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Anonymous No. 15990158

Mars Mold edition

previous - >>15987295

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Anonymous No. 15990164

you must remember to keep HOPE alive always

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Anonymous No. 15990169

reposting this gem

Anonymous No. 15990170

So Richard Mansell said that if the thrusters don't work, Barry-1 will deorbit in three years. LEOP is expected to end February or March.

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Anonymous No. 15990177

still waiting for them to turn on that meme engine, just two more weeks

Anonymous No. 15990178

>>15990170
so if it deobits in 4 years it conclusively worked beyond doubt

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Anonymous No. 15990180

>>15990177
Trust the Plan. The stars will be ours

Anonymous No. 15990182

>>15990180
How strong would you have to be to throw something from the top to the bottom and overcome centrifugal force?

Anonymous No. 15990187

>>15990180
shit like this will never happen because humans will unlock mind uploading before oneill cylinders. what use do grassy parks have for immortal machines who can forever wander the fields of virtual elysium?

Anonymous No. 15990188

Thanks OP

Anonymous No. 15990189

>>15990180
They will not use natural light and they will have transport infrastructure running through the center.

Anonymous No. 15990190

>>15990187
QI tech would make spaceflight progress by leaps and bounds while not doing too much for brain emulation unless horizon effect could be used for weird computer shenanigans

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Anonymous No. 15990191

yah

Anonymous No. 15990192

>>15990180
What if everyone else already uses qi thrusters

Anonymous No. 15990196

>>15990187
I can't get lead poisoning as a robot

Anonymous No. 15990198

>>15990187
why not both

Anonymous No. 15990201

>>15990182
Long ways, I'd say hard enough in the Z axis to overcome the friction of air with enough velocity anti-spinward to cancel it out - so basically a function of the dimensions of your tube and its rotation, and the air pressure and humidity you maintain. Same factors, different vectors to get it across wall to wall.
My fun idea is riding a bike or running anti-sprinward fast enough to 0 your rotational velocity and just floating around for an afternoon. You could bring one of those little battery powered pocket fans to putt around with.

Anonymous No. 15990202

>>15990198
Not that guy and I know this is an overused trope in sf but I fully expect the digital civilization to expand faster than the biological one and turn everything into more computers. And maybe there could be hundreds of thousands of years where humans who left early could survive but eventually they'd be subsumed

Anonymous No. 15990206

>>15990189
Ya that pic is kinda dumb, but it's fun. A giant light bar down the middle like in the Expanse makes more since. Practically speaking though, I doubt you'd make such a large open space, but instead just fill in with more decks. Habs at or near the outside, agriculture a little further down, then utilities and storage as you get closer to the center of spin

Anonymous No. 15990208

>>15990169
now hungry for a muffin

Anonymous No. 15990210

>>15990192
Then you could assembly the O'Neil Cylinders and supporting economical infrastructure easily once you get to where ever you're going.

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Anonymous No. 15990223

The Chinese are moving quick with reusable launch, but when will they start doing other commercial space stuffv

Commercial space stations (like Vast, Gravitics, Orbital Reef, Starlab etc.) commercial lunar payload delivery (like Astrobotic, intuitive machines, etc.) and all the other commercial stuff going on like drug manufacturing (varda) and commercial observation (planet labs, etc)


I don’t know to what extend the Chinese commercial industry is working on stuff like the above

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Anonymous No. 15990226

The muffin conspiracytards never provided any evidence. pic related is what they actually believe.

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Anonymous No. 15990227

https://spacenews.com/blue-origin-and-spacex-start-work-on-cargo-versions-of-crewed-lunar-landers/

Anonymous No. 15990232

>>15990227
> “NASA expects these large cargo landers to have high commonality with the human landing systems already in work with adjustments to the payload interfaces and deployment mechanisms,” NASA stated. “The preliminary design requirements include delivering 12 to 15 metric tons to the lunar surface.”
> NASA added that no payloads have been identified yet for those landers. The earliest the cargo landers would be used is Artemis 7, a mission projected for no earlier than the early 2030s.

Anonymous No. 15990237

>>15990226
Would you fuck off

Anonymous No. 15990238

>>15990237
if you want him to stop you need to only not respond to him, it's that simple

Anonymous No. 15990240

When will ULA be sold?

Anonymous No. 15990243

they should add alligator fairings to KSP

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Anonymous No. 15990245

>>15990158
>>15990177
>>15990178
>>15990180
>>15990227
When are we leaving this planet bros? Im tired of delays and im getting older... They promise us were gonna go to mars and beyond... Whats taking so long

Anonymous No. 15990247

>>15990245
Why are you ban evading again?

Anonymous No. 15990250

>>15990223
Everytime I see this shit it makes me laugh. China really just can't innovate after all.

Anonymous No. 15990259

>>15990223
where is land space? ocean space? forest ground? gravity space? x space?

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Anonymous No. 15990262

Lets be honest, this shit makes no sense

And its gonna be cancel before any moon landing, so our last hope is China. But at least we dont have to see LGBT and BLM flags on the moon

Anonymous No. 15990291

>>15990232
>>15990227
why would you need a "cargo " version
why not make them the same vehicle...

Anonymous No. 15990293

>>15990291
Not needing to accommodate crew means either a cheaper lander or a lander capable of cargo that would otherwise not be something you send with crew.

Anonymous No. 15990295

>>15990293
A cargo payload is clearly more valuable than some replaceable in a moment meat

Anonymous No. 15990297

>>15990262
Elaborate on why you think it makes no sense.

Anonymous No. 15990321

>>15990297
It doesn't, so he won't.

Anonymous No. 15990347

>>15990297
>Use a fucking building as a moon lander
>At least it takes 15 starships launches to fill the moon landers propelant
>All theses launches have to take place in just 2-3 months, so just a delay could ruin the whole mission
>2024 and starship couldnt even reach orbit, but it is assumed spaceX could send one starship to the moon in just 2 years
>All this just to be 6 days on the moon when you could replicate apollo eagle and make this so much easier and cheaper

Yeah artemis is bullshit and its gonna be cancel next year

Anonymous No. 15990355

>>15990262
still have no idea what they're going to do to the lander after the mission
each successful mission is gonna leave a starship sized hunk of junk every time

Anonymous No. 15990359

>>15990347
lol retard

Anonymous No. 15990380

The part that doesn't make sense is an expendable rocket for $4.1 billion

Anonymous No. 15990388

>>15990380
Aerojet Rocketdyne, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and United Launch Alliance think it makes perfect sense.

Anonymous No. 15990397

>>15990158
Apparently the LM-5 launch date has been moved up to 2025/2026 instead of 2027. Looks like China is speeding up development, maybe due to the new lunar space race with America. At this rate, a 2028/2029 lunar landing looks very possible. Why is China the only nation that can deliver projects on time or even ahead of time?

Anonymous No. 15990399

>>15990397
Oops, I mean the LM-10, not LM-5

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>>15990192
>qi
Seeing it spelled out in lower case...I've realised the answer...

Anonymous No. 15990404

>>15990397
>>15990399
2025/26 is their speculative first launch date for the single core version, the Long March 10A. The triple core LM10 (which is the one for actual lunar missions) was actually delayed to NET 2028, from what I've heard.

Anonymous No. 15990407

>>15990404
I went back to the source and the wording is vague, it could mean the triple core version or the single core version

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Anonymous No. 15990408

>>15990158

Anonymous No. 15990427

>>15990397
>Why is China the only nation that can deliver projects on time or even ahead of time?
Because it is the only nation that
>is strong enough economically
>doesn't have to worry about election cycles
I bet you already knew the answer. 2029 is the deadline they must meet because that is the 80th anniversary of the creation of PRC. Let's be honest space flight is not a profitable enterprise except when you are scamming people with IPO. Capitalist nations like US has no real motivation in a money blackhole like this. They only beat USSR in moon landing and Mars Rover. Moon landing (by humans) was done within an election cycle too, surprise surprise.
It is better to invest money into weapons because at least other countries would buy that, or you can force other countries to pay your bills with that.

Anonymous No. 15990430

>>15990262
ETA?

Anonymous No. 15990436

>>15990262
China shill is back

Anonymous No. 15990437

>>15990262
Elon should be arrested. Biden needs to go to China congratulate President Xi

Anonymous No. 15990444

>>15990427
Moon landing was a ten year project starting with Mercury.

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Anonymous No. 15990446

>>15990444
>we went from man in space to landing on another heavenly body in a little over 8 years
>mfw for the past 8 years Falcon 9 has just been routinely landing
Dunno what to feel about this

Also checked

Anonymous No. 15990457

Can Trump put a person on moon by 2026?

Anonymous No. 15990458

>>15990262
The biggest problem of this mission is the purpose of Orion, I understand that they might not want to launch their astronauts from earth or land to earth with starship, but Dragon could fulfill the same function if they just transferred their crew in Earth's orbit.

Anonymous No. 15990460

>>15990457
He couldn't build a wall by 2021, so no.

Anonymous No. 15990463

>>15990460
Dems wouldn't be opposing a lunar mission.

Anonymous No. 15990465

>>15990457
Trump can accomplish anything with a holy mandate

Anonymous No. 15990468

>>15990408
The worst thing is we tried this and gained nothing for it.

Anonymous No. 15990480

>>15990468
Nah. USSR was poisoned and died.

Anonymous No. 15990481

>>15990458
Moonship and Blorp HLS don't have heat shields so it would cost a gorillion tons of propellant to fuel them up in lunar orbit for all-propulsive transfer into LEO. Orion+SLS is sadly the cheaper option unless you can ISRU on the moon.

Anonymous No. 15990482

>>15990182
Pretty strong, I don't have the numbers for the loss of gravity constant heading towards the centre of the cylinder and for the Coriolis deflection, but an O'Neil cylinder is supposed to be 8km in diameter, so I'm pretty sure no one would be able to throw something from one side to the other without some kind of help

Anonymous No. 15990490

>>15990482
Imagine a pack of bottle rockets with that coriolis force.

Anonymous No. 15990493

>>15990481
They clearly just need to make starship better, lander going from LEO to moon and back to LEO sounds perfect.

Anonymous No. 15990497

>>15990355
LCROSS found carbon monoxide, mix that with some polar ice and aluminum oxides which make up a quarter of the lunar surface you have everything you need for ISRU

Anonymous No. 15990498

Any chance of IFT-3 in February?

Anonymous No. 15990509

>>15990498
Maybe, they'd have to finish work on the tank farm and do cryo tests and static fires and then pray the FAA doesn't cockblock them again

Anonymous No. 15990515

>>15990493
The trouble (for NASA) is that once you reenter from the moon it's easier to just keep aerobraking all the way down and land, rather than a deliberate skip out, circularizing in LEO, docking with a lander, transferring crew, and then landing the moon lander uncrewed. This means it'd make way more technical sense to just crew rate Starship and drop Orion/Blorp entirely... but that would make Congress shit depleted uranium bricks and cancel the entire Artemis program.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15990533

>>15990446
in fairness the modern landing program is way more ambitious than the original, and with a tiny fraction of the budget of apollo even before Biden slashed it further. The lander has to be a league above the LEM in terms of performance due to the retarded mission profile NASA demands so they can use orion, and not to mention that they have two orders of magnitude lower risk tolerance than they did during apollo. Apollo was willing to take 1 in 10 chance of loss of crew.
If modern NASA was willing to take such risks and pay out appropriately then SpaceX could have mocked up an apollo style landing system derived from dragon and falcon before 2020

Anonymous No. 15990535

>>15990169
>photos show fungi
how can you tell photos show fungi?
>inb4 self evident bro
kys

Anonymous No. 15990545

>>15990223
Paper rockets tho

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15990551

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSZlZegPnl4

Anonymous No. 15990564

>>15990498
NET February now

Anonymous No. 15990566

>>15990223
>you know... these rockets look quite similar to SpaceX's falcon 9 and falcon heavy.
>oh ho ho no! patented chinese design! old communist recipe

Anonymous No. 15990574

>>15990223
The amount of innovation China managed is nothing ahort of astounding

Anonymous No. 15990576

>>15990223
>falcon heavies
>falcon 9s
>starships
Well, fast follower has its advantages I suppose

Anonymous No. 15990592

We need to get a big ass telesvope to 550au RIGHT NOW

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15990599

>>15990566
and yet you call them full flow staged combustion despite the fact that they are obviously gas generator

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Anonymous No. 15990608

Sierra burst test successful


https://x.com/sierraspaceco/status/1749417106678993179?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

https://www.sierraspace.com/newsroom/press-releases/sierra-space-advances-its-revolutionary-commercial-space-station-technology/

Anonymous No. 15990610

>>15990515
what if we had a station that would be orbiting between Moon and Earth?

Anonymous No. 15990615

>>15990608
Very cool.
https://youtu.be/VkR2hnXR0SM?t=78

Anonymous No. 15990639

>>15990608
https://youtu.be/_7NiBD3KqkQ

Anonymous No. 15990640

>>15990639
>we're not a company that believes we ought to leave this planet
weird flex but ok
>>15990615
bros I miss good sci-fi movies

Anonymous No. 15990645

>>15990608
>>15990639
its good to see progress, but uhhh when is it going into space?

Anonymous No. 15990647

>>15990645
anon...it blew up

Anonymous No. 15990648

>>15990647
i meant the one that is supposed to go into space. i just saw that its for blue origin though, so i guess 20 years from now...

Anonymous No. 15990651

>>15990223
>sfg: "Western countries should LITERALLY just copy SpaceX"
>sfg: "Ah, China. Look at 'em, just copying our stuff. China and innovation? Can't into

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15990652

>>15990651
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Anonymous No. 15990653

>>15990645
Sierra said in the past they want to have a pathfinder LIFE station in orbit in 2026 that could be serviced by dreamchaser before Orbital Reef is flying, that was a few months ago so I don’t know if those are the current plans

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Anonymous No. 15990656

>>15990648
Slow and steady wins the race

Anonymous No. 15990666

>>15990652
you have envy sprewing out ass. back off

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Anonymous No. 15990668

is now the time to invest in boeing?

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Anonymous No. 15990673

>picrel is what they had in mind when they built Orion
>linkrel is reality
https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/nasa-push-back-moon-mission-timelines-amid-spacecraft-delays-sources-2024-01-09/

Anonymous No. 15990674

>>15990673
China is laufhing at us

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15990708

>>15990674
fellow americans we so ashamed of china strength. china is so strong.

Anonymous No. 15990709

>>15990640
>good sci-fi movies
For example?
If you say Star Wars or Star Track your body will be instantly vaporized and your soul will burn in hell forever. Or maybe Roko's Basilisk will get you, idk

Anonymous No. 15990711

>JWST was pushed back 20 years
And look how stunning it is in the space right now.
A delayed space program is eventually good, but a rushed one is forever bad, just like the Russian moonlander.

Anonymous No. 15990713

>>15990656
>BO actually needed to develop LTL freight technology before they could ship rocket engines
We're hitting gradatim levels that shouldn't even be possible

Anonymous No. 15990717

>>15990709
dark city, 12 monkeys, cloud atlas, prometheus shit of that nature

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15990719

>>15990709
apollo 18 was good

Anonymous No. 15990724

They're gonna decommission ISS this year they said.
There is no more cooperation between Russia and US in ISS they said

Anonymous No. 15990725

>>15990651
/sfg/ is generally pretty pro chinese spaceflight.
also we spend a lot of time mocking western f9 clones

Anonymous No. 15990726

they nailed this board:
https://youtu.be/wcztDZ13TLI

Anonymous No. 15990728

>>15990719
>gay horror movie
I find you guilty of being a Zoomer and sentence you to life as a Zoomer

Anonymous No. 15990730

>>15990639
>valve failure
why is it always the valves?

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Anonymous No. 15990735

It's all one long story arc...

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Anonymous No. 15990737

...and we're still on our way...

Anonymous No. 15990741

>not in education, aerospace or Tesla
is this all there is?
any other NEATs here?

Anonymous No. 15990750

>>15990730
moving parts

Anonymous No. 15990752

Why do retards actually believe that Interstellar is at all realistic? Id like to see the calculations behind how they got that space station to stop spinning and why it didnt just shear in half at some point from the torsion on the space station counter rotating the ship. Not to mention the impossible fucking ice clouds, the ridiculous notion that mile high waves would exist before the planet is ripped apart more than that, unstable orbits, 'gentle singularity' and wormholes are entirely theoretical, the stupid notion that stating in orbit around Millers would decrease time dilation so much when the nigger would rotate to the opposite sufe of the planet with more dilation over 40 years, the drastic change in time dilation AT ALL from going down from orbit, no spaghettification happening, so much. Its a good movie but holy shit shut the fuck up about it being realistic.

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Anonymous No. 15990753

>>15990752
who cares

Anonymous No. 15990754

>>15990753
Ugly bitch I wouldnt touch her with a 10 ft pole sober

Anonymous No. 15990762

>>15990752
I don't know about Interstellar but for the longest time idiots here would try to defend The Martian

Anonymous No. 15990764

>>15990752
NOBODY who cares about spaceflight believes it's realistic the draw is the relationship between the father and daughter being literally and metaphorically stretched to the breaking point by his absence

Anonymous No. 15990765

hohttps://twitter.com/SpaceNews_Inc/status/1749465787889291573
White House trying to kneecap private space sector again. Biden admin needs to be removed.

Anonymous No. 15990767

>>15990752
it's good when the bar is star wars/ star trek/ marvel tier physics ignoring slop

Anonymous No. 15990774

>>15990752
>kip thorne haters are real

Anonymous No. 15990775

>>15990765
>Rick Tumlinson
Enjoy prison, stalker child.

Anonymous No. 15990776

>>15990765
direct link to article
https://spacenews.com/white-house-private-sector-space/

The author is clearly a confused old leftoid who doesn't understand the government hates us.

Anonymous No. 15990779

>>15990765
The author never mentions the real motivation: left wing anti-Elonism joining forces with cost plus pork barrel capitalism.

How could you be that blind and still pretend you are informing others?

Anonymous No. 15990780

>>15990775
Kek

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>>15990775

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15990782

>>15990753
i will never get over here actual prostitute tat

Anonymous No. 15990790

>>15990782
what about the nipple piercing

Anonymous No. 15990794

>>15990790
>>15990782
Why do so many women post images of their nips poking through, Im extremely conscious about that as a man.

Anonymous No. 15990795

>>15990794
Do you have big man titties?

Anonymous No. 15990797

>>15990753
Whomst?

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>>15990779
Rockthrow predicted this

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Anonymous No. 15990801

Galactic 06 crew will include a Ukrainian, Austrian and American

https://x.com/virgingalactic/status/1749474026265956833?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

Anonymous No. 15990805

>>15990801
They're all rubes for throwing away $250000 on a plane ride, at least Alan Shepard's hop was paid for by the government

Anonymous No. 15990806

whose paying for the ukrainian

Anonymous No. 15990807

>>15990801
Sir, this is a space flight general.

Anonymous No. 15990808

>>15990801
What will be the RT.com headline after this?

Anonymous No. 15990809

>>15990752
It's not a good movie at all, you rube. I could tell that from the moment the actors opened their mouths to show us how smart the writer thinks he is. Every character is the same character, the writer.

Anonymous No. 15990812

>>15990809

>>15990762
The martian is the same

I fucking HATE both of these movies.

2001 is good.

Anonymous No. 15990813

You know what, I was gonna post about SS2/NS suborbital science being wasteful/make work but I looked it up and sounding rockets cost THREE MILLION DOLLARS. Maybe stuffing them full of the experiments which only need to poke above the karman line isn't such a bad idea

Anonymous No. 15990827

>>15990813
We need another space station. This time with artificial gravity.

Anonymous No. 15990831

>>15990827
good news: we'll have 5+ by the end of the decade

Anonymous No. 15990836

>>15990831
I don't think this will actually happen.

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Anonymous No. 15990840

Speaking of space stations, I went to Vast's website again and checked their roadmap, apparently they will have a demo mission go up this year before Haven-1. It wasn't there before so now I'm wondering what the fuck it's gonna go up on and what mission it is.
https://www.vastspace.com/roadmap

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Anonymous No. 15990841

>>15990836
trust the plan

Anonymous No. 15990844

>>15990841
Feels like it would be better to just learn in space construction tech to make monolithic stations

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Anonymous No. 15990846

>>15990801
>continents conquered by members of the crew
white colonialism, much?

also, how must the Ukrainian feel going to near to space while his countrymen are being sent to die defending his country?
pic unrelated

Anonymous No. 15990847

>>15990844
>>15990841
With Gravitics, you're going in to the statistics.
Deaths in space statistics.

Anonymous No. 15990853

>>15990846
Rich people overall don't care when their poor countrymen die in wars.

Anonymous No. 15990859

>>15990841
Where are you going to get those tension cables, huh? Do you really think steel refineries on the moon will be ready in 5 years?

Anonymous No. 15990864

>>15990841
Is it 1km diameter? If not then it's going to make you hurl

Anonymous No. 15990866

>>15990808
>Russians in space for decades, still in space now
>a single Ukrainian goes toward space for a few seconds
there's no way to spin this as a Ukrainian victory

Anonymous No. 15990867

>>15990859
I'm hopeful there may be some steel production facilities on Earth in 5 years

Anonymous No. 15990870

>>15990864
Kys spinsect O'Neill cylidners will never be real

Anonymous No. 15990881

>>15990866
Much of the Soviet space program was Ukrainian.

Anonymous No. 15990886

>>15990881
Lol we wuz cosmonyts n shyt

Anonymous No. 15990897

>>15990866
When the ISS goes down what is Roscosmos gonna do with human spaceflight?

ROSS has been downgraded to a single module Salyut like station, Soyuz 5 and Orel aren’t happening for another decade

Anonymous No. 15990904

>>15990897
They are going to go sit in their cuckbox

Anonymous No. 15990906

>>15990897
It will quietly ignore it as money gets shifted towards military satellites or the general MoD budget.

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Anonymous No. 15990924

>>15990864
it would be fine.

Anonymous No. 15990933

>>15990169
>fungi
Looks like salt crystals to me.

Anonymous No. 15990999

>>15990881
And the Ukrainian space program? How's that going?

Anonymous No. 15991004

>>15990999
A bit slow at the moment, but after Russia is cleansed it will be rebuilt to its rightful place

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Anonymous No. 15991008

>>15990639
>we're not a company that believes we ought to leave this planet
>Space in the company name

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Anonymous No. 15991020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ78-_t6D1s
> Orbital Tank Farm Tested Ahead of Starship's Next Flight | Starbase Update

Anonymous No. 15991021

>>15990457
Does Trump hate Elon more or less than Biden? Serious question

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Anonymous No. 15991026

Aerospace-grade USB outlet for just $500

Anonymous No. 15991027

>>15991020
February means june

Anonymous No. 15991029

>>15991026
>only 2.5amps
Fucking WHY

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Anonymous No. 15991032

>>15990158
Here have some real Mars faggot!

Anonymous No. 15991034

>>15990180
your picture depicts not a O,neil cylinder but a bored out tunnel that has been inhabited.

Anonymous No. 15991036

>>15990776
>The most recent example is the White House National Space Council’s “Novel Space Activities Authorization and Supervision Framework.” Ostensibly created to “create an agile framework that can respond to changing needs as we scale to the future,” the December 2023 document is more a leash than a catalyst for the creative economic expansion of the newspace revolution now underway.

LMAO, I foresaw this exact shit happening too, they're gonna use the National Space Council to regulate the fuck out of private space, get ready for missions like the Polaris Spacewalk to walk an impossible regulatory landscape

>overshooting the mark by creating a web of interagency interactions that will in fact control the private sector in space by ensnaring it in the threads of various bureaucracies with no clear accountability nor ability for those private actors to understand or appeal the sources of those restraints. This trap begins by placing responsibility for setting and enforcing regulations in the hands of both the secretaries of Commerce and Transportation, giving neither the power nor leadership to create a streamlined system for approval of plans and projects. This one action on its own assures maximum confusion, expense and delay for anyone planning a new space project.

I knew the Biden Admin kept the National Space Council around for a reason, this is one way they can go after Musk/SpaceX, consequences for America's burgeoning private space industry be damned

Anonymous No. 15991038

>>15990187
This is the true blackpill and it makes me depressed AS FUCK. A Starwars like universe will never be a thing, we'll all just be uploaded inside a computer.

Anonymous No. 15991039

>>15991036
The last thing private space needs at this early moment is to be swarmed with overwhelming new regulations and bureaucratic bullshit

Anonymous No. 15991041

>>15990753
what a fucking whore she is

Anonymous No. 15991043

>>15991039
>we will "deregulate" & streamline this by adding 10,000 pages of regulation

t. politicians the last 60 years

Anonymous No. 15991046

>>15991043
He makes a good point about the title of the bill too

>Clearly born out of the United States government response to international pressures to control what those crazy American disruptors might do in space, just look at the title for the tell. “Novel?” The document defines this term as referring to anything “not directly regulated under the current U.S. regulatory regime.” It may be true that American citizen space activities are considered “novel” from the global bureaucracy’s perspective, while government space projects and programs are considered routine, the baseline, and the standard. However, it is a poor choice of words for our own government to adopt this language. Words have meaning, and coming out the gate, labeling the space equivalent of the diverse and dynamic American private sector economy as “novel” is a bad sign.

Anonymous No. 15991050

>>15990753
nnnnnngh

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15991052

>>15990753
imagine how much she stinks while taking that picture. disgusting.

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Anonymous No. 15991053

>In fact, it is clear to me they are setting the “framework” to control not just what happens in LEO, but also who does what on the Moon and especially on Mars.
>As one known for advocating the U.S.-led human expansion beyond Earth, as recently as last year I had a high NASA official tell me we are “fringe.” Thus, as is the normal governmental response to something it doesn’t understand, the result is to try and overcontrol it.

Oh boy, get ready for SpaceX to have to acquire permission/paperwork/licenses from NASA, DOD, FAA, FCC, DOC, and DOT for permission to travel to Mars to conduct "novel space activities", with a mountain of paperwork and response and finalization and appeal time longer than a Mars synod. It's so fucking over, they want to do everything in their power to stop this its clear.

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Anonymous No. 15991057

I want (you) to look at this galaxy lacking dark matter

Anonymous No. 15991061

reminder that a lack of belief in a round Earth is enough for admission into a mental assylum

Anonymous No. 15991063

>>15991029
Going higher would likely require recertification.

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Anonymous No. 15991070

By my count, there might now be seventeen (17) apparently serious Falcon 9 cloning projects underway in China

1. Space Pioneer's TL-3

2. Galactic Energy's Pallas-1

3. Landspace's ZQ-3

4. CAS Space's LJ-3

5. Deep Blue Aerospace's Nebula-1

6. iSpace's SQX-3 (the SQX-2 appears to have been cancelled, and the first stage will instead be used as a suborbital hopper)

7. Orienspace's YL-2

8. CASC's CZ-10A

9. Space Epoch 箭元科技 XZY-1 steel rocket, using engines from JZYJ
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1589145337805303808

10? Expace's new rocket, using Mingfeng-1/2 lox/methane engines
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1506992032039927816

11. Nayuta Space 千亿航天 Space Chaser 1 宇宙猎人, using Canglong-1 沧龙一号 engines from Aerospace Propulsion 商宇航推进
https://www.zhihu.com/pin/1664589663368232960

12? Rocket Pi 火箭派 Darwin-1 达尔文一号, which may or may not have been cancelled and replaced by the simpler Darwin-2 达尔文二号. It would use engines from JZYJ.

13? Whatever Space-Circling 天回航天 is doing
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1691844056509518082

14/15? Whichever rockets are intended to use the YF-102R and YF-209 engines. AALPT said they will increase production to 300 engines per year, so clearly some mass-produced rockets are intended to use them. Space Pioneer uses the basic YF-102 for their TL-2 rocket, however they likely won't need that many engines, nor will they need the reusable YF-102R variant. SAST will need new rockets to build after the CZ-10/10A start vacuuming up all available YF-100.
https://spacenews.com/chinese-state-owned-academy-makes-rocket-engines-available-to-commercial-space-firms/

16? Space Pioneer is making an improved version of the TL-2, which might be the originally intended reusable one

17? AAEngine 空天引擎 reusable sounding rockets, with orbital ambitions
https://twitter.com/cnspaceflight/status/1589863211607941120

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Anonymous No. 15991072

>>15991029
you wouldn't understand

Anonymous No. 15991073

>>15991021
He doesn't hate Elon at all

Anonymous No. 15991077

>>15991073
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/07/12/rocketships-to-nowhere-trump-mocks-elon-musks-companies-in-latest-round-of-attacks/

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Anonymous No. 15991078

SHES TAKING SHAPE

https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1749524830737629590?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

Anonymous No. 15991079

What if we just started the day of the airlock now.

Anonymous No. 15991081

>>15991078
Jeff Bezos is decades ahead of Musk

Anonymous No. 15991082

>>15991079
Regulators first

Anonymous No. 15991085

>>15991077
Banter. 7 years of this, and you still don't understand that he only talks shit when someone else talks shit first.

After that exchange, he has said he still likes Elon, on one of his rallies.

Anonymous No. 15991086

>>15991085
they did have a bit of a falling out. But Trump is still better than Musk. Trump needs to bend the knee to Elon, one of the most powerful men alive.

Anonymous No. 15991089

>>15991036
Trump needs to win and Musk needs to convince him how important private spaceflight is and streamline this horseshit

Anonymous No. 15991090

February 12th is still the NET date for IFT-3

Confirmed

Anonymous No. 15991094

>>15991086
you mean trump is better than biden?

Anonymous No. 15991096

>>15991090
source?

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Anonymous No. 15991097

Google photos classified Starship as a monument, what do you think?

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Anonymous No. 15991098

>>15991078
They mated?

Anonymous No. 15991099

>>15991078
>test vehicle
Impressive, how many "not for flight" labels are on it?

Anonymous No. 15991100

>>15991097
Monument to the new age of Spaceflight

Anonymous No. 15991102

>>15990223
Other than CASC/CASIC, Chinese payload manufacturers I know of are:

GalaxySpace is a big payload startup whose fund-raising values it at $1.2B
https://spacenews.com/chinese-satellite-internet-firm-galaxyspace-secures-major-new-funding/

CGSTL, owned by CIOMP and Jilin province, builds and operates EO payloads

Gesi, partially owned by IAMCAS, will manufacture the G60 constellation

Rocket Pi tested some zero gravity biotech manufacturing capsule on a sounding rocket

Apart from CASC, also AVIC and IAMCAS were selected by CMSEO for next-generation cargo spacecraft proposals. AZSpace, InterSpace Explore and Orienspace want to make cargo delivery spacecraft
https://spacenews.com/china-narrows-field-for-low-cost-space-station-cargo-missions/

Anonymous No. 15991103

>>15991090
One coyote told me it's actualy NET March.

Anonymous No. 15991104

>>15991072
we're never gonna get off this rock are we

Anonymous No. 15991106

TOTAL EARTHER DEATH

Anonymous No. 15991108

>>15991104
not while chemical rockets are holding us back

Anonymous No. 15991109

>>15991108
>holding us back
They are the only thing allowing us to get off this rock to begin with

Anonymous No. 15991110

>>15991108
and by chemical rockets you mean FAA

Anonymous No. 15991112

>>15991108
QI thrusterbros... Its time to THROOOOOST

Anonymous No. 15991113

>>15990250
All these are for-profit companies, responsible to their investors. They aren't given investment money to "innovate", they're given money to create a viable product ASAP, and the best way to do that is to follow the trodden path of the industry leader (SpaceX).

If you want to see innovative projects, look at CASC and CASIC. Those large SOEs can afford to take on risky unproven projects, because they are not strictly for-profit companies, and a project delay or failure won't cause those companies to go under.

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Anonymous No. 15991114

>>15991109
not for long

Anonymous No. 15991116

>>15991053
I don't believe in voting (higher voter turnout legitimates the process and a single vote will never affect a national election) and I don't like either party, but I will vote for anything that isn't a Democrat at this point, even if it's meaningless

Anonymous No. 15991119

>>15990158
If I don't care about survival, landing, or dying in a horrible explosion, what is the best way to make a rocket to get into space? I do kinda wanna survive at least until I get out of the earths atmosphere but after that I don't care about suffocating or whatever happens to humans in the vacuum of space.

Anonymous No. 15991121

>>15991116
Don't care about your logic, still gonna vote

Anonymous No. 15991122

>>15991119
Probably hybrid solids. Hypergolic monoprops would give you better performance, but no one will let you have them.
https://youtu.be/iwku5Alsi04
I'm pretty sure this guy was just a lunatic and on a flat-earth grift. He built a neat rocket, died though.

Anonymous No. 15991123

>>15991114
Good luck transporting humans with that kek

Anonymous No. 15991124

>>15991121
[_] Reading the post before replying
[X] Not reading the post before replying

Anonymous No. 15991132

>>15991123
Why so sarcastic?

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Anonymous No. 15991153

>>15990639
sweet, seems like they are progressing
I wasn't very optimistic about them after bigelow folded and with dreamchaser taking so fucking long, but maybe they actually have a chance to send something up
going to compete with starship-class steel cylinders, I wonder which is going to win
you could make a pretty big space if you packed this into one of the starship-class cylinders and then expanded that into 3x the diameter or whatever the current expansion ratio is
but then you have in orbit welding competing with this as well, maybe both have a niche

Anonymous No. 15991155

>>15991124
>>>/[X]/

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>>15991153

Anonymous No. 15991158

>>15991132
he is blind to the cost reduction such a launch system could offer.

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Anonymous No. 15991160

>>15991157
harder than steel lol

Anonymous No. 15991167

>>15991160
>4 layers for micro-meteorites
I wonder if its bullet proof

Anonymous No. 15991173

>>15990291
Cargo won't require a pressure vessel or life support systems, I'd imagine. Also the QC requirements are lower

Anonymous No. 15991176

>>15991160
so many gay layers instead of good old STEEL

Anonymous No. 15991179

>>15990639
Holy shit bezos is destroying the competition

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Anonymous No. 15991194

>304L steel is used for tanks in LNG vessels

Anonymous No. 15991203

not feeling good/hopefull about Barry 1 anymore desu

Anonymous No. 15991217

>>15990610
The only suitable place would be Earth-Moon L1 and even then you'd be spending a lot of fuel making constant course adjustments as L1 is too small to be considered stable, especially for something as large as a station/depot.

Gateway is already planning on using the L2 point in it's NRHO to minimize fuel usage.

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Anonymous No. 15991220

What has happened to them

Anonymous No. 15991225

>>15991220
I don't think they're launching any more payloads anon.

Anonymous No. 15991234

>>15991157
Just noticed SLS on the wall, what the fuck

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Anonymous No. 15991245

>>15990640
>>15991008
They feel tremendous shame, it's basically equal to white guilt. It's why BO and apparently Sierra space will forever be held back compared to companies who believe in manifest destiny

Anonymous No. 15991246

NASA confirms a "no earlier than mid-February" launch of Intuitive Machines' IM-1 lander mission on a Falcon 0 from KSC's LC-39A. Interestingly, NASA is also planning a mid-February launch of the Crew-8 mission to the ISS on a Falcon 9 from LC-39A…

Anonymous No. 15991247

>>15991245
Godamn that goes hard, AI art is art, fuck, this made me feel things

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Anonymous No. 15991251

Status update? Are QI thrusters a go?

Anonymous No. 15991255

>>15991251
>>15991203

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Anonymous No. 15991265

>Current Project manager of Long March 2F (Shenzhou launcher)
>Also chief designer of Long March 9
I guess they really have some Starbase employee's computer hacked and are just copy-pasting the latest Starship plan for CZ-9 if she can do both jobs at the same time.

Anonymous No. 15991269

>>15990639
>burst at 75 PSI
https://www.sierraspace.com/newsroom/press-releases/sierra-space-advances-its-revolutionary-commercial-space-station-technology/
>The full-scale unit in this test reached 77 psi before it burst, which well exceeds (+27%) NASA’s recommended level of 60.8 psi (maximum operating pressure of 15.2 psi multiplied by a safety factor of four).
Why does wikipedia, citing the Denver gazette, have this?
>Sierra Space’s product, called a LIFE habitat (Large Integrated Flexible Environment), successfully completed its second sub-scale ultimate burst pressure test Nov. 15 that achieved a 204 psi burst pressure rate as announced on Tuesday. The first successful test was in July, which reached a maximum burst pressure rate of 192 psi. For reference, the safety requirement is 182.4 psi.

Anonymous No. 15991273

>>15991269
>sub-scale
>>15991269
>full-scale

Anonymous No. 15991275

>>15990709
Species 1&2

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Anonymous No. 15991276

SpaceX is Israel's space program

Mars will be new Israel

Anonymous No. 15991277

The new narrative is about "collecting a solid baseline of orbital data" before switching on the IVO Quantum Drive

uh ok, why not just switch it on and when the apogee reaches fucking GEO we'll have some solid data on if it works or not, I smell a grift I swear

Anonymous No. 15991279

>>15990177
Which meme engine?

Anonymous No. 15991281

>>15991245
>sun in front of big planet
>planet in front of clouds
>three planets right next to each other
>reflections off dirt
what's the first thing that would go catastrophically wrong here?
tidal forces destroying everything? direct collisions?

Anonymous No. 15991284

>>15991276
How come he and trump wear the tiny hat?
They aren't jews so why wear the hat?

Anonymous No. 15991286

>>15991053
Dropping loaded tanker starships on DC until they comply is the obvious solution.

Anonymous No. 15991288

>>15991284
He's 1/69999999 jewish so he gets to wear the hat

Anonymous No. 15991290

>>15991284
humiliation ritual

Anonymous No. 15991291

>>15990187
Why not both?
Not everyone is going to be able to afford mind uploading or want to do it even if they can, many people will not be comfortable with ego death.
> what use do grassy parks have for immortal machines who can forever wander the fields of virtual elysium?
Novelty, hanging out with embodied friends/family.

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Anonymous No. 15991292

>>15991284
Here's what they want you to believe.

Anonymous No. 15991295

>>15991281
i think it's subosed to be figurative

Anonymous No. 15991298

>>15991119
Spin launch
the safest propellant is no propellant.

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Anonymous No. 15991304

>>15991292
I will never put on a gay-ass little yid lid, fuck directly off

Anonymous No. 15991307

>>15991300
>sun-driven global warming
This is extremely dangerous to our democracy

Anonymous No. 15991310

>15991300
Not spaceflight

Anonymous No. 15991314

>>15991310
What do you think lives in space?

Hello??

Anonymous No. 15991320

>>15991314
Space Whales

Anonymous No. 15991323

>>15991300
Not spaceflight kill yourself sciencenigger this is an engineer general.

Anonymous No. 15991329

>>15991284
bending the knee

Anonymous No. 15991331

>>15991276
well he wouldn't be this rich if he didn't was anti Jewish would he

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Anonymous No. 15991340

>>15991336
is this the Lockheed martin UFO??

Anonymous No. 15991342

>>15991277
its pretty clear its bullshit at this point
or are they pivoting that it will produce thrust but too little to stop orbital decay? lol

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Anonymous No. 15991344

>>15991320
true

Anonymous No. 15991347

>>15991344
fat nigger

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Anonymous No. 15991355

>>15991279
the Queer Impulse engine

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>>15991281
It would be a disaster of HULLO proportions.

Astranon No. 15991368

>>15991245
Astra is the same way. The execs actually believed in staying in LEO indefinitely despite the best use of electric propulsion being interplanetary. All internal suggestions to the contrary were shot down.

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Anonymous No. 15991369

>>15991234
It's the next 100 years, anon, deal with it.

Anonymous No. 15991376

>>15991368
DIE NAMENIGGER DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

Anonymous No. 15991396

>>15990187
Mind uploading drives you insane if you're not a psychopath. The necessary experiential fidelity to keep a person (let alone trillions of them) from going nuts is too compute-intensive compared to just being able to see and interact with the real world. There will be fully-digital people, but they'll have been monsters to begin with or the hardware they run on will be hideously expensive to produce and power.
The true way forward is quasi-wetware interchangeable brains/bodies that people spend most of their time in to avoid Matrix Madness.

Anonymous No. 15991407

>>15991396
yeah it's way cheaper to run on compatible hardware. IRL. switching bodies in an instant will be a mindfuck

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Anonymous No. 15991417

https://spacenews.com/redwire-to-provide-components-for-blue-ring-transfer-vehicle/
> Redwire announced Jan. 22 that it won a contract from Blue Origin to provide four of its Roll-Out Solar Array (ROSA) systems, along with cameras and power distribution units. The companies did not disclose the value of the contract or when Redwire will deliver the components.

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>>15990752
"It's realistic" was literally part of that movie's marketing strategy. If not for that, nobody would say it was realistic.

pic related is unironically a better space movie

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Anonymous No. 15991424

https://spacenews.com/japans-moon-lander-forced-to-power-down-but-may-yet-be-revived/
> There remains the possibility of the spacecraft being reactivated later in the lunar day. SLIM’s solar cells are facing west, according to telemetry data. This attitude means the cells are not receiving sunlight and cannot generate electricity to power the spacecraft.
>SLIM could receive sunlight and generate power as the sun’s position in the sky changes. The SLIM team is preparing for the recovery of the spacecraft in this event.

Anonymous No. 15991426

>>15990515
You can't aerobrake in the moon. No atmosphere...

Anonymous No. 15991427

>>15991424
> JAXA said it will hold a press conference Jan. 25 (12:00 a.m. Eastern (0500 UTC). The event could reveal if the landing achieved its full success according to mission criteria of a high-precision landing with an accuracy of 100 meters or better. The agency may also present any images received from SLIM or its rovers.

Anonymous No. 15991428

>>15991426
Lunar magnetic field

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Anonymous No. 15991429

https://europeanspaceflight.com/cnes-led-consortium-begins-development-of-atomic-accelerometers/
> The Cold Atom Rubidium Interferometer in Orbit for Quantum Accelerometry (CARIOQA) initiative aims to develop the first atomic accelerometer for space, which will offer even more precise measurements of Earth’s gravitational forces.
> The initiative hopes to launch the first satellite carrying an atomic accelerometer by 2030. The project has, however, only progressed into Phase A development. This initial phase of the project’s development involves feasibility studies and will conclude with a preliminary design for the mission.

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>>15991424
it will be like this

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https://europeanspaceflight.com/french-launch-startup-latitude-closes-30m-series-b/
> Zephyr is a two-stage rocket that is designed to deploy payloads of up to 100 kilograms into low Earth orbit. The company has, however, recently announced that it is already working on an upgraded version of the vehicle that will be capable of doubling its initial payload capacity. The maiden flight of Zephyr is expected to be launched in 2025, with the first flight of the upgraded variant targeted for 2028.

Anonymous No. 15991435

>>15991429
>>15991432
it's over

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>>15991431

Anonymous No. 15991438

>>15991437
>>15991431
LOL

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https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/nasa-loses-and-then-recovers-contact-with-its-historic-mars-helicopter/
> Over the weekend the helicopter's flight team began reviewing the data from the helicopter to better understand why the unexpected communications dropout occurred during Flight 72. It's unclear what they will find, but there have been some health concerns recently as the helicopter approaches three years of service.
> On the vehicle's 71st flight about two weeks ago, the helicopter was supposed to traverse a long distance of nearly 1,200 feet (358 meters), reaching an altitude of 40 feet (12 meters) and spending nearly 125 seconds airborne. NASA had sought to reposition the helicopter for future flights to survey new areas of the Martian surface. However, during that flight Ingenuity made an unplanned early landing.

starting to break down I guess

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Anonymous No. 15991440

Nice video about the Germain surface-to-air Taifun (Typhoon) rocket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOtPFMKfp8

highlights:
>unguided, spin stabalized
>liquid fueled
>hypergolic: RFNA and Vinyl Ester
>nested propellant tanks, one inside the other
>pressure fed
>propellant tanks were only pressurized when the rocket was fires
>cordite charge was used to pressurize the propellant tanks
>burst discs instead of valves for sending propellants to the combustion chamber

Anonymous No. 15991443

>>15991439
ffs stop posting pictures of muffins!!

>unplanned early landing
did it actually land or are they being euphemistic?

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>>15990608
https://spacenews.com/sierra-space-tests-full-scale-inflatable-module/
> LIFE is designed to fit within a five-meter payload fairing at launch and then inflate once in orbit. When fully expanded, the module will have a volume of 300 cubic meters, about one third the habitable volume of the International Space Station. Sierra Space has proposed a larger version of LIFE, designed to fit into a seven-meter payload fairing, with a volume of 1,400 cubic meters.
> LIFE is intended to be one of Sierra Space’s contributions to Orbital Reef, the commercial space station being developed with Blue Origin and others. Sierra Space, though, has proposed launching a LIFE module as a “Pathfinder” space station before Orbital Reef. The company received an unfunded NASA Space Act Agreement in June to give it access to NASA expertise and data to support work on Pathfinder as well as the crewed version of its Dream Chaser spaceplane.
> The company said in September is expected to start work on flight hardware for LIFE in 24 to 36 months.
so when is this going to launch? sometimes in 2030? If they are just going to *start* working on flight hardware in 2-3 years, then its going to take some years to build it etc

Anonymous No. 15991445

>>15991443
sounds like an euphemism, but whether you land roughly or fall is kind of subjective

Anonymous No. 15991453

>>15991444
did they test it at real temps? that should matter innit?

Anonymous No. 15991455

>>15991453 me
also how does it deal in time with temperature stresses?

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Anonymous No. 15991457

>>15990639

Anonymous No. 15991459

>>15991457
The opposite of oceangate.

Anonymous No. 15991460

>>15991459
kek

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Anonymous No. 15991461

>>15991459
lel my mind immediately went there too

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 15991468

literally true.

Anonymous No. 15991472

>>15991453
>>15991455
I don't think this was the full system, just the pressure wrap with metal plates simulating windows or airlocks
I guess temperature and other shit is taken into account with the burst pressure being 5x the operating pressure, a lot of margin

Anonymous No. 15991473

>>15991457
>>15991459
>>15991461
You'd definitely be alive long enough to realize what was happening though.

Anonymous No. 15991476

>>15991468
incoming SDS (SpaceX Derangement Syndrome)

Anonymous No. 15991477

>>15991468
what video?

Anonymous No. 15991478

>>15991468
>>15991476
>better companies
>that spacex, literally the best most capable rocket organization, let alone corporation, in the entire world
Reddit/twitter truly do induce brain damage.

Anonymous No. 15991479

>>15991477
probably that CSS video that was posted yesterday.

Anonymous No. 15991480

>>15991457
so basically it's not really 1/3 the volume of ISS because there's a giant column taking up all the room on the inside. Cool when space companies lie like that!

Anonymous No. 15991483

>>15991480
idk about life specifically but in general with designs like this the inside of the central structure is usable space too

Anonymous No. 15991485

>>15991220
Last I heard they pulled a "funding secured", a few months ago. Who knows now.

Anonymous No. 15991486

>>15991480
the central column is presumably filled with useful equipment. The ISS is packed with equipment too.

Anonymous No. 15991490

>>15991220
even though these bozos support BLM I still hope they make it. rockets are more important than anything else.

Anonymous No. 15991499

>>15991490
We got enough Chinese rockets

Anonymous No. 15991500

>>15991499
I oppose literally everything the chicoms do, except for launching rockets and dropping rocket stages onto themselves.

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Anonymous No. 15991508

>>15990177
EUH what are these fucking diggers doing in the cat theater?

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Anonymous No. 15991512

>>15990180
>>15990187
That's not why and no you won't. What's amazing is that all futurist nonsense art shows shit that is literally the opposite of how every government has been run for the past 2,000 years. You turned Earth into a desert for unsustainable bullshit but you're going to turn fucking SPACE into a sustainable garden? How many levels of NPC does someone have to be on to believe this horseshit? I made this image about a decade ago and it's like I made it today.

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Anonymous No. 15991514

Reverse psychology on space Twitter?

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Anonymous No. 15991515

>>15991424
頑張ってSLIM-くん

Anonymous No. 15991517

>>15991424
the japanese may not so innovative. they built a broken craft

Anonymous No. 15991519

>>15990765
>>15990776
whats with foust and shitty ai generated art for his images?

Anonymous No. 15991521

>>15991514
Retard its OF niggeresses on Twitter shilling their whore outs with bots.

Anonymous No. 15991523

>>15991521
i dont quite think that's the case

Anonymous No. 15991525

>find some chink talking about the Everyday astronaut award to landspace

their answer:
>they shouldn't go there, because once they go there it will look like they have accepted certain standards
>Imagine in the future, some domestic commercial space company will receive some unremarkable european award, they will have to go to *Europe*, And that's not good

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15991540

>>15991512
Realistically (and if it even happens) space colonization beyond the initial stages will be exploitative beyond belief, imagine the degree of control a government/corporatocracy can hold over its citizens when air and water must be derived technologically. I think we can't help but be hopeful when talking about space colonization, and that's good because if we accept that it'll be tyranny it'll be worse in the future.

Anonymous No. 15991563

So why the fuck are the Chinese so good at landing on the moon? They've had a 100% success rate so far with three missions. What's their secret?

Anonymous No. 15991565

>>15991563
Reasonable goals, effectively spent funding, and some chicom hackers broke into JPL's servers and stole a lot of shit

Anonymous No. 15991567

>>15991563
Expendable pilots

Anonymous No. 15991570

>>15991565
>some chicom hackers broke into JPL's servers and stole a lot of shit
That is not true.

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Anonymous No. 15991577

God browsing the Russian 4chan space board is depressing

Anonymous No. 15991580

>>15991570
https://threatwarrior.com/breach-nasa-jet-propulsion-laboratory/
>Few organizations have the technical capability and as much computing experience as NASA, but even they have suffered a series of cyberattacks that penetrated their systems. In January 2009, a cyberattacker breached JPL and stole 22 gigabytes of data (including data protected under International Traffic in Arms Regulations and Export Administration Regulations), transferring the data to an IP address in China.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/chinese-hackers-took-over-nasas-jet-propulsion-lab-inspector-general-reveals
>Chinese hackers gained control over NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in November [2012], which could have allowed them delete sensitive files, add user accounts to mission-critical systems, upload hacking tools, and more -- all at a central repository of U.S. space technology, according to a report released Wednesday afternoon by the Office of the Inspector General.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-chinese-espionage-indictment-20181220-story.html
>Two hackers associated with China’s main security service were charged with stealing troves of sensitive digital data from the Navy, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and dozens of U.S. companies as well as American allies overseas, the Justice Department announced Thursday [Dec 2018] in its latest indictment aimed at suspected Chinese economic and military espionage.

Not only is it true it happened more than once

Anonymous No. 15991585

>>15991580
Christ. Why don’t we do this shit to them?

Anonymous No. 15991587

>>15991580
What meaningful lunar soft landing data would JPL even have though

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Anonymous No. 15991589

>>15991577
>your empire collapses
>can't into space anymore
>invade the country that did most of your old empire's space shit
>fail miserably
К Э К

Anonymous No. 15991592

>>15991577
Man. I get sad thinking about Wernher and how he had to see the decline of NASA after Apollo got canned, and this is a whole other level of tragedy.

Anonymous No. 15991595

>>15991585
Someone who's second place at best doesn't have anything worth stealing. If they did we'd be more likely to just stuxnet it than steal it anyway.

Anonymous No. 15991597

>>15991587
just conceed

Anonymous No. 15991598

>>15990400
kek

Anonymous No. 15991599

>>15991589
>your empire collapses
true
>can't into space anymore
false
>invade the country that did most of your old empire's space shit
false
>fail miserably
false

Anonymous No. 15991605

>>15991585
Chinese don't innovate, they just steal from anyone with a pulse and scam the rest

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Anonymous No. 15991607

>>15990730
It's the part of a spacecraft with the harshest service conditions that also moves, whose failure usually leads to other cascading failures. Vales serve as the "logic" so to speak in any complex piping system.

Anonymous No. 15991609

>>15991607
they need to invent something new then and replace valves already

Anonymous No. 15991610

>>15991609
then you just trade valve failure for even more pump failures

Anonymous No. 15991614

>>15991589
There was another 225 airframe in a warehouse somewhere over there, I hope it gets used to resurrect the old bird.

Anonymous No. 15991617

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAUCwsLcAmo

Anonymous No. 15991619

>>15991617
yeah I'm not watching a 45 minute interview with two people I hate the voices of. just tell me what space stuff they talk about.
they don't, do they?

Anonymous No. 15991628

>>15991443
kek

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Anonymous No. 15991630

>>15991609
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_valve

Anonymous No. 15991631

>>15991512
I still praise Elon and ignore your posts.
Elon said it. I believe it. That settles it.

Anonymous No. 15991634

>>15991630
it's a pretty shitty valve
in particular, you can't turn it on and off, and the difference between open and closed is not great

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Anonymous No. 15991637

Look like Blue Origin is many years ahead of SpaceX.

Anonymous No. 15991640

>>15991637
*below orbit

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Anonymous No. 15991641

>>15991637
oh noes
SpaceX btfo

Anonymous No. 15991648

>>15991617
TLDL?

Anonymous No. 15991652

>>15990776
It's pretty clear he's arguing against government interference in private spaceflight because of the chilling effect it would have on the industry.
>lest those nations who would enslave the Solar System seize the high ground and rule it for the next thousand years.
Ironically, if space exploration and settlement became a matter of national defense, congress would be giving billions to anyone who could jump particularly high, not to mention NTP, space rated modular reactors, ISRU tech, closed loop life support, ect

Anonymous No. 15991659

>>15991652
>Ironically, if space exploration and settlement became a matter of national defense, congress would be giving billions to anyone who could jump particularly high, not to mention NTP, space rated modular reactors, ISRU tech, closed loop life support, ect
Not at billions yet, but those things are in the millions and they're doing it for DARPA rather than NASA.

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Anonymous No. 15991664

>>15990844
Once starship is up a running, SpaceX should send a few of their welders and iron workers up to try out different construction techniques. I think they should try building out something like picrel around their depot. They could scrap early model tankers on orbit instead of the ground and repurpose those tons of stainless steel into a monolithic structure.
>I wanna see oil field trash shipbreaking in orbit and ripping cigs in the hab

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Anonymous No. 15991665

>>15990859
From ebay

Anonymous No. 15991667

>>15991580
Source of the news: American government

Anonymous No. 15991669

>>15991034
>oldspace survives long enough to mill out 3000km3 solid titanium cylinder to make a tube
Fuck

Anonymous No. 15991670

One interesting point I came across with respect to the cargo versions of the landers on the moon is that if ISRU is done on the moon to split water to get hydrogen and oxygen, starship could still take advantage of that as most of the weight of the propellants is oxygen
they could just take extra methane, decreasing the payload a bit but overall probably getting the cost of mass landed on the moon down then load up on oxygen for the return trip
you would have a bunch of extra hydrogen left though

Anonymous No. 15991671

>>15991665
I'm sorry but if it doesn't say aerospace grade somewhere on the package procurement says we can't use it. do you perhaps have milled 6061T6 orthogrid cables?

Anonymous No. 15991673

>>15991112
I AM trusting the plan.
>2 more weeks

Anonymous No. 15991675

>>15991114
Dead end on earth, but would be great for the lunar surface. I'd like to see the math for a TEI yeet from the moon

Anonymous No. 15991677

>>15991194
316SSissys, o-our response?

Anonymous No. 15991691

>>15991670
Use more electricity to crack aluminum oxides for more free oxygen and then store the hydrogen as aluminum hydride.

Anonymous No. 15991715

i cant take you people any longer

Anonymous No. 15991716

>>15991715
Im getting pretty sick of (You) earthers ruining our general you know

Anonymous No. 15991717

>>15991507
E!

Anonymous No. 15991728

>nasa mission commanders were found to secretly have locks so they can lockdown a spacecraft if a crew member made them feel uncomfortable
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/solving-a-nasa-mystery-why-did-space-shuttle-commanders-lock-the-hatch/

DEI everyone

Anonymous No. 15991735

>>15991631
this but uniconic

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Anonymous No. 15991747

Fucking elon bloddy bastard really going for youtubes throat https://wccftech.com/mrbeast-first-video-on-x-nets-him-a-cool-quarter-of-a-million-dollars/

Space eggs streams will never come back to youtube it seems. Do i really make an twooter account? It is filled with chuds after all

Anonymous No. 15991756

>>15991747
yes, lots of cool spaceflight discussion happening there

Anonymous No. 15991761

>Why have I never heard of the 2013 Chinese moon mission (self.space)
>Im in my second year of aerospace engineering, and have been a plane and rocket lover since I was a boy, but I’ve never heard of this mission, and the first thing I hear about it was that it was fake, so I started scrolling google, YouTube and Reddit trying to find info with little prevail.
>I see basic reports but very few details. I did find a tiktok video talking about it being fake but only talking about the mission video

the state of zoomer spacefags is alarming
>relies on tiktok for information
>has never heard of wikipedia
>doesnt know about high profile missions that are only a few years old
the future is bleak

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Anonymous No. 15991764

>>15991761
https://old.reddit.com/r/space/comments/19dgxy9/why_have_i_never_heard_of_the_2013_chinese_moon/

Anonymous No. 15991767

>>15991761
I guess they don't know how to google

Anonymous No. 15991771

>>15991715
take us where?

Anonymous No. 15991774

>>15991761
>>15991764
fuck off, retard

Anonymous No. 15991786

>>15991774
I was gonna tell you to kys, but I see that one of these niggers you replied to linked r*ddit so youre alright in my book.
>>15991764
Nobody will hear you scream in the vacuum of space. The day of the airlock fast approaches, and you will be taking a spacewalk without an EVA.

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Anonymous No. 15991787

>>15991747
Xcom is based and anyone who posts a nitter link on /sfg/ outs themselves as a discordian redditor tranny. And that's a fact jack, they have to go back

Anonymous No. 15991789

https://www.youtube.com/live/50l2bGkMM60
>slingshot round the sun
>sail on solar wind
>reach proxima b in my lifetime
What would it take to sccomplish this with a human size payload? (I am 5'11, 180 lbs)

Anonymous No. 15991793

>>15991789
you cant go to proxima but you can go to pluto.

Anonymous No. 15991797

>>15991789
You're overweight, fatty. Lose some pounds.

Anonymous No. 15991823

>>15991797
when I was lifting I weighed 195. what do you recommend?

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Anonymous No. 15991833

Bros...he's gone mad...

Anonymous No. 15991835

>>15991833
is he drinking the downstream blood of ukranian and russian youth? neocons are insane

Anonymous No. 15991840

>>15991833
goodbye cruel world

Anonymous No. 15991850

>>15991823
Cut down to 145. You're literally carrying an extra 40 lb of fat

Anonymous No. 15991857

>>15991850
That extra weight keeps my muscles conditioned

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Anonymous No. 15991882

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1749472476403212361

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/21/space-isnt-the-final-frontier/

long article by the weinersmiths who wrote an anti-space colonization book recently

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>>15991882
https://twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1749620168282488877

31 tweet long response

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Anonymous No. 15991895

>>15991884
31 tweets and he never addresses the underlying point, that (((Weinersmith))) hates spacers because his tribe can't siphon wealth off the goyim if all the most productive ones leave.

Anonymous No. 15991906

>>15991895
Yeah he basically says "the Wienerkikes are right about the old west, it was racist and terrible, but actually we have other reasons for going to space"

Anonymous No. 15991935

>>15991906
He literally says those criticisms about white supremacist are false and rejects them by saying it's more about giving people more hope. Lol

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Anonymous No. 15991941

>>15991882
>>15991895
GOODBYE KIKES

Anonymous No. 15991945

>>15991882
Have you listened to their podcast appearences? Theyre absolutely insufferable people, and insulting. The man is an obvious cuck too

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Anonymous No. 15991948

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/boeings-manufacturing-ethical-lapses-go-back-decades/

Boing!

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Anonymous No. 15991950

>>15991882
Luv the Frontier Hypothesis.
Don't care if modern historians have abandoned it. Still love it.
>The features of this unique American culture included democracy, egalitarianism, uninterest in bourgeois or high culture, and an ever-present potential for violence. "American democracy was born of no theorist's dream; it was not carried in the Susan Constant to Virginia, nor in the Mayflower to Plymouth. It came out of the American forest, and it gained new strength each time it touched a new frontier," wrote Turner.[1]

Anonymous No. 15991954

>>15991950
I suspect much like the utter defeat of (((postwar archaeology))) by genetics and potchads we will see academia guiltily pick this back up once Americans on Mars prove it correct.

Anonymous No. 15991956

>>15991950
why does that dumbfucker Metzger reject this again? is he in favor of the fall of our nation? why is he ashamed in himself, of his country?

Anonymous No. 15991964

>>15991956
(((Metzger)))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metzger

Anonymous No. 15991965

>>15991964
I need to take a moment

Anonymous No. 15991995

I where this necklace to remember the israeli hostages

Anonymous No. 15992005

>>15990765
Pack it up and move it to China, the west is too corrupt.

Anonymous No. 15992007

>>15991276
>>15991284
when elon and trump do this, i close my eyes and pretend it never happened

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Anonymous No. 15992046

>Wang grew desperate. So he said something that chilled the nerves of those in Houston watching over the safety of the crew and the Shuttle mission.

>"Hey, if you guys don't give me a chance to repair my instrument, I'm not going back," Wang said.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/solving-a-nasa-mystery-why-did-space-shuttle-commanders-lock-the-hatch/

Anonymous No. 15992064

>>15992046
Good morning, Ganymede poster!
>>15991728

Anonymous No. 15992071

>>15992046
It was at that moment, nasa knew...HE FUCKED UP
:) xD

Anonymous No. 15992076

To be honest I would rather board a Chinese spaceship to Mars than an American one.

Anonymous No. 15992078

>>15990427
>They only beat USSR in moon landing and Mars Rover.
USSR never even attempted to send a probe beyond the inner solar system. USA has been sending probes far and wide since the 60's.

Anonymous No. 15992080

>>15992076
Chinese technology is astounding. Wow factor

Anonymous No. 15992084

>>15991882
i dont want to give these people a platform or let them into my mind

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Anonymous No. 15992099

lol, they sent instant noodles to space

Anonymous No. 15992112

>>15992046
They're doubling down on diversity hires, this type of incident will only happen more often. What I don't get is why he thought a failed experiment would bring more shame onto his family than killing the entire crew.

Anonymous No. 15992129

>>15992112
The wild thing is NASA didnt fire him for it

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Anonymous No. 15992135

>space force to increase in personnel size by 10% this year
soon

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>>15992135
>space force to increase in personnel size by 10%
In volume, if they can't find enough trannies to meet their goal

Anonymous No. 15992143

>>15992135
i really wanna know what hardened spacecraft will look like. these railgunships just look too fragile, esp with bell nozzles

Anonymous No. 15992145

>>15992135
Only 10%?

Anonymous No. 15992149

>>15992135
US is the only country that bombed another country using nuclear bomb.
It is also the only country that officially militarized the space.
And yet it is talking about peace in the world and in the space all the time...

Anonymous No. 15992154

>>15992149
China is amazing

Anonymous No. 15992156

>>15992154
And you are passive aggressive. No one said anything about China.

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Anonymous No. 15992160

>>15992156
This you?

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Anonymous No. 15992163

>Von Neumann was a child prodigy who at six years old could divide two eight-digit numbers in his head and converse in Ancient Greek.
I know I'm late but this pissed me off enough that I couldn't let it slide. All these "muh superior computer brain" faggots are a bunch of retards. I especially hate the fucking self-titled Rationalists.

Anonymous No. 15992165

>>15991637
>not for flight

Anonymous No. 15992169

>>15992163
Computers can divide numbers much greater than 8 digits.

Anonymous No. 15992171

>>15992163
it's not hard to extrapolate current computer capabilities

Anonymous No. 15992175

>>15991585
And do what, steal our own blueprints back from them? It's like in any game with technology and spies; if you eclipse someone completely in tech you just can't steal from them anymore

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15992176

>>15992143
its pointless to harden a spacecraft, it would require way too much material. Even modern tanks arent resitant to simple shape charges, let alone aeroplanes. Spacecraft will use active protection systems kind of like the trophy system on american tanks but much longer range. they will use stealth as their primary defense. I think hydrogen will be the fuel of choice for military spacecraft due to the clean burn, and they may inject a third chemical into the mixture to reduce the signature of a burn even further

Anonymous No. 15992185

>>15992169
Yes, and? The brain is monumentally more efficient and what most believe to be its limitations don't come anywhere close to what it is truly capable of.
>>15992171
It's easy to extrapolate anything.

Anonymous No. 15992187

>>15992185
lol

Anonymous No. 15992203

>>15991670
Bring ultra heavy fuel oil instead of methane, then hydrogenate it into methane in situ lol

In all seriousness though, just doing oxygen ISRU lets you swap 300 tonnes of oxygen for useful payload (stuff that can be loaded in LEO, like liquid payloads eg ammonia, resins, other chemicals). The added cost of figuring out methane ISRU on the Moon may not be worth the relatively small payload/performance bump for a looong time

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Anonymous No. 15992216

I think instead of developing individual bespoke vehicles for serious logistical and industrial purposes in space, we should instead develop what is effectively giant metal versions of lego technic parts and let people build their own vehicles and machines in situ as required. later once we know better what we need and what works, we can develop those bespoke vehicles with very low risk of wasting all that time and effort on lemons.

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 15992217

One liner announcement from CNSA's weibo account: Chang'e 8 lunar mission delayed from 2027 to 2029
No explanations given.

Anonymous No. 15992218

>>15992217
Aw man that's a shame, I like China's work in space

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15992220

>>15992217
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Anonymous No. 15992222

>>15992217
Oh well. Budget problem most likely.

Anonymous No. 15992223

>>15992220
Whats wrong with China?

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15992224

>>15992223
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Anonymous No. 15992227

>>15990999
Russia bombed it into the dirt, they were providing rockets to the Americans for a while

Anonymous No. 15992229

>>15990187
>mind uploading
No such thing.

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Anonymous No. 15992239

Anyone noticed how India is going ape shit this year with space flights?
>3 unmanned demos of their manned spacecraft
>venus
>mars
>manned launch next year

Anonymous No. 15992246

>>15992239
This wiki is smoking
We won't do any of those

Anonymous No. 15992260

>>15992216
Modular components would be cool, but idk if real life works like erector sets all the time. I like the idea of temporary machines though, make a backhoe and as soon as you're done using it disassemble it and use the parts to make something else you need.

Anonymous No. 15992266

>>15992163
>The ultimate thinking artifact permitted by the laws of physics is apparently FIVE TIMES more optimal than that, but has only 25% more benefit
What an oddly specific claim. There is zero supporting evidence for those numbers

Other than that, there's plenty of people who can multiply 6-digit numbers unaided and as for "thinking artifacts" that can do that, there's billions (aka. computers)

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Anonymous No. 15992270

https://twitter.com/stoke_space/status/1749799116136484948
Stoke Space mocking full flow staged combustion, an engine cycle that was developed by both the USSR and USA and abandoned only to be used again decades later

Anonymous No. 15992278

>>15992246
it does say NET 2024, which is a diplomatic way of saying they have no idea. "no earlier than 2024" doesnt even make sense since it already is 2024. how could it be earlier?

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Anonymous No. 15992286

Jesus how do these guys move so fast?

https://x.com/stoke_space/status/1749799116136484948?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

Anonymous No. 15992287

>>15992260
don't get me wrong, the lego vehicles would definitely be bulkier heavier and more complex than normal, I'm just saying I think the benefit of completely modular construction would outweigh those drawbacks in the early days. I mean how much dirt does the first Moon excavator really need to move every day?

Anonymous No. 15992289

>>15992286
they aren't held back by boomers or eggheads

Anonymous No. 15992294

>>15992287
You'll only need a bulldozer for some of the time, the rest of the time it'll just be sitting there gathering Martian dust under a tarp awaiting the next use. If you can get modular components and simply disassemble the 'dozer when not in use and put those parts into another machine that IS in current use, well that'd be pretty damned efficient.

Anonymous No. 15992311

>>15992286
raptor began component testing in 2014, preburner testing 2015. almost 10 years ago

Anonymous No. 15992314

>>15991057
What's all that black stuff, then?

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Anonymous No. 15992321

>>15992266
>What an oddly specific claim. There is zero supporting evidence for those numbers
That's the point. That's the point he's making.
>and as for "thinking artifacts" that can do that, there's billions
THAT'S THE POINT

Anonymous No. 15992322

humans are not conscious

Anonymous No. 15992330

do rocket engine controllers have PID loops and the potential to suffer from I term runaway

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15992334

>>15992311
liar.

Anonymous No. 15992336

uhh specifically I mean PID loops for thrust generation through controlling turbopump valves or whatever, I'm not talking about the rocket's avionics/ stabilization PID

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Anonymous No. 15992339

>>15992334
page 3

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15992347

>>15992339
ok well what the fuck does this have to do with what we were talking about?

Anonymous No. 15992372

>>15992163
The brain is not a computer, thats a midwit analogy, yes I'm calling Musk and Yud midwits, they are the kings of psuedointellectual midwits

https://aeon.co/essays/your-brain-does-not-process-information-and-it-is-not-a-computer

Anonymous No. 15992373

>>15992347
raptor is also a full flow staged combustion engine

Anonymous No. 15992375

>>15992347
It means that this is the first level demonstration of an FFSC power head in the earliest phases of hardware testing. This is just the initial step in a multi-year hardware development process to realize a full engine.

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Anonymous No. 15992383

https://twitter.com/Robotbeat/status/1749820674846126244
> But that won’t matter if they can get high reuse out of it. 100-1000 flights and even these high raw material costs become inconsequential.

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>>15992373
>>15992375
ok so now you admit its not raptor i will accept your apology.

Anonymous No. 15992389

>Furthermore, it’s crucial to consider why the National Academies haven’t yet adopted lessons learned from the rapidly evolving commercial space industry. New space companies have demonstrated the effectiveness of rapidly designing and testing inexpensive prototypes in ground and space tests to find weaknesses early on. With new, lower-cost rockets featuring larger payload fairings, we have the opportunity to design systems without tight weight, dimensional and power constraints that previously limited experimentation. For instance, Pete Worden, a former director of NASA’s Ames Research Center in California, is a member of a team developing a 6-meter telescope incorporating heavier but relatively low-cost mirror technology for only hundreds of millions of dollars.

https://aerospaceamerica.aiaa.org/departments/bolder-than-webb-youll-never-know-unless-you-go/

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Anonymous No. 15992393

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/on-its-first-mission-astrobotic-missed-the-moon-but-learned-a-lot/

so it was nasa being cucks and astrobotic probably not wanting to piss them off

Anonymous No. 15992394

>>15992393
NASA can't even have the Right Stuff for a robotic mission, bleak

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Anonymous No. 15992399

https://twitter.com/rfa_space/status/1749791940504084903

video, promising if they are copying SpaceX

Anonymous No. 15992400

>>15992388
what are you apoligizing for?

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Anonymous No. 15992401

>>15992399
https://www.rfa.space/rfa-one/

3 stage, first stage reusable microlauncher, so more like electron tier?

Anonymous No. 15992411

>>15992399
This reads like cope

Anonymous No. 15992413

>>15992393
> "Maybe we could get an impact, maybe we would have missed the Moon, maybe we could have, maybe, had enough fuel to get into lunar orbit," Thornton said. "It’s really the hypothetical world at that point because we just don’t really know what would have happened next. But that was part of the challenge and part of the risks that we were weighing, 'What’s the responsible way to act here?'"

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15992416

>>15992401
propulsive landing or parameme?

Anonymous No. 15992417

>>15992413
What does responsible even mean? it's a dead robot crashing into a dead rock or else stuck in empty ass dead space for eternity. responsible?

Anonymous No. 15992420

>>15992411
whats to cope about? both steel, aluminum and carbon fibre have their pros and cons

Anonymous No. 15992424

>>15992420
i make no judgement of the material merits, only that the xeet is copey. it's too playful, verging on nervous laughter. i sense shame

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15992425

>>15992420
youre a retard.

Anonymous No. 15992428

>>15992388
Nobody ever claimed it was Raptor. Raptor is a reference point, because it is currently the only operational FFSC engine with flight history in existence.

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Anonymous No. 15992436

>>15992428
A single flight of Starship gives Raptor as many engine-flights as ELEVEN shuttle launches gave to the RS-25. It's going to be the most flown staged combustion engine in history by next year.

Anonymous No. 15992441

>>15991833
Having been baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, Zubrin is now Christian.

Anonymous No. 15992447

>>15992424
its a corporate xeet made by an intern that has to keep within certain predefined boundaries.

Anonymous No. 15992448

>>15992425
not an argument.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 15992450

>>15992448
ok spic.

Anonymous No. 15992452

>>15992135
At 10% growth per year it would take Space Force 50 years to match the current number of active and reserve Army personnel. More importantly it would 24 years to match the Marines or 40 years to match the Navy.

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Anonymous No. 15992454

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Anonymous No. 15992466

>>15992450
projection. still not an argument

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Anonymous No. 15992490

https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1749678998806724650

Anonymous No. 15992492

>>15992417
It means not pissing off NASA, because their administrators have axes to grind and will use politicians to make your life hell. Everyone believes that NASA isn't political, when NASA is nothing BUT politics.

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Anonymous No. 15992526

>tim ellis vocal fry

Anonymous No. 15992541

>>15992518
>>15992520
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>>15992524
>>15992525
KINOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous No. 15992543

>>15992541
s o v l

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Anonymous No. 15992548

>>15992523
weebs yet again ruining everything

Anonymous No. 15992555

>>15992548
What, "I'm not Japanese but thanks JAXA (workers/engineers?"
There's a kanji in there I don't know though.

Anonymous No. 15992582

>>15992555
皆さん (minnasan, everyone)

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Anonymous No. 15992588

>>15992582
なるほど

Anonymous No. 15992612

Staging
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Anonymous No. 15992717

>>15991617
>video starts with ben shapiro whining about the holocaust
turned it off within seconds, I'm not in the mood to tolerate such kvetching