 15893307
>>15893305
I'm so happy! Photography is the one artform that really needs to fucking die. It's even more talentless than AI. Le click a button... No prompting, no curating, nothing? Fucking losers.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:18:36 UTC No. 15893356
Times like this with the budget tightening and inflation make me with Big Jim was still in charge at NASA. Every time Ballast gets in front of Congress for a hearing or whatever he just says China China China and no one in Congress gives a shit. Jim was so much more energetic and eloquent when working with Congress. He was strong, and it almost got him fired. Ballast is a wet blanket on death's door, completely MIA
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:20:00 UTC No. 15893358
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:26:05 UTC No. 15893369
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:48:04 UTC No. 15893390
>>15893250
It's over. Rocket is arse.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:55:43 UTC No. 15893395
>>15893356
I'm waiting for a public statement about the MSR cancellation any day now. Dragonfly got delayed again. JPL is on suicide watch.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:00:20 UTC No. 15893399
>>15893395
https://www.nasa.gov/usersadvisoryg
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:00:37 UTC No. 15893400
>>15893395
Fuck dragonfly for not going to the lakes. I HATE PLANETARY PROTECTION
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:04:57 UTC No. 15893406
>>15893395
I wish NASA would swallow their pride already and announce SpaceX will launch Dragonfly to Titan. There is no way all the budget is going into just that drone and not the launch vehicle. That must be what they are having issues with. This is the only upcoming NASA mission that matters to me, nobody cares about fly-by probes
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:07:34 UTC No. 15893409
>>15893400
Same with Perseverance being sent to the dry deltas for again. Fuck that shit make one that can drive on the mountains and canyons. NASA plays it so safe it is frustrating. I know why but still frustrating
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:11:32 UTC No. 15893412
>>15893400
Another Dragonfly hater? My efforts in /sfg/ are finally paying off...
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:14:36 UTC No. 15893416
>>15893412
hated it ever since they announced the launch date was 10 years away. I'd be old when it finally got there, and it just gets more disappointing the longer we go
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:56:31 UTC No. 15893474
>>15892945
Fuck, he got us sisters...
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 09:15:47 UTC No. 15893498
>>15893061
gross
you could have posted Ellie's slampig trotters instead
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 09:22:23 UTC No. 15893508
>>15893498
Honestly cant decide which is more gross. instead can we post pierced nipples please? thank you
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:08:11 UTC No. 15893558
>>15892764
lol this shitshow of a company builds USA's ICBMs
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:10:11 UTC No. 15893562
>>15892772
NASA should be focused on a permanent lunar base, Gateway is here to lead them astray
>>15892795
Technology is increasing exponentially, yet Uuamuamua's distance is only increasing linearly, therefore, we'll catch up to it.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:13:42 UTC No. 15893569
In the future if we ever get an interstellar object we should just crash a spacecraft into it. And then later come visit some of the collision pieces.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:21:44 UTC No. 15893577
>>15892772
wtf I love spacegay5 now
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:23:14 UTC No. 15893579
>>15893400
>you have to use special methods not to bring life to Mars so we can determine in the future if life already exists there
>no we don't have plans to determine if life already exists there using these methods, that sounds impossible
>just stop doing useful missions and bend over backwards for no reason forever, ok?
This whole concept is dumb. Shit or get off the pot. Work towards finding this out or accept that we're just never going to know exactly.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:25:01 UTC No. 15893581
>>15893579
Not to mention the fact that Mars life could be so distinct there wouldn't be trouble differentiating it even if we contaminated the entire thing.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:27:03 UTC No. 15893583
>>15893577
>>15892838
>>15892945
Lunar gateway is not a good idea. Remember when NASA was saying it was 'a stepping stone to mars'? It's purpose is to be a boondoggle like the ISS which survives due to international obligations. It's nice to have another space station, but lunar gateway is probably the worst you could get.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:32:00 UTC No. 15893589
regulators are being retarded again, they want forms in triplicate to two different agencies if anyone does ANYTHING in space.
https://spacenews.com/industry-grou
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:35:03 UTC No. 15893594
>>15893586
I say return to best korean style feudalism. Most versatile and resilient style of government.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:35:50 UTC No. 15893597
>>15893583
Sure, but at the end it's something needed if they want for moon missions to continue.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:37:45 UTC No. 15893600
>>15893594
So resilient to chance that it can't yet do what space powers did 60 years ago. Even the things it does are based on handed down or copied knowledge. Impressive.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:38:02 UTC No. 15893602
>>15893498
Her face is hideous.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:40:57 UTC No. 15893608
>>15893589
We warned you about Biden. You didn't listen.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:42:31 UTC No. 15893611
>>15893607
nice, saved.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:43:01 UTC No. 15893612
>>15893600
>Even the things it does are based on handed down or copied knowledge
That's literally the case for everything non-whites do.
There's your Fermi Paradox solution right there. A whole galaxy of brownoids.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:43:51 UTC No. 15893613
>>15893395
>>15893406
I hope MSR gets cancelled. It's been stealing money from the real science.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:45:24 UTC No. 15893615
>>15892002
I respect the math but saying that 'NTR is unproven and we should stick with mature technology' on the heels of the first starship launch is against everything starship stands for. Starship is only the beginning of the next wave of technologcial innovation.
This is equivalent of someone excited for the release of the model T, and saying that all other cars in development should be cancelled because the model T is better than anything we had before.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:46:32 UTC No. 15893616
>>15893615
With how nuclear technology is regulated, it's just never going to happen. Maybe on another planet.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:46:49 UTC No. 15893617
>>15893611
i went through so many variations, but ultimately decided this was closest to my vision
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:47:27 UTC No. 15893619
>>15893253
>>15893395
Imagine building a groundbreaking mission such a Dragonfly on budget and on schedule, only to be forced to delay it become of the MSR moneypit. At least my other two favorite missions JUICE and Clipper are on schedule. Anyway it's not too late to cancel MSR now.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:47:39 UTC No. 15893620
>>15893616
The solution is to remove the regulators by dropping Starships on them.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:49:35 UTC No. 15893626
>>15893616
It's already happening, contracts have been signed. People pissed themselves when cassini launched with an RTG, and now it's commonplace. And there is already precedent for launching full nuclear reactors into space.
The reason NERVA was cancelled was due to Nixon and him wanting to cut costs due to Vietnam, not because the technology was flawed (in fact it was ready to be flown)
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:51:50 UTC No. 15893634
>>15893626
the contracts are going to oldspace companies which need a new grift. I'm sure you'll understand my skepticism at the idea that anything comes from that.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:51:56 UTC No. 15893636
>>15893615
>saying that all other cars in development should be cancelled because the model T is better than anything we had before.
This was Henry Ford's attitude up until 1923
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:53:09 UTC No. 15893638
>>15893616
>>15893634
Remember these guys? No? Exactly my point.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:55:00 UTC No. 15893644
>>15893638
the current US plutonium stores are now basically nonexistant
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:55:25 UTC No. 15893645
>>15893616
NTR is a meme technology, barely better than chemical rockets, yet it's gonna cost 10 times more.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:55:40 UTC No. 15893648
>>15893636
And if he had his way we would have no corvette stingray, or tesla or whatever your car of choice is (I guarantee you aren't daily driving a model t). The point is that if you were to apply this guys logic to the starship program in 2016, we would have no starship, because solids and isogrids are 'proven technology.'
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:57:37 UTC No. 15893651
>>15893644
The reactors dont run on Plutonium-241.
NERVA used highly enriched uranium for example. And besides they are restarting production anyway
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:58:10 UTC No. 15893652
>>15893369
cameras r now obsolete, u can just ask siri to dream up a memory of this moment and she will create a beautiful depiction of u and your family fishing or whatever it is you're doing
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:59:07 UTC No. 15893654
>>15893652
why dont we just use midjourney to generate the trappist-1 atmospheric spectra
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:59:12 UTC No. 15893655
>>15893645
I would say easily worse than chemical thanks to poor mass fraction and cost. its iteration speed is worse than a carbon fiber starship, and the NRC does not take kindly to innovation in the nuclear reactor design.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:00:16 UTC No. 15893656
>>15893655
Just because you couldn't be bothered to do a 10 minute burn in KSP, it doesn't mean the technology isn't viable
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:00:35 UTC No. 15893657
>>15893655
The NRC can take kindly to this dick. Total bureaucrat death.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:02:19 UTC No. 15893660
The bureaucrat loves his NTR. Yet the real interplanetray transportation system is being developed by spaceX
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:02:21 UTC No. 15893661
>>15893656
it's politically and economically not viable thanks to decades of fucked governance. doesnt matter if it's a silver bullet or not, you might as well blow your brains out than deal with that red tape
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:04:55 UTC No. 15893663
>>15893660
>>15893661
NTR and Starship aren't competing?? I like both. In fact a nuclear thermal starship would be incredible. Raptor and methalox in general are the swansong of chemical propulsion
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:05:21 UTC No. 15893665
nuclear powered ion thrusters are a silver bullet
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:07:19 UTC No. 15893666
>Dragonfly would've launched in 2.5 years if it was not for the delays
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:08:29 UTC No. 15893669
>>15893663
Nuclear thermal Starship would be worse because you lose the absurd thrust of Raptor, mass ratio shrinks due to no LOX, and you can't land the thing on Earth.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:09:36 UTC No. 15893671
>>15893663
I didnt mention chemical propulsion and it didnt factor into my answer at all. Unironically fusion rockets may leapfrog nuclear thermal due to red tape alone. At least you can iterate on a fusion engine quickly without the NRC crawling up your ass
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:09:48 UTC No. 15893672
>>15893669
Nice argument, but unfortunately I have already depicted Nuclear Thermal Propulsion as the sleek modern FDR bullet train, and chemical propulsion as the old coal train
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:10:46 UTC No. 15893674
>>15893672
>he thinks NTR doesn't exhaust gases
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:12:24 UTC No. 15893678
>>15893671
Just 2 more decades until the first viable fusion reactor bro, please bro just one more tokomak please. Just this one more and then it will generate power bro please
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:14:23 UTC No. 15893680
>>15893678
2 decades for a viable fission reactor too, dont forget
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:14:24 UTC No. 15893681
stopping MSR would allow us to:
-bring Dragonfly back on schedule
-fund Uranus orbilander
-bring Veritas back on schedule
-increase DSN capacity
-make a Mars relay orbiter
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:16:03 UTC No. 15893684
>>15893681
just defund robotic missions completely, and forget all that shit. fund hunan exploration only, the robots had their fucking chance
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:16:16 UTC No. 15893685
>>15893681
We can return the mars samples by picking up the canisters ourselves and taking them home in starship
fuck uranus orbilander tho
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:17:31 UTC No. 15893687
>>15892895
It was part of a bigger missions so they were doing other shit first, the memedrive is slated to be tested in december so it's probably gonna be a bit longer yet.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:17:33 UTC No. 15893688
>>15893680
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NERVA
>Although NERVA engines were built and tested as much as possible with flight-certified components and the engine was deemed ready for integration into a spacecraft, they never flew in space.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:19:41 UTC No. 15893690
>>15893688
so whats the deal? why was a nerva test article never flown on space shuttle?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:20:17 UTC No. 15893694
>>15893688
Just 2 more decades and Blue Origin and Lockheed Martin will finally finish building your NTR. That will be a few trillion plus tip
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:21:34 UTC No. 15893697
>>15893690
LH2 on shuttle payloads was killed after Challenger, including Centaur-G. Yet another thing to blame on Mormons and their gay mountain SRB factory.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:29:38 UTC No. 15893701
>>15893692
This must be the fluid hammer
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:41:39 UTC No. 15893714
>>15893498
I would post it but I got banned last time.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:42:47 UTC No. 15893717
>>15893697
I understand the safety concern of a cryo stage outgassing both fuel and oxidiser in the payload bay, but whats the safetyproblem with an ntr?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:50:33 UTC No. 15893726
>>15893717
it was a nontechnical decision made by paranoid bureaucrats
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:08:18 UTC No. 15893740
>>15893685
JPL will insist that you use a purpose-built Boeing remote control helicopter to pick them up and handle them.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:09:41 UTC No. 15893742
>>15893717
Can't be too careful
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:16:41 UTC No. 15893748
>>15893714
I guess everyone now knows the janitor is a flaming homosexual (as if there were ever any doubts)
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:21:51 UTC No. 15893753
>>15893740
Just bring a crowbar and smash the cuckcopter when you walk over on EVA to pick up the canisters.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 12:30:34 UTC No. 15893756
>>15893754
considering a number of engines were lit during the whole hot staging process I doubt slosh was the reason the raptors didn't turn on
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:00:41 UTC No. 15893781
>>15893754
hilarious how some random blender users can model this but Musk cant.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:04:06 UTC No. 15893784
>>15893754
would be pretty weird if they didn't gave cameras in the tank desu
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:05:35 UTC No. 15893787
>>15893784
Too dark
๐๏ธ Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:07:32 UTC No. 15893789
>>15893508
>has a literal prostitute tatoo
cant make this shit up lmao
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:08:52 UTC No. 15893791
fluid hammer
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:10:19 UTC No. 15893794
>>15893787
Flashlight
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:20:45 UTC No. 15893800
>>15893789
wtf, I think I recognize that person from RL.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:22:51 UTC No. 15893801
>>15893787
but they did it with F9
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:25:58 UTC No. 15893805
>>15893800
whats her name? I need it for educational purposes
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:26:47 UTC No. 15893806
>>15893805
I'm not 100% sure so I'm not gonna share it.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:29:03 UTC No. 15893808
>>15893806
pls rethink your decision ser
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:32:19 UTC No. 15893809
>>15893250
MARS HOLE
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:55:05 UTC No. 15893834
>>15893811
>new photo of css
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:57:20 UTC No. 15893835
>>15893834
Yes, it was released today.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:08:48 UTC No. 15893844
>>15893307
u rite tho
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:10:26 UTC No. 15893846
>>15893602
Correct
๐๏ธ Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:15:20 UTC No. 15893848
>>15893498
>ATTENTION, stinky pig trotters have entered the building
>ATTENTION, stinky pig trotters have entered the building
>ATTENTION, stinky pig trotters have entered the building
>ATTENTION, stinky pig trotters have entered the building
>ATTENTION, stinky pig trotters have entered the building
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:15:36 UTC No. 15893849
>>15893811
lets fucking go!
this is the first time Iโve seen a real photo of it from orbit, not a render
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:25:43 UTC No. 15893863
>>15893811
It took this long to get a full photo of the station, wheeeew finally
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:26:01 UTC No. 15893864
>>15893858
holy fuck
won't that make it like 2040 by the time it even reaches titan?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:26:45 UTC No. 15893865
>NEW BANGER JUST DROPPED.
get in here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5G
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:28:12 UTC No. 15893871
>>15893864
I think it's around 7 years of travel
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:28:39 UTC No. 15893873
>>15893865
Buy an ad, thundercunt.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:29:03 UTC No. 15893874
>>15893871
add on a few years of delays and then you end up in 2040
what a fucking clown show of a world
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:29:35 UTC No. 15893876
>>15893865
scrolling through it i see a lot of 2016
probably a pretty boring video that talks about the same shit he always talks about, again and again
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:30:49 UTC No. 15893878
>>15893876
to add to this, the comments are also pretty identical
its just boring
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:45:31 UTC No. 15893897
>>15893865
everyone sing along!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYD
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:51:41 UTC No. 15893904
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:58:01 UTC No. 15893909
>>15893638
These appear to be N-th worlders (N >= 3)
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:59:28 UTC No. 15893911
>>15893897
>>15893904
Offtopic and gay
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:15:00 UTC No. 15893923
Why are the seas of Titan on the polar regions? With Mars also if it had an ocean the ocean would be on one side of the planet and land on the other. Why not evenly distributed like on Earth?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:16:15 UTC No. 15893927
Oxygen for Mars
---
https://www.thespacereview.com/arti
> What is really needed is to create a habitat that is very large, one that has the physical land surface area equivalent to the outdoors on Earth instead of just pressurized habitats. To match some level of open space for significant numbers (breeding populations) of even a few thousands species would require dozens or hundreds of very large, dedicated artificial habitats in space. That requires terraforming Mars, the only planet in our solar system where terraforming will be practical without โmagic physics.โ
> I have already covered the issue of how to provide the bulk of air pressure needed to terraform Mars (see โRethinking the Mars terraforming debateโ, The Space Review August 20, 2018). That article describes how huge amounts of solid nitrogen can be moved from Pluto or other locations and dumped into the Martian atmosphere with no cratering. This would allow rain to fall and liquid water to flow on Mars. Several people have suggested Venus as a closer source of nitrogen, but it is at the bottom of a deep gravity well, and would have to be skimmed off the top of the atmosphere, separated from the carbon dioxide and liquefied for shipment to Mars with a significant delta-V value. Pluto has a shallow gravity well and the nitrogen is already in solid form, and thus much easier to mine and ship in bulk.
> The two things we need for full terraforming of Mars are nitrogen pressure and some oxygen pressure. Only anaerobic bacteria could live on Mars without oxygen. Therefore, Mars also needs oxygen.
> For practical terraforming efforts of almost any kind, there are two basic requirements: large scale access to space and the destinations in it, and some form of fusion energy for power and propulsion
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:19:51 UTC No. 15893928
>>15893923
Our moon does a ridiculously good job at keeping the oceans stabilized.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:26:02 UTC No. 15893936
>>15893692
That is the largest Philips head screw I've ever seen
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:26:39 UTC No. 15893940
>>15893927
a problem most people dont know or care about when it comes to terraforming mars, is the fact that mars has no plate tectonics, as it's crust was too thick.
a big part of what keeps our biosphere stable on earth is the carbon-silicate cycle, it also keeps all the water from just dissapearing into the crust and never coming back out.
we'd have to find a solution to that, either restarting plate tectonics somehow before we start terraforming or just constantly manually regulating carbon levels and adding water when neccessary.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:32:19 UTC No. 15893948
>>15893943
>Girl Dick, Texas
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:33:57 UTC No. 15893950
>>15893756
3 engines at 40% on the booster vs 6 engines on the starship at 100%
it's about quadruple the thrust downwards, if not more. the 3 vacuum raptors alone probably would have been enough to do it
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:36:31 UTC No. 15893955
>>15893940
drill down to the core of mars, dig out the useless shit and replace it with iron and enough radioactives (uranium, plutonium, thorium, anything that can fragment under heat and pressure really) to start fission in there to keep it warm
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:38:04 UTC No. 15893959
>>15892943
you can fly further with the full stack in space if you pretend the design actually works
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:42:46 UTC No. 15893964
>>15893940
youre a fucking prick.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:45:26 UTC No. 15893967
>>15893928
so the moon keeps the ocean spread out?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:48:06 UTC No. 15893970
>>15893940
>it also keeps all the water from just dissapearing into the crust and never coming back out.
I thought water says on the surface because it's less dense than the rock?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:48:54 UTC No. 15893973
>>15893967
Yes, by pulling it roughly around the equator every 28 days, and indirectly by keeping Earth's interior sloshing around enough to maintain tectonic activity. Mars is solid much further down than Earth is, has no active tectonic plates, and no active volcanoes, so water just went downhill until it froze in place or evaporated. I suspect something similar happened on Titan.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:49:43 UTC No. 15893976
>>15893970
Many kinds of rocks ABSORB water.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:55:46 UTC No. 15893983
>>15893976
So what. Let them absorb it until they are SATURATED
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:57:19 UTC No. 15893987
I think we can solve sea level rise by filling the dead sea with water. Currently it is 430 meters below sea level.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:07:06 UTC No. 15893999
>>15893811
For the first time, weโre seeing views of Chinaโs entire space station
---
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/
> China released new pictures of its Tiangong space station Tuesday as Chinese astronauts and space officials made a public relations visit to Hong Kong. These images, taken about a month ago, show the Tiangong complex in its fully assembled configuration with three modules staffed by three crew members.
> A departing crew of three astronauts captured the new panoramic views of the Tiangong station in low-Earth orbit October 30, shortly after departing the outpost to head for Earth at the end of a six-month mission. These are the first views showing the Tiangong station after China completed assembling its three main modules last year.
> The Tianhe core module is at the center of the complex. It launched in April 2021 with crew accommodations and life support systems for astronauts. Two experiment modules, named Wentian and Mengtian, launched in 2022. The first team of Chinese astronauts arrived at the station in June 2021, and Tiangong has been permanently staffed by rotating three-person crews since June 2022.
> It turns out China may not be finished constructing the Tiangong station. In remarks last month, officials outlined plans to add three more pressurized compartments to expand China's space station in the coming years.
> โWe will build a 180 (metric) tons, six-module assembly in the future," Zhang said at the International Astronautical Congress last month.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:09:28 UTC No. 15894002
>>15893983
yes, and on earth when the roggs get saturated, they eventually subduct beneath another plate of roggs and enter the mantle, where they melt and cause "updrafts" in the mantle because the watery roggs were less dense, which is the explanation for most vulcanic activiy.
that vulcanism, in turn, is what re-introduces the water. without that cycle, all water would eventually get stuck in the crust.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:12:35 UTC No. 15894008
>>15893253
>>15893858
>>15893681
NASA postpones Dragonfly review, launch date
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https://spacenews.com/nasa-postpone
> WASHINGTON โ Citing budget uncertainty, NASA is pushing back the launch of the Dragonfly mission to Saturnโs moon Titan by a year and postponing a key milestone in its development.
> In a presentation at a Nov. 28 meeting of NASAโs Outer Planets Assessment Group (OPAG), Lori Glaze, director of NASAโs planetary science division, said agency leadership decided to postpone formal confirmation of the mission earlier this month, a milestone where the agency sets an official cost and schedule for the mission.
> Instead, the APMC will reconvene after the release of the agencyโs fiscal year 2025 budget proposal in early 2024. โWe anticipate taking Dragonfly back to APMC in the springโ for a decision on confirmation, she said. In the meantime, though, NASA will allow the mission to proceed with some elements of final mission design and fabrication that usually do not start until after the confirmation review.
> When NASA selected Dragonfly, it planned a launch in 2026. The agency announced in 2020 a one-year delay in the launch, to 2027, citing external pressures on the agencyโs budget, including those linked to the pandemic. Glaze, at the OPAG meeting, did not identify any problems internal to the mission that caused the latest delay.
> Besides the changes to Dragonfly, NASA has delayed calls for future New Frontiers and Discovery missions and slowed the start of a new flagship mission, the Uranus Orbiter and Probe. She did not rule out changes to other missions in earlier stages of development depending on the severity of budget cuts. โAnything in the portfolio that is not confirmed right now is at risk,โ she said later at the OPAG meeting. โWeโre waiting to see what happens.โ
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:12:36 UTC No. 15894009
>>15892943
In space there are no aerodynamics dragging your soviet shitpile to the ground.
Also, it's a cool design.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:15:36 UTC No. 15894016
>>15893589
Industry group opposes White House mission authorization proposal
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https://spacenews.com/industry-grou
> WASHINGTON โ An industry group says it is opposed to a White House proposal for regulating novel space activities, arguing it could be burdensome and confusing for companies and agencies.
> The Nov. 27 letter from the Commercial Spaceflight Federation (CSF) to the chairs and ranking members of the House Science Committee and Senate Commerce Committee, obtained by SpaceNews, comes as the House committee prepares to resume consideration of a bill with an alternative approach to what is often called mission authorization.
> The proposal from the White Houseโs National Space Council, published Nov. 15, would split responsibilities for commercial space activities not currently regulated by other agencies between the Departments of Commerce and Transportation. The Transportation Department, through the Federal Aviation Administration, would regulate human spaceflight activities beyond launch and reentry as well as transportation of items through space or to the lunar surface. The Commerce Department, through the Office of Space Commerce, would handle other uncrewed spacecraft not regulated by the FAA, such as satellite servicing and debris removal.
> The organization raised several concerns, including how responsibilities would be split between the two departments and the potential for โduplicative and conflictingโ requirements between Commerce and Transportation. โFor some operations, it is unclear which agency would hold the authority to issue a relevant license, or if multiple licenses would be needed,โ it stated.
I saw a comment on X that said this would basically mean doing anything at all in space would require triplicate forms to be submitted to two different agencies every time
absurd
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:18:31 UTC No. 15894024
>>15892197
Firefly conducts first Miranda engine test
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https://spacenews.com/firefly-condu
> WASHINGTON โ Firefly Aerospace has conducted the first hot-fire test of a new engine that will power the companyโs future launch vehicles.
> Firefly announced Nov. 28 that it conducted the test of its Miranda engine at the companyโs Texas test site. A company spokesperson said the test, performed at 65% power, was designed to validate the engineโs startup sequence.
> The company plans to work its way up to a full-duration test in the coming months, running the engine for 206 seconds. Miranda uses liquid oxygen and kerosene propellants, generating 230,000 pounds-force of thrust.
> Seven Miranda engines will power the first stage of the Antares 330, a new version of Northrop Grummanโs Antares rocket that the companies announced a partnership to develop in August 2022. It will replace the Ukrainian-built first stage previously used on Antares with Russian engines. The companies expect the Antares 330 to be ready for a first flight as soon as mid-2025.
> A similar first stage, also using seven Miranda engines, will be used on another rocket, currently called the Medium Launch Vehicle or MLV. A new second stage will use a single vacuum-optimized Miranda engine. That vehicle, ready for a first launch as soon as late 2025, will be able to place up to 16,000 kilograms into low Earth orbit, versus the 10,000 kilograms of the Antares 330.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:20:27 UTC No. 15894028
Elon Musk, Israel agree on use of Starlink satellite internet in Gaza
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https://www.space.com/elon-musk-isr
> But following his meeting with Musk on Monday (Nov. 27), Karhi took to X to state that "Starlink satellite units can only be operated in Israel with the approval of the Israeli Ministry of Communications, including the Gaza Strip."
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:20:28 UTC No. 15894029
>>15894024
>Firefly
>first stage engines named Reaver and Miranda
DUDE SCIFI REFERENCES LMAO
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:22:39 UTC No. 15894033
>>15894024
UOOOOOOOOOOOOH ENGINE RICH EXHAUST!
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:23:08 UTC No. 15894034
>>15893987
Even historically it's only 1000 km^2 (you could fit that in a Starship), versus 360 million km^2 of the world's oceans. Filling it to sea level would lower the sea level by about 1 mm.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:24:08 UTC No. 15894035
>>15894029
>Reaver and Miranda
What references? Clue us in, redditor.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:24:28 UTC No. 15894036
Re-entering spacecraft and debris is changing the elemental profile of the stratosphere, with a distinct compositional drift from the elemental ratios of meteoric smoke to those of spacecraft alloys (paper). โ[T]he mass of lithium, aluminum, copper and lead from spacecraft reentry far exceeded those metals found in natural cosmic dust. Nearly 10% of large sulfuric acid particles โ the particles that help protect and buffer the ozone layer โ contained aluminum and other spacecraft metals.โ Itโs not yet clear what, if any, impact this may have on the ozone layer and stratosphere as the quantity of re-entering material continues to grow in the future.
https://orbitalindex.com/archive/20
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:26:18 UTC No. 15894037
>>15892949
NO SHIIIIT
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:28:19 UTC No. 15894039
ISROโs next ambitious plan: Collect soil samples from Moon, bring them to Earth
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https://indianexpress.com/article/t
> โISRO is now planning a bigger mission, where we will try to bring back rock or soil samples from the Shiv Shakti point. Hopefully, in the next five to seven years, we will be able to meet this challenge,โ said Nilesh Desai, director, ISROโs Space Application Centre (SAC), during his visit to Pune on Friday.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:28:54 UTC No. 15894041
>>15894035
I think it's Starfield
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:32:38 UTC No. 15894050
>>15894041
it's star wars
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:34:47 UTC No. 15894053
>>15893999
I look forward to the station becoming the same boat anchor on China's space program as the ISS is to NASA's
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:34:51 UTC No. 15894054
>>15894039
Their next step should be human spaceflight, then they can land on the moon ala apollo and grab all the samples they want.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:41:27 UTC No. 15894067
>>15894054
I think they are trying to do that, but its going to come much later than in 5-7 years and the development of these can be done in parallel
they haven't even launched an astronaut into orbit yet
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:42:28 UTC No. 15894070
>>15894050
you sure its not Firely the TV-series/Movie?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 16:53:46 UTC No. 15894091
>>15894070
it's mass effect
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:00:47 UTC No. 15894101
>>15894029
yeah, I too hate the drone ship names
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:01:41 UTC No. 15894103
>>15894101
Falcon is from Millenium Falcon
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:08:19 UTC No. 15894113
chinabros...
there's been an accident...
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:11:31 UTC No. 15894119
>>15894113
picrel
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:12:47 UTC No. 15894124
>>15894119
>2021
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:13:04 UTC No. 15894125
>>15894119
oops, wrong one,that happened earlier, it happened again tho.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:28:42 UTC No. 15894149
>>15894125
these things happen
sweep up the scrap metal and roll out another one
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:30:07 UTC No. 15894152
>>15894149
It's super sad that we'll probably never see the footage of the accident though. Would probably be kino.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:48:45 UTC No. 15894186
>>15894125
Is that engine testing?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:50:40 UTC No. 15894190
>>15894149
>I can do this all day
If only.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:50:57 UTC No. 15894191
>>15894186
don't know, Everyone in china is pretending it didn't happen.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:04:31 UTC No. 15894208
So give me the Starbase rundown since IFT-2, all I've seen is the hotdog cryofarm tanks FINALLY coming in after talking about it since IFT-1 and a Gateway to Mars sign going up. I also know V1 Starship but still not entirely sure whats different about V2.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:07:35 UTC No. 15894211
>>15894208
it's over -> we're back
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:16:07 UTC No. 15894231
>>15894208
>I also know V1 Starship but still not entirely sure whats different about V2.
nobody besides SpaceX knows yet
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:19:30 UTC No. 15894234
>>15894232
Does it still need supercomputer to run?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:21:31 UTC No. 15894237
>>15894234
I think it's gotten a bit better, plus the science update is meant to have more improvements.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:21:53 UTC No. 15894240
>>15894234
It's becoming very playable on most half decent cards.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:22:58 UTC No. 15894243
>>15893583
>Remember when NASA was saying it was 'a stepping stone to mars'?
The hab module for the Mars transfer vehicle will initially be part of Gateway.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:25:19 UTC No. 15894246
>>15893645
>shittiest NTP engines have double the ISP of the best chemical engines
>barely better
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:27:34 UTC No. 15894250
>>15894246
They have way worse TWR and can't be used for Earth liftoff/landing so they're dead weight for the most critical parts of the mission. NTP only makes sense in a world where we have LH2 depots and nuclear repair shipyards in orbit.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:30:10 UTC No. 15894253
>>15894250
Who was arguing in favor of using NTP for boosters?
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:30:37 UTC No. 15894257
>>15894253
NASA, in the 1960s.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:30:47 UTC No. 15894258
>>15892170
>SENPAI
gotta love how the wordfilter bothers to keep your capitalization
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:34:18 UTC No. 15894261
>>15894257
NERVA was a third stage for Saturn V, not a booster.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:36:48 UTC No. 15894262
>>15894035
Firefly sci-fi western, series and movie
(ironically, the Reavers' engines were extra dirty, looked like blowing coal)
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:38:09 UTC No. 15894264
>>15894234
>>15894240
Just as an example, I have a 6700 XT, this rocket has 237 parts, and I'm getting 25-30 FPS during launch with 4k ultra settings.
The update will add missions and atmospheric effects in addition to science, but the real question is if it still has a lot of stupid bugs that will kill the player experience.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:40:24 UTC No. 15894268
>>15894232
When is multiplayer? Only thing I really care about.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:45:06 UTC No. 15894272
>>15894268
It's years away. They'll add colonies, interstellar, resources, and then finally multiplayer.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:51:04 UTC No. 15894283
>>15893692
isn't that too short for superheavy? maybe the downcomer on starship failed for some reason
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:52:43 UTC No. 15894288
>>15893801
falcon 9 is made of aluminum, which is transparent
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:57:33 UTC No. 15894293
>>15894033
it's tea-teb you fucking nigger retarddit tourist
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:04:52 UTC No. 15894304
water hammer
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:09:39 UTC No. 15894313
>>15894264
I hope they've fixed the bug that randomly flings stuff out of their orbits, that shit wrecked my manned mission to Duna.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:28:43 UTC No. 15894354
>>15894344
One good reason being wanting to get to staging without any engines eating themselves.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:29:39 UTC No. 15894355
>>15894354
also because they were aiming for a not-quite-orbit instead of a proper LEO destination
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:33:58 UTC No. 15894364
>>15894355
no payload either
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:37:50 UTC No. 15894369
>>15894034
damn. Looks like Florida will have to pull a Netherland then
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:39:02 UTC No. 15894373
>>15894149
>sweep up the scrap metal and roll out another one
and sweep up the dead bodies
sage at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:39:41 UTC No. 15894376
>>15894232
>early access
>rocket wobble
>shit performance
im gonna wait for the 1.0 release
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:43:23 UTC No. 15894381
>>15894326
lost
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:49:49 UTC No. 15894393
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:53:36 UTC No. 15894408
>>15894344
>so SpaceX was running the Super Heavy raptors way below max thrust for a reason or another
You're assuming these keyboard engineers know what they are doing, and even have reliable numbers for the half-ass math they are attempting.
Almost every time SpaceX has a large test, all these autistic people start shoving their renderings and calculations on social media, only for them to be horribly wrong once SpaceX releases the causes behind test results.
I understand some people like the challenge, but just like the fluid rendering posted earlier, its so blatantly incorrect its laughable.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 19:53:42 UTC No. 15894410
>>15892943
should've had nuclear salt water rockets instead
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 20:01:00 UTC No. 15894428
>>15893858
Hopefully they pull a DART style launch vehicle swap and yeet Dragonfly to Titan on a refilled Starship with commercial tug/kick stage so it transfers over to Saturn in 3 years instead of 7
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 20:04:57 UTC No. 15894432
>>15894258
I didn't even rely on the wordfilter, I put it in by hand just for fun
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 20:07:12 UTC No. 15894436
>>15894376
>I want to get off Mr. Ares I X's Wild Ride
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 20:16:40 UTC No. 15894458
>>15894376
>rocket wobble
That will be fixed in the next update.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 20:20:54 UTC No. 15894466
>>15894186
SpaceNews says it is an engine test stand.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 21:11:25 UTC No. 15894572
>>15894258
>>15894432
fairly certain it does respect caps
SENPAI faM Senpai senpai fAm FAm
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 21:12:28 UTC No. 15894575
>>15893158
GATEWAY TO MARS
The only gateway allowed is the one on the ground.
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 21:14:22 UTC No. 15894586
>>15894572
lmao wtf it's like three wordfilters for each way people are likely to capitalize it
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 21:15:11 UTC No. 15894590
>>15894458
it'll still impact the performance (it's shit)
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 22:06:16 UTC No. 15894727
>>15894091
No the ship there was called N7
Anonymous at Wed, 29 Nov 2023 22:10:09 UTC No. 15894735
>>15892170
Gotta make space for the bad tempered brown lady who becomes the only astronaut in NASA
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Nov 2023 00:40:17 UTC No. 15894978
>>15894590
Performance is fine and most of the recent reviews are now positive.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Nov 2023 01:21:05 UTC No. 15895037
>>15893834
Reminder that Body Odor still hasn't put a single gram in orbit, not even someone else's gram with a BO engine. They can't even leapfrog a highway stripe.
Anonymous at Thu, 30 Nov 2023 01:28:29 UTC No. 15895048
>>15893999
>DC
Marvel BTFO